Yep, when I first started it up I was like "uhhh, Matt -- this is having the opposite effect of what I would hope for" lol. But it balanced itself out
Cereal...it's not your fault. It's like crack in milk.I'm only on like day 9 of epitome. My hunger is getting a little better. had two solid keto days and now things are looking normal. I was smashing some cereal at night (about 60-100 carbs worth) for 2-3 nights lol. Garuntee that was my problem.
I'm getting way more feedback from people that stuck with it. Looks like the normalizing effect on Leptin takes longer with lower levels than with dropping elevated levels.Yep, when I first started it up I was like "uhhh, Matt -- this is having the opposite effect of what I would hope for" lol. But it balanced itself out
Are we talking 4, 8, or 12 weeks?I'm getting way more feedback from people that stuck with it. Looks like the normalizing effect on Leptin takes longer with lower levels than with dropping elevated levels.
I thought it was the DCP killing my appetite, but now I'm pretty sure it's this.I'm getting way more feedback from people that stuck with it. Looks like the normalizing effect on Leptin takes longer with lower levels than with dropping elevated levels.
DCP tends to make you just "not hungry", while Epitome tends to make it almost impossible to even think about food...at least for me.I thought it was the DCP killing my appetite, but now I'm pretty sure it's this.
1 of them also makes me nauseated as hell if I still manage to overeat anyway...this outta be a good cut!DCP tends to make you just "not hungry", while Epitome tends to make it almost impossible to even think about food...at least for me.
Awesome progress.View attachment 138893
This is what a year of tracking macros and using quality Supps does. I rarely impress myself but I'm pretty damn happy w this progress. Down 20lbs and 6.5% bodyfat and have maintained it for two months now. Using epitome, ammo, brite, occasionally adding in keto induce and Testruction as needed. Gut health as as staple. Now that I'm maintaining my desired bodyfat, I am thinkin I'll add bmp soon and maybe myo elite to try and put on some lean mass
I started out using it every night at bed as directed back in April when it first came out, but then as I reduced my carb intake from 100g daily down to pure keto as I do every summer/fall, I didn't need it daily obviously. So I'll only use it now once or twice a week if happen to have more carbs than I intend toAwesome progress.
How are you using the Ketoinduce? I am using Brite and DCP. I have a tub of Ketoinduce and MCT that I haven't tried yet.
Your lower ab area...that is how Ammo benefits are really amazing. Pulling out all of that VAT allows your abs to pull in like they should, rather than push out.View attachment 138893
This is what a year of tracking macros and using quality Supps does. I rarely impress myself but I'm pretty damn happy w this progress. Down 20lbs and 6.5% bodyfat and have maintained it for two months now. Using epitome, ammo, brite, occasionally adding in keto induce and Testruction as needed. Gut health as as staple. Now that I'm maintaining my desired bodyfat, I am thinkin I'll add bmp soon and maybe myo elite to try and put on some lean mass
How is Epitome doing for your hunger? Has it "kicked in" and helped with cravings?View attachment 138893
This is what a year of tracking macros and using quality Supps does. I rarely impress myself but I'm pretty damn happy w this progress. Down 20lbs and 6.5% bodyfat and have maintained it for two months now. Using epitome, ammo, brite, occasionally adding in keto induce and Testruction as needed. Gut health as as staple. Now that I'm maintaining my desired bodyfat, I am thinkin I'll add bmp soon and maybe myo elite to try and put on some lean mass
Yes. Once I got below 12% it killed hungerHow is Epitome doing for your hunger? Has it "kicked in" and helped with cravings?
I only take it at night about 4-5 times a week, usually after my hardest training sessions when I felt restless or over trained/stressful dayHave you been cycling ammo or on it the whole time?
It's dependent on your body fat level. If you are >20% then Epitome is your best choice. Any lower and DCP is better.Guys, dsade, is Epitome the best in the Evomuse line to control your appetite?
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Yeah for sure. Taking it precardio will amplify the effects quite a bit. just keep dosing away from workouts where you are trying to build muscle.I know epitome shouldn't be taking near workout but can it be taken near cardio ?
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So if we have plenty of muscle and aren't worried, we could just take pre AM fasted Cardio, then pre workout in PM, vs mid morning/mid afternoon?Yeah for sure. Taking it precardio will amplify the effects quite a bit. just keep dosing away from workouts where you are trying to build muscle.
Yeah, you can do that if maximum muscle isn't top priority. As you mentioned, though, for a certain segment the Epitome/Rebirth stack was designed to work together, so you'd want to do the AM/PM with the Rebirth, and the Epitome from the label instructions.So if we have plenty of muscle and aren't worried, we could just take pre AM fasted Cardio, then pre workout in PM, vs mid morning/mid afternoon?
This until new Metabolic Rebirth.
Sounds good. ThanksYeah, you can do that if maximum muscle isn't top priority. As you mentioned, though, for a certain segment the Epitome/Rebirth stack was designed to work together, so you'd want to do the AM/PM with the Rebirth, and the Epitome from the label instructions.
AMPk can have a detrimental effect on forskolin's positive effects on fat loss and muscle, however there have been recent studies showing that chronic forskolin supplementation actually yields a net increase in AMPk activation.Any conflicting actions with Epitome vs Forskolin, dsade? This was brought up somewhere else in the general supp section.
Excellent info. Thanks! What is considered chronic forskolin supplementation? 12+ weeks?AMPk can have a detrimental effect on forskolin's positive effects on fat loss and muscle, however there have been recent studies showing that chronic forskolin supplementation actually yields a net increase in AMPk activation.
Depending on how potent an AMPk activator we are talking, and what dose, it's probably wise to separate dosage.
SO something like Epitome, with its VERY hard AMPk hit, you would not take with Forskolin, but something like DCP with a milder hit you should be ok
Correct me if im wrong, if we are talking AMPK and cAMP in adipocytes, then an increase in cAMP increases the activation/phosphorylation state of AMPK with the end point of increasing lipolysis. So this would be of benefit for fat loss.AMPk can have a detrimental effect on forskolin's positive effects on fat loss and muscle, however there have been recent studies showing that chronic forskolin supplementation actually yields a net increase in AMPk activation.
Depending on how potent an AMPk activator we are talking, and what dose, it's probably wise to separate dosage.
SO something like Epitome, with its VERY hard AMPk hit, you would not take with Forskolin, but something like DCP with a milder hit you should be ok
Did you gain a bunch of fat with it or stay lean?On another note, I tried mega/ double dosing Epitome to see what happens- I have seen some questions floating around about the effects. If you react anything like how I did DON'T DO IT.
Haha, I must have consumed 10,000 calories a day for a week in pure junk food. Never felt so night hungry in my life. I'm back to 2/day and it's balanced my hunger back out.
I without a doubt gained fat. I don't think any supplement could counter the horrific things I put into my body. I was hoping it would level out or something but after a week I quit because it was so bad. Delicious but bad.Did you gain a bunch of fat with it or stay lean?
Yeah, I don't even think gear could prevent fat gain if you're in a 10000 calorie binge for a week. High fat/high carb isn't a great comboI without a doubt gained fat. I don't think any supplement could counter the horrific things I put into my body. I was hoping it would level out or something but after a week I quit because it was so bad. Delicious but bad.
Ugh, I can't even fathom.On another note, I tried mega/ double dosing Epitome to see what happens- I have seen some questions floating around about the effects. If you react anything like how I did DON'T DO IT.
Haha, I must have consumed 10,000 calories a day for a week in pure junk food. Never felt so night hungry in my life. I'm back to 2/day and it's balanced my hunger back out.
I personally always dose mine on an empty stomach. 3-4 hours away from weight-training. And I've always done well dosing it before meals in the sense that even if it's just placebo, it seems to have an acute impact on hunger for me.Any other "tips" with Epitome. With food, empty stomach, extra cardio, anything that can further benifit someone taking it?
I'll be taking mine probably the same times as you. Do you take it the same time on off days too?I personally always dose mine on an empty stomach. 3-4 hours away from weight-training. And I've always done well dosing it before meals in the sense that even if it's just placebo, it seems to have an acute impact on hunger for me.
So for days that I lift at 5 AM, I finish before 8, so I'll take my first dose at 11:30 or Noon and all I've eaten prior is a 50g isolate shake after lifting. Then I'll take my 2nd dose between 4 and 5 PM. I eat most of my calories (during the week) in the evening and that helps me get through work without eating much at all and also helps with that evening keeping me from eating a lot of extra food so long as I don't stay up late and dick around watching TV or reading online.
So if you know there are times when you tend to be "snacky," having a dose a couple hours prior can be helpful at least in my experience at fighting that a bit.
Naw; just depends on the day.I'll be taking mine probably the same times as you. Do you take it the same time on off days too?
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