GMG is recovering faster than you with LG's GHENERATE!

Irish Cannon said:
Are you as lean now as you were in the avi? - This CKD stuff is really disappointing me. I think I'm going to go back to a regular 50/30/20 diet. What are you doing for the fat loss?
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I kind of fudged my cut for this summer by breaking up with my previous girlfriend amidst my last hdrol/oristan-a cycle. After my PCT, I ended up cheating my diet, drinking beers at bars or shows when meeting/dating girls, candy at the movies on dates etc... just fell off the wagon as far as diet/cardio/self-restraint went. I've met someone new and have gotten my priorities back under control. I never got above 12-13%, but that is kinda soft for me to not be bulking.

I would say I am 10-11% at the moment. I was under 10% in that picture, but I am pretty darn close to the same shape. I have at least 10-15 lbs of lbm on me in comparison to that picture. I am sitting in the low 190's at the moment. Pictures will tell the truth of the tale though. I could be higher or lower, this is all just speculation from the mirror.

My diet is pretty much 50/30/20. I can't function without carbs. I am doing two to three days a week of HIIT on the bike. 20 minutes, cycling e/o cardio workout between 20 - 30 second sprints/rests and 10- 1 minute sprints and rests.

I'll do 1-2 days of various cardio from jogging to walking or riding my bike at a moderate pace. Usually my sessions on these days last 45 minutes.

smeton_yea said:
If you are wanting the most mass possible no hitt/intense cardio sessions as they impair muscle gains. I am surpurised you do not know this if you do Dc, besides sex is cardio in and of itself.

Keep cardio low to moderate..walking,, bike. trust me! I am saving you from eating away muscle from years of expirience.

Offseason 30 minutes 3-4 days per week, for cardiovasular health and calorie burning
Precontest everyday two sessions 30-40 minutes or one big session 45-60 minutes(depending on how lean you are)
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Thanks for the advice but I know what works for me. I feel like I am doing myself a dis-service when I don't do HIIT. It works incredibly well for me, and I don't feel that it makes me lose muscle mass at all really. I have a hard time not gaining fat when I do the "traditional DC cardio".

I have no goals that involve competing in BBing at the moment, so maximizing my muscle growth at the expense of being a fat ass isn't worth it to me. My LBM is steadily rising even with the cardio that I do.

I've come to realize that girls don't give a rats ass how strong you are. You could deadlift a fuggin' school bus and they wouldn't care. But if you have a dope six pack, they swarm you like flies on sh*t. So for now, aesthetics win out over size/strength... which btw are both continually raising while on DC. I am growing and getting stronger, no doubt about it.
 
I like to eat....So I would rather do cardio so I can eat that couple hundred calories everyday!!
 
I'm loosening up on the catabolic paranoia now, but I must say that paranoia helped me break through my hard-gaining years. Well, that and a 5-6k calorie 40/40/20 diet, lol (no joke).

Nowadays, I'm fatabolic paranoid. Da*ned age is catching up with me.




Oh! And in for the ghood stuff, GMG760. Been waiting to see this product finally come to market for a long time. Hey, where's our ECDY sublingual, LG? :mischievous:
 
AZMIDLYF said:
I like to eat....So I would rather do cardio so I can eat that couple hundred calories everyday!!
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Doing cardio just makes me feel good. I don't always do it, but I've started it up again, and will hopefully keep it in my routine. I never remember how much better I feel doing cardio until I add it back in.
 
TimberLakers said:
PS - GHenerate is corny.
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Hi hater. :wave:



Eh, who cares what they call it. If this stuff does what it says it does on paper, they could call it Bullshark Testosterone Extract and I would still probably buy the stuff and take it.
 
A little information on GHRP-2.


Growth Hormone Releasing Peptide - 2 (GHRP2)
Is a synthetic six amino acid peptide that has robustly potent properties.

GHRPs are a small family of peptides acting at the pituitary and the hypothalamus to release Growth hormone (GH) through the activation of a specific, G protein-coupled receptor.

They were discovered 20 years ago as synthetic metenkephalin- derived oligopeptides (Synthetic tissue derived amino acids). Although it has no structural homology with Growth Hormone Releasing Hormone (GHRH), in clinical studies GHRP-2 demonstrated action on the pituitary to release Human Growth Hormone (HGH). Similar results were effective when GHRP-2 was administered sublingual. Clinical studies showed the most potent GHRP being the hexapeptide GHRP-2.

Growth Hormone Releasing Peptide 2(GHRP2) substantially stimulates the pituitary gland's increased natural production of the body's own endogenous human growth hormone (HGH). This therapy consists of daily periodic sub-lingual dosing. Growth Hormone releasing peptide 2, GHRP2 has shown on it's own to robustly increase IGF-1 levels, and even greater results occurred when used with Growth Hormone Releasing Hormone (GHRH) to which also stimulates the pituitary gland to produce increased natural secretion of human growth hormone. This also boosts the hypothalamus function as well.

The results of the clinical studies published in the Journal of Endocrinology and Metabolism in 1997 for GHRP2 - showed that a medically supervised, prescribed and administered therapy increased growth hormone levels in adults and children, who have growth hormone deficiency.

The increase in the body's growth hormone via elevated IGF-1 levels produced by the pituitary gland in response to GHRP2 therapy -- has an anabolic effect on the tissues of the body.
 
Irish Cannon said:
Doing cardio just makes me feel good. I don't always do it, but I've started it up again, and will hopefully keep it in my routine. I never remember how much better I feel doing cardio until I add it back in.
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I agree. I just started doing cardio for the first time in my life and I really like it. Im doing a DC training calve routine on the treadmill.

GMG760 said:
A little information on GHRP-2.


Growth Hormone Releasing Peptide - 2 (GHRP2)
Is a synthetic six amino acid peptide that has robustly potent properties.

GHRPs are a small family of peptides acting at the pituitary and the hypothalamus to release Growth hormone (GH) through the activation of a specific, G protein-coupled receptor.

They were discovered 20 years ago as synthetic metenkephalin- derived oligopeptides (Synthetic tissue derived amino acids). Although it has no structural homology with Growth Hormone Releasing Hormone (GHRH), in clinical studies GHRP-2 demonstrated action on the pituitary to release Human Growth Hormone (HGH). Similar results were effective when GHRP-2 was administered sublingual. Clinical studies showed the most potent GHRP being the hexapeptide GHRP-2.

Growth Hormone Releasing Peptide 2(GHRP2) substantially stimulates the pituitary gland's increased natural production of the body's own endogenous human growth hormone (HGH). This therapy consists of daily periodic sub-lingual dosing. Growth Hormone releasing peptide 2, GHRP2 has shown on it's own to robustly increase IGF-1 levels, and even greater results occurred when used with Growth Hormone Releasing Hormone (GHRH) to which also stimulates the pituitary gland to produce increased natural secretion of human growth hormone. This also boosts the hypothalamus function as well.

The results of the clinical studies published in the Journal of Endocrinology and Metabolism in 1997 for GHRP2 - showed that a medically supervised, prescribed and administered therapy increased growth hormone levels in adults and children, who have growth hormone deficiency.

The increase in the body's growth hormone via elevated IGF-1 levels produced by the pituitary gland in response to GHRP2 therapy -- has an anabolic effect on the tissues of the body.
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Damn dude, you are f-ing smart. Nice write up.
 
GMG760 said:
A little information on GHRP-2.


Growth Hormone Releasing Peptide - 2 (GHRP2)
Is a synthetic six amino acid peptide that has robustly potent properties.

GHRPs are a small family of peptides acting at the pituitary and the hypothalamus to release Growth hormone (GH) through the activation of a specific, G protein-coupled receptor.

They were discovered 20 years ago as synthetic metenkephalin- derived oligopeptides (Synthetic tissue derived amino acids). Although it has no structural homology with Growth Hormone Releasing Hormone (GHRH), in clinical studies GHRP-2 demonstrated action on the pituitary to release Human Growth Hormone (HGH). Similar results were effective when GHRP-2 was administered sublingual. Clinical studies showed the most potent GHRP being the hexapeptide GHRP-2.

Growth Hormone Releasing Peptide 2(GHRP2) substantially stimulates the pituitary gland's increased natural production of the body's own endogenous human growth hormone (HGH). This therapy consists of daily periodic sub-lingual dosing. Growth Hormone releasing peptide 2, GHRP2 has shown on it's own to robustly increase IGF-1 levels, and even greater results occurred when used with Growth Hormone Releasing Hormone (GHRH) to which also stimulates the pituitary gland to produce increased natural secretion of human growth hormone. This also boosts the hypothalamus function as well.

The results of the clinical studies published in the Journal of Endocrinology and Metabolism in 1997 for GHRP2 - showed that a medically supervised, prescribed and administered therapy increased growth hormone levels in adults and children, who have growth hormone deficiency.

The increase in the body's growth hormone via elevated IGF-1 levels produced by the pituitary gland in response to GHRP2 therapy -- has an anabolic effect on the tissues of the body.
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Ya, you f*cking smart SOB. (I don't think Gmoney wrote that, Moe.) - I'm going to make like that episode of Seinfeld where George joins that group of guys that are always calling each other "son of a b*tch" and "bastard."
 
G, what kind of daily dosing protocol does this follow? Do you know that or will you find out when you receive the product? I know that GH spikes naturally thru-out the day and I was curious about the frequency and timing of this.
 
AZMIDLYF said:
G, what kind of daily dosing protocol does this follow? Do you know that or will you find out when you receive the product? I know that GH spikes naturally thru-out the day and I was curious about the frequency and timing of this.
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From what I know about GH, this will work best in a fasted state. I can't wait to add it in to my program as I do fasted resistance training and cardio, and don't eat for the last few hours I'm up at night.
 
bigmoe65 said:
Damn dude, you are f-ing smart. Nice write up.
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Yea, I can copy and paste pretty well can't I? Thank God my college degree got me somewhere. :lol:

Irish Cannon said:
Ya, you f*cking smart SOB. (I don't think Gmoney wrote that, Moe.) - I'm going to make like that episode of Seinfeld where George joins that group of guys that are always calling each other "son of a b*tch" and "bastard."
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Geez Irish, just take the wind out of my sails... Jerk. :toofunny:

AZMIDLYF said:
G, what kind of daily dosing protocol does this follow? Do you know that or will you find out when you receive the product? I know that GH spikes naturally thru-out the day and I was curious about the frequency and timing of this.
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7 sprays under tongue pre workout, 7 sprays under tongue before bed. 1 bottle lasts 30 days.
 
Food intake around doses?
 
AZMIDLYF said:
Food intake around doses?
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None seems to be what is optimal for GH release. Maybe 20-30g casein 2 hours before bed. I am going to try to fast for 4 hours prior to bedtime other than that. My workouts are around 4-5 pm, so I'll have my last meal prior to that around 1.
 
GMG760 said:
None seems to be what is optimal for GH release. Maybe 20-30g casein 2 hours before bed. I am going to try to fast for 4 hours prior to bedtime other than that. My workouts are around 4-5 pm, so I'll have my last meal prior to that around 1.
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Carbs are the biggest problem, so if you have food near dosing, try to make it carb-free.
 
GMG760 said:
None seems to be what is optimal for GH release. Maybe 20-30g casein 2 hours before bed. I am going to try to fast for 4 hours prior to bedtime other than that. My workouts are around 4-5 pm, so I'll have my last meal prior to that around 1.
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It takes an hour for the stomach to empty into the intestines, to be considered an empty stomach which as you said was best for GH release. I like the casien idea, or if you don't want to feel hungry you could eat some cottage cheese as well. Have some healthy fats with the casien meal because lactose is very high GI so fats will help to curb the insulin release. Insulin is a GH production stopper so limit that and you should be golden.
 
I'm currently using another GH supplement right now and have been eating a big whole egg/egg white scramble with some EFAs about a 1/2 hour pre bed, then taking my dose.
 
AZMIDLYF said:
I'm currently using another GH supplement right now and have been eating a big whole egg/egg white scramble with some EFAs about a 1/2 hour pre bed, then taking my dose.
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That shouldn't be horrible, but it's still not ample. I'd suggest not taking a GH-releasing product less than 1.5hrs after a meal.
 
That might be true but I can't argue with my results so far. Anyway, that is why I am interested in this product.
 
AZMIDLYF said:
That might be true but I can't argue with my results so far. Anyway, that is why I am interested in this product.
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Ah, working good, huh? Mind if I ask what it is? - Give that protocol a try, though. If you're getting good results now, they should only be better if you empty the stomach a little more, nawmean? :)
 
remember taking ghrp-2 increases growth hormone levels after eating keeps growth hormone levels up verses if a person did not take it the gh is suppressed. so it won't blount the gh.
The user can take GHENERATE before the last meal and gh stays increased.


GMG760 said:
Thanks for the advice but I know what works for me. I feel like I am doing myself a dis-service when I don't do HIIT. It works incredibly well for me, and I don't feel that it makes me lose muscle mass at all really. I have a hard time not gaining fat when I do the "traditional DC cardio".

I have no goals that involve competing in BBing at the moment, so maximizing my muscle growth at the expense of being a fat ass isn't worth it to me. My LBM is steadily rising even with the cardio that I do.

I've come to realize that girls don't give a rats ass how strong you are. You could deadlift a fuggin' school bus and they wouldn't care. But if you have a dope six pack, they swarm you like flies on sh*t. So for now, aesthetics win out over size/strength... which btw are both continually raising while on DC. I am growing and getting stronger, no doubt about it.
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you are right about getting girls and being leaner. Most likely you are not sacfricing muscle mass. Dorian Yates in his recent podcast gets a question about muscle catabolism the question was jogging a mile on off dayst he went on to say jogging a mile on off days would probally not sacrifice muscle mass.

SokVichet said:
I'm loosening up on the catabolic paranoia now, but I must say that paranoia helped me break through my hard-gaining years. Well, that and a 5-6k calorie 40/40/20 diet, lol (no joke).

Nowadays, I'm fatabolic paranoid. Da*ned age is catching up with me.
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Thats why I am doing it to be thick onstage and size. not doing it for the girls..I must admit when I did do my show and after success seemed to be be a bit more in favor with the ladies..so yeah body fat levels and girls are a thing that mix.

with that said it is important to not become too high in body fat and at least keep it in check.
 
Irish Cannon said:
That shouldn't be horrible, but it's still not ample. I'd suggest not taking a GH-releasing product less than 1.5hrs after a meal.
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Is a protein shake with the GH Product bad? It counts as a small meal? :surprised:

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ConcreteConny said:
Is a protein shake with the GH Product bad? It counts as a small meal? :surprised:

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Depends on the shake. Whey protien breaks down relatively fast and can also cause an insulin release. Great for post workout, not so great for bed time. Not bad just not the best choice. Check the amount of carbs in it also. Syntha 6 and some others are relatively high in carbs and sugar to be optimally taken when needing GH release. I would recommend Casein as the protien of choice for a night time shake because it digest more slowly, add in 5 -10 grams of fish / flax oil also to blunt insulin release by slowing digestion which is also better to avoid catabolism later in the night.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Depends on the shake. Whey protien breaks down relatively fast and can also cause an insulin release. Great for post workout, not so great for bed time. Not bad just not the best choice. Check the amount of carbs in it also. Syntha 6 and some others are relatively high in carbs and sugar to be optimally taken when needing GH release. I would recommend Casein as the protien of choice for a night time shake because it digest more slowly, add in 5 -10 grams of fish / flax oil also to blunt insulin release by slowing digestion which is also better to avoid catabolism later in the night.
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Good advice.

I know my Dymatize Elite 12hr has 6g of carbs/scoop, so I definitely wouldn't use that, but there are other Casein products that are lower.

I just think the easiest and best thing to do is not eat for 2hrs before bed and then take it.
 
ON casein is great. Virtually no carbs. Casein is definitely an acquired taste though.

Just had a great workout with my new girl. She is pretty strong! She did a DC set of barbell curls with me, she used the 50 lb'er! I was impressed... that's like nearly 1/2 her bodyweight. Been drinking the BC+EAA. Love the stuff. It's texture is perfect for the gym, I feel like I am still hydrating myself when I drink it, rather than that sugary sweet tackiness that other intra-workout drinks give me.
 
GMG760 said:
Just had a great workout with my new girl. She is pretty strong! She did a DC set of barbell curls with me, she used the 50 lb'er! I was impressed... that's like nearly 1/2 her bodyweight. Been drinking the BC+EAA. Love the stuff. It's texture is perfect for the gym, I feel like I am still hydrating myself when I drink it, rather than that sugary sweet tackiness that other intra-workout drinks give me.
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You really dissapoint me. I thought you just screwed her and you were bragging.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Depends on the shake. Whey protien breaks down relatively fast and can also cause an insulin release. Great for post workout, not so great for bed time. Not bad just not the best choice. Check the amount of carbs in it also. Syntha 6 and some others are relatively high in carbs and sugar to be optimally taken when needing GH release. I would recommend Casein as the protien of choice for a night time shake because it digest more slowly, add in 5 -10 grams of fish / flax oil also to blunt insulin release by slowing digestion which is also better to avoid catabolism later in the night.
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Thanks for the advise MrKleen! Really appreciate it. Will look into casein some more. Just using Revolution's WHEY atm. Will dose the IGH-1 on an empty stomach from here on :)

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Music to destroy PR's to.
 
haha awesome
 
Irish Cannon said:
Danggg boiiiii. He's back tooooooo
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Hahaha yup for a little bit! After the enxt 4 weeks i should be back fulltime for the most part!

Ok enough cluttering your log with needless banter GMG haha onto the GH product that will take the industry by storm! :bling:
 
3clipseGT said:
Hahaha yup for a little bit! After the enxt 4 weeks i should be back fulltime for the most part!

Ok enough cluttering your log with needless banter GMG haha onto the GH product that will take the industry by storm! :bling:
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Hey man, when it get's here it's all business. Till then, just entertain yourselves as you will. I am probably gonna put a note on the first post explaining the issues with the delivery and where the actual "log starts" so if people don't want to read through the comedy, they can skip ahead.
 
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