Epic Cutting Stack

[booneman77]

Current Diet (CBL):
6a - 1/2 BCAA's
9a - Coffee
10:30a - 1/2 BCAA
12p - 8oz chicken breast or thigh, 2c cabbage and cauliflower (stewed in crock pot)
4:30p - 1sc whey, 1 banana
6p - 8oz chicken, 1c Cheerios, 1/2c almond milk, 3c mixed veggies (lots of spaghetti squash lately)
8:30p - 3/4c oats, 1-1/2sc protein blend, 5 egg whites, 2c spinach, 3c mixed veggies, 1c cottage cheese

Gonna try to start working some more "junky" carbs into my dinner just for mental sanity.

 

[booneman77]

Supplements:
Wake - x2 c20, x2 peak beta+, x3 AAv2 (bumped from x2 as of today), stimmed fat burner (using up a bunch of misc samples - gonna start ECY soon), 3g DAA
BCAA's through the morning fast (wake til 12p)
9am - x1 fish oil, x2 CLA
45 min Pre workout - x4 X Factor Adv, x4 PB+, x2 C20, x3 AAv2, 6g GMS
25min pre - 1/2-1sc Stilmul8 (logging)
30min PWO - 1sc whey isolate
Late meal - x1 AP (have been forgetting this sometimes), x2CLA
Bed - x3 AAv2

I've finshed or dropped: Forskolin (12wks, break for 4wks), Alphamine (8wks), Accelerant (4wks), Alphamax (4wks), Dpol (4wks)

Going forward i plan to taper off most of my supps in the next week or two (finishing XFA/PB+ today, AAv2 in about a week) Once I've had a little break (a week or two) I plan to start an ECY+Reduce XT stack. Any thoughts or dosing protocols for this are welcome as I'm still learning the "how-to".

 

[RecompMan]

Would metabolic powder serve me well dosing multiple times a day for my cheat meal/day? Would it help to prevent fat gain?

Yes it would definitely serve you well

 

[RecompMan]

I know it says mix into food and such, but does it mix and taste ok when mixed into some BCAAs or something like that?

Hardly any taste man

Flavors chili quite well tho

 

[RecompMan]

Supplements:
Wake - x2 c20, x2 peak beta+, x3 AAv2 (bumped from x2 as of today), stimmed fat burner (using up a bunch of misc samples - gonna start ECY soon), 3g DAA
BCAA's through the morning fast (wake til 12p)
9am - x1 fish oil, x2 CLA
45 min Pre workout - x4 X Factor Adv, x4 PB+, x2 C20, x3 AAv2, 6g GMS
25min pre - 1/2-1sc Stilmul8 (logging)
30min PWO - 1sc whey isolate
Late meal - x1 AP (have been forgetting this sometimes), x2CLA
Bed - x3 AAv2

I've finshed or dropped: Forskolin (12wks, break for 4wks), Alphamine (8wks), Accelerant (4wks), Alphamax (4wks), Dpol (4wks)

Going forward i plan to taper off most of my supps in the next week or two (finishing XFA/PB+ today, AAv2 in about a week) Once I've had a little break (a week or two) I plan to start an ECY+Reduce XT stack. Any thoughts or dosing protocols for this are welcome as I'm still learning the "how-to".

Aav2 the duration of the cut bro. No need to come off yet

 

[booneman77]

Aav2 the duration of the cut bro. No need to come off yet

Ha I'm only coming off cuz I'm gonna run out and have a couple other non stims to use up

 

[The Solution]

No point in sipping on bcaa's if you are not using them for fasted training or between meals. save your money.

 

[booneman77]

No point in sipping on bcaa's if you are not using them for fasted training or between meals. save your money.

Are you referring to my mornings? Those are fasted. First meal isn't til 12p

 

[RecompMan]

Ha I'm only coming off cuz I'm gonna run out and have a couple other non stims to use up

NP has a ridiculous sale right now

I start mine at 12/day on workout days next week. 18 on non workout

Why? Because I can. And it's awesome. Water retention happens after 9 caps.

But once drop back down it just becomes an ab show

 

[Driven2lift]

NP has a ridiculous sale right now

I start mine at 12/day on workout days next week. 18 on non workout

Why? Because I can. And it's awesome. Water retention happens after 9 caps.

But once drop back down it just becomes an ab show

Retention from which ingredients?
HCA?
Just so I know fir stacking

 

[booneman77]

NP has a ridiculous sale right now I start mine at 12/day on workout days next week. 18 on non workout Why? Because I can. And it's awesome. Water retention happens after 9 caps. But once drop back down it just becomes an ab show

Haha that's crazy. I know it's on sale too. Might have to get it since I need to restock recompadrol as well abyways

 

[The Solution]

Are you referring to my mornings? Those are fasted. First meal isn't til 12p

Your not training upon waking correct? then if so there is 0 point in just sipping on them upon waking. You are totally fine in the fast until you break it with meal 1 and your pre-workout meals etc

there will be food overlap in the intra-workout period (Since you train in a fed state) so there is no need to use them since your not dosing them as a bolus between meals or using them for "FASTED Training"

looks like your pre/intra/post is later in the day and not upon waking.

http://www.leangains.com/2010/04/leangains-guide.html

Notice how there is 0 bcaa use for fed training.

 

[booneman77]

Your not training upon waking correct? then if so there is 0 point in just sipping on them upon waking. You are totally fine in the fast until you break it with meal 1 and your pre-workout meals etc there will be food overlap in the intra-workout period (Since you train in a fed state) so there is no need to use them since your not dosing them as a bolus between meals or using them for "FASTED Training" looks like your pre/intra/post is later in the day and not upon waking. http://www.leangains.com/2010/04/leangains-guide.html Notice how there is 0 bcaa use for fed training.

I'm doing cardio first thing in the morning. Some LISS some hiit and some mixed so yes, I am training in the morning thus why I'm sipping until my meal at 12.

Not dosing during my workouts unless it's gonna be over 4hr between meal 1 and pwo shake/meal

 

[The Solution]

LISS Cardio, dont need em for liss bro. thats not a workout lol

 

[booneman77]

LISS Cardio, dont need em for liss bro. thats not a workout lol

Cool. That'll save me a few days a week worth of bcaas then. I will however miss the tasty morning drink ha.

 

[The Solution]

Cool. That'll save me a few days a week worth of bcaas then. I will however miss the tasty morning drink ha.

If your trianing IE weight training upon waking then yeah thats what you use em for
your walking on a treadmill. you aint gonna need em.
save you hundreds a year. You wont even need em period now since you train fed.

 

[booneman77]

If your trianing IE weight training upon waking then yeah thats what you use em for your walking on a treadmill. you aint gonna need em. save you hundreds a year. You wont even need em period now since you train fed.

I'll still need them on my weekends which are fasted training and usually longer sessions but still save a ton

 

[booneman77]

Not a good start to the cbl experiment... Weight was up to 187.6lb as of this morning. Gonna have to do some tweaking and probabaly put more carbs PWO and less pre bed and see how that works.

Overall I'm really enjoying the larger evening meals and freedom but the results just aren't there so far. Waking up feeling bloated and not looking as good is not helping.

 

[The Solution]

Eating more later at night = a higher weigh in, nothing unordinary there.

^^^^^^^

 

[sheepdog.tx]

So I kicked off my stack yesterday first thing in the morning. Some thoughts:

Did you rotate the WL patches in yet at night? Interesed in seeing what you think.

 

[The Solution]

Not a good start to the cbl experiment... Weight was up to 187.6lb as of this morning. Gonna have to do some tweaking and probabaly put more carbs PWO and less pre bed and see how that works.

Overall I'm really enjoying the larger evening meals and freedom but the results just aren't there so far. Waking up feeling bloated and not looking as good is not helping.

If your bloated use less satiety sources = Problem solved
listen to your body.

 

[booneman77]

Did you rotate the WL patches in yet at night? Interesed in seeing what you think.

Not yet. Maybe in a couple weeks. I want to finish off some of the other fat burners first

 

[booneman77]

^^^^^^^

Yes, but it should have decreased from my previous morning weigh in last week after being on the cbl style for a few days.

 

[classic34]

I assume it's the old version of of Compound 20 you're using booneman?

 

[booneman77]

I assume it's the old version of of Compound 20 you're using booneman?

Yep. Had two bottles from a promo you got me ha

 

[booneman77]

Decided I wanted to sleep in this morning so I snoozed a few times and then went to the basement treadmill for some HIIT style cardio instead of my normal LISS. Did 1min @ 3mph, 1min @9-10mph (sprints 1-3 @ 9, 4-5 @ 10) for a quick session. I can't even begin to say how much better I felt after this. I'm sure I'll be replacing my LISS with HIIT from here on out, maybe with the exception of after leg day ha.

Would I need BCAA's before or after a quick 5-8 round HIIT sprint session?

 

[The Solution]

Decided I wanted to sleep in this morning so I snoozed a few times and then went to the basement treadmill for some HIIT style cardio instead of my normal LISS. Did 1min @ 3mph, 1min @9-10mph (sprints 1-3 @ 9, 4-5 @ 10) for a quick session. I can't even begin to say how much better I felt after this. I'm sure I'll be replacing my LISS with HIIT from here on out, maybe with the exception of after leg day ha.

Would I need BCAA's before or after a quick 5-8 round HIIT sprint session?

Your fine.

 

[booneman77]

So I'm changing up this CBL diet. Over the last few weeks I've been completely miserable through the fast and even through dinner and just can't seem to improve my mood. I thought by now my body would have adjusted but it just doesn't seem to be coming. I'm constantly in a mental fog and basically a zombie until the evening at which point I'm already so miserable that I eat until I'm sick (just to meet cals) and then go to bed feeling like a pig. Not a good setup.

Also, I've been gaining weight and looking like shat so its time to make some changes. I'm going to try to keep my carbs PWO and first meal after and just reintroduce some morning meals. This should help get things going earlier in the day and help with mood. Diet plan will look like this for awhile:
Wake @ 5am - HIIT
6am - Coffee/Fish Oil/CLA
9am - 8oz Chicken/ Veggies
12pm - 8oz Chicken/ Veggies
2:45-4p Workout
4:30p - PWO Shake/Banana/x2-4 rice cakes
5:30-6p - 8oz Meat or fish/ veggies/ 100-150g carbs (whatever I need to meet my req)
8-9p 1c Cottage cheese/1sc casein/veggies

 

[The Solution]

Drop the CLA and save your money
Complete waste of money dude.

whats the reasoning behind a meal an hour after a pwo shake? Kinda curious. Defeats the whole purpose of Muscle Protein Synthesis

http://www.biolayne.com/wp-content/uploads/Norton-J-Ag-Food-Ind-Hi-Tech-2008.pdf
http://www.biolayne.com/wp-content/uploads/Norton-J-Ag-Food-Ind-Hi-Tech-2008.pdf

 

[cbsharpe]

Drop the CLA and save your money
Complete waste of money dude.

whats the reasoning behind a meal an hour after a pwo shake? Kinda curious. Defeats the whole purpose of Muscle Protein Synthesis

http://www.biolayne.com/wp-content/uploads/Norton-J-Ag-Food-Ind-Hi-Tech-2008.pdf
http://www.biolayne.com/wp-content/uploads/Norton-J-Ag-Food-Ind-Hi-Tech-2008.pdf

Okay, interesting. Thanks for sharing because I would sometimes do this myself. Have a post-workout shake then have a meal about an hour later. However, I will say that this has worked for me in the past, so why stop now. Not doubting Layne, but what may work for one person, may not for the other.

 

[booneman77]

Drop the CLA and save your money
Complete waste of money dude.

whats the reasoning behind a meal an hour after a pwo shake? Kinda curious. Defeats the whole purpose of Muscle Protein Synthesis

http://www.biolayne.com/wp-content/uploads/Norton-J-Ag-Food-Ind-Hi-Tech-2008.pdf
http://www.biolayne.com/wp-content/uploads/Norton-J-Ag-Food-Ind-Hi-Tech-2008.pdf

Really just to get calories in for the day is what it comes down to.

 

[The Solution]

Really just to get calories in for the day is what it comes down to.

True, but you could make some of your other meals "Larger" and provide a great satiety
I know 8oz of protein and veggies is not very filling nor is eating every 3 hours magical. But to each their own. Just showing you some light

 

[booneman77]

True, but you could make some of your other meals "Larger" and provide a great satiety
I know 8oz of protein and veggies is not very filling nor is eating every 3 hours magical. But to each their own. Just showing you some light

I agree with all of the above, I just enjoy the freedom having a bigger meal in the evening gives you.

 

[The Solution]

You ever tried going 4 meals instead of 5?

 

[booneman77]

You ever tried going 4 meals instead of 5?

That's what I was doing the last couple weeks. 1 pre gym and 3 post including pwo shake/carbs as a meal. I've just been so exhausted and miserable without any food all day I just can't stand myself let alone other people stand me.

 

[aaronuconn]

Although Bob already said it, I agree that there's no need for BCAA's around HIIT.

 

[The Solution]

That's what I was doing the last couple weeks. 1 pre gym and 3 post including pwo shake/carbs as a meal. I've just been so exhausted and miserable without any food all day I just can't stand myself let alone other people stand me.

well i dont see the benefit of 3 meals in a span from 4-9 if you train around 3

would be better if you did like 9, 1, 5, 9

IMO

 

[booneman77]

well i dont see the benefit of 3 meals in a span from 4-9 if you train around 3 would be better if you did like 9, 1, 5, 9 IMO

What diff would it make splitting the 5 into two shorter meals that close together? I doubt your body would even notice a diff if it still takes nearly the same amount of time to eat since the 1 meal would be so much bigger. Something like eat 4:30-5 and 6-6:30 vs 5-6

 

[The Solution]

What diff would it make splitting the 5 into two shorter meals that close together? I doubt your body would even notice a diff if it still takes nearly the same amount of time to eat since the 1 meal would be so much bigger. Something like eat 4:30-5 and 6-6:30 vs 5-6

Muscle Protein Synthesis
Eating 3 meals in a span of 4 hours is pretty dumb... (from your post-workout shake, then a meal an hour later, and another meal not much longer after that)
Spreading them out, allowing protein levels to reach refractory stages before being spiked again, hence the spacing of meals.

Probably a good reason why you feel bloated, you play ctach up later in the day and intake the majority of your kcals in a tight window after your workout. spacing them out may aid you and your digestive system.

 

[booneman77]

Muscle Protein Synthesis Eating 3 meals in a span of 4 hours is pretty dumb... (from your post-workout shake, then a meal an hour later, and another meal not much longer after that) Spreading them out, allowing protein levels to reach refractory stages before being spiked again, hence the spacing of meals. Probably a good reason why you feel bloated, you play ctach up later in the day and intake the majority of your kcals in a tight window after your workout. spacing them out may aid you and your digestive system.

Got it. Similar to the norton article you posted above. I'll give it a shot and see how it goes. Gonna have to make my earlier meals a little larger or just my pwo a monster meal

 

[The Solution]

If bigger meals dont suit you then spread it out bro... Listen to your body
You already stated you feel horrible eating so much later, then simply SPREAD IT OUT

Listen to what your saying in your thoughts and postings....
Do what your body is telling you to do

what the fuk you gonna do when you start gaining size and adding kcals? your gonna feel like dog crap if you tried to eat another 750-1000 kcals in those last 4 hours.

 

[booneman77]

If bigger meals dont suit you then spread it out bro... Listen to your body You already stated you feel horrible eating so much later, then simply SPREAD IT OUT Listen to what your saying in your thoughts and postings.... Do what your body is telling you to do what the fuk you gonna do when you start gaining size and adding kcals? your gonna feel like dog crap if you tried to eat another 750-1000 kcals in those last 4 hours.

It's not the big meals that make me feel bad cuz I love to and actually prefer to eat big. It's the fasting that was really killing me and making my mood miserable. The swings from starving to so full just weren't working. I could eat big all day tho.

 

[The Solution]

It's not the big meals that make me feel bad cuz I love to and actually prefer to eat big. It's the fasting that was really killing me and making my mood miserable. The swings from starving to so full just weren't working. I could eat big all day tho.

There is your problem
You see the red flag your body is telling you
then stop it and fix your diet to suit what its saying and stop fasting.. Its not magical.

 

[booneman77]

There is your problem You see the red flag your body is telling you then stop it and fix your diet to suit what its saying and stop fasting.. Its not magical.

Yep. I just like to play with things and see what's available.

 

[The Solution]

Yep. I just like to play with things and see what's available.

Well clearly if you state fasting makes you miserable why would you continue it?
Makes 0 sense.

 

[booneman77]

Well clearly if you state fasting makes you miserable why would you continue it? Makes 0 sense.

A couple hours in the morning isn't a big deal. Half a day is though which is why I changed it up today and had my first meal at 9a vs 12p

 

[Pypp]

You ever run tren?

 

[booneman77]

You ever run tren?

Last two cycles were tren and prop. Both pretty short tho just to get my feet wet

 

[Pypp]

Last two cycles were tren and prop. Both pretty short tho just to get my feet wet

Howd you like it? I'm gonna start next month, stoked!

 

[booneman77]

Howd you like it? I'm gonna start next month, stoked!

LOOOOVEDDD IT... Everything about it was great. Results, minimal sides, etc. Really enjoyed the short 4 & 6 week runs