Clen’s Ongoing Log of Insanity

That is only 300mg of aromatiseable compounds, but similar to tren, superdrol might be displacing the test from receptors making more available for aromatisation.
 
ChocolateClen said:
Oh I’m on 6.25 mg of proviron daily as well and 10mg of cialis
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Feeling anything from proviron at that tiny dose? Never heard anyone running it that low.

It is an unmethylated oral with terrible bioavailability, like 3%. I would take it under the tongue if taking such a small dose.
 
Proviron is esentially side-free at these doses so you dont have to worry. Over here where i live it is prrscribed, up to 75mg per day.
 
CroLifter said:
Feeling anything from proviron at that tiny dose? Never heard anyone running it that low.
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I’m probably going to up it but I was told to just run it to free up some test and keep SHBG locked up so to speak. Gonna try out a full tab (25mg) and see if there’s a difference. I just didn’t want to change my SD dose and that at the same time in case **** hit the fan. The 6.25 was mostly just to try it out and make sure nothing crazy happened with it.

This 4 week mini cycle is really just to try everything out for the real one probably early next year once we get my test dosage figured out.
 
Sorry for the spam, bad reception in the building.

Realized a tab was 25mg not 12.5 so I changed that

Because I know I’m gyno prone and I have Bp issues I figured I’d start everything on the safe side and work up, especially with the SD and prov since I hadn’t run them before
 
Cardiologist went pretty well.
BP was 151/74 and 141/70 in the left Right was 154/82 and 148/??

Cardiologist is worried about the two significantly different numbers, should be less on my right side. Getting a carotid artery scan to see if anything is up as well as a brachial artery Doppler scan.

Getting an ECHO done on my heart to make sure there’s no issues there, she thinks I may have some aortic narrowing which could be increasing my BP.

Also going to get a 24hr urine analysis done to check Renin levels, because I’m super salt sensitive this will determine what BP meds they put me on.

They are leaning to some that either help excrete salt, or there’s one that lowers BP and acts as Cialis in a way so I get the best of both world and my dick stays big 😂
 
Take care of that bp it is weird that it is that high at your age.

That alone is a much, much larger risk factor than using testosterone,
 
CroLifter said:
Take care of that bp it is weird for ypou at that age.

That alone is a much, much larger risk factor than using testosterone,
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I am! That’s why I went to see the cardiologist. I’ll probably be on BP meds forever but honestly that’s better than having kidney failure or some ****.
 
Definitely. 150 systolic is not good, and it can only get worse with age.

Make sure your bp doesnt go up significantly on a blast. Cialis will help. I also heard good things about carditone.

Also eat a sh1t ton of garlic. I eat 2-3 cloves every day plus what i put in the food. Especially now as the flu season approaches.

Think about it, it helps you fight infection in more than one way. Not only is it healthy, but you will drastically reduce the number of people in your very proximity 😂.
 
CroLifter said:
Definitely. 150 systolic is not good, and it can only get worse with age.

Make sure your bp doesnt go up significantly on a blast. Cialis will help. I also heard good things about carditone.

Also eat a sh1t ton of garlic. I eat 2-3 cloves every day plus what i put in the food.
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The 150 was probably partly cause I was up and moving a bit before, also doctors kinda stress me out. It went down a bit later on when they re took it but yeah it’s probably my genes since it runs in the family. They aren’t worried about getting me on anything ASAP though till they get the echo done and stuff. Nothing has seemed to really help including the carditone but I’ll still take it all anyway for now
 
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The doc was aware of everything you are taking already or no?
 
CroLifter said:
Definitely. 150 systolic is not good, and it can only get worse with age.

Make sure your bp doesnt go up significantly on a blast. Cialis will help. I also heard good things about carditone.

Also eat a sh1t ton of garlic. I eat 2-3 cloves every day plus what i put in the food. Especially now as the flu season approaches.

Think about it, it helps you fight infection in more than one way. Not only is it healthy, but you will drastically reduce the number of people in your very proximity .
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Garlic pills are great for lipids and immune system too! I like to always include this on cycle.
 
MrKleen73 said:
The doc was aware of everything you are taking already or no?
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Everything but the SD and Prop. All the shops I take etc.

Garlic seems like a smart option but after talking with the cardiologist, she thinks it’s genetic and I’m going to have to take meds for it. She told me sometimes the hawthorn works for people sake with the carditone but for others it doesn’t always Work. Gonna get some testing done though to see what Bp meds would work the best since I’m not over weight.

My BMI puts me in the overweight category though so we had a nice long chat about how flawed that system is. Smart woman, even offered me a job running some of the Doppler systems since I knew how to do it from college
 
Bad news guys, I left my SD and Prop at home. Shame cause it’s chest day. I guess it’ll be good to see how much of a difference it really makes
 
Week 7 Day 2

Weight: 198
Machine Press: 225,225,225
Incline Bench: 135,155,185
Dips: BW,10,10
Machine Flies: 120,120,120
Lateral Partials: 25,25,25,25
Chest sup Rear Delt Flies: 10,15,15
Single arm pushdowns: 90,90,90,90
DB Tri Extentions: 20,20,20,20

Overall not a great workout compared the last week. The SD really makes a big difference not only in pump but also just energy. I felt like I was dragging a bit of ass today and I COULD NOT get a good chest pump compared to the days I was on SD. Just didn’t feel it when I was doing incline and the machine flies help a little but just didn’t feel the same.

I got a good tri pump but still no where near SD levels. I can already tell it’s going to suck coming off SD.

Face feels less puffy, nips don’t hurt as much so I assume the exem has worked. Getting more vascular as well which I assume is from a drop in water I’m holding. Probably had high estrogen so either the exem or prov has helped me out, maybe both.

Getting compliments that I look bigger, the gf is super pleased with how big I’m getting. I’m also seeing some more facial hair growth which is nice, haven’t seen any major shedding on the head yet either which is a plus.
 
Hahahah when you refer to the shedding...i thought my hair was invincible but now when i take a closer look...it doesnt seem like it 😆

I am sure after the next year's cycle i am going to be one balding mfer 😂
Nizoral shampoo can only do so much...and i regularly forget to use it.

On a more serious side, proviron is probably helping the vascularity too. I am not that lean but still notice increased vascularity after taking proviron.

btw solution for coming off SD...i heard trestolone gives great pumps 😆.
 
CroLifter said:
Hahahah when you refer to the shedding...i thought my hair was invincible but now when i take a closer look...it doesnt seem like it

I am sure after the next year's cycle i am going to be one balding mfer
Nizoral shampoo can only do so much...and i regularly forget to use it.

On a more serious side, proviron is probably helping the vascularity too. I am not that lean but still notice increased vascularity after taking proviron.

btw solution for coming off SD...i heard trestolone gives great pumps .
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I noticed bad shedding with Msten and DmZ. I need to get some of that shampoo, I use hair surge by ultrex labs and it’s helped a lot.

I think I was just holding a lot of water from high estrogen but who knows at this point. The prov is nice though noticing a change from upping that to 25mg. But the SD just blows everything out of the water in terms of feeling good and increased pumps.

I have to come off everything for bloodwork sadly :(
 
Imho 100mg test is a really good dose especially if it puts you into high normal and will let you maintain better than natural physique as you will have an advantage when dieting and its the dose you can use for life.

At least you got that.
 
CroLifter said:
Imho 100mg test is a really good dose especially if it puts you into high normal and will let you maintain better than natural physique as you will have an advantage when dieting and its the dose you can use for life.

At least you got that.
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Puts me a bit too high at 1024 but I think 75mg would be a bitch to figure out and 50mg put me too low so I’m just gonna stay at the 100. Bit high but I’ll keep an eye on RBC count etc
 
ChocolateClen said:
I already am haha, that was with a split dose Monday and Thursday
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Damn that is a trough levels?

You can always dilute the test with some sterile oil (you can run some good quality sesame oil through a .22 um filter i do it all the time).

btw i think you can get test cyp 100mg/ml and then you can run 80mg.

since you will be doing for life i would be looking to be optimal and avoid issues.
you are young so you can get away with 1000 now but i am not usre as you get older tbh.

Imho it is better to be on a true trt and say have a structured blast 10-12 weeks once per year than to constantly be dabbling into supreapharmacological range.
 
CroLifter said:
Damn that is a trough levels?

You can always dilute the test with some sterile oil (you can run some good quality sesame oil through a .22 um filter i do it all the time).

btw i think you can get test cyp 100mg/ml and then you can run 80mg.

since you will be doing for life i would be looking to be optimal and avoid issues.
you are young so you can get away with 1000 now but i am not usre as you get older tbh.

Imho it is better to be on a true trt and say have a structured blast 10-12 weeks once per year than to constantly be dabbling into supreapharmacological range.
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Yeah I’d like to be about 750 but I have the 200mg/ml vials and I have like 16 of them left. Makes it difficult to figure out but that was taken the day before my next injection so it was as close to trough levels as possible.

I used to have the 100mg/ml 10ml vial but for whatever reason insurance was like “nah fam” but I needed up paying like $40 out of pocket for the 18 vials of 200mg/ml anyway.

Shits complicated
 
ChocolateClen said:
Yeah I’d like to be about 750 but I have the 200mg/ml vials and I have like 16 of them left. Makes it difficult to figure out but that was taken the day before my next injection so it was as close to trough levels as possible.

I used to have the 100mg/ml 10ml vial but for whatever reason insurance was like “nah fam” but I needed up paying like $40 out of pocket for the 18 vials of 200mg/ml anyway.

Shits complicated
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You have 2 options

1) cut the test with sterile oil as i described

2) use 0.5ml syringes and dose 0.2 2x per week

I would stick to no.2 if you dont want to mess with filtering.

I see no difference between dosing 0.25 and 0.2 tbh.

0.2 is what i used with 1ml syringes all the time since my test is 250mg/ml.

Try 80mg.
 
CroLifter said:
You have 2 options

1) cut the test with sterile oil as i described

2) use 0.5ml syringes and dose 0.2 2x per week
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Think I have some 1s laying around somewhere but I’m getting blood work done again in a few weeks, ~10-14 days after I finish this 4 week run so I’ll stay on the .5ml for now since that’s what the doc expects me to stay on. Don’t want to come back with different numbers even if I’ll be a little higher than I should.
 
Week 7 day 4

Weight: 199.5
Pronated Rows: 135,150,155
N Grip Pulldowns: 150,150,155,155
Face Pulls: Red Band x2
Zottoman Curls: 25,25,25
Concentration curls: 25,25,25

I did a bit of legs in there as well since I missed leg day yesterday. Did 1 and 1/2 squats for 3 sets of 8 with a slow eccentric motion and man that made my ass hurt.

The difference between being in SD and off is pretty crazy, I see the difference especially in my forearm pumps, those get crazy intense.

The before cycle pictures to now are awesome, I’m seeing a huge change in my back and arms, not so much chest and abs or legs but my back is just blowing up. By fair my fav compound I’ve ever run aside from the BP issues.

I’ll get the Bp issues taken care of soon just need to get a urine analysis done to see if I’m exerting too much renin and that’s causing me to hold on to too much salt. Probably not and it’s just genetic but they want to check everything.

Have an echo scheduled for Tuesday.
 
Week 7 Day 5

Weight: 199

DB Flies: 20,25,30
Superset w/
DB Bench 20,25,30
Cable Press: 225,225,255,225
Lateral Raises: 10,15,15,15
Cable Pushdowns: 135,180,180
DB tri extensions 15,20,20

Woke up feeling like ass, think I’m slightly sick and I haven’t been sleeping too well. Think the sleep is from the SD to be honest but who knows.

Didn’t take my SD today, felt like it would have been a waste. I’ll pin the prop when I get home later but I was only really able to give like 85% today. Still did it but not as well as I would have wanted
 
Weekend was pretty ****, had to do a 24 hour piss test to check kidney function before I start BP meds. So I didn’t lift at all, didn’t take SD either.

Popped some exem this weekend as well cause nips hurt again. 12.5 mg this time.

Felt really small this weekend, probably the dehydration plus the Exem but I feel like I lost 10 inches on my arms. :(

Also noticing a bit more facial and body hair, not too much shedding on the head which is nice. Not a lot of new hairs in the beard but there’s a few. I’m hoping it thickens back up, I lost a lot of it when I went through that bout of low Test


Week 8 Day 1

Weight: 196.2 -dehydrated from piss test, took exem as well so down on water weight. Probably most accurate true weight atm.

Meadows Row: 125,125,125,125
Rack Rubs: 135,135,135
Straight Arm Pushdowns: 75,80,80,80
Chest Sup Pronated Rows: 60,75,75,75
Standing alternate DB Curls: 35,35,35

Had to cut it a bit short because I had to get back to work, will be doing more bis later today.

Edit: Finished off bis with:
Rope Curls: 57.5,57.5,57.5
Standing Bicep Curls (Held outside of handle): 25,25,25
Reverse DB Curls: 10,10,10
 
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Question for y’all, does SD cause people issues with sleep? I’ve been waking up every night between 2 and 3 am and this only just started. Not sure why but I assume it’s the SD
 
SOunds like you are trying to get things squared away. I got some oral SD from a buddy, LGI 3 bottles @ $10 a piece, stoked about them but waiting to run anything until I can get an MRI on my Lower trap / Teres Minor area. If no need for surgery then I will probably run some low dose, if so then I am going to hold off until I get healed up then use it to regain some mass!
 
Week 8 Day 2
Weight: 198.75

Bench Press: 135,205,205,205
Incline Bench: 155,165,175
DB Bench: 60,70,70/55/40
Machine Flies: 120,90,90
DB Lat Raises: 15,15,15
Dual rope Pushdowns: 225,225,195,195
Lying DB Extensions: 15,15,15

Got a compliment today on how much bigger and leaner I look. Don’t think I’ve lost any bodyfat, maybe a % or 2 so I’m happy. Lift today was intense, I have some pics from when I started this program to where I am today. Don’t see much of a change though but everyone else says that I’m a lot bigger so I don’t know.

Repped our 205 today which is something I haven’t done since I switched programs, very surprised I could hit and get all my reps

Going to the hospital in a bit to get an ECHO done on my heart to check for abnormalities before I start Bp meds. I am noticing a bit of yellow in the whites of my eyes as well, not super dark but it’s there. They are also a bit more red though so I don’t know if that’s just from the redness or if it’s a sign of liver issues. Upping the Tudca to 1.5g a day to see if that helps out. I don’t feel awful, mentally a bit tired but if I’m up and moving I feel fine. It’s once I sit down I get tired.
 
MrKleen73 said:
SOunds like you are trying to get things squared away. I got some oral SD from a buddy, LGI 3 bottles @ $10 a piece, stoked about them but waiting to run anything until I can get an MRI on my Lower trap / Teres Minor area. If no need for surgery then I will probably run some low dose, if so then I am going to hold off until I get healed up then use it to regain some mass!
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Grab some BPC and TB 500 for that issue if you have someone that can pin you. Shits amazing. 100/10 would always have some on hand if it wasn’t a bitch to deal with and handle
 
ChocolateClen said:
Grab some BPC and TB 500 for that issue if you have someone that can pin you. Shits amazing. 100/10 would always have some on hand if it wasn’t a bitch to deal with and handle
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I have some on hand, just no one to administer back there. No way my wife would give me a shot. Not happening she would freak out. They will also go systemic to a degree so may end up going that route. Also contemplating some MK-677 but not right now, I need those abs to come in and that stuff makes me puffy as hell.
 
Noticing something weird happening with my beard, it looks like it’s thinning out but I’m also getting new hairs in places where I didn’t originally have beard hair.

Anyone had a reason why it could be thinning but I’m seeing new growth? I was thinking maybe the prop is causing a rise in DHT and that’s triggering new growth which is pushing the older hairs out?

Curious, don’t think I’m permanently losing hair but it would be nice tk know what’s going on behind the scenes
 
Week 8 Day 3

Weight 198.5
1.5 Squats: 135,135,135
Prone Hamstring Curls: 65,65,65

Gym was fucking packed today but I wasn’t going to do much either. Wanted to focus on really getting a good connection with my legs today so I did some 1.5s to feel the burn. Finished off with some slow eccentric hamstring curls to really pump the hammers up.

Had a hard time walking after this, which is good because I didn’t have a whole lot of time to workout today anyway.
 
Week 8 Day 3

Weight 198.5
1.5 Squats: 135,135,135
Prone Hamstring Curls: 65,65,65

Gym was fucking packed today but I wasn’t going to do much either. Wanted to focus on really getting a good connection with my legs today so I did some 1.5s to feel the burn. Finished off with some slow eccentric hamstring curls to really pump the hammers up.

Had a hard time walking after this, which is good because I didn’t have a whole lot of time to workout today anyway.
 
Not sure if y’all would want progress pics. I never post pictures cause I always feel small compared to everyone else but I have pictures from week one, week 4 and week 8. Nothing crazy just one pose but it would be something if y’all want it.
 
ChocolateClen said:
Not sure if y’all would want progress pics. I never post pictures cause I always feel small compared to everyone else but I have pictures from week one, week 4 and week 8. Nothing crazy just one pose but it would be something if y’all want it.
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Hell Yeah post em up!!!
 
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Haven’t seen as much of a change as I’d like in my chest and arms, my back has exploded but it’s hard taking good pictures of my back. Firearms are definitely bigger as well but overall it’s been kinda meh for me. I’m hoping the next 2 weeks really pack the lbs on. I’m slowly losing bodyfat % as well though so that could be impacting it.
 
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Here’s my sleep for the past month as well guys, been meaning to post it. As you can see it’s gotten worse since I started this cycle, I want to say the SD is to blame but I don’t know for sure.
 
Could be it is a progesterone. You are looking much better obviously leaner bigger and tighter!
 
MrKleen73 said:
Could be it is a progesterone. You are looking much better obviously leaner bigger and tighter!
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Thanks Kleen! Glad someone is seeing the results cause I feel like I’m the same lol.

Before I head in to a dead area and don’t have service I wanted to post for today.

Pinned prop and TrT dose today. Yesterday I must have hit a vein or something because holy FUARK does my leg hurt. **** hurts to walk lol.

Will be eating a lot today.
 
Week 8 Day 4

Weight: 200.0lbs - WAHOOOOO

Chin-ups: 19,15,12,12
1/2 Straight Arm Pulldowns: 75,75,75,75
Pronated close grip Pulldowns: 135,135,135
Preacher curls: 30,25,25
Zottoman Curls: 30,30
Incline Crunches w/Twist: 6,6,6

Pinned 12mg of SD 30 min pre workout and had a bit of carbs plus caffeine. Holy fucking ****, I felt like I could knock down every wall in that gym. The focus and intensity was asinine. I was just grinding out the chin ups, I got one and then another and a mother and another. Had such an awesome pump too.

I’ll be upping the TUDCA to 2g and the choline to 3g and the I sit ok to 3 gram split am and pm. No yellowing of the eyes yet so I should be gtg
 
Cardiologist called, heart is in perfect condition even though I don’t do any cardio haha. Means my Bp issues are mostly genetic which sucks but also is good because I don’t have to worry about anything being wrong. Have to double check but I think his is my last week on this cycle which saddens me cause I love it so much. I’ll be picking up more SD

Was thinking of maybe getting some anavar or some M1T, not sure though but I’m super happy with the way SD has treated me and I haven’t seen a whole lot of shedding either which is awesome. I saw a ton of hair loss after my Msten and dmz cycle
 
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You’re definitely looking leaner bro. Can see your abs more your traps are way bigger and shoulders have gained for sure. Tough to tell how far along your arms have come when you’re relaxed but I would bet it’s more than you think
Edited to say that I expected you to be black from the username 🤦🏻‍♂️
 
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You’re definitely looking leaner bro. Can see your abs more your traps are way bigger and shoulders have gained for sure. Tough to tell how far along your arms have come when you’re relaxed but I would bet it’s more than you think
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Thanks! Yeah I should have flexed and gotten more pictures but I didn’t, I’m not great at posing so I went with whatever I thought could show off the most. I wish I had a before picture of my back
 
Week 8 Day 5

Machine Press: 85,130,180,190,190,190
Machine Flies: 150,150,150,150
PCr Minor dips: 20,20,20
Superset w/
3/4 Dips: 20,20,20
Machine Lateral Raises: 60,90,90,90
V Bar pushdowns: 57.5,67.5,67.5
Kettle Bell Extensions: 30,30,30

No weight for today, different gym so different scale. Didn’t bother. Had an insane pump from this workout, boobies hurt like crazy after. As you can see I bumped up everything quite a bit because I just felt fucking awesome.

I took the SD at home then drove to the gym (~30 min drive). I was be ok’ing increasingly annoyed and pissed at the bad drivers and it got progressively worse as the SD kicked in. At one point flipped of someone doing 55 in the left lane once I passed them. I never normally do that lol. Needless to say, I won’t be touching Tren anytime soon. I think I’d rip some heads off or some **** like that.
 
Week 9 Day 1

Weight: 200

DB Rows: 80,90,100,100
Banded Chins: 17,12,12,9
Seated Low row: 135,135,135
DB Pullovers: 50,70,70
Hanging Leg Raises: 12,12,12
EZ Bar Preacher Curls: 65,65,65,65
Hammer Curls: 30,30,30
Concentration curls: 15,15,15

12mg SD preworkout. Felt amazing. Just endless energy and insane pumps. Even did an extra set of Bis cause I didn’t want the workout to end. Def seeing changes in my abs, I know I’ve lost some body fat, how much I’m not sure but I’ll re test at the end of the week for y’all.

Noticing a bit of yellowing in my eyes. It’s not much, pretty faint but it’s there. Def wouldn’t run this stuff for 4 weeks, maybe max 3 at 12 mg.

My “PCT” plan is to finish this week then wait a week and do bloods for my TRT. Should have everything out in time. Maybe pop a bit of extra exem in the mean time to keep estrogen down so my PSA isn’t crazy high. I’ll be running the choline and insitol as well as tudca for 4 weeks after my cycle to help clean up the liver. Thinking 3 g of each for 2 weeks then 1.5 then back off completely.
 
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