How to "pulse" orals

DR.D said:
For example, low dose ATD is still a good stack with Havoc even though it's already an anti-e, while 6-Oxo is not such a good stack with Havoc.
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Why do you feel the ATD is a better stack with Epi/Havoc than the 6-oxo?:think:
 
Hey Dr D

Do you have any Experiance with Uveitis? or Iritis? I recently experimented with small dose T3 and clen. WIth good results, but then my I got (third time in my life) Uveitis. In may this year I just started to use some T4 and I had a flare up, but I cant find any information to say there is a link?

What i did find is that on half a tab of T3 my bowel movements were much improved to the point of regular, when I moved up to 25mcg they become sporatic again. Could there be a reason for this?

Each time I have had Iritis i had lifted weights the day before, twice dead lifts, this time some C&P/BOR super sets (10x3) then some chest pressing, so it was a fairly heavy session for me, and after a few days of poor sleep and nutrition. The doctors don't think there is any link though.

I'll be pulsing Dbol as soon as I am confident it wont effect my condition :-)
 
ok. Short of any last second advice, my log is on this site here and my pre days have started, first HAVOC dose will be 11/23/08

...well I guess i cant post link. it is in supplement-review-logs/109598-jeffh3c-havoc-pulse


p.s.

Can I not up my workout length and add some sets in realistically now with some "assistance"? Would 1.5 hours be too much. I know it normally would and I stick with 45 min, but would it help with the HAVOC? Thanks
 
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Hey Dr d,

I am kinda curious as to pulsing while training for a sport. I want venture into some kind of prohormone compound this winter and have been doing on research on epistane and h-drol a lot. I dont want to go hardcore my first time out and was thinking of a 4-5 week low dose pulse to see how my body reacts. My training program really isn't a weekly deal though and i dont have any particular lift on any given day. I lift about five days a week and run about three times a week.
I was wondering how would i pulse if im running and lifting in the same days
 
djremix said:
Why is it a good stack?

would it work as well with superdrol(i think sd and havoc are both progestin based right?)

and lastly, i was debating adding a low dose pulse of DS's rebound XT to go with SD(20mg /day) and primordial's dermacrine topical for 2 to 3 weeks.
is that wise? considering likely estrogen increases from dermacrine and probable test decrease from SD
im just not sure that 2 or 3 weeks justifies the AI?

thanks D!
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Very androgenic compounds, even those that do not aromatize, will still benefit from ATD. I have seen many guys state than even on tren, 25mg of ATD at night kept them from shutting down so fast. Why? Because androgen shuts down LH with even greater intrinsic tendency than estrogen, and ATD is a mild anti-androgen too. So, a low dose of ATD with SD would be fine (12.5mg/day) but it will work much better with something more androgenic, like Epi. Don't take too much AI with SD, something like raloxifene or resveratrol would be a better choice.
 
MuscleBound1337 said:
Dr. D
If I do this and I dose MTW what dose would you suggest I start and end at? I'm 190 6'1 Never used superdrol before,ran havoc, MTRN, hdrol, PP cycles tho.

Also, On the 4 off days would you suggest taking anything.. maybe a little clomid?
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I'd say start at 20, but don't be surprised if you need to go to 30-40 after a few weeks. Always start low and work up.

Still have mixed feelings about chronic Clomid. If you do it, just dose low (25mg/day) or 50mg EOD or something. Clomid and Nolva are even rougher on the liver than most orals! One big dose of it once a week might be good too, it's got a super long half-live.
 
jeffh3c said:
Dr D,

If you would take a look at my revised cycle above. I started 4 days pre cycle therapy today and will start introducing HAVOC on Sunday with my workout. I appreciate the feedback. I have done my homework, so I think all should be okay, except that maybe I should look at reversatrol vs Vitrex and Novedex XT for the true Post cycle therapy. Would these (Novedex XT and Vitrex ) still be good for off days though? I guess I need to order the Reversatrol SOON! I took it easy on my pulse due to not having SERM onhand, so hopefully all goes well. Also, earlier in this thread you said something about logging cycle would be appreciated - do you want that in this thread??
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Yes, Res sounds good. Or, you can take 1 NXT just on w/o nights, or just on non-w/o morning or something like that. It's good to experiment a little right in the beginning so you get it nailed by the end of the cycle.

I don't really like Vitrex. I wouldn't recommend any man take it. It raises LH but that's a trick because it actually lowers test and inhibits testicular function! Religious men used to use it in the old days to kill their sex drive, so they couldn't be tempted by woman. That doesn't sound like fun to me! (lol) I love Jesus, but I might wanna have more kids one day too. :) I have used Vitrex in the past to see if it was true what they say, and it didn't have any effect on me either way really, so I see no point in risking sides if it doesn't work. Some guys like it though.

I'd say your protocol looks smart and well planned, and the Res or a little NXT would be a good choice my friend. :thumbsup:

Probably post in a separate thread, but leave us a link to follow so we can track you. Have a fun cycle and great gains!
 
GotTest said:
Why do you feel the ATD is a better stack with Epi/Havoc than the 6-oxo?:think:
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6-Oxo is way more androgenic than ATD, so it would stack better with a compound like SD, which has very low androgeny. See what I mean? ATD stacks with Epi/Havoc much better, so that androgenic sides are not compounded but instead balanced.

If in doubt, use 6-Br or formestane. Those will pretty much stack well with anything IME.
 
DR.D said:
I'd say start at 20, but don't be surprised if you need to go to 30-40 after a few weeks. Always start low and work up.

Still have mixed feelings about chronic Clomid. If you do it, just dose low (25mg/day) or 50mg EOD or something. Clomid and Nolva are even rougher on the liver than most orals! One big dose of it once a week might be good too, it's got a super long half-live.
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Interestingly enough, I may have figured out the nolva/sd "rebound gyno" issue. I was reading that they had discovered the genetic sequence that makes nolva not work in about 25% women where it is used to treat breast cancer. So its possible that in some similar # of men the same happens - effectively no actual SERM effect...
 
EasyEJL said:
Interestingly enough, I may have figured out the nolva/sd "rebound gyno" issue. I was reading that they had discovered the genetic sequence that makes nolva not work in about 25% women where it is used to treat breast cancer. So its possible that in some similar # of men the same happens - effectively no actual SERM effect...
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Very interesting theory Easy...would explain at least some of the delayed gyno occurences.
 
London28 said:
Hey Dr D

Do you have any Experiance with Uveitis? or Iritis? I recently experimented with small dose T3 and clen. WIth good results, but then my I got (third time in my life) Uveitis. In may this year I just started to use some T4 and I had a flare up, but I cant find any information to say there is a link?

What i did find is that on half a tab of T3 my bowel movements were much improved to the point of regular, when I moved up to 25mcg they become sporatic again. Could there be a reason for this?

Each time I have had Iritis i had lifted weights the day before, twice dead lifts, this time some C&P/BOR super sets (10x3) then some chest pressing, so it was a fairly heavy session for me, and after a few days of poor sleep and nutrition. The doctors don't think there is any link though.

I'll be pulsing Dbol as soon as I am confident it wont effect my condition :-)
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Thyroid hormones can exacerbate pre-existing metabolic dysfunctions, or it can clear them up depending on the nature of the disorder. It's hard to say. There does seem to often be a connection with bowel issues and uveitis though, probably some immune reaction to something you're chronically yet intermittently exposed to, an allergen or toxin. It gets complicated and a full medical evaluation is generally required to establish a cause and effect relationship. I'd say just go with what works and avoid things that cause flare-ups, until you can find an association. If anything, a low dosed androgen may help I'd think.
 
pavb10 said:
Hey Dr d,

I am kinda curious as to pulsing while training for a sport. I want venture into some kind of prohormone compound this winter and have been doing on research on epistane and h-drol a lot. I dont want to go hardcore my first time out and was thinking of a 4-5 week low dose pulse to see how my body reacts. My training program really isn't a weekly deal though and i dont have any particular lift on any given day. I lift about five days a week and run about three times a week.
I was wondering how would i pulse if im running and lifting in the same days
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You might try dosing on your heaviest days, or EOD or something like that, but not more than 4x/wk. Anything will work for you I think, being your first time. I had dramatic improvements my first time pulsing at low doses. Winter is a great time to get the jump on spring track season!
 
EasyEJL said:
Interestingly enough, I may have figured out the nolva/sd "rebound gyno" issue. I was reading that they had discovered the genetic sequence that makes nolva not work in about 25% women where it is used to treat breast cancer. So its possible that in some similar # of men the same happens - effectively no actual SERM effect...
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I've considered that as well Easy. It would explain the high % of 'rebound gyno' complains better than any other theory I've run across. 25% sounds about right, and with Nolva being the SERM of choice these days it would make perfect sense. I am still not certain, but my gut tells me to avoid SD/Nolva combos if possible. There's potential PR upregulation issues to consider as well. SD/Clomid works just fine.
 
DR.D said:
Very androgenic compounds, even those that do not aromatize, will still benefit from ATD. I have seen many guys state than even on tren, 25mg of ATD at night kept them from shutting down so fast. Why? Because androgen shuts down LH with even greater intrinsic tendency than estrogen, and ATD is a mild anti-androgen too. So, a low dose of ATD with SD would be fine (12.5mg/day) but it will work much better with something more androgenic, like Epi. Don't take too much AI with SD, something like raloxifene or resveratrol would be a better choice.
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Thanks D!
I saw in another thread you recommend 6-oxo as better for running with SD. so happens i have a bottle around.
what would be a good dose schedule for a 2-3 week run of SD and PP's dermacrine.

as for reservatrol, im running dermacrine which contains it and dhea at normal dosing. to give a little boost to the dry gains of SD. im guessing 6-oxo is even more recommneded in this case?
im also running PP's toco-8 hoping that this combo will help with prolonging the onset of shutdown.

Thanks again
 
Thanks for the help dr d. What kind of PCT should i take if im low dosing EOD epistane for four weeks? I can get my hands on some nolva. I really just wana make my first time as safe and side effect free as possible.
 
DR.D said:
Thyroid hormones can exacerbate pre-existing metabolic dysfunctions, or it can clear them up depending on the nature of the disorder. It's hard to say. There does seem to often be a connection with bowel issues and uveitis though, probably some immune reaction to something you're chronically yet intermittently exposed to, an allergen or toxin. It gets complicated and a full medical evaluation is generally required to establish a cause and effect relationship. I'd say just go with what works and avoid things that cause flare-ups, until you can find an association. If anything, a low dosed androgen may help I'd think.
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Thanks Dr D.

I enjoyed and ddifeinately noticed a difference with the clen/T3. I guess The T3 may have indirectly effected the uveitis. I remember the doctor mentioning, that bowel problems can be related to uveitis,, and the T3 did seem to effect bowle movements (for the better)

I had blood drawn for various tests, I didn't mention the small dose T3 I had taken, but I think I might. I just don't want them saying - 2thers your problem, don't mess about with medical drugs" I'd prefer them to find the answer. We will see.

Although i was told there is no known link, the 3 times I have had flare up i had done sme heavy lifting (for me) the day before!

Thanks for your thoughts.
 
djremix said:
Thanks D!
I saw in another thread you recommend 6-oxo as better for running with SD. so happens i have a bottle around.
what would be a good dose schedule for a 2-3 week run of SD and PP's dermacrine.

as for reservatrol, im running dermacrine which contains it and dhea at normal dosing. to give a little boost to the dry gains of SD. im guessing 6-oxo is even more recommneded in this case?
im also running PP's toco-8 hoping that this combo will help with prolonging the onset of shutdown.

Thanks again
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Hard to say. DHEA is pretty androgenic with me, but it doesn't seem to stack too bad with low dose (100-200mg) 6-Oxo. Higher doses of 6-Oxo may be a totally different story though. Also, the res might buffer that combo a little so that you don't have to worry about it unless you just get crazy with something.

Just experiment a little. The only way to really know is to try a few different combos. Sometimes the best ones are the ones you stumble across just trying to use up left overs!
 
pavb10 said:
Thanks for the help dr d. What kind of PCT should i take if im low dosing EOD epistane for four weeks? I can get my hands on some nolva. I really just wana make my first time as safe and side effect free as possible.
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I have heard that Nolva PCTs do work with Epi, but I would not assume you'll need it necessarily. Avoid Nolva if at all possible. Epi is a SERM in it's own right, so a 1 month pulse shouldn't get you in much trouble, but it never hurts to be prepared just in case.
 
London28 said:
... Although i was told there is no known link, the 3 times I have had flare up i had done sme heavy lifting (for me) the day before! ...
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We must become our own healers. I am convinced that no doc and no diagnostic tool can beat a man's intuition into his own condition. If you are of sound mind, know your body, and you think there's a link with the flare ups, then there probably is! Put your trust in your own common sense over diagnostic results that don't yield answers. I have confidence that you will find the answers one day, because you impress me as a seeker of truth. I've been down this road myself, so I'm always glad to help somebody else if I can. :)
 
DR.D said:
We must become our own healers. I am convinced that no doc and no diagnostic tool can beat a man's intuition into his own condition. If you are of sound mind, know your body, and you think there's a link with the flare ups, then there probably is! Put your trust in your own common sense over diagnostic results that don't yield answers. I have confidence that you will find the answers one day, because you impress me as a seeker of truth. I've been down this road myself, so I'm always glad to help somebody else if I can. :)
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Very noble and very much apreciated. I have just got back on the road to getting into the shape I want to be, and I turn 30 next year, and want to be leaner, stronger (look better nekkid) than ever! or ill be depressed lol and I will not let this third bout of Uveitis stop me.

I have also suffered gout a few times sice the age of 23, which also dented prgress in recent years. I'll push on and keep trying new things, if one door closes, i'll find another to open.
 
ok. Question: I researched my pulse intensely and I am happy with set-up so far. Unexpected variable though: I am now getting assignents that put me out of town with access to only "holiday inn" style gyms and they often allow for little or no lifting oprotunities. Should I modify my pulse and not dose the 3 days I am gone and do an extra day the following week or dose as scheduled (this will end up having me dose ona day I am not lifting and NOT dosing on a day that I am). I appreciate the qwuick response as I am against a tieframe on tis one, I found out today that I leave tomorow!! I am just staying my pulse and log.
 
jeffh3c said:
ok. Question: I researched my pulse intensely and I am happy with set-up so far. Unexpected variable though: I am now getting assignents that put me out of town with access to only "holiday inn" style gyms and they often allow for little or no lifting oprotunities. Should I modify my pulse and not dose the 3 days I am gone and do an extra day the following week or dose as scheduled (this will end up having me dose ona day I am not lifting and NOT dosing on a day that I am). I appreciate the qwuick response as I am against a tieframe on tis one, I found out today that I leave tomorow!! I am just staying my pulse and log.
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If you have the money you can find a gym that does the 5 bucks a day deal and do it that way. just a thought
 
hman85 said:
If you have the money you can find a gym that does the 5 bucks a day deal and do it that way. just a thought
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Good thought, but with what I do the day usually ends up putting me in hotel ~9-10 and up at 5am so little opprotunity. This might work some nights, but not all. What if lifting is just clearly not going to happen :sad:

Thoughts?

Thanks.
 
Just experiment a little. The only way to really know is to try a few different combos.
This is so true. It is good to research and ask alot of questions but sometimes people need to go and try alot of these different pulsing principles. You having nothing to loose as they are less stressful on your body for one and you are using alot less of the substances per cycle, the cost is lower. Plus every single persons body make up is different and reacts differently to different substances. What works for me might not work as well for others. It the same with different workout programs some work some dont some are so so. For me i tried a 7 week pulse of p-plex which worked out fantastically. Next i tried a 2 weeks on 2 off 2 on wit SD then plex to finish off bottles i had was more so so for me. In saying that i still am going to try this again but slightly changing the dosages. In the future i plan to try 2 days on 5 off and another m w f pulse with SD. I can do all this for less than $100. How can i loose?
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jeffh3c said:
Good thought, but with what I do the day usually ends up putting me in hotel ~9-10 and up at 5am so little opprotunity. This might work some nights, but not all. What if lifting is just clearly not going to happen :sad:

Thoughts?

Thanks.
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All i can say about that one is when you know that you might not be able to workout for a day or 2 the throw some full body workouts or full upper or lower workouts that might help you out. Alot of gyms are open pretty late too. so I guess it will just depend. Hope that helps ya out!
 
hman85 said:
All i can say about that one is when you know that you might not be able to workout for a day or 2 the throw some full body workouts or full upper or lower workouts that might help you out. Alot of gyms are open pretty late too. so I guess it will just depend. Hope that helps ya out!
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So if I definately cannot make it though, should I dose as scheduled or take the extra day off on the pulse. I di dmy research, I just didnt anticipate this schedule f up.
 
jeffh3c said:
So if I definately cannot make it though, should I dose as scheduled or take the extra day off on the pulse. I di dmy research, I just didnt anticipate this schedule f up.
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No I wouldn't If you can't train just call it an off day, no need to use it up for non training.
 
Dr. D... I'm planning on starting a stack next week using the pulse method and was wondering if you could take a look at it and tell me what you think!


Supplements are as follows:

IDS Ripped Tabs: Pulsed 3 times weekly (I'm not really sure of what the mg's are on these guys, so I'm expressing the amount in pills)
Week1: (1, 2, 3)
Week2: (3, 3, 3)
Week3: (4, 4, 4)
Week4: (4, 4, 4)

Gaspari Novedex XT: 2 Pills Daily, All 4 Weeks

DHEA: Taken On Off Days
Weeks 1 & 2: 25mgs
Weeks 3 & 4: 50mgs


Also, if I was to decide to stretch this cycle to 6 weeks instead of 4, would anything need to be changed or any certain PCT added to the end?
 
LinZ said:
Dr. D... I'm planning on starting a stack next week using the pulse method and was wondering if you could take a look at it and tell me what you think!


Supplements are as follows:

IDS Ripped Tabs: Pulsed 3 times weekly (I'm not really sure of what the mg's are on these guys, so I'm expressing the amount in pills)
Week1: (1, 2, 3)
Week2: (3, 3, 3)
Week3: (4, 4, 4)
Week4: (4, 4, 4)

Gaspari Novedex XT: 2 Pills Daily, All 4 Weeks

DHEA: Taken On Off Days
Weeks 1 & 2: 25mgs
Weeks 3 & 4: 50mgs


Also, if I was to decide to stretch this cycle to 6 weeks instead of 4, would anything need to be changed or any certain PCT added to the end?
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Not sure what ripped tabs hve in them? And at 175- 6'1 I think you should just stick with the best supplement out there for a little longer-FOOOD
 
hman85 said:
If you have the money you can find a gym that does the 5 bucks a day deal and do it that way. just a thought
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Bring the money, but start off by saying you are interested in signing up and would like to try it out first ;)
 
jeffh3c said:
Good thought, but with what I do the day usually ends up putting me in hotel ~9-10 and up at 5am so little opprotunity. This might work some nights, but not all. What if lifting is just clearly not going to happen :sad:

Thoughts?

Thanks.
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A pair of dumbells and weight plates can be used anywhere.JMO
 
DR.D said:
Hard to say. DHEA is pretty androgenic with me, but it doesn't seem to stack too bad with low dose (100-200mg) 6-Oxo. Higher doses of 6-Oxo may be a totally different story though. Also, the res might buffer that combo a little so that you don't have to worry about it unless you just get crazy with something.

Just experiment a little. The only way to really know is to try a few different combos. Sometimes the best ones are the ones you stumble across just trying to use up left overs!
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cool i think ill go with the following

ill finish week one SD with half dosing dermacrine(7,8 benzo,rez,dhea)
week 2 and 3 : continue with SD at 20
start using dermacrine every other day at full dosing
start using 6-oxo at 100mg every other day at night(not same day as dermacrine)

week 4
asses suppression and decide to continue or not

for pct, ill be using clomid at 50mg/day for 1 week then finishing off 2 more weeks with PP's susteain alpha+toco 8
 
This is so true. It is good to research and ask alot of questions but sometimes people need to go and try alot of these different pulsing principles. You having nothing to loose as they are less stressful on your body for one and you are using alot less of the substances per cycle, the cost is lower. Plus every single persons body make up is different and reacts differently to different substances. What works for me might not work as well for others. It the same with different workout programs some work some dont some are so so. For me i tried a 7 week pulse of p-plex which worked out fantastically. Next i tried a 2 weeks on 2 off 2 on wit SD then plex to finish off bottles i had was more so so for me. In saying that i still am going to try this again but slightly changing the dosages. In the future i plan to try 2 days on 5 off and another m w f pulse with SD. I can do all this for less than $100. How can i loose?
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Bingo! You got it. This is the exact attitude it takes to figure out how to maximize pulsing.
 
What do you think about using the 1-T daily, then alternating 19-Nor and Cyclobolan eod for 4 weeks? Would that be an effective pulse-like stack? Androgens would be used every day but they would switch between the 19-nor and CB.
 
Knowbull said:
What do you think about using the 1-T daily, then alternating 19-Nor and Cyclobolan eod for 4 weeks? Would that be an effective pulse-like stack? Androgens would be used every day but they would switch between the 19-nor and CB.
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1T is androgenic...

And alternating products means that you would never have any off time, which is not pulsing.
 
Delita420 said:
1T is androgenic...

And alternating products means that you would never have any off time, which is not pulsing.
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Thanks, good point. I want to avoid any compounded androgenic sides and of course SD sides by alternating and using a low dose of the 1-T. Further comments?
 
Hey dr D,

For my epistane pulse i was thinking of doing this
WEEK 1 10, 10, 20
WEEK 2 20, 20, 20
WEEK 3 20, 20, 20
WEEK 4 20, 20 ,20
OFF DAYS 4-6 Mass Fx
DURING ENTIRE PULSE 600 mg Trione and 25 mg 6 bromo
PCS ON PULSE DAYS

The epistane doses would be on my hard lift days. What kind of PCT should i follow this up with and are all the doses and supplements the best they can be? I wana be safe considering i have some pubertal gyno and i wana avoid shutdown and libido loss cuz of my girl....
 
bassgod272 said:
If I were you bro, i'd just use a low dose of the 1-T everyday and pulse the cyclo by itself along with that. That should yield some nice gains for sure. I'm kind of doing the same thing, but using formestane everyday while pulsing epi. It's(formestane) far from 1-T, but it is a weak steroid/potent AI. It's going great so far.
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Im glad to hear your cycle is going well. Thanks for your comments, just getting a wide variety of opinions and ideas. I rarely run anything besides creatine. Im letting myself have a cycle this year and I want it to be a good one.
 
Hey Bassgod thanks for the help.

I dont wana go to high as for dosing on my first cycle. I may bump the the third week to 30mg but i really dont wana go over that. Is PCS the absolute best test booster or should i replace that with mass fx? And you think 6 bromo is more effective than trione? Also should i add in some kind of cortisal blocker and support supps? Thanks for all the help guys. Just wana make the first cycle as side effect free as possible.
 
pavb10 said:
Hey Bassgod thanks for the help.

I dont wana go to high as for dosing on my first cycle. I may bump the the third week to 30mg but i really dont wana go over that. Is PCS the absolute best test booster or should i replace that with mass fx? And you think 6 bromo is more effective than trione? Also should i add in some kind of cortisal blocker and support supps? Thanks for all the help guys. Just wana make the first cycle as side effect free as possible.
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Right now I think the best test booster is the TRS by PP, use that and you will have all your bases covered. To offset and minimize sides pre-load T8 and Endoamp for 10-14 days at full dose, then when you start, cut the doses in half, run it through the entire cycle and into PCT. I hope that helps.
 
Who and which one? It should be in this thread or you can go to the search button at the top of the page and type in any term you see here that you are interested in. Then find the right result that answers your question. It opens up a whole bunch of positive possibilities.
 
Sorry the previous question was ambiguous, I will restate my question.

I have managed to read through all of the posts here in this thread, spread over 91 pages (not in one setting of course)! The information was very useful and helped me figured out my own pulse program (theory/principle of use). I am, however, are confused as to the 'best' product to use in the following categories that Dr. D mentioned in post 1718:
'Best AIs for test boosting are: 6-Br > ATD > Form > 6-Oxo
Best cortisol antagonists mg/mg are: AET > 7-OH > 7-Oxo > DHEA'
I was wondering if that still holds true? The categories I am looking for are 1) test booster 2) AI 3) anti cortisol (there may be overlap in 1 & 2). And if there are better products out there can the good Dr. or someone recommend it?

I have assumed for a 6 wk Epistane pulse, 3x/wk. These product are intended for off days and pct (well if applicable, everyday for AI/test boosters). (You can see this is starting to get confusing ...)

Also, can you list the product's full name not just the chemical content. Because trying to locate these ingredients can be very confusing, especially with all the mixed/multi-function products out there.

thanks in advance!
 
Knowbull said:
Right now I think the best test booster is the TRS by PP, use that and you will have all your bases covered. To offset and minimize sides pre-load T8 and Endoamp for 10-14 days at full dose, then when you start, cut the doses in half, run it through the entire cycle and into PCT. I hope that helps.
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I don't know and can not find TRS, T8 and Endoamp.
 
I got over 5 pages of results when I typed endoamp into the search button. I wouldnt advise anyone to take ATD unless they werent better, less toxic alternatives like the transdermal resveratrol and tocotrienol, phosphatidylserine supplements, they are plant based and less likely to produce their own sides.
 
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