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First Injectable: TestE kicked with Superdrol

So nos it sounds like weeks 5-7 on test were really nice?

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UnrealMachine said:
So nos it sounds like weeks 5-7 on test were really nice?

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more-so 6-8, i felt like gains really slowed down by week 10, but then i incorporated Havoc which added some good strength but i wasnt able to maintain the 5 extra pounds it gave me the last 4 weeks leading into PCT.

25lb weight gain aint too shabby.


for future long cycles i will add in different compounds towards the end to boost gains better as they slow down


edit: whooooooooa i just noticed that everyones rep power dropped, wtf?

EDIT #2: nvm, it shows how many reps u can give ppl, not how many u HAVE
 
Yeah i'm running 19-nor "tren" for the last 4 weeks (maybe 5 since it's nonmethyl, or 4 @ high dose) to lean out towards the end and solidify the gains. Starting that stuff on week 11 so it should work perfectly.

And i'm jacking the test to 900mg ew for weeks 8,9,10. So if it slows down after 8, perfect... it'll be up to 900 and then "tren" thrown in.

I shouldn't have acted so disappointed, i mean i do feel good now (fingers crossed regarding my elbows), and like i said vascularity is doing better.
 
about .25mg eod now. i don't think so.
 
If the letro is still at .25mg/day that might be adding to the joint pain also. Estrogen is actually great for the joints so just use enough AI to keep the nips in check.
 
Day 36 235 (+15)

A few updates

*been busy
*may miss lifting tomorrow
*got my diet down today, got my appetite going again (t.y. weed)
*235 solid today and time to start the ascension back up
*started getting sick but i'm about to bitch slap this sickness so hard it never bothers me again. I always start to get sick and my immune system always prevails, i just need sleep, plenty of food/fulids and vitamins.


Did a low volume workout today, i felt really good. I actually feel alot more flexible since coming off SD, like it had my body really loaded up and inflexible. Well, back when my weight was exploding i was eating more than now, i was eating around 4K calories a day but gained a lot of bloat. Now i've been going a little lower but like i've said i dropped a ton of water weight. I cut my carbs down and in retrospect, I think that's why i lost a lot of water weight. My carbs have been staying generally under 250g a day. When i started out they were closer to 1:1 with protein which is around 350g. I usually figure fat as hovering around 100g.

Sometimes I feel i only need a couple sets, because I only ever have 1 failure-based set, the rest are just acclimation sets. With low volume i drop more acclimation sets in favor of having more energy to push hard with the heavy weight.

Day 36 Legs (low volume)

squats: 225*8, 315*8, 365*5
365*5 is a PR. 345*8 is a better set but i've never done this well at 365 before. Felt real strong, felt more solid, my form was really nice too. I wish more people would squat all the way down... (i mean a hair below parallel, deeper than that isn't good for me) anyone can sacrifice ROM for weight.

stiff legged deadlift: 225*8, 275*6, 335*6
335*6 was heavy but i felt like i could have done another 20 pounds no problems, felt strong

calve raises on smithpress: (2 plates)*25, (3 plates)*20, (4 plates)*15
not bad, went slower than usual. I put my toes on a board for elevation. i have superb form with these, i never seen anyone else do a calve exercise that looks like it works as well as these do. Had some veins popping from my calves, i love it.​
 
not trying to tell you your business or anything but id taper off the letro completely...im not a fan of letro on a bulk
 
I wouldn't use letro but I have to. I'm getting puffy nipples. I'd rather have a cycle with 0 gains than have gyno.
 
I read the whole log, finally... I'm shocked at the gains the first few weeks. I've been inspired to jump with sd instead of dbol!
 
Day 37 235 (+15)

Mooch i don't have adex, just low-dose letro. Don't worry though my estrogen isn't too low, it's just low enough to prevent my nipples from being sensitive and developing gyno. Right now they are just slightly puffy but no tenderness or sensitivity thanks to taking letro .25mg EOD, it isn't very much.

Anyway day 37 was yesterday and i wasn't able to lift, too busy.
 
Day 38 236 (+16)

Today is back on schedule i'm about to head to the gym to hit back and chest

weigh in at 236 so i'm started going up again

I guess i'm just operating on Testosterone now, I feel pretty solid... I'll update this soon.

chest/back

incline bench: 135*10, 205*8, 225*8, 245*5
down about 20 pounds, abysmal

bent over rows: 185*8, 205*8, 225*8, 245*8
just wider than shoulder width grip. Last set was hard but good

flat dumbell flys: 60*6, 65*6, 70*6, 75*5
these were pretty good, nice weight

pulldowns: 170*8, 180*8, 190*8, 140*12​

Workout was disappointing. While i felt strong at flys and bent over rows, my incline press was just bad.

With SD, my incline press jumped from 225*5 --> 265*5. Now after being off superdrol it is back down to 245*5. This means that Testosterone has done a piss-poor job of maintaining strength from Superdrol.

I really hope this test gets better because nothing makes me feel like **** more than losing 20 pounds on my bench in about a week, while being on cycle. This isn't going according to my plan.
 
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UnrealMachine said:
I really hope this test gets better because nothing makes me feel like **** more than losing 20 pounds on my bench in about a week, while being on cycle. This isn't going according to my plan.
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if i skip one day of chest, the next time i train it my weight goes down a good 20 or so pounds whether on or off cycle.....dont be too put down from it
 
Day 39 234 (+14)

off day
 
Day 40 235 (+15)

Last few days i've been pretty tired. Still struggling to eat enough calories and struggling to maintain my weight. My muscles still feel "solid" but hardness is considerably less than when i was on the Superdrol.

My libido is down. There's no more random erections. At this point I cannot notice any sort of "on" feeling. I hope my test wasn't fake, although i'm fairly certain it isn't and my dose is high enough to counter for any underdosing.

My partner and I decided to try some more volume based training, which is not how i usually train. The idea here is just hypertrophy and muscular fatigue. If i train volume and eat enough I should grow...

Biceps/Triceps/Forearms (volume based)

standing ez bar curls: 95*10, 95*10, 95*10, 95*10, 95*8, 95*8, 95*8, 95*6, 95*6, 95*10

cable pushdowns: 100*10, 100*10, 100*10, 100*10, 100*10, 100*8, 100*8, 100*8

weighted rope rollups: (done until too difficult to continue)*5​

this caused my arms to swell with blood to the point where my wrists and grip couldn't operate very well. It felt like this **** should make me sore.

Oh that's another thing. I am VERY sore from the last chest/back workout. On SD i wasn't getting very sore, now that it's gone i really notice the soreness. That means my recovery is down. That's not good news. I'm at the end of week 6 and instead of building on gains from Superdrol I am just losing them. Not very happy. I got 1 week to go before I jack the test to 900mg, and 3 weeks staying there. I think 3 weeks at 900mg will allow me to determine exactly wtf this test is doing.
 
holy crap...i just thought of this....what if you dont respond to test too?....lol...bro seriously tho...the gains wont come as quick as with the super but you should definately feel "on" by now...your on week 4 or 5 right...mabye you got some bunk test man...there sure is a lot of it out there...
 
mooch2321 said:
holy crap...i just thought of this....what if you dont respond to test too?....lol...bro seriously tho...the gains wont come as quick as with the super but you should definately feel "on" by now...your on week 4 or 5 right...mabye you got some bunk test man...there sure is a lot of it out there...
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end of week 6.

the idea that i don't respond to test terrifies me. Cuz I know that most of the PH/DS i've tried just didn't effect me much if at all, even at doses that should.

I dunno man. I'll find out over the next few weeks. I guess i'm just kinda bummed, but I don't want to let that mental factor **** up my gains. Mind >> matter and my mind says: "get bigger."
 
its very strange that ur losing weight as well as strength. from what ive heard about the line ur running it should be g2g. just bump to 900mg/week asap and see if that has any effect.

25lbs in 4 weeks is awesome, but to lose 10lbs in a week or so after superdrol while being on test should not happen. how has ur diet been lately?
 
bro, keep on training hard, dont let the loss of gains effect your training......keep your head up and see if bumping the test up to 900 works! everyone is diff
 
damn im here.......8 pages and a month later.... :trout:

Nice gains so far. I didnt get to read the whole log yet, just skimmed. What lab is the test from again?
 
Mate i'm doing almost the exact same cycle as you and have noticed the exact same thing. I started with sd at 10/20/20/20 (600mgs a week of test e) and had great gains while waiting for the test to kick in, I am now in week 7 and just barely holding on to the weight that superdrol gave me..... Wondering if superdrol down regulates your receptors so much that the test no longer has any effect???? I dunno, maybe some other guys who have run super with test can drop in with some info/experiences....
 
i have an idea that just came to me on how this is happening with the sd and teste.

ready? well masteron binds hard to shbg and there for it frees up test (alot like proviron), now if superdrol is methylated masteron then these effects may be even stronger than the parent compound masteron. Coming off of the sdrol could cause some sort of rebound causing alot of the Test that you are injecting to be 'bound' by shbg instead of being Free. Free test levels is what you want for muscle building. Just an idea but its an educated one. Id like to hear what others think....

You could supplement a free test booster such as divanil
 
My diet had spots in it but over the last few days I've been working hard to move up in weight like I could do on SD and my weight just isn't staying. On SD i wake up in the morning and i'm hardly down any weight, now I wake up and see lower #s everyday and I have to eat and eat to break even...

It's interesting to see that someone else has results like me. Did the SD cause this... I don't know. Pistonpump there may be validity to that, BUT, i do know that when a compound is methylated it isn't just made stronger but it's characteristics change drastically. For instance the methylated form of EQ is Dbol.

I am really not sure... if the test is overly bound by SHBG then that should stabilize pretty soon and the test should start working? I am on day 41 and ended SD on day 30 or so, so it should be about done clearing my system.

yes my gear should be g2g. I guess i will come to the bottom of this by going up to 900mg right now. Nothing should prevent 900mg ew from affecting me properly.

I'll pin MWF for the next 3 weeks. Starting right now. I love pinning lol, i look forward to it.
 
unreal stay calm and don't worry is your strength being affected? Just keep liftng HARD i'm like you and mind can really affect my gains. Out of all the compounds in the world that have non responders i never believed test would be. I can see you not responding to designers and etc but test is test. If you have enough your going to grow so maybe your need 900mg give it a go just don't let up on diet or training and don't get discouraged.
 
heavyiron said:
what day are you on with the test? remind me, what ester.
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Day 41. Enanthate. 600mg ew.

mixedup said:
unreal stay calm and don't worry is your strength being affected? Just keep liftng HARD i'm like you and mind can really affect my gains. Out of all the compounds in the world that have non responders i never believed test would be. I can see you not responding to designers and etc but test is test. If you have enough your going to grow so maybe your need 900mg give it a go just don't let up on diet or training and don't get discouraged.
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Yeah. I agree man, i don't want to let my mind destroy my gains. I'm going to operate under the assumption that the Test is working and I just need to eat more. Worst case scenario is I gain fat.
 
The E should be hitting you full boat at this time. I don't know anything about SD but if it's anything like anadrol it may cause a drop in strength when discontinuing it. It sucks not to know if the E is real or not.

I wish you could find out what your estradiol is. Could you skip a couple doses of letro?
 
heavyiron said:
The E should be hitting you full boat at this time. I don't know anything about SD but if it's anything like anadrol it may cause a drop in strength when discontinuing it. It sucks not to know if the E is real or not.

I wish you could find out what your estradiol is. Could you skip a couple doses of letro?
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Yes. I haven't taken any since Friday anyway. I'll stop for a bit. Since Friday I haven't seen any puffiness or sensitivity in my nips.
 
UnrealMachine said:
Yes. I haven't taken any since Friday anyway. I'll stop for a bit. Since Friday I haven't seen any puffiness or sensitivity in my nips.
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Obviously you want to be careful not to get gyno but man, losing weight and libido seems like estro is too low if the test is real.
 
Day 42 233 (+13)

Weight isn't high but that solid feeling was there ANNDD.... actually had a great workout today. Just trained the way I usually train, hit it hard and heavy and it felt great. I did back so my bi's got very pumped, felt like a greater pump than I could attain naturally, so my spirits are a bit high. I'm just not sure why my weight has been so low.

Day 42 Back

bent over rows: 135*10, 225*6, 245*6, 265*6
265 is a PR, last couple reps were tough but good enough

lat pull downs: 190*6, 190*6, 200*6, 210*6
good as well, 210 can just about suspend me so it's more like 230.

close grip cable rows: 150*10, 170*8, 190*8

one arm machine rows: 150*10, 170*10, 190*10
these have the same form as one-arm dumbell rows​

anyway i'm looking forward to the next couple injections
 
Hopefully you can get back on track with everything.., that really sucks that you were up 25lbs coming off the SD and now in week 6 to 7 only up 13 pounds. But stay focused and you'll be fine..

Up your dose like you said and then you will know for sure what is going on..
 
I don't see where everyone gets pissed about a 15 pound gain. That is a very solid gain if you ask me. People that gain like 30 pounds on cycle are obviously very far away from there genetic potential and should have waited longer to do sauce. Not many people actualluy wait though. It so tempting to just take something and get immediate gains.
 
hman85 said:
I don't see where everyone gets pissed about a 15 pound gain. That is a very solid gain if you ask me. People that gain like 30 pounds on cycle are obviously very far away from there genetic potential and should have waited longer to do sauce. Not many people actualluy wait though. It so tempting to just take something and get immediate gains.
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Most of my gains are fat though. I didn't want to post pictures because it's embarrassing... I blew up with bloat and then shrank back down and it's left me just bit stronger but with a way thicker layer of flab around my waist. I've gained little muscle.

Easy to get pissed when i look better in my before pictures.


You are right though, people gaining tons and tons probably aren't "at the level" for steroids. I'm just disappointed that I've never reacted too well to most steroids, I was hoping that by now I'd be up a bit more, and be quite a bit stronger. Just the fact that I lost about half of the Superdrol gains immediately says enough... I expected more from the test, and earlier. Whatever, 900mg is about a gram, and i'm going to grow on that... i'm going to get bigger, i'm reaching these goals, haha... **** everything.

i did take pictures a few days after SD but they came out like crap... i guess it's mostly the lighting but you can see i look better in my before pictures

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And now i'm barely over 230 :twak:
 
UnrealMachine said:
Most of my gains are fat though. I didn't want to post pictures because it's embarrassing... I blew up with bloat and then shrank back down and it's left me just bit stronger but with a way thicker layer of flab around my waist. I've gained little muscle.

Easy to get pissed when i look better in my before pictures.


You are right though, people gaining tons and tons probably aren't "at the level" for steroids. I'm just disappointed that I've never reacted too well to most steroids, I was hoping that by now I'd be up a bit more, and be quite a bit stronger. Just the fact that I lost about half of the Superdrol gains immediately says enough... I expected more from the test, and earlier. Whatever, 900mg is about a gram, and i'm going to grow on that... i'm going to get bigger, i'm reaching these goals, haha... **** everything.

i did take pictures a few days after SD but they came out like crap... i guess it's mostly the lighting but you can see i look better in my before pictures

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And now i'm barely over 230 :twak:
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You know, Unreal, if it's any consolation, you look damn good just the way you are. You have a nice solid frame at 6'1"/220-230lbs. Very good muscular symetry - good mass. You really don't need to get any bigger....but that's just my opinion...
 
haha, you guys are great. I am proud but I always want more. I did get here quickly in just a few years of lifting so I expected to get a lot more out of genetics. My gains really have slowed recently but I know I can always gain muscle (I *am* gaining muscle now) it's just that the gains are accompanied by fat gains, necessitating a cutting phase and basically just slowing me down a lot.

Another reason I'm not satisfied is that because I grew muscle so easily, my strength level is extremely low for my size. Clearly I have a big chest, but as you saw my last set of incline bench was 245*5 and that means I barely got the 5th rep. I know it's not really important to have to do stupid amounts of weight in terms of bodybuilding, I have just always aspired to bigger strength #s.

Way I see it is i'm just getting started. I'm young.
 
hey unreal....i just posted something like this in my last post in my log......im guessing your a guy looking for mostly size, not strength right? dont get me wrong, getting stronger does cause more size, but dont worry about the weight your lifting. just worry about your form, working the muscle, and not your ego....some guys that are 160lbs can out lift me in some things, but iam 50lbs bigger, leaner and veins coming out of my ass (not litteraly of course lol).....take a look at tony freeman, he has GREAT arms and he only does preacher curls with 30lbs on a EZ bar.....it just tells you what "working" the muscle really does and not working your ego.......and the best part is you can avoid injuries!.....just my 2 cents.....
 
If its any consellation I'm on a very similar cycle, just using more Test and I'm gain 7KG in 4 weeks, but most of it looks/feels like fat/bloat. So after pics are very discouraging.

I think you'll find 900-1000mg much better. I know people on here go 'ah its too much' but frankly, not every grows on 500mg. I've seen guys at there genetic limit not to a whole lot at that amount (in their early 20's), and need to up it. I think its a combination of having good testosterone levels in your 20's already, coupled with solid training underlying you're existing base.

I've heard heresay that Arnold gained 30lbs on his first cycle, but what was the cycle? I mean, it was probably 600-1000mg of test a week and a whole shitload of Dbol, for quite some time.

I'm adjusting my diet at present and trying to up the cardio to try and lose some fat whilst still growing. I'm glad to be off the SD, couldn't run very well on it. I'm moving to Deca for a few weeks shortly, and considering winny/tren to end the cycle. Have you're plans now changed for use of any other compounds?
 
yeah i didnt get the 500mg ew is more than enough thing. With how everyone reacts differently to compounds, test is the same imo. I dont know why but some guys take test very well and some guys need more, maybe its genetic limit idk. I like over 750mg myself, 1g is optimal i think for me as long as i can keep the gyno away. Also with test you will get the bloat and sometimes think its fat or the other way around. This is better imo then using too much AI to look drier....you will shed it later so you should get the most out of it (aromatizing) as you can get away with. You will make more lean gains under all that that way. JMO.
 
Unreal, you are a true inspiration to many of us. You are huge and very lean for your size and age. I'm OCD all the way and no matter what I look like I still get discouraged with either my body fat and mainly my strength. I have a very good frame and less than 10% body fat but I can never be satisfied. I'm sure that's why you look the way you do. Keep your head up man and make us proud. The gains will come back. You just have to focus on one day at a time. You may have gained some fat but it's certainly not significant. Your abs are still visible and all the retention will subside post cycle. Keep it rollin' man.
You've gotten me so stocked for my Superdrol run. I'm gonna eat so much food post cycle and lift as heavy as I can to try and retain what strength gains I get. I care way more about strength than size but I know they go hand in hand.

You are in complete control. Alot of this hobby we love so much is mental. Only think postive bro. Cheers :cheers: Tear it up.........:firedevil:
 
Have you thought about upping your kcals? I'm surprised no one has mentioned this yet. If you're really up 15 lbs of muscle, your caloric needs just for maintenance have gone up considerably, and you're looking to grow. Gotta have that caloric surplus.
 
Reason I haven't upped calories is that most of the 15 pounds is fat. If i were gaining all muscle then I would stuff down more food to maximize those gains. But if my caloric excess leads to majority fat gain, then more calories will just go mostly into fat.
 
Day 43 230 (+10)

I don't know why I can't get my weight to hold up. Yesterday my diet was pretty spot-on. My protein count was 385g.

Day 43 Legs

squats: 225*8, 315*6, 335*6
about hit failure on the last rep

front squats: 135*8, 185*8, 205*6

stiff legged deadlift: 225*6, 315*6, 335*6

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Yesterday's back workout was great.
Today's leg workout was crap. Just crap. My squats were about the same as pre-cycle. I did *much* better a week ago... and I was actually psyched for squats today, i figured if i could do 365*5 last week then i'd get the 6th rep this week, instead i could barely get 335 for 6.

Just kinda pissed off now, obviously it just means SD based gains are going down the drain... and then how'd i get a good back workout yesterday... None of this makes any sense.

Oh and my libido is still significantly DOWN from when i was on SD. I think it may be lower than pre-cycle. All I can say is WTF.
 
bb4life said:
bad test? way underdosed?
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This is the reason i'm opting to brew up my own for my first run. You can do melting point tests on raw ingredients but once its in oil you have to trust some company/person that may be shady. Libido being lower than pre cycle definitely seems shady to me.

It also saves a lot of cash for very little work. I'm no guru but i'll try to answer if you have any questions.:food:
 
Smiley said:
This is the reason i'm opting to brew up my own for my first run. You can do melting point tests on raw ingredients but once its in oil you have to trust some company/person that may be shady. Libido being lower than pre cycle definitely seems shady to me.

It also saves a lot of cash for very little work. I'm no guru but i'll try to answer if you have any questions.:food:
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You're 170lb and going to cycle????
 
Got sick and lost a lil weight and training time recently. Not everyones goals are bbing related. I could care a less about how big my chest looks or getting 20" arms. Maybe the sig gives a lil hint.
 
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