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Anyone have a TRT timeline of blood work? Like every month or 3 months do xyz and 6 months do this etc? I wanna make sure I’m covering all my bases with my primary and not missing anything crazy
 
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My cortisol results came back.
Cortisol 13.4 mcg/dL mcg/dL

Reference Range: For 8 a.m.(7-9 a.m.) 4.0-22.0

SUCK My left NUT everyone who tells me I’m stressed out cause I work too much lol. Sorry just had to say it. Proof my 80hr work weeks aren’t killing me yet.
 
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Time for a bit of insanity.
Been talking to some of the guys and I think I’m gonna run some superdrol for the next few weeks cause it won’t impact my bloodwork when I get my test rerun in about a month. Not sure what dosage I’ll run it at but it’s injectable so it’s gonna be fun as hell. If it’s anything like Msten I’ll blow up on it.

I’ll be running tudca as well as Controlled Labs Orange Triad Plus Green which I just ordered today. Seems like it has everything us guys on TRT should be taking. I’ll throw in some zinc and boron in to the mix as well but probably not till after I get my dosage for trt figured out.

Doc is gonna bump me up to weekly injections, not sure what dose yet I’ll figure that out on Monday. I’m gonna split the dose and do Monday Thursday pins to try to keep levels more consistent. Gonna get RBC count and some other stuff done. If y’all have suggestions on what I need to get checked then feel free to post them.
 

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Time for a bit of insanity.
Been talking to some of the guys and I think I’m gonna run some superdrol for the next few weeks cause it won’t impact my bloodwork when I get my test rerun in about a month. Not sure what dosage I’ll run it at but it’s injectable so it’s gonna be fun as hell. If it’s anything like Msten I’ll blow up on it.

I’ll be running tudca as well as Controlled Labs Orange Triad Plus Green which I just ordered today. Seems like it has everything us guys on TRT should be taking. I’ll throw in some zinc and boron in to the mix as well but probably not till after I get my dosage for trt figured out.

Doc is gonna bump me up to weekly injections, not sure what dose yet I’ll figure that out on Monday. I’m gonna split the dose and do Monday Thursday pins to try to keep levels more consistent. Gonna get RBC count and some other stuff done. If y’all have suggestions on what I need to get checked then feel free to post them.
Let me know how you like it. My source has it and I’ve been considering running it at some point
 
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Time for a bit of insanity.
Been talking to some of the guys and I think I’m gonna run some superdrol for the next few weeks cause it won’t impact my bloodwork when I get my test rerun in about a month. Not sure what dosage I’ll run it at but it’s injectable so it’s gonna be fun as hell. If it’s anything like Msten I’ll blow up on it.

I’ll be running tudca as well as Controlled Labs Orange Triad Plus Green which I just ordered today. Seems like it has everything us guys on TRT should be taking. I’ll throw in some zinc and boron in to the mix as well but probably not till after I get my dosage for trt figured out.

Doc is gonna bump me up to weekly injections, not sure what dose yet I’ll figure that out on Monday. I’m gonna split the dose and do Monday Thursday pins to try to keep levels more consistent. Gonna get RBC count and some other stuff done. If y’all have suggestions on what I need to get checked then feel free to post them.
Hmm, didn’t you just come off cycle?
 
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Hmm, didn’t you just come off cycle?
Nah I’ve been off for a while now. Sometime back in May (I think) I ran some Msten and Dmz. So it’s been a hot minute. I ran a clomid cycle in the middle to try to get my balls working again before TRT but it didn’t really help much in the end, hence the log. It may have even been March or April now that I think about it.

Let me know how you like it. My source has it and I’ve been considering running it at some point
I’m looking forward to it, haven’t really run anything of said caliber in a long time. I’ll keep you posted.
 
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Nah I’ve been off for a while now. Sometime back in May (I think) I ran some Msten and Dmz. So it’s been a hot minute. I ran a clomid cycle in the middle to try to get my balls working again before TRT but it didn’t really help much in the end, hence the log.
Brother this is what got you in trt @ 22 years old. FYI , anytime you add something anabolic to your TRT, your back ON cycle. Call it what you want but it’s true. superdrol will alter your liver values and lipids months after you stop taking it. Not very smart if you have a doctors appointment in a month.

I suggest 4-5 months off EVERYTHING.
 
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Brother this is what got you in trt @ 22 years old. FYI , anytime you add something anabolic to your TRT, your back ON cycle. Call it what you want but it’s true. superdrol will alter your liver values and lipids months after you stop taking it. Not very smart if you have a doctors appointment in a month.

I suggest 4-5 months off EVERYTHING.
Never said it wasn’t gonna be a cycle, cause it obviously is since I’d be messing with hormones. And yeah I know it’ll impact liver values but they ran my ast and alt levels and I came back good so they said they wouldn’t have to re run them for a year unless I get out on a lot of oral medication. That’s why I was contemplating it since it won’t affect my test levels which is all they are testing next month. I do understand the 4-5 months off everything aspect though just to get everything figured out and time off etc.

I think what put me on this path was the epi cycle I ran in HS stupidly without a PCT cause I didn’t know what I was really doing back then.
 
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So 3 things are in order:

1) props to ItalOne for remembering my **** better than myself. My last run ended at the start of July. I thought it ended in June but that’s why I log my **** haha. I hate being wrong but I’ll admit that it wouldn’t be that smart running such harsh stuff back to back while trying to get **** figured out bloodwork wise.

2) with that being said I think it’s a bit early to run the superdrol. I’m gonna buy it and hold on to it for the time being. If I run it it’ll be around November probably. It depends on when I can get gyno surgery though. I may not run it till the new year but I don’t like passing up good ****. I did it with pro and their injectable Msten and I’m kicking myself for it. Just got a bit too excited and didn’t check my logs before hand cause I’ve been at work all day.

3) I’m still going to be adding HCG and CL orange plus greens to the list of what I’m taking.
 
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Bit of a different note, started my own business the other day and just got my first customer. Kinda crazy being your own boss because I can do whatever I want now. I don’t have to ask people if I can design his workout or what it should have etc, I can just do it. It’s awesome honestly not to mention it pays better.

The amount of behind the scenes work is astronomical though. My god is there a lot of **** to figure out. If anyone has tips I’d greatly appreciate them.

No updates on the prolactin or estrogen tests. Probably won’t get them till Tuesday.
 

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Bit of a different note, started my own business the other day and just got my first customer. Kinda crazy being your own boss because I can do whatever I want now. I don’t have to ask people if I can design his workout or what it should have etc, I can just do it. It’s awesome honestly not to mention it pays better.

The amount of behind the scenes work is astronomical though. My god is there a lot of **** to figure out. If anyone has tips I’d greatly appreciate them.

No updates on the prolactin or estrogen tests. Probably won’t get them till Tuesday.
What kind of business
 
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That’s awesome bro. Wish I had some tips but it’s more likely you’d have tips for me
I’d be happy to share what I know, it’s how everyone gets better. I don’t know a lot though honestly. I have a degree, and my boss has 4. He still says he doesn’t know everything which means I know maybe 2%. But it’s a learning process, just have to put in the work
 
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I would be interested in possobly teaming up. Holler to my inbox brother. And who knows, may have some trt related info after a decade of it. Eat lots* of healthy fats.
 
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Prolactin and estradiol tests came back, honestly surprised by the results.

Prolactin 4.9 ng/mL Range: 2.0 - 18.0 ng/mL
Estradiol 18 pg/mL Range: < OR = 39 pg/mL

Not sure why my gyno continues to get worse of my numbers are as low as they are. Doesn’t make any sense really. I made sure I stopped taking Exem a week before the tests as well so I don’t think there’s any interference there.
 
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What? You have a log? In!
 
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Prolactin and estradiol tests came back, honestly surprised by the results.

Prolactin 4.9 ng/mL Range: 2.0 - 18.0 ng/mL
Estradiol 18 pg/mL Range: < OR = 39 pg/mL

Not sure why my gyno continues to get worse of my numbers are as low as they are. Doesn’t make any sense really. I made sure I stopped taking Exem a week before the tests as well so I don’t think there’s any interference there.
Weird.
IMHO, give it time. If it gets not away, ralox.

Found an interesting study from 1989 about gyno and bodybuilding. Just a good read, not much of help for you:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/262911042_Self-Treatment_of_Gynecomastia_in_Bodybuilders_Who_Use_Anabolic_Steroids
 
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Bro how bad are we talking? Do you have pointers?? If so yeah surgery is the only answer. IIf you only have lumps it nothing!!
Yeha my nips stick out and there’s quite a large mass underneath. I know I’ll need surgery that’s a fact and I’m cool with it. It’s wondering if it’ll come back after surgery or not now. Everything hormone related says I shouldn’t be getting more gyno, but I am and I can’t figure out why. The Ralox should be preventing it but it hasn’t really been doing that.
 

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Yeha my nips stick out and there’s quite a large mass underneath. I know I’ll need surgery that’s a fact and I’m cool with it. It’s wondering if it’ll come back after surgery or not now. Everything hormone related says I shouldn’t be getting more gyno, but I am and I can’t figure out why. The Ralox should be preventing it but it hasn’t really been doing that.
Sounds hot. Prove it
 
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Sounds hot. Prove it
I have to keep my tig ol bitties to myself sadly. I know you and HGP both love tiddies but mine are too weird to post. Not even big enough to warrant a post but if I get to a size c cup I’ll send y’all some noodz
 
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Yeha my nips stick out and there’s quite a large mass underneath. I know I’ll need surgery that’s a fact and I’m cool with it. It’s wondering if it’ll come back after surgery or not now. Everything hormone related says I shouldn’t be getting more gyno, but I am and I can’t figure out why. The Ralox should be preventing it but it hasn’t really been doing that.
I have had gyno lumps in both nips for 8 years, and they are both completely unnoticeable.
Yeah they were pretty large masses at one point now nothing. The thing is they NEVER go away, but that doesn’t mean your destined to have boobies. It’s your body’s way of saying “please stop [email protected] with my hormones” As I’ve said before TRT only for 6 months and reassess!. Please don’t be that guy that keeps running cycles but complains about gyno during everyone. Let your body rest!!
 
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Just got back from the doctors, we’re gonna run 1.5ml of test every 7 days (I’ll probably run .75 on Monday and .75 on Thursday since that’s what’s been recommended by a few people on here). Doctor said we’re gonna keep everything else the same for now. Gonna keep the Ralox at 120mg and my RBC count has been coming back in range too. He tests that every time I get bloodwork done.

As for the gyno, he said it’s not worth trying to add a bunch of stuff to reduce it if I want to get it cut out. He said wait till December or January so we can get everything else figured out and dialed in first. But he agreed surgery is going to be the best bet since it’s been getting worse and the Ralox hasn’t impacted it very much. January would be pushing the 6 month mark and it’ll be cold enough that I’ll be able to cover up the compression shirt with a jacket.

I also have a family history of breast cancer on both mother and fathers side so the doc thinks it’s a good idea to have it removed simply for that reason. Not that it’ll 100% prevent it, though I guess it could, but it’ll make identifying future issues easier if something does come up.

Blood pressure is a little high at 136/66 but I’m not worried about that either.



To sum it up for you lazy mofos:

Biweekly to weekly inj of 1.5ml Test
Nothing else will change till next bloodwork is done in a month except I’m adding HCG in.
 
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Hey brother what exactly are you pinning again? That .75 and 1.5ml is confusing.
Are you on test c? What’s the mg/ml
 
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Hey brother what exactly are you pinning again? That .75 and 1.5ml is confusing.
Are you on test c? What’s the mg/ml
Test c 100mg/ml. So 150mg weekly now which I was going to split in to two doses of .75 ml
 
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There is a slight chance it be cancer... Well, that sentence does not make me popular, right?
 
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There is a slight chance it be cancer... Well, that sentence does not make me popular, right?
So you’re saying I need to either sell or give away my collection because I’m probably going to die? Damn man so much I never got to use :’(
 
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So you’re saying I need to either sell or give away my collection because I’m probably going to die? Damn man so much I never got to use :’(
The good news:
Gyno goes away once you dead -body fat percentage will be below 1% after a few weeks.
 
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Dude sweet!
In theory, once dead, you could get your daily needed protein from worms. Exercising in a coffin requires a change in workouts. Personally, I would go with partials and body weight exercises. You should advise the embalmer to use some phenibut when filling you up, curbs claustrophobia.
 
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In theory, once dead, you could get your daily needed protein from worms. Exercising in a coffin requires a change in workouts. Personally, I would go with partials and body weight exercises. You should advise the embalmer to use some phenibut when filling you up, curbs claustrophobia.
Y’all are some morbid fucks lol mostly you HGP. Love y’all though lol
 
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Just popped some Orange, overall it’s alright. It’s gonna be hard to drink every day, it’s not the greatest flavor and it doesn’t mix too well. Ended up just dumping the powder in my mouth and washing it down with some water.

Should I just do both scoops at once or split them up in the am and pm? The am is gonna be hard to do, the pm will be easy as I’ll be home.
 
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Where the hell do you get 100mg/ml cyp?? All us cyp ive ever seen (and enanthate for that matter) is 200mg/ml.
 
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Where the hell do you get 100mg/ml cyp?? All us cyp ive ever seen (and enanthate for that matter) is 200mg/ml.
I don’t know lol I just got it from Walgreens. It was a 10ml vial so maybe that’s why it was 100mg/ml
 

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Just popped some Orange, overall it’s alright. It’s gonna be hard to drink every day, it’s not the greatest flavor and it doesn’t mix too well. Ended up just dumping the powder in my mouth and washing it down with some water.

Should I just do both scoops at once or split them up in the am and pm? The am is gonna be hard to do, the pm will be easy as I’ll be home.
I missed what this is. What supp is this?
 
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I missed what this is. What supp is this?
Orange Triad plus greens shown below.

Mixed it today in like 4 oz of water. It wasn’t great but manageable. Mixability was solid, no major chunks. Tasted a bit better as well though still not pleasant.

Been lacking in the morning wood department for a bit now too, not sure why. Maybe it’s cause my test is still pretty low? Obviously can’t be estrogen related because that’s in range

Hair loss for the most part has stopped, I see a lot of baby hairs coming in on my chest though which is good. I don’t think I’m losing the hair on my head anymore but I’m not too sure I haven’t seen much fall out. Beard is still falling out but like one day it is the next it’s not. I’m not sure if it’s doing that because DHT is finally getting to the follicles and it’s pushing the old hair out to make way for new hair or if I’m just fucked and still losing dead hair lol.

Nothing else to report.

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Picked up a bunch of John meadows programs today mostly because I wanted to look at them, and also because I can write it off as a business expense now since I became a CEO today. I really just wanted them to pick them apart so I can see the volume and periodization but I actually may run a few of them cause why the **** not. Been programming for myself for a while now and I’ve seen good results but creeping death looks like fun lol. I think it would be a nice change.

Pee is a weird yellow on the orange triad so I’m either a) not drinking enough (which is probably true) or b) it’s the beetroot coming out lol. Needless to say I’ll be upping the water.

Experiencing a bit of ED issues, not sure if it’s cause my test is low since I only pinned .75ml instead of the 1.5ml. Hopefully it goes away. I’m def in the mood just having a harder time than normal with the wood part. Probably explains the lack of morning wood as well.
 

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Picked up a bunch of John meadows programs today mostly because I wanted to look at them, and also because I can write it off as a business expense now since I became a CEO today. I really just wanted them to pick them apart so I can see the volume and periodization but I actually may run a few of them cause why the **** not. Been programming for myself for a while now and I’ve seen good results but creeping death looks like fun lol. I think it would be a nice change.

Pee is a weird yellow on the orange triad so I’m either a) not drinking enough (which is probably true) or b) it’s the beetroot coming out lol. Needless to say I’ll be upping the water.

Experiencing a bit of ED issues, not sure if it’s cause my test is low since I only pinned .75ml instead of the 1.5ml. Hopefully it goes away. I’m def in the mood just having a harder time than normal with the wood part. Probably explains the lack of morning wood as well.
I can send booby pics if that helps
 
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Probably the B-vitamins for the pee color. My morning and night pee after my servings is always like that.
 
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Probably the B-vitamins for the pee color. My morning and night pee after my servings is always like that.
Didn’t even think about that! I used to drink beet root juice in college for races and my pee would always come out a reddish color after I drank it lol I figured it was that just less concentrated
 
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Any recommendations for meadows programs? I have access to the following:
Creeping Death, creeping death 2, gamma bomb, project colossus, and oden force.

I was thinking about trying creeping death 1 out just simply cause it looks brutal. GB looks fun as hell but I’d like to do that in the winter when I can bulk after surgery and really pack some muscle on.
 
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Pinned another .75ml today, that’ll be all for this week. Left quad this time since my legs are already sore and I did left Delt earlier this week. For whatever reason I woke up with MW this morning too.

Also borderlands 3 is 52 gigs. Like the hell lol that’s a big ass game. Can’t wait to play it though. Been waiting for years for it to finally come out so I hope it’s worth it.

Been downloading for the past hour, I’m at 10% so far lol
 
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Stats for today:
Weight: 188lbs
Bp: 131/61 (taken after lifting)

Bodyfat % (3 site): 14

I’m def losing fat around my abs but my thighs are stubborn. I think I have a bit of a gyno fat issue in my chest because it hasn’t dropped within the past few months. I know I’ve dropped a few lbs of fat, but not as much as I’d have wanted too but I’m also trying not to lose muscle so I guess I’m losing it at a decent rate. I’m shooting for 10% by the middle of October which I think is doable as I’m finally getting my calories sorted out. I also had a high carb meal last night so I think I’m hold a bit of water in my stomach like I always do. I FINALLY have abs again though and I can feel the 6th one just under the surface waiting to come out of hiding.

All measurements were done fasting.
 
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So my business got approved via the state SCC today which is awesome. But now I have to come up with a website. The problem is that I didn’t think about advertising for myself before starting this process. I’m not a big guy, I’m honestly small it feels like, I don’t move a lot of weight either which makes it even harder to get good pictures to put online of myself and my business. Not sure how to go about this part now. I gotta get big this winter now, and I have to find a way to work around the being small issue for now.
 

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So my business got approved via the state SCC today which is awesome. But now I have to come up with a website. The problem is that I didn’t think about advertising for myself before starting this process. I’m not a big guy, I’m honestly small it feels like, I don’t move a lot of weight either which makes it even harder to get good pictures to put online of myself and my business. Not sure how to go about this part now. I gotta get big this winter now, and I have to find a way to work around the being small issue for now.
Drop a couple percent bf and you’ll look bigger. If you have a buddy that does photography even as a hobby have them come get some good pics or spend a few bucks paying a photographer to take them.
 

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