EvoMuse Presents: Epitome™

beerandon said:
I without a doubt gained fat. I don't think any supplement could counter the horrific things I put into my body. I was hoping it would level out or something but after a week I quit because it was so bad. Delicious but bad.
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I took my first dose today around 5 and really had a hard time controlling my food intake at dinner. It could be placebo as I'm not sure how fast this works, but hopefully when it really kicks in it effects me like Dsade...No hunger at all.
 
GreenMachineX said:
I took my first dose today around 5 and really had a hard time controlling my food intake at dinner. It could be placebo as I'm not sure how fast this works, but hopefully when it really kicks in it effects me like Dsade...No hunger at all.
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I think that's the process for most - hunger at first then it levels out great. It's a huge tool for me
 
dsade said:
AMPk can have a detrimental effect on forskolin's positive effects on fat loss and muscle, however there have been recent studies showing that chronic forskolin supplementation actually yields a net increase in AMPk activation.

Depending on how potent an AMPk activator we are talking, and what dose, it's probably wise to separate dosage.

SO something like Epitome, with its VERY hard AMPk hit, you would not take with Forskolin, but something like DCP with a milder hit you should be ok
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NoAddedHmones said:
Correct me if im wrong, if we are talking AMPK and cAMP in adipocytes, then an increase in cAMP increases the activation/phosphorylation state of AMPK with the end point of increasing lipolysis. So this would be of benefit for fat loss.
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I was about to pick up some forskolin to assist in my layoff/injury recovery for the next few weeks/months, but after reading this, I'll wait for more info.
 
pswain1 said:
That's sucks because I was about to stack oxymax xt with epitome. Oxymax xt has forskolin in it.
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there are obviously dissenting opinions....luckily enough you can pick up Forskolin cheap enough to do you own experiments. You can also separate dosage by 1-2 hours and be fine.
 
pswain1 said:
That's sucks because I was about to stack oxymax xt with epitome. Oxymax xt has forskolin in it.
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I take OxyMax XT and I have ran numerous bottles of Epitome. I take OxyMax XT at 730 AM and Epitome at 11 and 3. I think spacing them a few hours apart is plenty.
 
cubsfan815 said:
I take OxyMax XT and I have ran numerous bottles of Epitome. I take OxyMax XT at 730 AM and Epitome at 11 and 3. I think spacing them a few hours apart is plenty.
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Both just came in the mail, so I am going to start tomorrow. When do you take our second dose of oxymax xt. I like the idea of taking it at 7:00 and maybe another around 5 and epitome at 11 and 3. What do you think. I also have epic shr3d.
 
pswain1 said:
Both just came in the mail, so I am going to start tomorrow. When do you take our second dose of oxymax xt. I like the idea of taking it at 7:00 and maybe another around 5 and epitome at 11 and 3. What do you think. I also have epic shr3d.
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5 is decent, as long as it doesn't affect your sleep. Others just take both AM once you have tried 1 cap for a few days. I'm stim sensitive, so I keep mine spread out.
 
cubsfan815 said:
I believe some people had headache issues. The consensus was to increase water intake if I recall.
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That sounds vaguely familiar to me, too.

That said, I've not had problems with this (unless I did so far back and can't even remember it LOL).
 
MidwestBeast said:
That sounds vaguely familiar to me, too.

That said, I've not had problems with this (unless I did so far back and can't even remember it LOL).
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Ya know, I have bad tension headaches (like ones that put my eyes closed and force me to lay down until it relaxes). I am in no way of claiming it is Epitome that is the issue, I wouldnt have no way of knowing if its Epitome specifically considering it's not the only supplement I am taking right now. However, my bottle of epitome is gone tomorrow (last 2 pills), so I am curious to see if my tension headaches lessen.

I do sit at a computer all day for work, with admittedly not great posture. Pretty damn sure this is more-so my issue haha.

Edit: I'll also admit I am not great at consuming large quantities of water, so if needing to consume even more water while on it is needed, yep that isn't me lol.
 
Wimsicle said:
Ya know, I have bad tension headaches (like ones that put my eyes closed and force me to lay down until it relaxes). I am in no way of claiming it is Epitome that is the issue, I wouldnt have no way of knowing if its Epitome specifically considering it's not the only supplement I am taking right now. However, my bottle of epitome is gone tomorrow (last 2 pills), so I am curious to see if my tension headaches lessen.

I do sit at a computer all day for work, with admittedly not great posture. Pretty damn sure this is more-so my issue haha.

Edit: I'll also admit I am not great at consuming large quantities of water, so if needing to consume even more water while on it is needed, yep that isn't me lol.
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I've been on Epitome pretty much non-stop since it was released and if this ever happened to me, it definitely would have only been at the beginning. That said, I don't recall it, but it's also been years so I'm not going to definitively try to say no. I work a desk job and have only really had a few severe headaches/migraines ever, so definitely nothing consistent at all for me.
 
MidwestBeast said:
I've been on Epitome pretty much non-stop since it was released and if this ever happened to me, it definitely would have only been at the beginning. That said, I don't recall it, but it's also been years so I'm not going to definitively try to say no. I work a desk job and have only really had a few severe headaches/migraines ever, so definitely nothing consistent at all for me.
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Yep, I highly doubt its to do with Epitiome. I just thought I would put it out there since the question was asked. I am always dealing with cranial shifts and all sorts of neck up issues lol. My brother is a neuromuscular-skeletal med doc and finds it amazing and worrisome every time he works on my head lol.
 
Wimsicle said:
Yep, I highly doubt its to do with Epitiome. I just thought I would put it out there since the question was asked. I am always dealing with cranial shifts and all sorts of neck up issues lol. My brother is a neuromuscular-skeletal med doc and finds it amazing and worrisome every time he works on my head lol.
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Good connection to have in the family!

Definitely update after your bottle runs out; would be very interested to know if it subsides after or how it plays out.

Either way, I hope it get sorted for ya because the few times I've had those, I wanted to throw up and it was miserable. I don't know how people who have migraines on a regular basis can handle it.
 
MidwestBeast said:
Good connection to have in the family!

Definitely update after your bottle runs out; would be very interested to know if it subsides after or how it plays out.

Either way, I hope it get sorted for ya because the few times I've had those, I wanted to throw up and it was miserable. I don't know how people who have migraines on a regular basis can handle it.
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Some of the worst words I ever heard from a doctor were "you will most likely live with this for the rest of your life". I am making it my mission not to. Not only does it affect my day to day living from time to time, but it effects some of the people around me just because I am useless or half-assed when it happens.

I'll be sure to update! Even though once Epitome comes back in stock, i'll prob want to hop back on haha
 
I only started epitome on Saturday and the pain in my head (above right eye) started yesterday. I'd been running bmp and alphaburn prior to this and drinking 3-4L water per day.
I'm not pointing the finger at epitome, but seems a bit of a coincidence.
I'll give it another day or two and up my water...
 
I believe I read that there is a negative interaction between Epitome and Glucosamine. Is this true? If so, is Glucoasmine a no go, or can it be dosed strategically around Epitome?
 
Dirty Duke said:
I believe I read that there is a negative interaction between Epitome and Glucosamine. Is this true? If so, is Glucoasmine a no go, or can it be dosed strategically around Epitome?
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If you are sub 10% bodyfat, then you can incorporate Glucosamine. If over 20%, GLucosamine will be counter-productive to lowering your Leptin levels back within normal range and screw with your leptin sensitivity.
 
dsade said:
If you are sub 10% bodyfat, then you can incorporate Glucosamine. If over 20%, GLucosamine will be counter-productive to lowering your Leptin levels back within normal range and screw with your leptin sensitivity.
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Thanks for the feedback. I'm currently in the middle-zone of 15% body fat. Where does that leave me?
 
Dirty Duke said:
Thanks for the feedback. I'm currently in the middle-zone of 15% body fat. Where does that leave me?
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Honestly, that leaves you with Epitome not being the ideal choice for fat loss. You're within normal bodyfat levels, which is a strong indicator that your leptin system is likely also normal.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Depends, how big of a deal is it going to be? :0)
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The stack will be 69.99 + 6.50 Priority USPS

So basically 34.99 per product. Retail for Glycøshield is 44.99 so a $10 savings on our product :)

There will only be 50 total stacks available on a first come first serve basis, however dsade and i were talking about if we sell out before the weekend is over we may be able to add an additional limited quantity of stacks
 
chedapalooza said:
The stack will be 69.99 + 6.50 Priority USPS

So basically 34.99 per product. Retail for Glycøshield is 44.99 so a $10 savings on our product :)

There will only be 50 total stacks available on a first come first serve basis, however dsade and i were talking about if we sell out before the weekend is over we may be able to add an additional limited quantity of stacks
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Awesome and when is that kicking off?
 
Thanks!!!
 
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I know this isn't optimal for 15ish% bodyfat, but I ordered 2 cans for a reason. I'm following intermittent fasting protocol, eating window is around 6 hours. I need to keep refeeds at least once every 2 weeks because the fat loss stalls very quickly, and I really think this is leptin issue since the refeed (~8000kcal) seems to get me through the plateau, just that it gives me alot of extra calories to burn. So, going to try this now and would like to know the optimal dosing protocol for IF.
 
bonbon said:
I know this isn't optimal for 15ish% bodyfat, but I ordered 2 cans for a reason. I'm following intermittent fasting protocol, eating window is around 6 hours. I need to keep refeeds at least once every 2 weeks because the fat loss stalls very quickly, and I really think this is leptin issue since the refeed (~8000kcal) seems to get me through the plateau, just that it gives me alot of extra calories to burn. So, going to try this now and would like to know the optimal dosing protocol for IF.
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I really don't get why I see all the bro's saying that fat loss products are not optimal for people over 15%. NOTHING CHANGES, things slow down some the leaner you get, but the mechanics of fat loss are the same. When lower you actually have more working against you to drop fat. However something that enhances fat burning at sub 15% is still going to enhance fat burning at 35%. Probably even moreso...

What people mistake for not being optimal is that if you are 35% and lose 10lbs it may not be that noticeable, but if you are 15% and lose 7-8 lbs it is a huge visual difference. So a lot of people go off of visual effects, not the actual function of the supplement. Especially on a forum that makes a lot of money off of sponsors running logs. Logs that they want to be visually impressive... So this affects the opinions of all who are gaining information from this environment.

I could be wrong but I doubt that dsade or chedapalooza would disagree that the products are beneficial regardless of your current body fat level. Something that enhances fat burning and limits fat storage is going to help you lose fat at an accelerated pace regardless of your bodyfat percentage. The rest just has more to do with the fact the visual changes are more pronounced per lb lost the leaner you get.

Now that leads to the question is it needed when higher. No, but then again it is never needed it is a supplement. It is there to enhance your progress toward the goal, but not ever "needed". So if you want to enhance your fat burning then do so and don't be apologetic about it or worry about what others think regarding the nonsense 15% limit that is not based in science or results, but visual recognition of change.
 
The design of Epitome emphasizes normalization - normalization of Leptin levels vs Leptin sensitivity. At higher bodyfat levels, Leptin levels are high but sensitivity is low (which is why Leptin injections into the overweight subject didn't work).

As you approach 15%, you're likely balanced between normal leptin levels and normal leptin sensitivity, which is why Epitome won't have as dramatic an effect.
 
dsade said:
The design of Epitome emphasizes normalization - normalization of Leptin levels vs Leptin sensitivity. At higher bodyfat levels, Leptin levels are high but sensitivity is low (which is why Leptin injections into the overweight subject didn't work).

As you approach 15%, you're likely balanced between normal leptin levels and normal leptin sensitivity, which is why Epitome won't have as dramatic an effect.
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Ah I see, so the mode of action here is specific to leptin and leptin sensitivity. I can see how that actually matters. I just often get tired of people using the 15% thing in a very generic way. You see it all over the place... People use the argument with "cutting compounds" for gear, or thermogenics and stimulants. Things where it doesn't make any sense. I forgot the MOA of Epitome was leptin related. Has been a long time since I read the write up on it. Should have known to look again since it was from you and you tend to use a lot of out of the box ideas and MOA's with ingredients to get the desired effect. Your stuff is always cutting edge.
 
Yes
 
chedapalooza said:
I’m just waiting for epitome. Haven’t changed a thing supp, training, or nutrition except not having epitome for about 1.5 months now. Finally starting to see lower belly fat / water creep back a bit. I had to cut back on my Glycøshield and Lipøshield usage bc my calories can’t support it and I don’t want to up them. Never used dcp but definitely interested. Currently triple dosing my gut health while taking a hefty dose of amoxicillin for the flu
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MidwestBeast said:
I've been sans Epitome for a few months and can tell, also.
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I had picked up some to try out/assess how my body handled it. Based on my experiences with it, and the positive feedback of trusted members, it looks like I need to place a larger order for it, in preparation for Summer :).
 
dsade said:
The design of Epitome emphasizes normalization - normalization of Leptin levels vs Leptin sensitivity. At higher bodyfat levels, Leptin levels are high but sensitivity is low (which is why Leptin injections into the overweight subject didn't work).

As you approach 15%, you're likely balanced between normal leptin levels and normal leptin sensitivity, which is why Epitome won't have as dramatic an effect.
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dsade, so it almost sounds (if I understand your response correctly), is that Epitome is more effective above 15%?

EDIT: Which is fine by me as I am above 15% currently, around 17% - 18%. I can see the outline of my abs, but have visceral fat that I need to lose.
 
Thanks. Any bulk discounts? I am running low and want to stock up :).
 
If I'm waking at 7am, in gym by 9am, first meal at 12pm, with last meal at 10pm and in bed around 10:30. What are the two best times to dose?
 
Dirty Duke said:
If I'm waking at 7am, in gym by 9am, first meal at 12pm, with last meal at 10pm and in bed around 10:30. What are the two best times to dose?
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Which product? Epitome? Or the stack mentioned above?

Re Epitome, I would personally take 1 cap first thing and then around 1-2pm. If you have other supplements that require a "mid-afternoon" dose, then I would do your second dose then, and your first after you finish the gym.
 
Rosie Chee said:
Which product? Epitome? Or the stack mentioned above?

Re Epitome, I would personally take 1 cap first thing and then around 1-2pm. If you have other supplements that require a "mid-afternoon" dose, then I would do your second dose then, and your first after you finish the gym.
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Epitome. I do remember reading that you want to avoid taking it around your work outs and before bed.
 
Dirty Duke said:
Epitome. I do remember reading that you want to avoid taking it around your work outs and before bed.
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Dose at 11.30am then and then again around 2.30pm. As with everything, there is some leeway and sometimes there are benefits to experimenting with different dosing times, even if you start from the recommendations and go from there.
 
I just purchased 2 bottles simply for the all around health benefits of the betulinic acid. I make my own chaga tea but these will be very convenient in comparison. The orthosiphon and QBA are just an added benefit
 
dsade I noticed lately that I am keeping my waistline better under control, despite not being super careful about my dietary intake. I was taking Epitome and recently added in DCP. I am roughly 18% ~ 19% BF (per an Omron hand held, so take the measurement with a grain of salt). Which one do you think is more likely to be the one helping me to stay lean (or at least not get too fat), the Epitome or DCP? I didn't notice this effect when I was just on Epitome, but then the DCP showed up and I wanted to add it in (without giving enough consideration to letting Epitome run a little longer solo).

I also use Defuse a couple of times a week for cheat meals. Thanks!

Thanks!
 
Sparkss said:
dsade I noticed lately that I am keeping my waistline better under control, despite not being super careful about my dietary intake. I was taking Epitome and recently added in DCP. I am roughly 18% ~ 19% BF (per an Omron hand held, so take the measurement with a grain of salt). Which one do you think is more likely to be the one helping me to stay lean (or at least not get too fat), the Epitome or DCP? I didn't notice this effect when I was just on Epitome, but then the DCP showed up and I wanted to add it in (without giving enough consideration to letting Epitome run a little longer solo).

I also use Defuse a couple of times a week for cheat meals. Thanks!

Thanks!
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I'm not Matt, but Everything makes a difference. Epitome and Defuse are good on their own, as is DCP, but when you STACK them, can be the difference between say noticing visual changes 7 weeks in or 8 weeks in (I use this analogy, since whenever seem to change things up, notice almost daily from 8 weeks, but little in the 7th until the 8th, if makes sense).
 
I dropped Epitome last Friday. Had a crap diet weekend (rained most of Saturday was not great weather on Sunday, so vegged out with the family watching TV/movies all day). With just DCP I still noticed a controlling of the fat increase. I will run this way for a bit longer as two days is not enough to ensure Epitome is out of my system, but am leaning towards DCP being the one that provided me the current results.
 
Sparkss said:
I dropped Epitome last Friday. Had a crap diet weekend (rained most of Saturday was not great weather on Sunday, so vegged out with the family watching TV/movies all day). With just DCP I still noticed a controlling of the fat increase. I will run this way for a bit longer as two days is not enough to ensure Epitome is out of my system, but am leaning towards DCP being the one that provided me the current results.
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Some products you definitely DO notice a difference with even with a few doses or few days, so, yeah, keep playing with things if you want to - experimenting to find your personal "sweet spots" with anything and everything, and what is most effective for you, is something I will always recommend.
 
If a person’s metabolism has slowed down, should they reboot their metabolism before starting on epitome or would it not matter?
 
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