First Injectable: TestE kicked with Superdrol
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UnrealMachine
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almost 2 weeks ago. shouldn't take so long because i should already be up to 600mg stable so adding that last bit shouldn't take long at all to increase
UnrealMachine
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day 52 235 +15
bunch of abdominal training followed by light cardio
bunch of abdominal training followed by light cardio
UnrealMachine
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day 53 235 +15
Chest
i won't spend much time writing this workout down. This workout was absolutely abysmal and i'm still trying to mentally recover from the shock and anger of such a terrible workout.
My strength was a rep or so weaker than PRE-cycle.
Chest
bench: 185*10, 225*8, 275*6, 295*3
incline: 185*10, 205*8, 225*5
db flys: 60*6, 70*6, 75*6
incline db flys: 40*10, 45*8, 50*6
I have no words for this, no excuses at all. It just seems that every ounce of strength I have gained on Superdrol has dried up and I'm weaker and fatter than when i started this cycle. But my squats just went up. I thought this test was doing something... it still makes me feel good and pumped in the gym. But my libido is still down. I have no idea what's going on. I'm very confused. I've begun considering wild, wild possibilities like my test actually being deca or 100mg/mL prop. And then there's always my #1 concern that I don't respond to test just like I don't respond to all the orals I've tried.
I can't help but feel like I disappoint the readers. No matter how disappointed you are, I am more disappointed.
Chest
i won't spend much time writing this workout down. This workout was absolutely abysmal and i'm still trying to mentally recover from the shock and anger of such a terrible workout.
My strength was a rep or so weaker than PRE-cycle.
Chest
bench: 185*10, 225*8, 275*6, 295*3
incline: 185*10, 205*8, 225*5
db flys: 60*6, 70*6, 75*6
incline db flys: 40*10, 45*8, 50*6
I have no words for this, no excuses at all. It just seems that every ounce of strength I have gained on Superdrol has dried up and I'm weaker and fatter than when i started this cycle. But my squats just went up. I thought this test was doing something... it still makes me feel good and pumped in the gym. But my libido is still down. I have no idea what's going on. I'm very confused. I've begun considering wild, wild possibilities like my test actually being deca or 100mg/mL prop. And then there's always my #1 concern that I don't respond to test just like I don't respond to all the orals I've tried.
I can't help but feel like I disappoint the readers. No matter how disappointed you are, I am more disappointed.
UnrealMachine
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think your just psyching yourself out mentally? Good luck on libido/cycle bro.
The mental factor should have helped, i went in there with high confidence ready to push some good weight and it just didn't happen.
My strength is usually directly proportional to my muscle mass, so **** isn't looking so good.
The other thing is my flatlined weight gain. I've been waking up around 230-233 and getting a mid-day weigh in of 235 and eating myself up to about 238-240 before going to sleep, and waking up everyday back down where i started. No weight gains... With Superdrol, eating habits like this tend to cause consistent weight gain. Something just isn't working.
With my shot sex drive i'm leaning towards a conclusion that I'm not even shooting Testosterone. Which basically means I should scrap this cycle. I don't know what to say. ****.
nosnmiveins
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PM coming ur way Unreal
UnrealMachine
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Well i've been recovering and now i'm about fully recovered, just have to blow my nose a few times a day. My strength should be increasing to parallel my recovery.
I'm just starting to conclude that whatever I'm shooting isn't testosterone, and my biggest reason for this conclusion is my shot-to-**** libido.
I'm just pretty upset cuz my source has been nothing but positive referrals even the peeps on this board i've talked to all said it's GTG.
I'm going to shoot more of this stuff off to see what it can do and try to obtain some Prop from another source.
UnrealMachine
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Day 54 232 +12
so weight was a little low today, that's what i was talking about with weight gain, it seems I eat so much only to try to maintain at 235
anyway i had a good workout, I mean the pump is most certainly there. My weights lifted were good, but really not increased. IDK, i'm still very unsure of my situation.
Day 54 biceps/triceps
db curls: 60*8, 65*6, 70*6, 75*6, 80*6
well, the 75's i swing a little, and with the 80's my form degenerates into hammer curls with some swing necessary
weighted dips: +100*10*4
got a full 4 sets of 10 reps, it's not bad
standing ez bar curls: 115*6, 135*6, 155*5
exactly the same as i've been doing
reverse grip ez bar curls (standing): 115*8, 115*8, 115*10
pretty good
tricep pushdowns: 100*10, 110*10, 120*10
love the feel of the pushdowns
This workout isn't bad at all. I did have a good pump going. Obviously i feel like 900mg of test should deliver more though.
My assumption now is that whatever I'm shooting is anabolic but it's not testosterone. Obviously I feel pretty stupid running a log trying to showcase the effects of testosterone to a primarily oral-using board, only to realize so very late in the cycle that my gear is probably screwed. I guess my lesson learned is that it's hard to trust any gear no matter how many people say it's G2G.
so weight was a little low today, that's what i was talking about with weight gain, it seems I eat so much only to try to maintain at 235
anyway i had a good workout, I mean the pump is most certainly there. My weights lifted were good, but really not increased. IDK, i'm still very unsure of my situation.
Day 54 biceps/triceps
db curls: 60*8, 65*6, 70*6, 75*6, 80*6
well, the 75's i swing a little, and with the 80's my form degenerates into hammer curls with some swing necessary
weighted dips: +100*10*4
got a full 4 sets of 10 reps, it's not bad
standing ez bar curls: 115*6, 135*6, 155*5
exactly the same as i've been doing
reverse grip ez bar curls (standing): 115*8, 115*8, 115*10
pretty good
tricep pushdowns: 100*10, 110*10, 120*10
love the feel of the pushdowns
This workout isn't bad at all. I did have a good pump going. Obviously i feel like 900mg of test should deliver more though.
My assumption now is that whatever I'm shooting is anabolic but it's not testosterone. Obviously I feel pretty stupid running a log trying to showcase the effects of testosterone to a primarily oral-using board, only to realize so very late in the cycle that my gear is probably screwed. I guess my lesson learned is that it's hard to trust any gear no matter how many people say it's G2G.
UnrealMachine
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i have no confirmation on the vials. I kept assuming the source is good cuz i've only heard positive feedback but obviously not huh.
My recognition of the situation was probably a little delayed because I just assume that I respond like **** to steroids bc of my experience with orals. Obvoiusly running test like this, i should be getting some strength gains tho... God i really thought i had the strength gains that one day... I'm just so confused.
Only way to end the confusion is to get some legit **** and shoot it down so i have something to compare to.
Frank Reynolds
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It can't be test, or severely under dosed.. You are going to respond to test.. BELIEVE that.
Id get some prop like you have planned.
Id get some prop like you have planned.
mooch2321
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i know this is the last thing you want to hear right now....but i thought it was funny so mabye you will get a laugh out of it.....sources are like as$holes...everyone has one and sometimes their dirty.....lol
UnrealMachine
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It's all good i can deal with the truth and it's a lot better than my previous thinking, that i somehow don't respond to this ****, haha.
Ok, going to get some prop and finish this out... And I got 2 bottles of "tren" to pop, so there is some excitement left to look forward to.
Ok, going to get some prop and finish this out... And I got 2 bottles of "tren" to pop, so there is some excitement left to look forward to.
pistonpump
Banned
4 weeks? come on guys do your homework. You cant be expecting gains that soon with long esters.
Seems like alot of people get dissappointed when they run test injectables. If you research good you should know what to expect, dont just listen to the guy who blew up 30lbs or whatever. Im not saying your gear is good or not unreal because really i dont know but this brings me to another point.... know the source is good before you pick up, dont just go off a couple guys or whatever, you have to have a good amount of positive feedback or someone you really can trust who has ran it before. I see this trend lately where guys arent sure its good stuff or just expect way too much from test.
roid13
Member
very true point. i know that im not going to "blow" up right away on test E...im just paranoid due to the fact this is my first inject cycle and im just hearing things about bad batches, wrong vials, etc.....id bet everyone who did a long estered cycle for their first time was afraid of the same thing especially if its a new supplier.
bigzach1234
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if anyone wants to PM me ill let you know the ugl that this happened from.....the ending to the url is .in
pistonpump
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i had some serious problems with that same guy.
for sure. its a risk you take when you go UGL, even human grade is faked so you have to have a good guy that doesnt fck around like that.
mixedup
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that's why i never went UG and rarely human grade I went straight Vetinarian. People laugh now a days but back in the days and i'm sure oldtimers can attest to the the vet stuff that came up from Mexico was very very reliable. When I saw a big fat dog on the box of my vials i knew I was good to go.
UnrealMachine
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Day 55 233 (+13)
So i shot myself again today and I did yesterday as well as i want to go through some more of my oil. I'm really perplexed by what it is, because I'm getting some definite muscular hardness and improved pumps. Also i've been getting cramps a few times, sometimes at night... and when getting done with cardio my legs will cramp up. It's weird.
Anyway today was just core training followed by half hour of cardio not much to report outside of those cramps.
The deal is i'm going to try to get a bunch of prop. I'm also getting some HCG too because i figure I'll need to run the prop for 4-5 weeks to salvage something out of this cycle and that makes my cycle very long overall.
I also forgot to mention, the last couple weeks my workouts have been making me very sore. Usually anabolics (by this I mean those that work, I.E. Superdrol) decrease my proclivity of being sore. But i've been getting WAY sore from these workouts. It's weird.
So i shot myself again today and I did yesterday as well as i want to go through some more of my oil. I'm really perplexed by what it is, because I'm getting some definite muscular hardness and improved pumps. Also i've been getting cramps a few times, sometimes at night... and when getting done with cardio my legs will cramp up. It's weird.
Anyway today was just core training followed by half hour of cardio not much to report outside of those cramps.
The deal is i'm going to try to get a bunch of prop. I'm also getting some HCG too because i figure I'll need to run the prop for 4-5 weeks to salvage something out of this cycle and that makes my cycle very long overall.
I also forgot to mention, the last couple weeks my workouts have been making me very sore. Usually anabolics (by this I mean those that work, I.E. Superdrol) decrease my proclivity of being sore. But i've been getting WAY sore from these workouts. It's weird.
nosnmiveins
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this is strange to me. i find it VERY VERY VERY hard to get sore on cycle. i wish i WOULD get sore so i knew i was breaking down the muscle lol
UnrealMachine
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Yeah i mostly view it as a sign of the anabolics not working. in the height of Superdrol soreness barely exists. Right now i'm still WAY sore from my chest workout on Saturday and even my shoulders got hit just from the incline pressing.
It's weird though. I've got to be on SOMETHING. My arms when I flex them... damn my biceps are feeling hard. No way my muscles feel like this naturally. Haha, i'm so confused.
Nephilim said that 900mg of test should make me feel like a balloon and strong enough to break a house and that's not what i'm getting... not much water retention at all, i was more bloated just from the Superdrol.
It's weird though. I've got to be on SOMETHING. My arms when I flex them... damn my biceps are feeling hard. No way my muscles feel like this naturally. Haha, i'm so confused.
Nephilim said that 900mg of test should make me feel like a balloon and strong enough to break a house and that's not what i'm getting... not much water retention at all, i was more bloated just from the Superdrol.
UnrealMachine
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Man i've seriously gone through em...
EQ -- should be getting hungry, not happening
Deca -- explains my lack of libido but i'm not getting bloat and i'm not gaining weight
tren -- should be getting stronger
primo -- haha, maybe!
mast -- again a maybe
Basically what i'm getting doesn't fit anything much at all. I'm just saying it's not test because well "everyone responds to test" and i've just gone over 900mg a week (because i took an extra inject yesterday, i've pinned two days in a row) and i'm just not getting any ON feeling, my libido is in the crapper and i'm having trouble gaining weight.
Oh i've gotten a couple pimples on my face too. It's very unusual for me, no orals have caused it to a significant extent like this.
When I think about it, I think Master Prop @ 100mg/mL would be the best explanation. Would explain the muscular hardness and cramps after moving to 300mg/week. But mast is more expensive than Test Enanthate, why switch em. Heh... I'm just stumped here.
Frank Reynolds
Board Supporter
Mast. crossed my mind as well.. But really who knows.
Maybe NPP?
Damn near a G/week of test, you would for sure know it..haha
pistonpump
Banned
it sucks i keep seeing bad cycles going on around here.....its a shame.
Honda4500 you might want to edit your post about the PMs, its against board rules to talk about such things over PM as well might not want to point that out here.
Honda4500 you might want to edit your post about the PMs, its against board rules to talk about such things over PM as well might not want to point that out here.
UnrealMachine
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Day 56 234 (+14)
Damn. Well looks like I have something to look forward to if a G of test is that good. If I pin the prop ed i'll be at 700mg a week of prop which should be like 850 or so of enanthate... good enough
Anyway, day 56 i worked back today
I'd call it a pretty good workout. Particularly good on the T-bar rows.
Damn. Well looks like I have something to look forward to if a G of test is that good. If I pin the prop ed i'll be at 700mg a week of prop which should be like 850 or so of enanthate... good enough
Anyway, day 56 i worked back today
Day 56 Back
oldschool t-bar rows: 2plates*10, 3plates*10, 4plates*10, 5plates*10
terrific strength for me, was very pleased
wide grip pullups: bw*10, bw*9, bw*7
not bad
wide grip bent over rows: 185*8, 195*8, 205*8, 215*8
felt hard because I usually do bent over rows first but these still went well, they're way harder when i take a wide grip
close grip lat pulldowns: 150*8, 160*8, 170*6
yep hit failure these were difficult, i never do close grip
back extentions: +25*20
never done these before... whatever.
oldschool t-bar rows: 2plates*10, 3plates*10, 4plates*10, 5plates*10
terrific strength for me, was very pleased
wide grip pullups: bw*10, bw*9, bw*7
not bad
wide grip bent over rows: 185*8, 195*8, 205*8, 215*8
felt hard because I usually do bent over rows first but these still went well, they're way harder when i take a wide grip
close grip lat pulldowns: 150*8, 160*8, 170*6
yep hit failure these were difficult, i never do close grip
back extentions: +25*20
never done these before... whatever.
I'd call it a pretty good workout. Particularly good on the T-bar rows.
nosnmiveins
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i love me some t-bar rows. i usually get 5 plates. pulling them back is easy but keeping form perfect is a little difficult
UnrealMachine
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They're great. Mine have really increased a lot because i only started doing them a couple months ago and i've only done them maybe 6 times now. I was only getting 4 plates for about 4-6 reps at first.
Smiley
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Wow unreal i feel for you here. Your right to discount the test and deca. EQ should be close to the same concentration as test e, so 600-900mg/week should be giving you more gains than what your getting. Some people dont notice the hunger effect.
I think the mast or primo is the best explanation here, but the sensitive nips throw me again... At a dose that low of either should still give you muscle hardness, but shouldnt be able to hold superdrol gains.
Think on the bright side. When stacking prop with either of those you should feel great and still be able to salvage the entire cycle.:boobies:
Good luck with this
I think the mast or primo is the best explanation here, but the sensitive nips throw me again... At a dose that low of either should still give you muscle hardness, but shouldnt be able to hold superdrol gains.
Think on the bright side. When stacking prop with either of those you should feel great and still be able to salvage the entire cycle.:boobies:
Good luck with this
UnrealMachine
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Day 57 235 (+15)
Going to be an off day here. Spent 3 hours in a dark room doing spectroscopy and followed that up with a food run. And now I got work to do.
Still injected a mL today. As far as anabolic effects, i'm still feeling hard in my muscles. My libido feels pretty normal right now. And that's all I notice, nothing unusual happening and no nipple sensitivity despite not taking letro in quite a few days now. No bloat, no mental effects. I haven't been very hungry so i'll have to start forcefeeding.
Towards the beginning of the cycle i outlined a meal, which was ground turkey meat mixed with oats and stirfried with olive oil. I added spinach into that mix and it's great. I'm going to eat that everyday. I do it with almost 2 lbs of raw turkey each day so it's a good amount of food and certainly my main source of meat.
Going to be an off day here. Spent 3 hours in a dark room doing spectroscopy and followed that up with a food run. And now I got work to do.
Still injected a mL today. As far as anabolic effects, i'm still feeling hard in my muscles. My libido feels pretty normal right now. And that's all I notice, nothing unusual happening and no nipple sensitivity despite not taking letro in quite a few days now. No bloat, no mental effects. I haven't been very hungry so i'll have to start forcefeeding.
Towards the beginning of the cycle i outlined a meal, which was ground turkey meat mixed with oats and stirfried with olive oil. I added spinach into that mix and it's great. I'm going to eat that everyday. I do it with almost 2 lbs of raw turkey each day so it's a good amount of food and certainly my main source of meat.
pistonpump
Banned
last time i went grocery shoppin i picked up a pound of ground turkey......i dont think ill buy ground beef again. I believe the ground turkey was cheaper per lb than the 93% lean ground beef and boy was it tasty! I need to pick up some braggs seasoning, i got a free sample in the mail along with the braggs amino soy sauce, those kick sh1t up a notch. Ground turkey is really good imo, im gonna have to stock up on that.
jakellpet
Banned
I guess you got to make do with local sources, yeah?
I eat Kangaroo - it's not popular because of the game taste but that's nothing garlic doesnt sort out. 98% lean, cheap and apparently the highest natural source of CLA :thumbsup:
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pistonpump
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oh yes, ive been dying to try kangaroo for awhile now. Its just too expensive to be worth shipping here. I would rather get it at a restaurant or something. I believe its the highest protien per gram of any lean meat or meat in general....not 100% sure on that. ...i could run a search...
pistonpump
Banned
idk if i would want to eat a manatee...
angel77
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jakellpet
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I hear it's some good sh1t! The only thing is tradition says you can only catch the fkers with a spear, in Tiger Shark-infested waters! :bandit:
Sorry for the hijack Unreal.
angel77
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Dude, I host a cooking show and I LOVE all kinds of food. I'll try anything once. Manatee sounds f%*kin nuts! It's so fatty I wonder what the meat would taste like? Seafood? F*CK! Crazy!!
jakellpet
Banned
The Aborigine's go ape-sh1t for it - but as I said, the madness is in catching the fkn things.
Same with turtles. You have to spear it just behind the head, then jump on the back of it before it dives... it will drag you down as they are powerful swimmers, and you have to watch out for it's beak and claws which can slice you up. The trick is to invert them, which stops them swimming and makes them float up to the surface for some reason. Obviously the blood attracts sharks, but by tradition the crew will always take the catch on board before you... so it's like an initiation ceremony. Dude, I won't go into how the initiate young men into the tribes - it's where fkn Saw meets Hostel.
The way they cook it is basically bury the whole thing in embers - when dishing it out, the higher up the chain you are the less fatty bits you get... and that include the dude who caught it :thumbsup:
angel77
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I love it man! What an adventure! I'd be up for a trip like that anytime!!
pistonpump
Banned
shiiiiiiiii..... ill eat that mofo! :food:
UnrealMachine
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Day 58 235 (+15)
Kangeroo and manatee, man all I can think is that sounds out of my budget
Yep Piston i've been loving ground turkey. Costco here sells it at 2.29 a pound which is reasonably priced enough for me, it is pretty lean, tastes great and can be prepared in a number of ways. I used to rely more on chicken but i've felt better operating solely on the turkey... the chicken i was getting was cheaper but full of fat.
I've had trouble eating enough food, just haven't been hungry, so I am starting to forcefeed. Makes me feel like crap to be honest, and makes me want to stop bulking. I haven't been thirsty either, i've been getting dehydrated and I have to force myself to chug water, and that really takes my stomach to its limits. I really think the problem is i haven't been smoking enough weed, it helps me with food and hydration more than I can explain.
Anyway I hit shoulders quickly today before a meeting:
Ah, mediocre workout at best. Muscles are feeling so hard. Just the upright rows gave me a great bicep pump. Strength was crap
Kangeroo and manatee, man all I can think is that sounds out of my budget
Yep Piston i've been loving ground turkey. Costco here sells it at 2.29 a pound which is reasonably priced enough for me, it is pretty lean, tastes great and can be prepared in a number of ways. I used to rely more on chicken but i've felt better operating solely on the turkey... the chicken i was getting was cheaper but full of fat.
I've had trouble eating enough food, just haven't been hungry, so I am starting to forcefeed. Makes me feel like crap to be honest, and makes me want to stop bulking. I haven't been thirsty either, i've been getting dehydrated and I have to force myself to chug water, and that really takes my stomach to its limits. I really think the problem is i haven't been smoking enough weed, it helps me with food and hydration more than I can explain.
Anyway I hit shoulders quickly today before a meeting:
Day 58 Shoulders
Military press: 105*8, 155*8, 175*6, 195*5, 215*2
man that 215 was sooo heavy
dumbell shrugs: 100*30*3
decided to hit traps with dumbells but the DB selection necessitated more reps
upright rows: 135*8, 115*10*3
i switched my form to a wide grip and did 115, felt way better
dumbell flys: lateral (32.5*12), front (32.5*15), rear (25*20)
not very good weight i fear
Military press: 105*8, 155*8, 175*6, 195*5, 215*2
man that 215 was sooo heavy
dumbell shrugs: 100*30*3
decided to hit traps with dumbells but the DB selection necessitated more reps
upright rows: 135*8, 115*10*3
i switched my form to a wide grip and did 115, felt way better
dumbell flys: lateral (32.5*12), front (32.5*15), rear (25*20)
not very good weight i fear
Ah, mediocre workout at best. Muscles are feeling so hard. Just the upright rows gave me a great bicep pump. Strength was crap
nosnmiveins
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ever since i learned that food is key to growth, i started force-feeding myself....now its just habbit to constantly eat throughout the day whether im hungry or not
UnrealMachine
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Just hard for me to keep eating when I've really only gained fat during this "cycle"
Without anabolics I can gain muscle but only at the cost of severe fat gains which is what's going on right now. Hopefully that prop will help me out. 700mg a week for 5-6 weeks or so, if it's working quickly and I can assess how well then I still have 2 bottles of T-roid i wanted to throw into the end of this cycle... so i can still salvage something out of this mess, unfortunately the SD was entirely wasted, it was supposed to be a jumpstart in gains and instead it was a big jump and plummet just like the last time I ran it.
Without anabolics I can gain muscle but only at the cost of severe fat gains which is what's going on right now. Hopefully that prop will help me out. 700mg a week for 5-6 weeks or so, if it's working quickly and I can assess how well then I still have 2 bottles of T-roid i wanted to throw into the end of this cycle... so i can still salvage something out of this mess, unfortunately the SD was entirely wasted, it was supposed to be a jumpstart in gains and instead it was a big jump and plummet just like the last time I ran it.
angel77
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You lost your gains last time you ran super as well? What would you attribute that to? PCT? Diet? Just curious. I want to salvage as much out of my Super run as possible. Cheers Unreal, I hope the prop does you right.