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I need a new preworkout supp....stat!

Chaos Inside

I got the goods.

45 minutes preworkout.
Chaos- 2 heaping scoops
GPLC- 5 grams

Im telling you this stack is legit. I had another great workout again tonight.

My buddy and I worked out squats with the gym owner tonight. I was a little nervous to be honest. Be when it was my turn I got it done. :)

I managed to get a legit 315 for 3 sets of 5. Not alot of weight by any means, but for me, this is good.

I personally want to thank Andrew for the tip on GPLC. Reps your way brah!
 
Kristofer68SS said:
I got the goods.

45 minutes preworkout.
Chaos- 2 heaping scoops
GPLC- 5 grams

Im telling you this stack is legit. I had another great workout again tonight.

My buddy and I worked out squats with the gym owner tonight. I was a little nervous to be honest. Be when it was my turn I got it done. :)

I managed to get a legit 315 for 3 sets of 5. Not alot of weight by any means, but for me, this is good.

I personally want to thank Andrew for the tip on GPLC. Reps your way brah!
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315 ia LEGIT bro, your welcome bro, I knows my shat LOL!
 
Go with Ragnarok Can not miss with price and serving--- I love the None Caff Rag just great.... Product... I have used these Pre workout in order for the beset to the rest!

1. Rag
2Assault
3.jack 3D


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simmons said:
I have two bottles of OEP sitting here, taunting me. I'm waiting a few more weeks before I use them.
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Yeah I've got two bottles on the way mate, part of a shredding stack I'm doing ;) Just try to keep away from the ECA where possible because it's pretty nasty coming off it.
 
Sticking by Jack3d and 1 swagger.

Looks like a lot of support for Jack3d here.

Why do they keep it behind the counter at Vitamin Shoppe?

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thewolf49 said:
what is AS-GT?

and I'm thinking about getting some OEP so I might stack that and Ultima b4 workouts for the first month...
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It's the new AS....Anadraulic State GT: Speical Edition! :D

You guys are going to be blown away, I promise! Compare the ingredients to any other pre-workout, and the others won't even come close!

Price is going to be unbelievable, too! :woohoo:
 
Small package, maybe easy to steal or more likely it is considered a "hardcore" supplement. It is in that section at my local GNC, I laugh since they used to sell PH and had them all willy nilly on a regular shelf.

AtomStrange said:
Sticking by Jack3d and 1 swagger.

Looks like a lot of support for Jack3d here.

Why do they keep it behind the counter at Vitamin Shoppe?

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bostonboy said:
IMO, despite the claims, ULTIMA tastes horrible. Im not sure, if they tried, they could get it to taste worse. It tastes so bad, I cant take it long enough to see if it lives up the hype. I have about 3 services out it...would give it away if I could.
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I agree the taste is tough to handle however I like the product so much that I have been experimenting with different ways of masking the aftertaste. So far I like adding a banana and a package of Crystal Light. Adding more water also helps but doesn't completely get rid of the after taste. Strangly enough after several months I seem to be getting use to the taste.
 
BBB said:
I agree the taste is tough to handle however I like the product so much that I have been experimenting with different ways of masking the aftertaste. So far I like adding a banana and a package of Crystal Light. Adding more water also helps but doesn't completely get rid of the after taste. Strangly enough after several months I seem to be getting use to the taste.
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My Ultima has been sold. However, I think I have moved on to bigger and better. Just placed an order for Purus Labs Muscle Marinade. From what I can see, this will put Ultima to shame, and more importantly to me, taste better. I can't wait to log it. If anyone wants more info, hit me up. FYI, I am not associated with Purus Labs in any way...just searching for the best pre-workout supp like the rest of you.
 
I just bought Jack3d and No-synthesize for pre workout and size on for intra.
I am now thinking about Jack3d pre, size on intra, and synthesize prior to bed but worried the vanadium will drop blood sugar too low at night.
 
bostonboy said:
My Ultima has been sold. However, I think I have moved on to bigger and better. Just placed an order for Purus Labs Muscle Marinade. From what I can see, this will put Ultima to shame, and more importantly to me, taste better. I can't wait to log it. If anyone wants more info, hit me up. FYI, I am not associated with Purus Labs in any way...just searching for the best pre-workout supp like the rest of you.
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Thanks Bostonboy!

I suggest everyone take a look at Muscle Marinade and give it a try. Our forum has the long White Paper write up and label for all interested. Will be available most places this week.
 
bostonboy said:
My Ultima has been sold. However, I think I have moved on to bigger and better. Just placed an order for Purus Labs Muscle Marinade. From what I can see, this will put Ultima to shame, and more importantly to me, taste better. I can't wait to log it. If anyone wants more info, hit me up. FYI, I am not associated with Purus Labs in any way...just searching for the best pre-workout supp like the rest of you.
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Why do you think Purus MM will put Ultima to shame? Its just creatine, caffeine, geranium, EAAs, vitamins, electrolytes, and beta alanine. Nothing special from what I can see. You might want to give PreMax a try if you don't like Ultima.
 
BBB you read the White Paoer at all? Ut explains what's in it and what's not as well as why.

Simple and proven does not mean ineffectuve. Everything we used is backed by human studies and 1 serving (1 scoop) has full actives in it used in studies and shown to illicit positive effects.
 
IMO, Ultima did little to give me a pre-workout or during workout boost. I admit, I only tried it for about 4 days, but noticed nothing other then the very bad taste. I did not find the expensive forms of creatine it contained to be any more effective them mono or other cheltate based creatines I have tried in the past. Ultima has offered no studies to back the claims, other then the patents that may exist on the products it contains. I in no way doubt the product contains with it says, I doubt the effectiveness of the products it contains. As for MM, I also believe the produce with contain what it says. However, I have found in the past, and still do now, that caffeine, electrolytes and bata alanine to be effect pre and during workout supplements. There is also the issue of cost, where Ultima is about 20 dollars more a month.
 
bostonboy said:
My Ultima has been sold. However, I think I have moved on to bigger and better. Just placed an order for Purus Labs Muscle Marinade. From what I can see, this will put Ultima to shame, and more importantly to me, taste better. I can't wait to log it. If anyone wants more info, hit me up. FYI, I am not associated with Purus Labs in any way...just searching for the best pre-workout supp like the rest of you.
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Have you used MST Rag or MP ASsault?
 
PreMax for sure, it pricy but definatly worth every penny. It has 11g of protein, Amino acids, and GPLC (which is the only thing proven to increase nitric oxide, and it buffers out latic acid) What more could you want.
 
I'm actually thinking of turning to Jack3d myself, along with purple wraath.

But do you think a post WO like Green Mag is overkill with the creatine in jack3d??????????
 
drvinnybombat said:
I'm actually thinking of turning to Jack3d myself, along with purple wraath.

But do you think a post WO like Green Mag is overkill with the creatine in jack3d??????????
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I can see how things spill over from pre work supps to post workout supps, but I really don't want to get off topic. I am still a big fan of Afterglow for post workout...at the moment. The big problem with pre workout creatine is that it is not as effective as when taken post workout, or at least that is what the majority of the medical research I have read indicates. From what I can gather, exercise increases anabolic hormones. Taking in carbs, protein or EAA following exercise accelerates glycogen resynthesis and promotes protein synthesis. Since insulin levels enhance creatine uptake, taking creatine after exercise with a car and protein tends to be the most effective way to get the creatine into your muscle. This is another reason I switched from Ultima to MM
 
bostonboy said:
I appreciate your suggestions, and no, I have not tried them. I will look into it, thanx.

I really wish I knew how to quote more than one reply is the same response.:damnit1: Replying one at a time kinda sucks!
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Multi quote(to the right of the quote butoon), then on the final quote hit the quote button.

wha?
 
kingdong said:
I hear people talking about ephedrine helping you breath. Do you guys consider this a healthy sup?
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used cautiously and correctly it's a useful supp... but its more of a medication when talking about helping you breath, not a "healthy" supp IMO
 
kingdong said:
I hear people talking about ephedrine helping you breath. Do you guys consider this a healthy sup?[/QUOT

All the medical documentation I have read indicates it can not be taken safely with other stims that include caffeine, cough and cold products, and some weight loss supps. Doing so substantially increases risk of stroke, heart attack, seizure, and mental disorders. The other concern is that ephedrine should be limited to 8 mg per dose, and 24 mg in 24 hours. While most supplement companies are reputable, im not sure I trust the all the labels on the bottles. To each their own, this one is not worth the risk to me (and I could never give up Dunkin Donuts coffee in the morning)
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The bottom line is that many companies have come up with some awesome workout formulations. I've spent two months trying different ones and I'm amazed at the quality that these companies put out on the market. For ME, with my own money, I think that Ragnorok Ultra is my favorite of the bunch. It also comes in caffeine free version, and is very inexpensive, especially picked up during one of Nutras sales (for 22.95 after discounts). Jacked 3D is also a nice supp, just more of any energy based product. Ultima has a great ingredient profile but the flavor is not pleasant and needs to be stacked if you have to work out after a long day at work due to lacking a stim (not a knock on the product). Most underrated workout formula, especially for cardio, has to be Focus XT. I'm sure there are other products out there but these are the ones I have tried recently. I think Premax also is promising and is next on my list to try.
 
Anadraulic State, Premax, or Vasocharge get my votes.
 
I just ordered some OEP and Ultima for a nice preworkout stack. I WILL be trying Ragnarok and the others in the future. This thread is on fire..
 
My absolute favorite combo as far as the "pump" is concerned is Ultima with a full serving of GPLC. Awsome pumps. My favorite as far as taste and oveall performance is concerned is one scoop of PreMax and one scoop of RagNOrok (two scoops of Rag give me the runs). Also provides decent pumps.
 
BBB said:
My absolute favorite combo as far as the "pump" is concerned is Ultima with a full serving of GPLC. Awsome pumps. My favorite as far as taste and oveall performance is concerned is one scoop of PreMax and one scoop of RagNOrok (two scoops of Rag give me the runs). Also provides decent pumps.
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have you tried hemodraulix? i haven't tried gplc yet but 3-6 hemodraulix bumps up the hell out of rag and smash.
 
I have not but I am reluctant to use anything that contains AA. It is well documented that arachidonic acid (AA) and its metabolites are intimately linked to cancer biology. From what I have read reviews on Hemodraulix are mixed at best. Moreover, I don't see anything in this formula that is special or not contained in numerous other products. Remember supplement companies don't care about your health they just want to sell their products. Because these companies will not self regulate the FDA will eventually control the supplement industry.
 
BBB said:
I have not but I am reluctant to use anything that contains AA. It is well documented that arachidonic acid (AA) and its metabolites are intimately linked to cancer biology. From what I have read reviews on Hemodraulix are mixed at best. Moreover, I don't see anything in this formula that is special or not contained in numerous other products. Remember supplement companies don't care about your health they just want to sell their products. Because these companies will not self regulate the FDA will eventually control the supplement industry.
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with my aching bones i could never do an xfactor cycle, but hemodraulix seems to contain just enough aa to get the job done. i don't know about mixed reviews but it is by far my favorite axis lab product. i have been thru at least 3 bottles so far.
 
Have you tried RagNOrok? It seems to work pretty well for me, however I can only take one scoop or it get the trots big time. Therefore mixing it with one scoop PreMax works great.
 
I have come the conclusion the only way to get what I want, is to make my own home brew. I can add quality products, buy in bulk, and adjust to meet my needs. Any suggestions? I saw there is a similar threat with some suggestions.
 
BBB said:
Have you tried RagNOrok? It seems to work pretty well for me, however I can only take one scoop or it get the trots big time. Therefore mixing it with one scoop PreMax works great.
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working my way though a jug of rag right now, good stuff. 1 scoop is plenty for me too-going to try adding 3 caps hemodraulix to it. just about finished with my jug of somnidren-very good stuff pre cardio with stim-'very good'.
 
shock therapy is a fav of mine also cant beat the price and kick it gives you. ill report back on AS.. just got it friday so this will be my first workout.. anyone else excited??? ....oh :nervous: jk haha
 
TheAmazing1 said:
shock therapy is a fav of mine also cant beat the price and kick it gives you. ill report back on AS.. just got it friday so this will be my first workout.. anyone else excited??? ....oh :nervous: jk haha
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Shock was allways good to me back in the day also pump was great but I moved on to the rag, assault jack3d
 
To lose fat, ephedrine if you can get your hands on it.. Jack 3d to me is really good if your a runner, once you start you wont stop.. Its pretty dang good.. The others unfortunately I havent tried.. I was thinking about trying white flood.
 
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