EvoMuse Presents: Epitome™

Yep, when I first started it up I was like "uhhh, Matt -- this is having the opposite effect of what I would hope for" lol. But it balanced itself out :)
 
Reading this thread's recent responses make me want to retry it again. Epitome's behavior with me was very inconsistent I could never pin it down.
 
Wimsicle said:
I'm only on like day 9 of epitome. My hunger is getting a little better. had two solid keto days and now things are looking normal. I was smashing some cereal at night (about 60-100 carbs worth) for 2-3 nights lol. Garuntee that was my problem.
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Cereal...it's not your fault. It's like crack in milk.
 
MidwestBeast said:
Yep, when I first started it up I was like "uhhh, Matt -- this is having the opposite effect of what I would hope for" lol. But it balanced itself out :)
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I'm getting way more feedback from people that stuck with it. Looks like the normalizing effect on Leptin takes longer with lower levels than with dropping elevated levels.
 
Looks like around 6 weeks averaging what I'm getting back.
 
dsade said:
I'm getting way more feedback from people that stuck with it. Looks like the normalizing effect on Leptin takes longer with lower levels than with dropping elevated levels.
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I thought it was the DCP killing my appetite, but now I'm pretty sure it's this.
 
GreenMachineX said:
I thought it was the DCP killing my appetite, but now I'm pretty sure it's this.
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DCP tends to make you just "not hungry", while Epitome tends to make it almost impossible to even think about food...at least for me.
 
I'm trying again...stacking with DCP and about a week left of brite (4 bottle run)

Though I'm higher bf than last time I tried...we shall see...
 
dsade said:
DCP tends to make you just "not hungry", while Epitome tends to make it almost impossible to even think about food...at least for me.
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1 of them also makes me nauseated as hell if I still manage to overeat anyway...this outta be a good cut!

Just took my first dose of bmp powder too. Tossed it back then chased it with water. Not all that pleasant I must say lol.
 
Loving the epitome, brite and oxyshred stack. Down 2kg and not as hungry. May post before and afters. Dcp and ammo to still come in :D
 
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This is what a year of tracking macros and using quality Supps does. I rarely impress myself but I'm pretty damn happy w this progress. Down 20lbs and 6.5% bodyfat and have maintained it for two months now. Using epitome, ammo, brite, occasionally adding in keto induce and Testruction as needed. Gut health as as staple. Now that I'm maintaining my desired bodyfat, I am thinkin I'll add bmp soon and maybe myo elite to try and put on some lean mass
 
chedapalooza said:
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This is what a year of tracking macros and using quality Supps does. I rarely impress myself but I'm pretty damn happy w this progress. Down 20lbs and 6.5% bodyfat and have maintained it for two months now. Using epitome, ammo, brite, occasionally adding in keto induce and Testruction as needed. Gut health as as staple. Now that I'm maintaining my desired bodyfat, I am thinkin I'll add bmp soon and maybe myo elite to try and put on some lean mass
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Awesome progress.

How are you using the Ketoinduce? I am using Brite and DCP. I have a tub of Ketoinduce and MCT that I haven't tried yet.
 
cubsfan815 said:
Awesome progress.

How are you using the Ketoinduce? I am using Brite and DCP. I have a tub of Ketoinduce and MCT that I haven't tried yet.
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I started out using it every night at bed as directed back in April when it first came out, but then as I reduced my carb intake from 100g daily down to pure keto as I do every summer/fall, I didn't need it daily obviously. So I'll only use it now once or twice a week if happen to have more carbs than I intend to
 
chedapalooza said:
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This is what a year of tracking macros and using quality Supps does. I rarely impress myself but I'm pretty damn happy w this progress. Down 20lbs and 6.5% bodyfat and have maintained it for two months now. Using epitome, ammo, brite, occasionally adding in keto induce and Testruction as needed. Gut health as as staple. Now that I'm maintaining my desired bodyfat, I am thinkin I'll add bmp soon and maybe myo elite to try and put on some lean mass
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Your lower ab area...that is how Ammo benefits are really amazing. Pulling out all of that VAT allows your abs to pull in like they should, rather than push out.
 
chedapalooza said:
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This is what a year of tracking macros and using quality Supps does. I rarely impress myself but I'm pretty damn happy w this progress. Down 20lbs and 6.5% bodyfat and have maintained it for two months now. Using epitome, ammo, brite, occasionally adding in keto induce and Testruction as needed. Gut health as as staple. Now that I'm maintaining my desired bodyfat, I am thinkin I'll add bmp soon and maybe myo elite to try and put on some lean mass
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How is Epitome doing for your hunger? Has it "kicked in" and helped with cravings?
 
Dregosas said:
Guys, dsade, is Epitome the best in the Evomuse line to control your appetite?
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It's dependent on your body fat level. If you are >20% then Epitome is your best choice. Any lower and DCP is better.
 
dollar662 said:
I know epitome shouldn't be taking near workout but can it be taken near cardio ?

Thanks
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Yeah for sure. Taking it precardio will amplify the effects quite a bit. just keep dosing away from workouts where you are trying to build muscle.
 
dsade said:
Yeah for sure. Taking it precardio will amplify the effects quite a bit. just keep dosing away from workouts where you are trying to build muscle.
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So if we have plenty of muscle and aren't worried, we could just take pre AM fasted Cardio, then pre workout in PM, vs mid morning/mid afternoon?

This until new Metabolic Rebirth.
 
cubsfan815 said:
So if we have plenty of muscle and aren't worried, we could just take pre AM fasted Cardio, then pre workout in PM, vs mid morning/mid afternoon?

This until new Metabolic Rebirth.
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Yeah, you can do that if maximum muscle isn't top priority. As you mentioned, though, for a certain segment the Epitome/Rebirth stack was designed to work together, so you'd want to do the AM/PM with the Rebirth, and the Epitome from the label instructions.
 
dsade said:
Yeah, you can do that if maximum muscle isn't top priority. As you mentioned, though, for a certain segment the Epitome/Rebirth stack was designed to work together, so you'd want to do the AM/PM with the Rebirth, and the Epitome from the label instructions.
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Sounds good. Thanks

I'll finish off the Metabolic Rebirth I have. Hopefully it lasts until new version.
 
Any conflicting actions with Epitome vs Forskolin, dsade? This was brought up somewhere else in the general supp section.
 
I really need to get back on the Epitome... One of these days, I'll also run some Absolutely Abliderated for my lower abs...
 
ma70 said:
Any conflicting actions with Epitome vs Forskolin, dsade? This was brought up somewhere else in the general supp section.
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AMPk can have a detrimental effect on forskolin's positive effects on fat loss and muscle, however there have been recent studies showing that chronic forskolin supplementation actually yields a net increase in AMPk activation.

Depending on how potent an AMPk activator we are talking, and what dose, it's probably wise to separate dosage.

SO something like Epitome, with its VERY hard AMPk hit, you would not take with Forskolin, but something like DCP with a milder hit you should be ok
 
dsade said:
AMPk can have a detrimental effect on forskolin's positive effects on fat loss and muscle, however there have been recent studies showing that chronic forskolin supplementation actually yields a net increase in AMPk activation.

Depending on how potent an AMPk activator we are talking, and what dose, it's probably wise to separate dosage.

SO something like Epitome, with its VERY hard AMPk hit, you would not take with Forskolin, but something like DCP with a milder hit you should be ok
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Excellent info. Thanks! What is considered chronic forskolin supplementation? 12+ weeks?
 
dsade said:
AMPk can have a detrimental effect on forskolin's positive effects on fat loss and muscle, however there have been recent studies showing that chronic forskolin supplementation actually yields a net increase in AMPk activation.

Depending on how potent an AMPk activator we are talking, and what dose, it's probably wise to separate dosage.

SO something like Epitome, with its VERY hard AMPk hit, you would not take with Forskolin, but something like DCP with a milder hit you should be ok
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Correct me if im wrong, if we are talking AMPK and cAMP in adipocytes, then an increase in cAMP increases the activation/phosphorylation state of AMPK with the end point of increasing lipolysis. So this would be of benefit for fat loss.
 
Interested in this, as I just added shift into my regimen that includes Epitome. I'll halt the shift until I hear more.
 
On another note, I tried mega/ double dosing Epitome to see what happens- I have seen some questions floating around about the effects. If you react anything like how I did DON'T DO IT.

Haha, I must have consumed 10,000 calories a day for a week in pure junk food. Never felt so night hungry in my life. I'm back to 2/day and it's balanced my hunger back out.
 
beerandon said:
On another note, I tried mega/ double dosing Epitome to see what happens- I have seen some questions floating around about the effects. If you react anything like how I did DON'T DO IT.

Haha, I must have consumed 10,000 calories a day for a week in pure junk food. Never felt so night hungry in my life. I'm back to 2/day and it's balanced my hunger back out.
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Did you gain a bunch of fat with it or stay lean?
 
GreenMachineX said:
Did you gain a bunch of fat with it or stay lean?
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I without a doubt gained fat. I don't think any supplement could counter the horrific things I put into my body. I was hoping it would level out or something but after a week I quit because it was so bad. Delicious but bad.
 
beerandon said:
I without a doubt gained fat. I don't think any supplement could counter the horrific things I put into my body. I was hoping it would level out or something but after a week I quit because it was so bad. Delicious but bad.
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Yeah, I don't even think gear could prevent fat gain if you're in a 10000 calorie binge for a week. High fat/high carb isn't a great combo :)
 
Haha true that
 
beerandon said:
On another note, I tried mega/ double dosing Epitome to see what happens- I have seen some questions floating around about the effects. If you react anything like how I did DON'T DO IT.

Haha, I must have consumed 10,000 calories a day for a week in pure junk food. Never felt so night hungry in my life. I'm back to 2/day and it's balanced my hunger back out.
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Ugh, I can't even fathom.

I got insane hunger cravings when I first started Epitome back when it came out at just the 2 caps/day. Thankful that leveled out and got back to normal. I'd wager, in my instance, that was the case because my leptin levels were so jacked up, though. I'm on a much more regular cal/macro intake these days.
 
Any other "tips" with Epitome. With food, empty stomach, extra cardio, anything that can further benifit someone taking it?
 
cubsfan815 said:
Any other "tips" with Epitome. With food, empty stomach, extra cardio, anything that can further benifit someone taking it?
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I personally always dose mine on an empty stomach. 3-4 hours away from weight-training. And I've always done well dosing it before meals in the sense that even if it's just placebo, it seems to have an acute impact on hunger for me.

So for days that I lift at 5 AM, I finish before 8, so I'll take my first dose at 11:30 or Noon and all I've eaten prior is a 50g isolate shake after lifting. Then I'll take my 2nd dose between 4 and 5 PM. I eat most of my calories (during the week) in the evening and that helps me get through work without eating much at all and also helps with that evening keeping me from eating a lot of extra food so long as I don't stay up late and dick around watching TV or reading online.

So if you know there are times when you tend to be "snacky," having a dose a couple hours prior can be helpful at least in my experience at fighting that a bit.
 
MidwestBeast said:
I personally always dose mine on an empty stomach. 3-4 hours away from weight-training. And I've always done well dosing it before meals in the sense that even if it's just placebo, it seems to have an acute impact on hunger for me.

So for days that I lift at 5 AM, I finish before 8, so I'll take my first dose at 11:30 or Noon and all I've eaten prior is a 50g isolate shake after lifting. Then I'll take my 2nd dose between 4 and 5 PM. I eat most of my calories (during the week) in the evening and that helps me get through work without eating much at all and also helps with that evening keeping me from eating a lot of extra food so long as I don't stay up late and dick around watching TV or reading online.

So if you know there are times when you tend to be "snacky," having a dose a couple hours prior can be helpful at least in my experience at fighting that a bit.
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I'll be taking mine probably the same times as you. Do you take it the same time on off days too?
 
GreenMachineX said:
I'll be taking mine probably the same times as you. Do you take it the same time on off days too?
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Naw; just depends on the day.

So I'm taking the week off lifting with a jacked up wrist (begrudgingly taking the week off...smh), so today, for example, I took one before leaving for the office since I left late today about 8:30 AM and I'll take the other one sometime around 1 or 2 probably.
 
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