Clen’s Ongoing Log of Insanity

[ChocolateClen]

Throwing this log in here because it’s gonna just be a weekly or maybe sometimes daily log of my TRT life at 22. I put this here cause once everything settles down and I get my numbers in range etc I’ll probably just blast and cruise when I want too so I figured here was the best place.

Starting stats:
189lbs
14% bf (handheld scanner +-4%)
-Probably more around 16-18%
Test levels: 233
Free test: 70

Current stats:
193.75
14% bf (3 site)
Test levels: 942


TRT protocol: .5ml of 200mg/ml Test cyp weekly in two .25ml IM injections (mon, thurs)

What I currently take off cycle:
Ralox: 120mg ed
Orange Triad + greens: 2scoops daily
Cialis: 5mg EOD unless needed then 5mg daily

Current Cycle (started 11/11/19)
4weeks

SD: 8mg Ed
Test Prop: 210mg/wk
Test Cyp: TRT Dose
Prov: 6.25mg Ed
Carditone: 1 pill
Choline Bitartrate: 4 pills (940 mg)
TUDCA: 1000mg
Cialis: 10mg ed
Rogaine: 2x daily for hair loss prevention + shampoo

 

[ValiantThor08]

Be careful with finasteride. Using for the hairline? I would use nizoral instead if that is the case.

 

[ChocolateClen]

Be careful with finasteride. Using for the hairline? I would use nizoral instead if that is the case.

I’m using it to combat hair loss everywhere, including body hair not just the hairline. It seems pretty safe at 1mg I’ve read. 5mg gets dicey with some stuff but it seems to return to normal after you discontinue use (unless you have prostate cancer then you’re fucked). I don’t plan on using it forever just till my body hair stops falling out from everywhere. I assume it’s falling out due to low DHT from low testosterone, but I’m not sure 100%

I did use rogaine for a bit but I stopped because I had a 2 week trip and you can’t take aerosol cans on planes anymore. It’s also not a long term fix sadly. It also gave me ED issues I think, not sure how since I already had a hard time getting it up to begin with but once I stopped it seemed to be a bit easier

Will be talking to the endo soon at which point things may change. Hoping I can get ahold of some HCG as well after the talk as that’ll be good long term I think.

 

[ChocolateClen]

So those of you who know me know that I don’t sleep, like at all. I average about 4 hours a night I’d say and about 50% quality. Since starting TRT my sleep is slowly getting better % wise. I hit 60% last night though I woke up with some nip pain so it seems my estrogen is rising again as well. For whatever reason my gyno is super sensitive so either my test is too high, or my body just isn’t used to it. Either way I’ll be seeing the doc to get bloodwork done on estrogen levels just to see where they are at.

 

[ValiantThor08]

So those of you who know me know that I don’t sleep, like at all. I average about 4 hours a night I’d say and about 50% quality. Since starting TRT my sleep is slowly getting better % wise. I hit 60% last night though I woke up with some nip pain so it seems my estrogen is rising again as well. For whatever reason my gyno is super sensitive so either my test is too high, or my body just isn’t used to it. Either way I’ll be seeing the doc to get bloodwork done on estrogen levels just to see where they are at.

I believe finasteride can exasperate gyno.

 

[ChocolateClen]

I believe finasteride can exasperate gyno.

Oh damn, I didn’t see that anywhere online but if that’s true that sucks. I have Ralox and stuff but I don’t want to go fing around with my hormones when the doctors are trying to figure them out. It only really happened when I started the TRT but maybe it wasn’t in my system long enough for me to feel a difference. I’ll have to look in to this more

 

[ValiantThor08]

Finasteride induced gynecomastia: Case report and review of the literature Ramot Y, Czarnowicki T, Zlotogorski A - Int J Trichol

Int J Trichol, Official publication of The Hair Research Society of INDIA

www.ijtrichology.com

 

[ChocolateClen]

Interesting, was never informed of that by anyone, including the pharmacists. Guess I’ll be seeing my doctor on Monday just to get more bloodwork done to make sure it’s not from the TRT. If everything comes back normal then I guess I’ll be stopping. Even when researching online it never came up with articles for it, talked more about prostate stuff than anything else

 

[ValiantThor08]

Interesting, was never informed of that by anyone, including the pharmacists. Guess I’ll be seeing my doctor on Monday just to get more bloodwork done to make sure it’s not from the TRT. If everything comes back normal then I guess I’ll be stopping. Even when researching online it never came up with articles for it, talked more about prostate stuff than anything else

Hopefully your doc doesn't brush off the info or your concerns.

 

[ChocolateClen]

Hopefully your doc doesn't brush off the info or your concerns.

Hopefully not but I’m seeing an endo in a few weeks who I know actually cares about people and stuff. I don’t think my doc will but who knows these days. The bloodwork will help for sure. Rather lose my hair than have moobs

 

[ChocolateClen]

So my boobs were pretty sore today, and there’s noticeable swelling on my left side. Won’t be able to see the doc till Monday so I decided I’d just take 25 mg exemistane and 50mg of Ralox to try and knock it down. Not sure if my TRT dose is too high or my existing gyno is super sensitive but I’m not looking forward to this if I have to take more stuff forever. Might just bite the bullet and get the surgery at this point.

I was really hoping to not have to take the ai and Ralox because I don’t want my test levels to be messed up but I also don’t want to grow moobs in the process. Considering how fast it popped up I’d rather not take any chances.

Hopefully someone has had the surgery and can talk about the recovery times etc

 

[ValiantThor08]

So my boobs were pretty sore today, and there’s noticeable swelling on my left side. Won’t be able to see the doc till Monday so I decided I’d just take 25 mg exemistane and 50mg of Ralox to try and knock it down. Not sure if my TRT dose is too high or my existing gyno is super sensitive but I’m not looking forward to this if I have to take more stuff forever. Might just bite the bullet and get the surgery at this point.

I was really hoping to not have to take the ai and Ralox because I don’t want my test levels to be messed up but I also don’t want to grow moobs in the process. Considering how fast it popped up I’d rather not take any chances.

Hopefully someone has had the surgery and can talk about the recovery times etc

If you are on trt now, the the ralox won't really mess with your test levels. From those that I have heard that had gotten surgery, recovery was pretty quick.

 

[ChocolateClen]

If you are on trt now, the the ralox won't really mess with your test levels. From those that I have heard that had gotten surgery, recovery was pretty quick.

I’m mostly worried about the time I’ll lose outside of the gym due to the surgery not gonna lie lol. Insurance won’t cover it which sucks but if I can get it all removed and I won’t ever have to deal with it again like I have been since I was 15, I’d be a happy man.

Didn’t even think about this when I started the trt because I got it down a lot with Ralox and it hadn’t bothered me since

 

[ValiantThor08]

I’m mostly worried about the time I’ll lose outside of the gym due to the surgery not gonna lie lol. Insurance won’t cover it which sucks but if I can get it all removed and I won’t ever have to deal with it again like I have been since I was 15, I’d be a happy man.

Didn’t even think about this when I started the trt because I got it down a lot with Ralox and it hadn’t bothered me since

A good plastic surgeon can get it all, you definitely want to find one that has done plenty of gyno surgeries. You don't want a novice; he could take too much of your chest, and deform you, or not enough, and it comes back.

 

[ChocolateClen]

A good plastic surgeon can get it all, you definitely want to find one that has done plenty of gyno surgeries. You don't want a novice; he could take too much of your chest, and deform you, or not enough, and it comes back.

Yeah there’s a few in the area but I’ll probably travel to get it done if I can. I’ll keep y’all posted on it though

 

[ChocolateClen]

Since I’m already talking to my doc tomorrow, is there anything else I need to get looked at?

 

[ChocolateClen]

So I weighed myself today, I’m down to 187.5 without trying. I’m noticing the fat around my mid section is getting smaller which is crazy because I’ve been trying to lose it since the winter and it never really left. I just couldn’t ever really hit it or cut enough etc. so it’s crazy seeing it melt away without changing my diet, though that does mean I probably need to eat more now at least a tad more cause 1 pound is a lot to lose that fast.

I have a **** ton more energy though, I just feel normal again finally. Now to get rid of the tiddies

 

[ValiantThor08]

So I weighed myself today, I’m down to 187.5 without trying. I’m noticing the fat around my mid section is getting smaller which is crazy because I’ve been trying to lose it since the winter and it never really left. I just couldn’t ever really hit it or cut enough etc. so it’s crazy seeing it melt away without changing my diet, though that does mean I probably need to eat more now at least a tad more cause 1 pound is a lot to lose that fast.

I have a **** ton more energy though, I just feel normal again finally. Now to get rid of the tiddies

Amazing what healthy testosterone levels will do! I recommend every man I see that complains about life and how they feel to get a blood test. Hardly anyone does. I guess most people have the Stockholm syndrome and their infirmity is also what they identify as their salvation.

 

[ChocolateClen]

Amazing what healthy testosterone levels will do! I recommend every man I see that complains about life and how they feel to get a blood test. Hardly anyone does. I guess most people have the Stockholm syndrome and their infirmity is also what they identify as their salvation.

It’s crazy honestly, I mean I ran some clomid a bit ago but it never made me feel this good. I feel like I just climbed out from under a rock and I’m seeing sunlight again for the first time in years. I’m not constantly tired all day anymore either and I have energy in the gym. I actually feel like I have leftover energy after every set instead of feeling constantly drained and having to take 2 min of rest between even light sets.

 

[ChocolateClen]

Starting to like my doc and here’s why, I went in and told him my gyno flared up bad on Friday and I took Ralox and Exem to knock down my estrogen over the weekend. He proceeded to say okay well we can’t run bloods then but if Ralox works well for you I can get it sent over to your pharmacy. He said it seemed like I knew what I was doing, and he wasn’t going to ask me how I knew so much but if I needed anything else I can just ask and after a quick convo he’d get me all set up.

From there we talked about how much it would cost overall and how much the surgery could cost etc.

So I’m running Ralox at 60mg a day for a bit, might cut back to 30mg once I get stuff figured out. He also said I could do weekly injections of .75ml instead of 1.5 to keep my levels more constant if I feel like I start to fall off or feel like I’m getting more tired etc.

 

[SFreed]

No tag list?? I thought we were friends, you chinky bastaad

 

[ChocolateClen]

No tag list?? I thought we were friends, you chinky bastaad

I figured people would find it over time, no sense in spamming it in people’s faces when I’m not running anything for a hot min. Glad to have ya though

 

[ValiantThor08]

You have a pretty cool doc.

 

[ChocolateClen]

You have a pretty cool doc.

I’m starting to think he’s just letting me do my thing because he knows it’s not my first rodeo..... but maybe I’m assuming wrong

 

[ChocolateClen]

Not sure if my doc fucked up, or if he’s cutting me some extra here but we talked about running the Ralox at 60mg a day. Went to get the prescription and it’s 120mg a day now on the bottle. Think he might have doubled it for me since he knew I didn’t get it from a pharmacy the first time around.

Just FYI (for y’alls info) 30 days at 120 mg is approx $415 for the generic evista

Edit: Updated my “what I’m currently taking” list on first post

 

[ChocolateClen]

Today’s a pretty sweet day: Ralox is def helping and my beard is starting to come back after its been falling out. Also I still feel like I’m losing bodyfat even though I’ve upped my intake which is awesome as well. My bench is going up again too, 185 for reps today felt easier than a few days ago.

 

[ChocolateClen]

Nothing crazy to update. Ralox isn’t really killing the estrogen in my system though, just keeping it from binding to my tiddies. I feel like the pillsbury dough boy atm. My face feels fat from holding so much water with the high estrogen. Feel like I’ve put on 20lbs too but the bodyfat is actually going down still

I want to run some Exem to kill my estrogen but I’m worried it’ll mess up bloods when I get my estrogen checked with the endo on next Friday.

 

[ChocolateClen]

Face is getting worse in terms of feeling fat and full/tingly now that I stoped the Exem so I can get proper bloods done on Friday. Blood pressure was 136/68 when I took it. Hoping I can get switched to at least weekly if no 2x a week injections. I felt like **** for a few days before my injection on Sunday. Worst rollercoaster ever, didn’t even have any loops just one big downhill.

Tiddies are still kinda sore, but off to the sides like armpit area. God I can’t wait to get the surgery this winter lol

 

[ChocolateClen]

Weighed myself this morning and I’m at 192.5. Bodyfat is still dropping, hand held thing said 13% today but I think it’s a bit lower. I’m eating more and I’m still dropping weight which is both good and bad.

Seeing awesome improvement in my lifts, my squats before starting we’re tough with 225 for 12 and yesterday I busted out 225 for 12 easy. Obviously I’m not on supraphysiological doses but it’s nice putting work in and seeing something come out.

Bench is going up as well, finally feel like I’m reversing the downhill trend I was on. Pumps are getting better over time too.

 

[ChocolateClen]

Saw an endo and they wanted to run some extra bloodwork. SBHG tests, prolactin and estrogen as well. They said no to the HCG though so it looks like I’ll have to get that on my own sadly

 

[ChocolateClen]

Planning my second cycle, I’m thinking just 500-750mg test e a week for 12-16weeks. Just have to get my gyno sorted out. Not sure if it’ll come back after surgery but considering how sensitive I am I’m worried it could come back. Though I don’t think you can just grow new receptors? I haven’t looked in to that part

 

[jrock645]

Saw an endo and they wanted to run some extra bloodwork. SBHG tests, prolactin and estrogen as well. They said no to the HCG though so it looks like I’ll have to get that on my own sadly

Why did they say no to hcg? Seems like if youre getting trt prescribed, and said you still wanna be able to have kids then itd be a no brainer. What was their reasoning?

 

[ChocolateClen]

Why did they say no to hcg? Seems like if youre getting trt prescribed, and said you still wanna be able to have kids then itd be a no brainer. What was their reasoning?

They only follow FDA guidelines and HCG isn’t approved apparently. So I’m 0 and 2 on that front

 

[jrock645]

They only follow FDA guidelines and HCG isn’t approved apparently. So I’m 0 and 2 on that front

Damn. Titan and the other concierge services include it, but its pricy from what i understand.

 

[ChocolateClen]

Damn. Titan and the other concierge services include it, but its pricy from what i understand.

It probably is cheaper to get it from my source than it is through insurance etc, less middle men you know? I’ll just self prescribe it honestly. Not too worried about it

 

[jrock645]

It probably is cheaper to get it from my source than it is through insurance etc, less middle men you know? I’ll just self prescribe it honestly. Not too worried about it

I hear ya. Id do the same if my dr was giving me ****.

 

[ChocolateClen]

I hear ya. Id do the same if my dr was giving me ****.

Honestly I’m going back in a week for more blood work, I’m gonna just tell him I need it and I need Exem. My nips are getting worse even on 120mg of ralox but I’m holding off on using the Exem I have (RC) till I get blood drawn so I don’t influence the results.

He gave me Ralox when I asked for it and he said if I needed anything I could just ask. He didn’t give me HCG because he said it’s expensive and apparently it doesn’t work. Not the smartest guy but he’s not an endo so I gotta cut him a bit of slack and he hasn’t screwed me over yet.

 

[jrock645]

Honestly I’m going back in a week for more blood work, I’m gonna just tell him I need it and I need Exem. My nips are getting worse even on 120mg of ralox but I’m holding off on using the Exem I have (RC) till I get blood drawn so I don’t influence the results.

He gave me Ralox when I asked for it and he said if I needed anything I could just ask. He didn’t give me HCG because he said it’s expensive and apparently it doesn’t work. Not the smartest guy but he’s not an endo so I gotta cut him a bit of slack and he hasn’t screwed me over yet.

Doesn’t work eh? Doesn’t work for what, exactly?

 

[ChocolateClen]

Doesn’t work eh? Doesn’t work for what, exactly?

At keeping the boys happy I suppose?, I just figure I’ll just ask how much it’ll cost to bring it back up and follow up and tell him I’d rather not chance it. It looks like 1 via of 10k iu is $110 with a coupon so going through my source would be just as much.

Edit: looks like it’s actually $200 normally but cvs just gets a good discount. I’ll just go through my source but I’m still gonna tell him I’ll be using it

 

[ChocolateClen]

Just got bloods done for cortisol, prolactin and estradiol. I’ll keep y’all posted on the results. I’ll probably be getting bloodwork for test levels done around Thursday or Friday since I inject again on Sunday. I’m gonna switch to weekly instead of biweekly as well so I don’t get the up and down rollercoaster of hormones

 

[ChocolateClen]

Decided today I need to switch off my power program and drop my clean and jerks to just cleans. Shoulders and back aren’t too happy. And I’m honestly just getting old lol.

I’ll probably run a push pull Leg workout but upper Lower looks good too. I’ll post it here when I make it. Leaving towards the push pull 2x a week with heavy push pull and legs on days 1-3 then light days 4-6

 

[trumac]

In

 

[ChocolateClen]

I’m gonna start running HCG as well at 250mcg eod because that seems to be an effective dose for long term suppression minimization. I just need to figure out where to get pins online cause I can’t just walk in to Walgreens and be like “give me all your 25g 1.5s”. I get the results of my test levels tonight when the doc calls with them so I’ll let y’all know what those are and if I need a retest. Might have tested too soon since I tested ~8 days after my last pin so I may have to test again on Monday (the day after I’m supposed to pin) to get accurate results

 

[trumac]

I’m gonna start running HCG as well at 250mcg eod because that seems to be an effective dose for long term suppression minimization. I just need to figure out where to get pins online cause I can’t just walk in to Walgreens and be like “give me all your 25g 1.5s”. I get the results of my test levels tonight when the doc calls with them so I’ll let y’all know what those are and if I need a retest. Might have tested too soon since I tested ~8 days after my last pin so I may have to test again on Monday (the day after I’m supposed to pin) to get accurate results

I order from the board sponsor here for my pins. I have just gone into cvs and bought them also tho. You can here in NY but I don’t know your local laws.

 

[ChocolateClen]

My test was 406 when I got it done. Still below where he’d want it and with me getting it done earlier than I should have it’s probably a low lower. We’re gonna increase it to weekly instead of biweekly and see how that goes. He wants me around 5-600. Already feeling a lot better than I was before TrT though so I’m not complaining at all.

I’ll have to checkout the board sponsors for pins. I used to use a place online that was awesome but I can’t remember what it was called.

Slightly disappointed though because this means I have to postpone running anything till after Xmas because I’ll be getting surgery around the start of winter time to remove my gyno. Hopefully that never comes back either after I get it removed.

 

[trumac]

My test was 406 when I got it done. Still below where he’d want it and with me getting it done earlier than I should have it’s probably a low lower. We’re gonna increase it to weekly instead of biweekly and see how that goes. He wants me around 5-600. Already feeling a lot better than I was before TrT though so I’m not complaining at all.

I’ll have to checkout the board sponsors for pins. I used to use a place online that was awesome but I can’t remember what it was called.

Slightly disappointed though because this means I have to postpone running anything till after Xmas because I’ll be getting surgery around the start of winter time to remove my gyno. Hopefully that never comes back either after I get it removed.

I think it’s medlabgear. I’m sure I can mention it since they’re a sponsor

 

[ChocolateClen]

I think it’s medlabgear. I’m sure I can mention it since they’re a sponsor

I don’t believe it was, but they look like they have the right stuff regardless. A 3cc syringe with a 25g 1.5 needle is 1.50 at Walgreens. Expensive af

 

[ItalOne]

Not sure if my doc fucked up, or if he’s cutting me some extra here but we talked about running the Ralox at 60mg a day. Went to get the prescription and it’s 120mg a day now on the bottle. Think he might have doubled it for me since he knew I didn’t get it from a pharmacy the first time around.

Just FYI (for y’alls info) 30 days at 120 mg is approx $415 for the generic evista

Edit: Updated my “what I’m currently taking” list on first post

I get legit Evista Ralox for $55 on the black market. Shipped right to my house

 

[ChocolateClen]

I get legit Evista Ralox for $55 on the black market. Shipped right to my house

I get it for free cause of insurance but I’m just trying to point out how stupid **** is priced in the medical field lol

 

[trumac]

I don’t believe it was, but they look like they have the right stuff regardless. A 3cc syringe with a 25g 1.5 needle is 1.50 at Walgreens. Expensive af

No I mean that’s who I use lol