Creatine pick for summer..help?

Iron_Mutant · Mar 19, 2011

I'm preparing a stack for this summer..im all set with everything except the creatine i want to take...im going for sheer size and raw power and strength. I'm debating whether I should get a creapure product or something like creatine nitrate. Any help/recommendations would be extremely helpful.

zwa004 · Mar 19, 2011

5g (maintenance) powdered monohydrate has always done the trick for me. I've gained the most weight with monohydrate. Once I get my APS creatine nitrate, I'm going to knock down the monohydrate to 2g. Noticed very little effect from creatine ethyl ester and krealkalyn. Just my experience.

AE14 · Mar 19, 2011

The reviews for creatine nitrate are phenomenal. Just unveiled at NP. Hell of a price as well

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mr.cooper69 · Mar 19, 2011

I'd also look into magnesium creatine chelate by SNS. Many experience less bloating and decreased time to saturation while on MCC.

JudgementDay · Mar 19, 2011

AE14 said:
The reviews for creatine nitrate are phenomenal. Just unveiled at NP. Hell of a price as well

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Yes the reviews have been amazing for Creatine Nitrate, I would def give it a go over regular mono.

The effects from Creatine Nitrate will give you a much faster size effect, crazy pumps and better strength gains over traditional creatine.

You won't be disappointed!

T-Bone · Mar 19, 2011

Get Mono. Proven and years of studies and background.

BurghHardcore · Mar 19, 2011

mr.cooper69 said:
I'd also look into magnesium creatine chelate by SNS. Many experience less bloating and decreased time to saturation while on MCC.

I love MCC as well. VERY good Creatine choice IMO.

T-Bone said:
Get Mono. Proven and years of studies and background.

Yep, can't go wrong with Creatine Mono (or Creapure) either. I'll eventually get around to trying the Nitrate version, but that price tag is just stupid for a creatine.

R1balla · Mar 19, 2011

Mono has the great history behind it

Nitrate is the latest, hottest creatine product on the market

Im sure you can find logs on both of these and make a decision. good luck

T-Bone · Mar 19, 2011

Or you can just say that Mono has years of proven research proving its safety and results. Nitrate doesn't and is a fad supplement that provides nothing more than pumps and can cause dangerously low blood pressure if too much is taken.

WhatsaRoid? · Mar 19, 2011

Get CN you wont be let down, CN mono bloats me and upsets my stomach. CN is a winner in every category and it works after the first dose

khiladi · Mar 19, 2011

I am loving the SAN CM2 Nitrate, contains CN, Beta-Alanine and di-L-Arginine L-Malate. Very economical as well.

Docmattic · Mar 19, 2011

I respond best to tri-malate! So, thats what i use.

WhatsaRoid? · Mar 19, 2011

khiladi said:
I am loving the SAN CM2 Nitrate, contains CN, Beta-Alanine and di-L-Arginine L-Malate. Very economical as well.

I'm tryiing to spread the word this supp is number 1 right now.

Aleksandar37 · Mar 19, 2011

I vote for good old mono. The biggest complaint is bloating and if this is an issue, then try one of the others. Based on the goals you stated, I say mono though.

oufinny · Mar 19, 2011

Creatrate or creatine nitrate as it is formally called is safe, it is mono with nitrates or if you get APS it is di-creatine malate. All the haters, T-bone, you are becoming broken records. How about you give it a rest, let people make up their own damn minds.

OP, I say pick up some bulk creatine nitrate and give it a shot. Some very trusted members are giving it rave reviews; that is worth more than the million studies the haters reference but have NEVER read (be sure of that).

T-Bone · Mar 19, 2011

I'm just giving my opinion when someone asks. Just like all the APS reps give there "opinion" about CN.

oufinny · Mar 19, 2011

T-Bone said:
I'm just giving my opinion when someone asks. Just like all the APS reps give there "opinion" about CN.

Reps... THERE IS ONE REP for APS, JudgmentDay. Dude, you can't even make your point without being wrong, epic fail.

T-Bone · Mar 19, 2011

Like I said in the other thread- I Love you oufinny!.

james122 · Mar 19, 2011

oufinny said:
Creatrate or creatine nitrate as it is formally called is safe, it is mono with nitrates or if you get APS it is di-creatine malate. All the haters, T-bone, you are becoming broken records. How about you give it a rest, let people make up their own damn minds.

^ this

OP, I say pick up some bulk creatine nitrate and give it a shot. Some very trusted members are giving it rave reviews; that is worth more than the million studies the haters reference but have NEVER read (be sure of that).

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R1balla · Mar 19, 2011

you guys are going to laugh at me, but i like CEE

Aleksandar37 · Mar 19, 2011

R1balla said:
you guys are going to laugh at me, but i like CEE

If it works for you, then it works

. I personally like tbone's blunt opinions and have yet to see solid evidence that any extra group added to creatine helps make it a better product, whether it be EE or nitrate or whatever. As with any product, one will work great for one individual and another will do jack **** or have horrible sides for another.

Bodybuilding in general is a lot of personal experimentation. That goes for lifting routines and supplements.

R1balla · Mar 19, 2011

Aleksandar37 said:
If it works for you, then it works . I personally like tbone's blunt opinions and have yet to see solid evidence that any extra group added to creatine helps make it a better product, whether it be EE or nitrate or whatever. As with any product, one will work great for one individual and another will do jack **** or have horrible sides for another.

Bodybuilding in general is a lot of personal experimentation. That goes for lifting routines and supplements.

exactly. every person is going to experience it differently.

JudgementDay · Mar 20, 2011

oufinny said:
Reps... THERE IS ONE REP for APS, JudgmentDay. Dude, you can't even make your point without being wrong, epic fail.

All the guy does is hate on APS lol If he is saying Creatine Nitrate will only cause pumps and low blood pressure then it shows how much he knows....

Aleksandar37 · Mar 20, 2011

JudgementDay said:
All the guy does is hate on APS lol If he is saying Creatine Nitrate will only cause pumps and low blood pressure then it shows how much he knows....

Do you guys have any numbers on how much more soluble creatine nitrate is to monohydrate? I'm just curious what the big difference is.

Also, is the idea that the creatine will break off and do its thing and the nitrate will convert to NO and do its thing? That is what it sounds like in the description, but the nitrate pathway doesn't seem as effective as arginine.

JudgementDay · Mar 20, 2011

Aleksandar37 said:
Do you guys have any numbers on how much more soluble creatine nitrate is to monohydrate? I'm just curious what the big difference is.

Also, is the idea that the creatine will break off and do its thing and the nitrate will convert to NO and do its thing? That is what it sounds like in the description, but the nitrate pathway doesn't seem as effective as arginine.

Iron_Mutant · Mar 20, 2011

Thanks for all the replies guys...I would just like to say that I am against taking straight mono due to the fact that it adds water weight. i dislike water weight and would like to see how big i actually am rather than how big the water can make me look. and R1balla, no laughs, i used EE for several months and like it a lot..now im using kre-alkalyn and see great gains off of that. everyone responds differently to the creatines...i most likely will try nitrate because i have heard a lot of good stuff about it. so thanks for all the replies everyone

AE14 · Mar 20, 2011

Just from a personal preference, Mono and CEE have never done anything for me. DCM has been the best for me thus far, but I have yet to try CN, which is on the agenda shortly.

To the op, you need to try a little bit of all the different types and see what works for you, as everyone is different

Aleksandar37 · Mar 20, 2011

JudgementDay said:
According to a UCLA study, Creatine Nitrate is 1000% more water soluble than Creatine Mono.

I believe Creatine Nitrate will increase nitric oxide more then arginine, maybe if arginine is used through IV, but If your used to taking an arginine and creatine mono, creatine nitrate will blow you away. The pumps, endurance, strength and overall athletic performance will be increased much more then Creatine mono and arginine.

I don't understand why people keep claiming that arginine only works if used I.V.

Here is one of many showing the effect both I.V. and orally:
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Of course the I.V. increase is greater than the oral, but the oral is still significant.

Now that isn't to say the nitrate isn't better, but I haven't seen a study yet that shows that the nitrate to nitrite to NO pathway is more effective or effecient than the arginine to NO pathway. Under normal biological conditions, arginine converts to NO through the NOS enzyme (which does not break down NO as some product sites still claim despite my emails cough cough lol).

Also, was that UCLA study published or do you at least have their findings? I'm not trying to be a **** or pick on you. Your product could very well be all it claims to be and more, but most of us on here like to see numbers behind claims. Otherwise I may just go to GNC and buy whatever protein Ronny or Cutler are blindly advertising for these days lol.

Aleksandar37 · Mar 20, 2011

Iron_Mutant said:
Thanks for all the replies guys...I would just like to say that I am against taking straight mono due to the fact that it adds water weight. i dislike water weight and would like to see how big i actually am rather than how big the water can make me look. and R1balla, no laughs, i used EE for several months and like it a lot..now im using kre-alkalyn and see great gains off of that. everyone responds differently to the creatines...i most likely will try nitrate because i have heard a lot of good stuff about it. so thanks for all the replies everyone

Sounds like a great plan. I saw that you were going for sheer size in the original post which is why I said mono, but yes, for some it bloats them up like a balloon. The nitrate or the one you are using now may help avoid that. Good luck!

JudgementDay · Mar 20, 2011

Aleksandar37 said:
I don't understand why people keep claiming that arginine only works if used I.V.

Here is one of many showing the effect both I.V. and orally:
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Of course the I.V. increase is greater than the oral, but the oral is still significant.

Now that isn't to say the nitrate isn't better, but I haven't seen a study yet that shows that the nitrate to nitrite to NO pathway is more effective or effecient than the arginine to NO pathway. Under normal biological conditions, arginine converts to NO through the NOS enzyme (which does not break down NO as some product sites still claim despite my emails cough cough lol).

Also, was that UCLA study published or do you at least have their findings? I'm not trying to be a **** or pick on you. Your product could very well be all it claims to be and more, but most of us on here like to see numbers behind claims. Otherwise I may just go to GNC and buy whatever protein Ronny or Cutler are blindly advertising for these days lol.

Check this out it's a pretty good read, Invalid Link Removed

Here is a study showing how much more soluble CN is over other creatines, Invalid Link Removed

Not sure if you have tried GPLC yet, but they have some studies showing it had better effects in performance then agrinine and showed to increase N.O levels as much as dosing 30g's of arginine.

Aleksandar37 · Mar 20, 2011

JudgementDay said:
Check this out it's a pretty good read, Invalid Link Removed

Here is a study showing how much more soluble CN is over other creatines, Invalid Link Removed

Not sure if you have tried GPLC yet, but they have some studies showing it had better effects in performance then agrinine and showed to increase N.O levels as much as dosing 30g's of arginine.

The first set of articles, or at least the first article, make a good case for argingine doing nothing significant. Unfortunately in science, I can find a dozen articles on both sides of pretty much any argument. It's pretty frustrating. The second set of articles doesn't make the case for nitrates at all. In fact, one is solely about the arginine pathway since they used L-NAME (i.e. a NOS inhibitor that I use all the time). We'll just have to agree to diagree on this or it will go on forever

But if you want to send a sample my way, I'll gladly run it and give you my honest opinion.

And thank you for the solubility study. It does show a significant increase in solubility over monohydrate which is a big plus!

StackedCop · Mar 20, 2011

Aleksandar37 said:
The first set of articles, or at least the first article, make a good case for argingine doing nothing significant. Unfortunately in science, I can find a dozen articles on both sides of pretty much any argument. It's pretty frustrating. The second set of articles doesn't make the case for nitrates at all. In fact, one is solely about the arginine pathway since they used L-NAME (i.e. a NOS inhibitor that I use all the time). We'll just have to agree to diagree on this or it will go on forever But if you want to send a sample my way, I'll gladly run it and give you my honest opinion.

And thank you for the solubility study. It does show a significant increase in solubility over monohydrate which is a big plus!

I would like to get this guys opinion on CN. If JD doesn't send you any I will.

JudoJosh · Mar 20, 2011

StakedCop said:
I would like to get this guys opinion on CN. If JD doesn't send you any I will.

Hey while your at it send some my way too

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JudoJosh · Mar 20, 2011

Aleksandar37 said:
Do you guys have any numbers on how much more soluble creatine nitrate is to monohydrate? I'm just curious what the big difference is.

Also, is the idea that the creatine will break off and do its thing and the nitrate will convert to NO and do its thing? That is what it sounds like in the description, but the nitrate pathway doesn't seem as effective as arginine.

There is only a couple studies that I am aware of, this CN is fairly new I believe and is catching steam and I expect lots more studies will come in the near future

As for the pathways I believe you are correct. What the CN does is separates and works independently, what makes the creatine more effective is the increased NO in the blood.

I was reading the patent info on CN earlier today and there was some talk about arginine but I don't remember fully to what extent.

From personal experience with creatine nitrate, specifically APS creatine nitrate, it is incredible! But again this is my experience with it (along with MANY others) and I agree 100% there isn't any one ultimate diet, training, or supplement. Only way to know for sure what works for you is to just try it

Aleksandar37 · Mar 20, 2011

I will add that I love that APS doesn't include caffeine in their product. I get that companies want to give you that jolt of energy with caffeine and the increased blood flow with NO, but combining a vasodilator (NO) with a vasoconstrictor (caffeine) makes my head want to explode.

JudgementDay · Mar 21, 2011

Aleksandar37 said:
The first set of articles, or at least the first article, make a good case for argingine doing nothing significant. Unfortunately in science, I can find a dozen articles on both sides of pretty much any argument. It's pretty frustrating. The second set of articles doesn't make the case for nitrates at all. In fact, one is solely about the arginine pathway since they used L-NAME (i.e. a NOS inhibitor that I use all the time). We'll just have to agree to diagree on this or it will go on forever But if you want to send a sample my way, I'll gladly run it and give you my honest opinion.

And thank you for the solubility study. It does show a significant increase in solubility over monohydrate which is a big plus!

I really wish I could do some more sponsored logs but I already picked a bunch of logs last week and went over the limit a bit. After the Testalensis logs we will be looking for some loggers when we do our Fat Burner promo. If you follow us on twitter and facebook you we give away free products every month.

Pm on the way.

reconstructn · Mar 24, 2011

Aleksandar37 said:
I will add that I love that APS doesn't include caffeine in their product. I get that companies want to give you that jolt of energy with caffeine and the increased blood flow with NO, but combining a vasodilator (NO) with a vasoconstrictor (caffeine) makes my head want to explode.

+1

Concentrated Caffeine kills my blood ph and makes me hyperventilate. When the blood vessels in the brain start constricting...out you go. Thinking im going to pick up a bottle of San or APS, I respond well to Kre-Alk and bloat like a fish with CM

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