How to "pulse" orals

Downed a shake (25g whey 25 casein) and a bunch of rice and a granola bar... I have been short on my carbs the past two days so that might be it. Just down about 90 or so hopefully that'll help me refresh tonight. Also took 25 mg DHEA. Should/can I take DHEA everyday during this pulse? Im hitting all major groups twice a week (which I was before the pulse, and responding well to it) but I think it may have finally caught up to me. The increased weight and extra sets are taking a toll on me.
 
slacker said:
Downed a shake (25g whey 25 casein) and a bunch of rice and a granola bar... I have been short on my carbs the past two days so that might be it. Just down about 90 or so hopefully that'll help me refresh tonight. Also took 25 mg DHEA. Should/can I take DHEA everyday during this pulse? Im hitting all major groups twice a week (which I was before the pulse, and responding well to it) but I think it may have finally caught up to me. The increased weight and extra sets are taking a toll on me.
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definitely keep the carbs up while on superdrol and maybe switch up your routine. the middle of your pulse cycle is probably a bad time to find out your CNS needs some time to recharge but you can give it a little break by lightening up your training program a little. i would just train heavy on your pulse days and take the non pulse days off to recover.
 
pman said:
I've done a search on this but can't find a positive answer....do i take creatine on a pulse cycle or save it for post???
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I must say, I'm really not sure what this stuff is (and I think they want it that way, lol) but I have heard some positive feedback at least. I'm not sure if it's methylated or halogenated at the 17 position as the name suggests, but I doubt it is so it's probably relatively non-toxic at least. I have not used it myself so it's hard for me to advise with this one.

I like creatine pre and post w/o. Also, when doing a real PCT and sometimes when dieting.
 
sfearl1 said:
i just counted and have 84 3-ad pills in the bottle :think: and a full bottle of the original ax S.D. i was thinking maybe a six week superdrol pulse with the 3-ad extending two weeks after as a standalone for the anit-cortisol effects. which means i would be starting the 3-ad later into the pulse cycle. i'm up in the air on this though. what do you think my dosing protocol should be? i've run superdrol 3 times up to 30mg if that matters at all. should i run 3-ad on non workout days only?
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Yes, that sounds fine also. 30mg is perfect for an SD pulse IMO.
 
slacker said:
Downed a shake (25g whey 25 casein) and a bunch of rice and a granola bar... I have been short on my carbs the past two days so that might be it. Just down about 90 or so hopefully that'll help me refresh tonight. Also took 25 mg DHEA. Should/can I take DHEA everyday during this pulse? Im hitting all major groups twice a week (which I was before the pulse, and responding well to it) but I think it may have finally caught up to me. The increased weight and extra sets are taking a toll on me.
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I see 3 dehydrating factors: working in the heat, high protein/low carb, and the SD itself. It's not uncommon to lose a few lbs water the first wk of SD. I think you're getting dehydrated with the symptoms (nausea, headaches, malaise). Are you drinking enough fluids? Also, the daily DHEA is probably a good idea, I recommend it to help you balance out.
 
DR.D said:
Yes, that sounds fine also. 30mg is perfect for an superdrol pulse IMO.
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thanks for the responses Doc. much appreciated! so are you saying run the 3-ad everyday or eo? also, as a non pulse day booster do you have any objections to the original activate being used? as you can see this will be my first pulse. kinda feel like a newb again! still researching....
 
sfearl1 said:
thanks for the responses Doc. much appreciated! so are you saying run the 3-ad everyday or eo? also, as a non pulse day booster do you have any objections to the original activate being used? as you can see this will be my first pulse. kinda feel like a newb again! still researching....
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I would take 1 cap 3AD on w/o days and 2 caps on non-w/o days, as I outlined earlier. Then you'll have 2 wks worth left over to take 2 caps/d in wk7 and 1 cap/d in wk8 to finish off.

Activate is good stuff on or off cycle, but it really should be used daily to get the most of it I think. Just taking it on the off days will not give half the effects like one might think it would.
 
Obligatory - "Don't forget to add all your pulse results to the pulse results thread in my sig" post

Much Love,

Neoborn
 
DR.D said:
A lot of guys have been asking me to clarify my method on this cycling technique, so here's a good explanation if you're interested in trying this. It can generally be applied to any steroidal compound.


What is "pulse" cycling? Pulsing is a method of dosing a product designed to intentionally avoid potential long term side effects such as HPTA suppression and liver damage. This technique is usually applied as a means of toxicity control when potent corticoids are used on children requiring long term therapy. However, this method can be applied to anyone using any oral steroid with great success and significantly reduced side effects. With pulsing, the serious long term side effects of chronic oral treatment are avoided and short term side effect like acne and mineral retention are much milder that usual. This allows for higher doses to be used since the dosing is less frequent. For example, if you would normally take a product at 30 mg/day, that equals a total intake of 210 mg/week. While pulsing, you might typically take 40 mg on work out days only, 3 times per week. That only comes out to 120 mg/week total! This provides the needed benefits of the product at the most crucial times, which are just before and just after a work out, and offers a means of avoiding the suppression of endogenous steroid production one would expect on a standard, daily dosing cycle. In other words, you can often pulse a compound for 6-8 weeks before you realistically need to start thinking about a conventional post cycle therapy. After a 4 week pulsing cycle, post cycle therapy should not even be required in most cases!
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I was wondering.....one benefit for a pulse cycle is you may not have to do a PCT in most cases....has anyone done this?????
 
pman said:
I was wondering.....one benefit for a pulse cycle is you may not have to do a post cycle therapy in most cases....has anyone done this?????
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Haha, yep. Did it for 3 years straight! Pulsed in the summer and football season too, never did PCT the whole time. I am not suggesting this is fool-proof, when in doubt do a PCT! But, yes, PCT should not be required if done properly. I was very cautious in the beginning, using fairly low doses and even pyramiding my pulse like 15,25,40,40,20,10 (6wks, 4x/wk) until I knew exactly what I could get away with.
 
Thanks for all the help everyone, especially you Dr. D.
Going over everything Id say I was dehydrated, which lead to me eating less carbs and worsened the whole situation. I probably should have taken a week rest before I started this but Im gonna take the weekend off and start light on Monday and Tuesday.



My joints are flaring up now and then. Mainly just my elbows. I can feel it in my joint, and like 1.5-2 inches up away from the joint (tendon/connective tissue area) Im fairly sure this is a less common symptom of SD.

I do have another question not related to pulsing, but you do seem extremely knowledgeable about bodybuilding/chemistry/anatomy. Sometimes when I work out my muscles feel very strong, but I feel like I am out of energy. Not like Im fatigued and my muscles are burning and worn out, but more like I feel that they should be able to keep lifting but Im out of gas. Not really sure if this makes sense but its the best way I can think to explain it.
And the pumps!! My god... my biceps and forearms get so pumped I have to over stretch between every set or I would look like a crab in a weeks time. It looks and feels great but is almost making it difficult to workout :think:
 
1. Up your calories

2. Up your carbs

3. Drink an electrolyte drink with BCAA's

4. Extreme stretching lil before, in between and then after the set.

5. Super Cissus from the NP for your joint issues.

Blood glucose / hyperglycemia issues?

Much Love

Neoborn
 
D, what is a good dose to pulse M1,4ADD? I am thinking maybe 80-120mg. Thinking about stacking that with some SD or Epi postworkout. Low dose E-form everyday and either HDx2 or Rebound XT at night on off days.

Prob going to hit it for 6 weeks 4x a week. Maybe throw in some Prostanazol in the last few weeks too.
 
UNCfan1 said:
D, what is a good dose to pulse M1,4ADD? I am thinking maybe 80-120mg. Thinking about stacking that with some superdrol or Epi postworkout. Low dose E-form everyday and either HDx2 or Rebound XT at night on off days.

Prob going to hit it for 6 weeks 4x a week. Maybe throw in some Prostanazol in the last few weeks too.
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Bro..you know as well as I do that with your experience in the hormone world... you're a bit to advanced to run a pulse.. (not saying a pulse is for beginners here at all).. Just saying bro, you'd benefit more from running an actual cycle and doing so hard like we know you want to! haha besides, we have that thing goin on with your next cycle.. so keep me informed.
 
slacker said:
Thanks for all the help everyone, especially you Dr. D.
Going over everything Id say I was dehydrated, which lead to me eating less carbs and worsened the whole situation. I probably should have taken a week rest before I started this but Im gonna take the weekend off and start light on Monday and Tuesday.



My joints are flaring up now and then. Mainly just my elbows. I can feel it in my joint, and like 1.5-2 inches up away from the joint (tendon/connective tissue area) Im fairly sure this is a less common symptom of superdrol.

I do have another question not related to pulsing, but you do seem extremely knowledgeable about bodybuilding/chemistry/anatomy. Sometimes when I work out my muscles feel very strong, but I feel like I am out of energy. Not like Im fatigued and my muscles are burning and worn out, but more like I feel that they should be able to keep lifting but Im out of gas. Not really sure if this makes sense but its the best way I can think to explain it.
And the pumps!! My god... my biceps and forearms get so pumped I have to over stretch between every set or I would look like a crab in a weeks time. It looks and feels great but is almost making it difficult to workout :think:
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Neo had a good assessment. It sound like diet. I usually take some yohimbine when it's like that, to get through those extra tough w/o when you just don't have the gas and your diet has not been adequate. To reduce pumps, you may need to lower the dose a bit or start getting less sodium or more potassium in your diet.
 
RisingAgainst said:
Bro..you know as well as I do that with your experience in the hormone world... you're a bit to advanced to run a pulse.. (not saying a pulse is for beginners here at all).. Just saying bro, you'd benefit more from running an actual cycle and doing so hard like we know you want to! haha besides, we have that thing goin on with your next cycle.. so keep me informed.
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HAHA, I am not that experienced. I am to wishy washy lately about what to run. I have been bugging the crap out of D about different stacks. I know I am driving him nuts:lol:

I haven't forgot, I can still make kick ass gains while pulsing:head:
 
RisingAgainst said:
Bro..you know as well as I do that with your experience in the hormone world... you're a bit to advanced to run a pulse.. (not saying a pulse is for beginners here at all).. Just saying bro, you'd benefit more from running an actual cycle and doing so hard like we know you want to! haha besides, we have that thing goin on with your next cycle.. so keep me informed.
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Hehe, he's thinking about it I'm sure!

UNC,
I like M14, but I never pulsed it. Pulsed dbol plenty of times though and it feels a lot the same at about 1.5x the dose. A bit more edgy than dbol though. 120mg of M14 is rough man, makes me kinda mean as I remember. I would certainly not exceed that, even on a pulse. If you don't pulse, 60-90mg per day stacked with epi would be nice too I bet. :)
 
DR.D said:
Hehe, he's thinking about it I'm sure!

UNC,
I like M14, but I never pulsed it. Pulsed dbol plenty of times though and it feels a lot the same at about 1.5x the dose. A bit more edgy than dbol though. 120mg of M14 is rough man, makes me kinda mean as I remember. I would certainly not exceed that, even on a pulse. If you don't pulse, 60-90mg per day stacked with epi would be nice too I bet. :)
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Hmm I've used both (dbol and m,14) and I have to say, I was more pleased with m14... Dbol wasnt all it was cracked up to be at 50mgs.. but 140mgs of m14 went a long way with me.
 
DR.D said:
Hehe, he's thinking about it I'm sure!

UNC,
I like M14, but I never pulsed it. Pulsed dbol plenty of times though and it feels a lot the same at about 1.5x the dose. A bit more edgy than dbol though. 120mg of M14 is rough man, makes me kinda mean as I remember. I would certainly not exceed that, even on a pulse. If you don't pulse, 60-90mg per day stacked with epi would be nice too I bet. :)
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Thanks D, now if I were not going to pulse it and ran Epi with it are u suggesting bridging it since they both are methyl or running Epi at a lower dose with it?
 
UNCfan1 said:
Thanks D, now if I were not going to pulse it and ran Epi with it are u suggesting bridging it since they both are methyl or running Epi at a lower dose with it?
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ooo I'm thinking stack em.. I like the idea a lot myself.. maybe 60mgs m14 and 30mgs epi.. mmm tasty :food:
 
RisingAgainst said:
ooo I'm thinking stack em.. I like the idea a lot myself.. maybe 60mgs m14 and 30mgs epi.. mmm tasty :food:
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It would have to be at 80mg, the mayhem comes in 40mg. I like that too. Sounds like a plan!:woohoo: I want to get rid of my prostanazol so I will add that too.
 
I agree, M14 was more androgenic but less bloaty than dbol. I liked it, but you really didn't take enough dbol to measure the 2. 140mg M14 would take about 95mg of dbol to duplicate the anabolism, 50 would not come close.
 
DR.D said:
I agree, M14 was more androgenic but less bloaty than dbol. I liked it, but you really didn't take enough dbol to measure the 2. 140mg M14 would take about 95mg of dbol to duplicate the anabolism, 50 would not come close.
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Hmm interesting point made there... I was being a cheap ass at the time what can I say? haha

Furthermore.. I recommended this to Unc, tell me your opinion:

80mg m14
30mg epi
30-60mg propadrol

It sounds rough, but I know Mike will bust ass on the supporting supps and use his head here. Also... I have to PM you about something Doc.
 
neoborn said:
What's DA, if you can't say can you pm me or email please.

Much Love,

Neoborn
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Discount anabolics. Is this source posting? Naw can't be. Sorry if it is. There a few of us migrating over here. I find this site to be more enjoyable and I have learned alot here.

Congrats on the rep Neoborn, when did u start repping?
 
DR.D said:
No, you definitely have the right idea! In the most pure form of pulsing, only 1 dose is given pre-w/o. I've been suggesting 2 doses (pre & post) more as a concession, because like you state if offers additional anabolism post w/o and kind of fool proofs the method, though compromising some of the pre-w/o strength. But ideally, the whole dose is taken pre-w/o and you lift and eat fast enough such that you still have enough in your system after the w/o to promote caloric assimilation.

Only taking 1 dose pre-w/o requires insight and a more strict scheduling of training and diet, plus it involves 1 big dose (which I thought might scare people at first) but it is clear that you understand the essence of the system so feel free to explore that Sol.
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Doc, I've worked my way up to 40 mgs on my Superdrol pulse. Are you saying it's ok to take 40 mgs preworkout ???
 
DR.D said:
Haha, yep. Did it for 3 years straight! Pulsed in the summer and football season too, never did post cycle therapy the whole time. I am not suggesting this is fool-proof, when in doubt do a PCT! But, yes, PCT should not be required if done properly. I was very cautious in the beginning, using fairly low doses and even pyramiding my pulse like 15,25,40,40,20,10 (6wks, 4x/wk) until I knew exactly what I could get away with.
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Thats all i needed....someone who has been there and done it and the Docs the man...thanks Doc.
And just a update on my pulse...Day 1 i weighed 253 in the morning and now its day 4 in the morning and weight is 258.6 (hell yeah) I don't even think i have my cals in the upper 4000 range yet...20mg M-Drol 4 times a week and with results like that i don't think i'm going over 20mg a day.
 
UNCfan1 said:
Discount anabolics. Is this source posting? Naw can't be. Sorry if it is. There a few of us migrating over here. I find this site to be more enjoyable and I have learned alot here.

Congrats on the rep Neoborn, when did u start repping?
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Um month or so ago now. See the welcome in the IBE forum on here. :)

The atmosphere just more pleasant here or what's the reason for the exodus :toofunny:. I know why I'm here rather than BB.com .....I don't think I need to explain that one.. :D

Much Love,

NEoborn
 
Alright, this post has the pulse experts in it, so ill post here....have been doing research bout pulsing for awhile, sounds like a great idea....

This is not my first cycle, of orals or other, but I am wondering what would be the best in terms of pulsing with me....

Workout schedule: 5 days a week(possibly a 6th depending on how I feel)

Nutrition: Spot on(I think) 3000+( will bump up to 4k+ daily when 'on') calories a day, trying to reach 210lbs body weight, currently at 5'7" 180lbs, was up to 190 but have lost some water/fat.

Ive got 80 10mg superdrol capsules, as well as some Havoc....ive got a bit of gyno I would like to eliminate, but really there is no point as I am planning on going on a 'real' cycle after I try a pulse.

Ummm, any other info needed?
What dosages would be good?
wk1: 10mg/3x week
wk2: 20mg/3x week
wk3: 30mg/3x week
wk3-6:40mg/3x week

Taking milk thistle, ryr, hb, all the good stuff.....

*The information herein requested is a HYPOTHICAL situation and in no way reflects anyone*
 
PhoebeusFenix said:
Alright, this post has the pulse experts in it, so ill post here....have been doing research bout pulsing for awhile, sounds like a great idea....

This is not my first cycle, of orals or other, but I am wondering what would be the best in terms of pulsing with me....

Workout schedule: 5 days a week(possibly a 6th depending on how I feel)

Nutrition: Spot on(I think) 3000+( will bump up to 4k+ daily when 'on') calories a day, trying to reach 210lbs body weight, currently at 5'7" 180lbs, was up to 190 but have lost some water/fat.

Ive got 80 10mg superdrol capsules, as well as some Havoc....ive got a bit of gyno I would like to eliminate, but really there is no point as I am planning on going on a 'real' cycle after I try a pulse.

Ummm, any other info needed?
What dosages would be good?
wk1: 10mg/3x week
wk2: 20mg/3x week
wk3: 30mg/3x week
wk3-6:40mg/3x week

Taking milk thistle, ryr, hb, all the good stuff.....

*The information herein requested is a HYPOTHICAL situation and in no way reflects anyone*
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Are those dosages each? cause I think you'd find the lethargy + back pumps moderately crippling on superdrol at 40, at least for the workout day itself. If you were going to go that high on superdrol, I'd suggest it only on friday, when you are going to take 2 days off, and just do 30mg the other days.
 
EasyEJL said:
Are those dosages each? cause I think you'd find the lethargy + back pumps moderately crippling on superdrol at 40, at least for the workout day itself. If you were going to go that high on superdrol, I'd suggest it only on friday, when you are going to take 2 days off, and just do 30mg the other days.
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I agree. 20-30 should be good at his weight.
 
D,

Hey mah bro'idge, can you look at that Maynevayne post we were chatting in. I asked you another question after the um ....pre / post dosing question.

Much Love,

Neoborn.

Thanks man....did you get MSN sorted yet :ntome:
 
vidapreta said:
Doc, I've worked my way up to 40 mgs on my Superdrol pulse. Are you saying it's ok to take 40 mgs preworkout ???
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It seems a bit excessive. If you can manage it, sure, but 20 maybe 30 is all I would attempt in one dose. The endurance effect for 20 is very adequate. I can lift 2hrs straight and still feel charged on 20mg usually. Superdrol is not super suppressive anyway, I would take a dose of it post-w/o no matter what probably.
 
neoborn said:
... Thanks man....did you get MSN sorted yet :ntome:
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I'm working on it! I'm not a computer genious like you are Neo!

Here's some before and after pics of me trying to install an instant messanger the last time: :type: :frustrate
 
Got the diet bumped up a little more so Im feeling great again, will be back on Monday.

The day before I started I felt my nipple area so I could have a comparison to keep an eye out for gyno. I would say I have slightly larger fat deposits under my pecs than average, and Im around 20% BF so it was hard to feel anything (altho I do remember there being something there, veins/slightly lumpy feeling)

anyways I now do have a lump behind my right nipple. Depending on how I get ahold of it, its seems to be approx. the size of a pea. It is directly behind the nipple, and I can just grab it from top and bottom without touching my areola at all. Thing is, I cant remember if it was there or not before. There is an excellent gyno reversal thread on another forum, and Im willing to order letro if I need it, Im just not sure how to procede. Im thinking I continue on and watch the lump and if it grows too much I quit and hit PCT then letro? Im still not certain its gyno... any tips on how to tell? I have other lumpy feeling areas behind my nipple but this one seems slightly harder on one end than the rest.

I cant believe they used to sell this stuff OTC to kids. I put alot of time into researching my cycle and Im a rather intelligent person and I have hit every problem in the book in less than 2 weeks time.
 
In followup to what I posted, I understand how to use letro AFTER pct, but not during a cycle of SD. If its safe to get on letro right now I might just have to do that.
 
Ok Doc...need your help one last time...Should i save the milk thistle for post cycle???? I also have a liver aid (which looks to be all natural) should i take this during my pulse???
 
EasyEJL said:
like 6 hrs after minimally right so it doesn't interfere with absorption?
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Yes, 6hrs later would be a good minimum to assign to this, and of course preferably more like 24-36hrs (the next day) because that gives you ~5 clean half-lives without interference.
 
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