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Going to be a swole recovery.... with Lean Gains

Come one come all and join my new log! I am beta testing Taurus Nutritions new PH, and continuing my log of WYKED. As well as of course discussing my new favorite subject Intermittent Fasting, or more specifically Lean Gains Intermittent Fasting Protocol.

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Ok so first calculate BMR + Avg(daily activity) = 2770

Then Actual average daily intake cals 2650 - (.75 lbs gained X 3500(cals to burn 1 lb of fat)/7 days

= 2650 - 375 = 2275/2770 = a mark of 82 on the dw metabolic calculator... That just sucks... the calories to gain a lb is 3500 calories I did not have it figured that high. This means that to maintain my weight this week I would have had to average 2275 calories and I have a very high activity level... don't know if this is the right way to figure things out...
 
DreamWeaver said:
Ok so first calculate BMR + Avg(daily activity) = 2770

Then Actual average daily intake cals 2650 - (.75 lbs gained X 3500(cals to burn 1 lb of fat)/7 days

= 2650 - 375 = 2275/2770 = a mark of 82 on the dw metabolic calculator... That just sucks... the calories to gain a lb is 3500 calories I did not have it figured that high. This means that to maintain my weight this week I would have had to average 2275 calories and I have a very high activity level... don't know if this is the right way to figure things out...
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Your BMR + avg activity seems low based on the number of workouts and amount of walking you do. What are you using to calculate your BMR?
 
Milas said:
Your BMR + avg activity seems low based on the number of workouts and amount of walking you do. What are you using to calculate your BMR?
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It's age the numbers are accurate.. my BMR is only 1922 then add in the activity...
 
Wow, it sucks to get old!

(no offense, LOL!)
 
Milas said:
Your BMR + avg activity seems low based on the number of workouts and amount of walking you do. What are you using to calculate your BMR?
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That is what he means when he says he is efficient metabolically.
DreamWeaver said:
It's age the numbers are accurate.. my BMR is only 1922 then add in the activity...
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I have always used the easy charts that basically list activity types, body types and suggest the multiplication range. However I have always been on the lower side of anything listed there. It says 13-14 for someone my activity level to maintain but I have found I only need about 12-13 x body weight to maintain body weight and that is including my exercise regiment. The 12-13 is actually considered the low end of the cutting diet range and I had to learn that mine was lower for myself. However some people like Milas probably have a maintenance level of 15-16 x BW with activity level and normal metabolism. However once you learn what your multiplier is for your body weight things are much easier in my opinion.

So lets say DW is 220 I can't remember but think he is around there. Seeing as we compare our metabolisms quite often I will use a multiplier of 12 which is what I do for my aggressive recomps would put you around 2640 for an a metabolic rate including training 2112/3168 with a -20/+20 ratio which the overall average. As you can see the numbers you set up and mine come very close when you do the average for the week. As a matter of fact your daily average, and mine are only 10 calories different. You came up with 2650 and me 2640. So I would say from your calculations earlier that you are around a multiplier of 12. Not sure what method you went through to get your numbers the multiplication has always worked for me.
 
Look what I found.
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MrKleen73 said:
Look what I found.
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Yah I am 210 and 2650 is what I guessed for my rate and you come up with 2640 wow... I guess my self knowledge was enough and I don't really need any fancy smancy calculations :stooges:
 
Holy molely!! I had my doubts when I weighed myself last the other day and was up in weight but I did look bigger and a bit leaner. Right now I looked in the mirror and I am seeing striations and lower abdominal leanness that I did not even touch last year. I am seeing more vascularity than I have ever seen... I am seeing a marked increase in size. The wife commented on this as well...

Lean gains is a modern miracle and this is a fuggin awesome stack I am running!! My libido is supercharged, my aggression is very high (have to watch myself), I feel on, large and in charge... what a PCT this has been lol!!!
 
It's about time you started posting this morning!!!

That's a pretty intense update. Sounds like you're having some great results :thumbsup:
 
stxnas said:
It's about time you started posting this morning!!!

That's a pretty intense update. Sounds like you're having some great results :thumbsup:
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Yah I slept in ... the result are astounding... just way I would like...
 
DreamWeaver said:
Holy molely!! I had my doubts when I weighed myself last the other day and was up in weight but I did look bigger and a bit leaner. Right now I looked in the mirror and I am seeing striations and lower abdominal leanness that I did not even touch last year. I am seeing more vascularity than I have ever seen... I am seeing a marked increase in size. The wife commented on this as well...

Lean gains is a modern miracle and this is a fuggin awesome stack I am running!! My libido is supercharged, my aggression is very high (have to watch myself), I feel on, large and in charge... what a PCT this has been lol!!!
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Awesome DW! Everything seems to be going your way. Good stuff! Lean gains has me sold on its abilities with fat loss, and I will be testing out its abilities for LBM gain while keeping BF the same when I drop another 3-4% (hopefully in 6 weeks or less) :)
 
RickRock13 said:
Awesome DW! Everything seems to be going your way. Good stuff! Lean gains has me sold on its abilities with fat loss, and I will be testing out its abilities for LBM gain while keeping BF the same when I drop another 3-4% (hopefully in 6 weeks or less) :)
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Yah I am loving the recomp...
 
Well it's been quite a week, first I appear to gain some size and it seems that I am leaner, I get on the scales and am up .75 of a lb but about a lb leaner. Then over the weekend I appear to drop more fat and the lower part of my abdominals are showing more defintion than they have in years... Then yesterday I have my best workout in quite a while showing good power on all compound lifts. Yah I am only at about 90% but remember I am almost 40 lbs lighter...

Bench 240 X 5 X 3, 220 X 8, 190 X 12
Front squats 240 X 5 X 3, 220 X 8, 190 X 12
Tbars 210 X 5 X 3, 190 X 8, 165 X 12
Push Press 140 X 5 X 3, 120 X 8, 90 X 12

Wheel of death 6 and 2 reps my core was trashed but I want to start doing wod on day 1 and day 3 will be full ab training with bar of death...
 
MrKleen73 said:
Excellent! More reading and learning! In reading the study I posted it mentioned that Glucagon was the stored version and the active metabolite was glucagon like peptides i "believe". I know there was definitely a reference.

However more importantly is that the reactions that I knew happened are the same but I should have been referring to the Glucagon Like Peptides? You don't have to answer that if major explanation is required, as I am sure you already have by providing these links that I will be reading hopefully at some point this weekend. However if that statement is correct then I feel I have a pretty decent grasp of the actions / reactions and it was as you said me using the wrong word. Either way the challenge stimulated a lot of learning and for that I thank you!
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Exactly. If in your original post you would have stated Glucagon Like Peptides(especially GLP-1) you would have been 100% correct.

I know this conversation has taken my knowledge of this subject even higher then that of my graduate level biochem class since the we didnt touch on the various derivates of pro-glucagon. Good stuf!!
 
DreamWeaver said:
Well it's been quite a week, first I appear to gain some size and it seems that I am leaner, I get on the scales and am up .75 of a lb but about a lb leaner. Then over the weekend I appear to drop more fat and the lower part of my abdominals are showing more defintion than they have in years... Then yesterday I have my best workout in quite a while showing good power on all compound lifts. Yah I am only at about 90% but remember I am almost 40 lbs lighter...

Bench 240 X 5 X 3, 220 X 8, 190 X 12
Front squats 240 X 5 X 3, 220 X 8, 190 X 12
Tbars 210 X 5 X 3, 190 X 8, 165 X 12
Push Press 140 X 5 X 3, 120 X 8, 90 X 12

Wheel of death 6 and 2 reps my core was trashed but I want to start doing wod on day 1 and day 3 will be full ab training with bar of death...
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Now this is my kind of lift! Squat...bench...Rows...AND push press now that is a full body routine i can grow to love!
 
DreamWeaver said:
Yah I am loving the recomp...
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You're not joking...im gonna mention this in my log when i update but the changes in phsyique are almost immediate(relatively)
 
Awesome stuff Doug, I can't wait to see your After now / before prep pictures when you start that prep log. Dying for a peak of it now. Lower abs, striations these words are teases to the physique enthusiast. How many weeks we gotta wait to see them? C'Mon not even a polaroid before then?
 
MrKleen73 said:
Awesome stuff Doug, I can't wait to see your After now / before prep pictures when you start that prep log. Dying for a peak of it now. Lower abs, striations these words are teases to the physique enthusiast. How many weeks we gotta wait to see them? C'Mon not even a polaroid before then?
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I second this.... Pictures...pictures...pictures! Gotta apease your fans Doug!
 
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GoHardOrGoHme said:
Exactly. If in your original post you would have stated Glucagon Like Peptides(especially GLP-1) you would have been 100% correct.

I know this conversation has taken my knowledge of this subject even higher then that of my graduate level biochem class since the we didnt touch on the various derivates of pro-glucagon. Good stuf!!
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Gotta love how we are able to learn off these discussions....

GoHardOrGoHme said:
Now this is my kind of lift! Squat...bench...Rows...AND push press now that is a full body routine i can grow to love!
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Yah she's hard core but not full body, still have my hammies,calves and arms to destroy on tuesday...

GoHardOrGoHme said:
You're not joking...im gonna mention this in my log when i update but the changes in phsyique are almost immediate(relatively)
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Ain't it grand...

MrKleen73 said:
Awesome stuff Doug, I can't wait to see your After now / before prep pictures when you start that prep log. Dying for a peak of it now. Lower abs, striations these words are teases to the physique enthusiast. How many weeks we gotta wait to see them? C'Mon not even a polaroid before then?
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ScottyDoc said:
I second this.... Pictures...pictures...pictures! Gotta apease your fans Doug!
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I'll see what I can do this weekend but I don't think we have the equipment or the lighting to make the definition show up. My first progress pics will show the improvements cuz that's when I will start using my photographer. I have a great log planned for you guys when I start my prep. Pics every 3 weeks or so .. good ones.
 
Looking forward to watching your progress Doug, you are always dedicated and more frequent visual updates is welcome, really helps show what proper training and nutrition can do. What cycle do you have planned for your log?
 
oufinny said:
Looking forward to watching your progress Doug, you are always dedicated and more frequent visual updates is welcome, really helps show what proper training and nutrition can do. What cycle do you have planned for your log?
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Doing EPI-V/PCT Black run... very mild but will help maintain muscle while I cut. I won't have to lose a ton of weight either so I should be much more successful with all the time I have.
 
DreamWeaver said:
Doing EPI-V/PCT Black run... very mild but will help maintain muscle while I cut. I won't have to lose a ton of weight either so I should be much more successful with all the time I have.
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Nice, looking to get "Redefined?" :32:
 
DreamWeaver said:
Yep should be quite good, I will not take anything but ripped to shreds and I will do almost anything to get there. :12:
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ScottyDoc said:
Sweet, that's AWESOME!!!
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Looking forward to seeing what all it can do! I'm expecting ripped to shreds, and nothing less Doug! Put Redefined to the Pure Test!

I'm going to have to look into that Epi-V...
 
Throw in some new AndroHard man, it will get you good and vascular right pre-contest.
 
oufinny said:
Throw in some new AndroHard man, it will get you good and vascular right pre-contest.
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Isn't that the same active in Epi-V? Androsterone? :ponder:
 
Milas said:
Isn't that the same active in Epi-V? Androsterone? :ponder:
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ScottyDoc said:
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Yes, I agree that 1 Andro and Epi-V are very different, I wasn't trying to compare them. Sorry if I misconveyed that!

I was referring to AndroHard v2 vs. Epi-V. They are both Androsterone. I believe AndroHard V1 was Epiandrosterone (b-isomer), but they switched it in V2 since it was "stronger" in vida (even though people responded better to MMV2 which was the b-isomer). I guess Epi-V uses the a-isomer, which is stronger in vida?
 
Milas said:
Yes, I agree that 1 Andro and Epi-V are very different, I wasn't trying to compare them. Sorry if I misconveyed that!

I was referring to AndroHard v2 vs. Epi-V. They are both Androsterone. I believe AndroHard V1 was Epiandrosterone (b-isomer), but they switched it in V2 since it was "stronger" in vida (even though people responded better to MMV2 which was the b-isomer). I guess Epi-V uses the a-isomer, which is stronger in vida?
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So Epi-V is like the new version of Androhard ?

Yesterdays Diet

12pm 12 oz chickem breast
1 cup pasta salad
2 oranges

5pm 16 oz sirloin
1 cup Rice
2 cups brocolli

8pm 3 whole eggs scrambled
1 slice stone milled bread
Tomato slices

I am very hungry today and my fast breaking meal is just chicken and mixed greens might be tough...
 
DreamWeaver said:
So Epi-V is like the new version of Androhard ?
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Other than the delivery system PP is using, yes. A more apt comparison may be MMV3, since I believe LG switched as well from V2 to V3? What concerns me is MMV2 had very good results while MMV3 was lack-luster.

Regardless, Epi-V is a different company, etc. so you never know. I'd say the closest comparison would be something like AndroHard or Stanodrol, but Epi-V has other actives like 7-oxo.
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DreamWeaver said:
So Epi-V is like the new version of Androhard ?

Yesterdays Diet

12pm 12 oz chickem breast
1 cup pasta salad
2 oranges

5pm 16 oz sirloin
1 cup Rice
2 cups brocolli

8pm 3 whole eggs scrambled
1 slice stone milled bread
Tomato slices

I am very hungry today and my fast breaking meal is just chicken and mixed greens might be tough...
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This is the kind of diet/menu im shooting for on Lean Gains. Right on point DW. Showing us youngsters(namely myself) how to hit this diet up right.
 
GoHardOrGoHme said:
This is the kind of diet/menu im shooting for on Lean Gains. Right on point DW. Showing us youngsters(namely myself) how to hit this diet up right.
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Thanks .. nwd's need to be fairly clean to get enough volume, today's diet will be more fun as it is a wd...

12pm 12 oz chickem breast
Salad greens 2 cups with some balsamic vineger
1 grranny smith apple

4:30 wokrout
5:30 shake 2 scoops

wait for it .....

7pm 3 large beef patties (lean) about 5oz ea.
3 multigrain flat bread buns
2 cups frozen yogurt
 
My 2 favorite times of day:

1. Working out
2. Breaking Fast

I would be content in life right now with those 2 things! LG does seem to make you appreciate food a bit more, even just normal, old clean food like chicken and oats!
 
Milas said:
My 2 favorite times of day:

1. Working out
2. Breaking Fast

I would be content in life right now with those 2 things! LG does seem to make you appreciate food a bit more, even just normal, old clean food like chicken and oats!
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Yah .. agree on all points... and it's just so satisfying when you see the results and think I can eat more freely and get better results... Like a big load has been lifted off my back...
 
DreamWeaver said:
So Epi-V is like the new version of Androhard ?
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I am not familiar enough with Androhard to comment on that, but all I know is how good EPI-V worked for me and can't wait to see your run with it, you are going to like your results Brotha, let me know if you have not received your products by Friday and I will get that Tracking # for you again, just don't lose it this time "OLD FUGGER!" LoL
 
ScottyDoc said:
I am not familiar enough with Androhard to comment on that, but all I know is how good EPI-V worked for me and can't wait to see your run with it, you are going to like your results Brotha, let me know if you have not received your products by Friday and I will get that Tracking # for you again, just don't lose it this time "OLD FUGGER!" LoL
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Yah my mailbox was getting full and I forgot it was in there...

Hey has everybody taken advantage of the free samples of recoverpro and maniac ...


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Okay, I am LATE! I didnt realize Lean Gains was a nutrition/diet method, I expected a supp. I hadnt heard of Lean Gains so didnt care to follow along. Now I am intrigued after hearing you and Kleen discuss the fat loss in his log.

Definitely here to learn more about Lean Gains approach, I will have to skim the log for some info
 
p5sky said:
Okay, I am LATE! I didnt realize Lean Gains was a nutrition/diet method, I expected a supp. I hadnt heard of Lean Gains so didnt care to follow along. Now I am intrigued after hearing you and Kleen discuss the fat loss in his log.

Definitely here to learn more about Lean Gains approach, I will have to skim the log for some info
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yah it's basically what I like to call a fast and gorge concept, which is more condusive to some of us more primitive types...

The is a special thread on the nutritiion board dedicated to this full of some really good info...
 
Decent workout last night, more than decent really good power.

Now it looks like I am leaning a little again. Funny how it seems to work, I get leaner then I appear to gain size then I look leaner again.
 
Yeah, mine goes in cycles too but the leaning days are always a downward trend and the bigger days are always on an upward trend so it works out very well. I have also found some serious over eating occasionally on a high calorie day seems to help when trying to gain. I have to admit I am looking lean and mean today and yesterday was what I like to refer to as an Eat Day. I topped the evening off at about 3000 calories, last thing I ate was 8 oz fat free cottage cheese with splenda and cinnamon. MMMM MMMMM GOOD!
 
MrKleen73 said:
Yeah, mine goes in cycles too but the leaning days are always a downward trend and the bigger days are always on an upward trend so it works out very well. I have also found some serious over eating occasionally on a high calorie day seems to help when trying to gain. I have to admit I am looking lean and mean today and yesterday was what I like to refer to as an Eat Day. I topped the evening off at about 3000 calories, last thing I ate was 8 oz fat free cottage cheese with splenda and cinnamon. MMMM MMMMM GOOD!
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Yah you have the big differences in calories so your swing would be more pronouced. Mine doesn't seem to follow my eating but I am sure that it has to do with it. First week I lost 5 lbs, second I lost another lb. Then last week I gained .75 lbs but still lost some fat. This week I bet I am down close to 2 lbs, but no sign of muscle loss... just not bigger like I got last week...
 
wow, must be frustrating at first until you realize how this works. To lose 5-6 lbs one week then gain a bit the following week would be difficult for some to follow through . . . but it seems patience is necessary
 
As long as you're looking good (i.e., using the mirror) you should be doing fine. I don't think Doug has been disappointed yet!
 
p5sky said:
wow, must be frustrating at first until you realize how this works. To lose 5-6 lbs one week then gain a bit the following week would be difficult for some to follow through . . . but it seems patience is necessary
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Milas said:
As long as you're looking good (i.e., using the mirror) you should be doing fine. I don't think Doug has been disappointed yet!
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Right, no frustration I am elated with what the mirror was saying.. the first week where I lost 5 lbs I looked to lose around 1.5% body fat now after 3.5 weeks I appear to be down a grand total of about 2.5% and I am on a recomp...
 
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