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mikeg313
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Looking for spiritual guidance via Internet AAS forum = pretty freakin lame! Pretty pathetic trying to justify the use of illicit substances by way of religous scripture. I think youre a hypocrite and corny as hell to say the least.I'm sorry if my opinion offends you but your beating a dead horse and for some reason I read thru this crap cus it keeps getting bumped up top. it's not the first one religious based thread you posted and I doubt it's the last. Way to walk the righteous path! Go ask your pastor if he think gods down with you jamming a needle in your rear or popping pills to satisfy your ego by way of muscle growth and size. Cus when it comes down to it that's what we're all doing in one way or another.
Yeah I'm gonna get flamed hard by the bible bangers but whatever. After reading all that I'm annoyed.
Yeah I'm gonna get flamed hard by the bible bangers but whatever. After reading all that I'm annoyed.
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I probably am in the minority,I hate to admit. I will agree with you the motivation is entirely disingenuous. What people are communicating is that they really don't know the Saviour, they simple want a get out of jail free card. If they really knew Him, they could simply respond to His grace, instead keeping score. It is that belief that causes many to struggle, just like christians fighting over doctrine. Who wants to be part of a church when they are known for mistreatment of each other. John 13:35 "They will know that you belong to me by your love for one another". I know that it seems like I am incredible down on organized religion. I am not I simply know what God has to offer us , and we would rather walk according to our own understanding.
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Appreciate it friend.
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Faith that brings salvation (justification) is not just knowledge of YHWH,of Christ or the path to salvation.It is not even believing that God is real and what the Bible says is true. True faith takes this knowledge and applies it and brings us into a relationship with God.There must be fruit that comes out of this conversion.If fruit does not begin to come forth the conversion is false and the "faith" that led to it is dead.
You notice in the verses from Mathew you quote there are those who have plenty of works but will not enter heaven because Christ never knew them.Their works were in vain because it did not grow out of a love for and relationship with Him.Faith brings you into relationship and works will grow out of it if the love and relationship are true,but the initial conversion is brought by faith alone.
Works do not save you or get you into heaven.They can be judged though because they are an out growth of conversion brought about by faith.If works were needed to obtain salvation, Jesus could have never told the thief on the cross that he would be with Him in paradise.
- John 3:16, "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life."
- Rom. 3:22, "even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction."
- Rom.3;24, "being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;"
- Rom. 3:26, "for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus."
- Rom. 3:28-30, "For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. [SUP]29[/SUP]Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, [SUP]30[/SUP]since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one."
- Rom. 4:3, "For what does the Scripture say? "And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness."
- Rom. 4:5, "But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness,"
- Rom. 4:11, "And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while still uncircumcised, that he might be the father of all those who believe, though they are uncircumcised, that righteousness might be imputed to them also,"
- Rom. 4:16, "Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all."
- Rom. 5:1, "therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,"
- Rom.5:9, "Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him."
- Rom.9:30, "What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, even the righteousness which is by faith."
- Rom. 9:33, "just as it is written, “Behold, I lay in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense, And he who believes in Him will not be disappointed.”
- Rom. 10:4, "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes."
- Rom. 10:9-10, "that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved; [SUP]10[/SUP]for with the heart man believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation."
- Rom. 11:6, "But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace."
- Gal.2:16, "nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law shall no flesh be justified."
- Gal. 2:21, “I do not nullify the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly.”
- Gal. 3:5-6, "Does He then, who provides you with the Spirit and works miracles among you, do it by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? [SUP]6[/SUP]Even so Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness."
- Gal. 3:8, "And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, "All the nations shall be blessed in you."
- Gal. 3:14, "in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith."
- Gal. 3:22, "But the Scripture has shut up all men under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe."
- Gal. 3:24, "Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, that we may be justified by faith."
- Eph. 1:13, "In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise."
- Eph. 2:8, "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God."
- Phil. 3:9, "and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith."
- 1 Tim. 1:16, "And yet for this reason I found mercy, in order that in me as the foremost, Jesus Christ might demonstrate His perfect patience, as an example for those who would believe in Him for eternal life."
madds87
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mikeg313 said:
True, and very bluntly said my friend. It def could be taken that way. We are all hypocrites, buddy, one way or another. There is a general chat section, and I feel as though religious debate should not be a problem. If you have a problem with it then im sorry but you will have to deal with it.... Until I get banned, and if I get banned, I will not worry about it, because I am not ashamed.... Neither will I support. This forum has a politics section...... Why not religious debate?
fueledpassion
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Philippians 4:8 NIV
Bodybuilding fulfills at least 5 out of 7 things Paul recommends to us ( true, noble, lovely, admirable, excellent and praiseworthy) Dont over complicate the Gospel. We are free in Christ to pursue life and enjoy His creations and I'm pretty sure iron and games are His creations too. To those who are more advanced in the Gospel, they can use their hobby ask their ministry field. I, for one, have found a way to fulfill God's will thru my hobby of bodybuilding.
Sure, we get overly consumed with things and give too much credit to ourselves at times but this is the case regardless of bodybuilding or not. Basket weavers also commit such sins. Our hearts still have sin in it and no one is going to be perfect about it but honestly we know that regardless whether u pursue bodybuilding in a pure way or not, God will make good out of our decisions ( Romans 8:28 ).
The Holy Spirit will convict you if ur heart is wrong about it. There r plenty of things in life that, if approached with the right heart is permissible yet there are also those same very things in life that, if approached with the wrong heart ARE STILL PERMISSIBLE but not helpful to our ministry or faith. We see this a few different times in scripture by Paul again ( 1 Corinthians 6:12 and 10:23 ).
You need to listen to the Spirit for guidance on this matter. There r so many other topics that are really very similar to this one that have the same applications in the Word.
Bodybuilding fulfills at least 5 out of 7 things Paul recommends to us ( true, noble, lovely, admirable, excellent and praiseworthy) Dont over complicate the Gospel. We are free in Christ to pursue life and enjoy His creations and I'm pretty sure iron and games are His creations too. To those who are more advanced in the Gospel, they can use their hobby ask their ministry field. I, for one, have found a way to fulfill God's will thru my hobby of bodybuilding.
Sure, we get overly consumed with things and give too much credit to ourselves at times but this is the case regardless of bodybuilding or not. Basket weavers also commit such sins. Our hearts still have sin in it and no one is going to be perfect about it but honestly we know that regardless whether u pursue bodybuilding in a pure way or not, God will make good out of our decisions ( Romans 8:28 ).
The Holy Spirit will convict you if ur heart is wrong about it. There r plenty of things in life that, if approached with the right heart is permissible yet there are also those same very things in life that, if approached with the wrong heart ARE STILL PERMISSIBLE but not helpful to our ministry or faith. We see this a few different times in scripture by Paul again ( 1 Corinthians 6:12 and 10:23 ).
You need to listen to the Spirit for guidance on this matter. There r so many other topics that are really very similar to this one that have the same applications in the Word.
fueledpassion
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Agreed, he's a lost puppy if he thinks we're the only "hypocrits". I believe if everyone were honest with themselves that they too would be gross hypocrits riht there with us.
Christ came to save those hypocritical people like myself...thats why it's GOOD NEWS, lol. Saving me didnt make me all the sudden perfect, it just pardoned me of my imperfection, duh! This isnt even a religious debate either! Its a debate about walking in the Spirit and anyone without the Spirit really shouldnt have any input to begin with thats why it said "Christian friends", right? Besides, religion is for Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus etc. But for us Christ fulfilled our laws long ago and abolished our need to "be something".
fueledpassion
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fueledpassion
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Yeah bust their butts about it man! It is fraudulent! Freeloaders aren't likely to actually have a relationship with Christ due to the nature of their faith (or lack thereof). The point behind the Gospel is to love God and to love people. The Gospel gives us an opportunity to connect with God thru Christ's atonement of our sins. So really, God did all this to be with us and for us to know Him. Salvation from hell was a byproduct of God's purpose in the Gospel.
Good stuff.
fueledpassion
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Dear Brothers and Sisters,
Something i have been pondering about. Havent had a preist to talk to about this but, was curious what yall thought.
Bodybuilding= The process of developing the musculature of the body through specific types of diet and physical exercise, such as weightlifting, especially for competitive exhibition.
How can this sport not be an act of worshiping idols?
Bare with me now, Since we are all into the same "obsession", To become "perfect". For example, We train day in and day out, trying to eat, count calories, plan diets, buy supplements, check bodyfat, etc. etc. We flex in mirrors, to either watch poses, or to admire our work.
How can this not be worshipping ourselves?
Now I understand there are grey areas, black or white, but this is something that could be a good reminder for me and you.
Then there is also the other side.....
Steroids..... Call em what you will.... prohormones, anabolics, aah, etc. etc. How can this be justified?
Could you take it to an extreme of, eating organic.... "treating our body as a temple" i know you have heard it. But I really dont think taking them and in your mind knowing they are wrong is even more wrong. Dont have my bible on hand.....
But isnt it a medicine? Serms, Sarms, herbal test boosters, so on and so on...... Test enth for example could be considered natural..... Yes we make it.... But..... Yeah..... Where do you take it to.....
Bodybuilding..... Competitions.... boasting in gains? See where im going with this?
Now in defence i LOVE this sport.... I dream about getting bigger daily. But I still keep my focus, and keep it as priority one, on Jehovah in to become stronger mentally and wiser in HIM daily.
I guess the main 'vague' question is, is this sport a SIN?
SImple answer would be as long as you keep focus on HIM, and do everything in HIS name.....
But im not looking for that kind of answer LOL
GOd BLess. Up for much debate!
I gotta ask this question to the OP though..
Do you think God created us to be enslaved to one particular path over another? Does it make sense that a good God who created us in His image and for His glory wants to sit around and draw lines all day in the sand to tell us what we can and cannot do with our time, money and efforts? Does being a slave without a free will really glorify God? If God wanted to limit us to a handful of activities and really expected us to live by all the rules, would He have given us a free will to begin with?
I believe there is freedom in Christ for bodybuilding. I believe that if you're open to walk in the Spirit with your hobbies, they are permissible and even helpful.
But in any case, pure heart or not, sinful or not, excellent or poor, Christ's record and blood covers it all. Even our best efforts at living His will are still like filthy rags and I do not believe our obedience or disobedience to Christ regarding bodybuilding will affect our salvation and standing before God. Otherwise, the Gospel would be null and void and Christianity would be yet another religion - another attempt at man getting to heaven in his own efforts.
madds87
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fueledpassion said:
Thank you so much brother for making that any clearer. I cant help but get aggrevated..... TrieD and tried. but I will not quit fellas and neither shall yall. We will not let someone else ruin our conversation between one another. And the religion debate was wrong choice of words.... Thank you. And totally agree, amen!
madds87
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fueledpassion said:
Love this idea. Honestly we all have thought about the idea of our path that God has planned for us. But the "slave idea" I cant look at it as slavery, kinda seems like the wrong choice of words..... I dont consider it slavery.... Someone else might..... I dont though and im very happy trying to more and more lile.Jesus christ, I myself and people around me are changing and doing awsome things.
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Love this idea. Honestly we all have thought about the idea of our path that God has planned for us. But the "slave idea" I cant look at it as slavery, kinda seems like the wrong choice of words..... I dont consider it slavery.... Someone else might..... I dont though and im very happy trying to more and more lile.Jesus christ, I myself and people around me are changing and doing awsome things.
I feel the same way. If God has plan for your life and you choose to follow it . How is it slavery ? the choice is yours. Slavery is when you do not have a choice.
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I agree people should be challenged. We are called to examine our lives as Christians 2Corinthians 13:5. The unbelieving world is surely examining our lives for integrity,purity, authenticity. I hate the saying I'm not perfect ,just forgiven. Way to raise the standard. We are not perfect, but sanctification is a process, every living organism grows, we need to be growing in our faith and knowledge. 1 Peter 3:15 . We need to be prepared to give an answer for the faith lies with in us.(individually) I look at the same way when I am in the gym. I am not there to maintain, I want to get stronger, healthier. In return I expect to more productive at work, more available to my children when I am at home. We are stewards of the our bodies ,they do not belong to us,they were bought with a price. A good steward improves upon what he is given.
mikeg313
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madds87 said:
You are correct you are free to post any discussion you want. I see this inappropriate on a moral level somewhat if someone is doing like I previously said about justifying their actions by religion. Look how many innapropriate actions are justified thru religion these days. Wheres the line? The bible is a book of lessons to teach the masses some "act right" in my opinion just as I believe every religion was formed to do. Earliest organized form of governing. In today's world I think religion and our society has been so corrupted that unless your taking what these old books are trying to say in and the lessons they teach in their simplest definition you move so far off base that really anything can be justified through religion if that's the meaning you get from it on a personal level. It's so far outdated and overdone in so many ways that I think the people who wrote it would be spinning in their graves just as I bet our forefathers are looking down on what our nation has become and doing the same.Religion hasnt fudged this world up , people using it the wrong way to justify selfish means have. Yes we are all hypocrites, I don't think it's possible not to be but theirs many forms of hypocrites.
On a side note I like the way you responded to my brutal blast, and that I
Respect.
fueledpassion
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Love this idea. Honestly we all have thought about the idea of our path that God has planned for us. But the "slave idea" I cant look at it as slavery, kinda seems like the wrong choice of words..... I dont consider it slavery.... Someone else might..... I dont though and im very happy trying to more and more lile.Jesus christ, I myself and people around me are changing and doing awsome things.
When I spoke of slavery, I was not implying that being a Christian is enslaving altjough scripture tells us our new nature is to be slaves to righteousness. Because the Spirit lives in us, we now are inclined to do good and to be satisfied in what is good and to be unsatisfied and miserable in what is bad.
However, for those that do not know Christ - they are slaves to the Law and slaves to sin. Their lives, success and goodness is measured in how well they execute the laws of God and in general how well they live their life. So they are slaves to the law and because the law entices one to sin they are also slaves to sin. This is very clearly understood in Romans.
For me, I see it like this:
1) I am a slave to righteousness (which is awesome)
2) I am also free in Christ
So combining those two statements I'd say that I am free in Christ and no linger enslaved to perform to His standards of the Law of Moses (because Christ fulfilled those standards) yet He also empowers me (by the Spirit) to live in righteousness and goodness and to hate evil and sin. So essentially, I am enslaved to God yet also free from judgment. Its beautiful.
If u need the scriptures that support this claim I'd be.more than happy to post them later. In class right now and really dont have time.
Flaw
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First...get a new doctor
Second, in essence atheism is not logical, but I am going to assume theism is?
The problem with theism is there's no solid foundation. Too many variables. It cannot be solidly defined. It's defined more individually. Theism to me is someone caught in a whole bunch of beliefs and can't figure out what is what.
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The term the apostle Paul used was bondservant, stems from a great story in Exodus 21. A bondservant is someone who places themselves in the servitude of another. The bondservant elects or chooses to be submissive to the master.
fueledpassion
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Good input and I forgot to cobsider that even tho I knew it. Thanks.
And since the Spirit lives in us we have a preference for righteousness and a desire to serve the Lord. It really does bring light to the meaning of "born again". The very basic inclination of ourbhearts fundamentally change when the Spirit of God enters us.
madds87
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With babtism, church, small groups, etc. We are all wanting to serve in these ways to praise n worship what the Lord has done for us. This is a self servitude. A wanna be a btter servant. Its not a, "oh if i have to". Its a passion..... Its an idea that burns into an action. When you change your life to a christian and truly believe, you will know this feeling, and will love it. The hard part is holding onto that passion. If you can then God Bless you!
Flaw
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No typo. "The thinking athiest" Is that a typo? To think that any decision we make is based strictly on logic is very foolish. We are wired to make decisions on emotions. Take bodybuilding for example. No one becomes a bodybuilder to just become stronger. There's always pychological reasons like small guy complex, self esteem issues and so on. I got into bodybuilding because it makes me feel better about myself. I also like the respect I get from being a big guy. Athiesm often is fueled by some sort of anger. Resentment towards religious upbringing or misdirected anger towards God. Those are only some of the main emotional ties.
I agree with you that supernatural beliefs often do have strong emotional ties. For example you have the person that never really cared for God, goes to jail, and while desperate for help pick up a bible and all the sudden they find God. Also tragedies tend to bring people towards belief for help. If belief saves their lives or gives them strength to keep going what's the harm in that? Why would anyone want to rob someone else of this hope? To me that's just evil. Just because you have no hope and are "born to the grave" don't try to take away our hope and our chance at everlasting life.
Let me say too that first I had to learn about God and his word, This required knowledge first. The emotional connection came only after developing a relationship with him. Now, even if I drift away from him and stop serving him I can never deny his existence or his love for me. I've seen too much proof. He's shown me too much. There's only so many things you can justify or say they are coincidences. God has shown himself to me countless of times and provided proof of what the scriptures says how he will never abandon his faithful ones.
BBB
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If you take the time to look around we are surrounded by miracles. We have become so accustomed to them that we take them for grated, like the sun rising each morning. By the way that's a miracle of its own. Look at any organ in the body it performs countless functions on a daily basis. How did we survive while itwas evolving? People are blind to these things because they choose to be. It's much simpler than accepting a creator. On immutable fact is that there must always be a designer greater than that which is designed. Like the Preacher stated in the movie Rudy, "In forty years of study I have come across only one incontrovertible fact, there is a God and I'm not Him".
ozarkaBRAND
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You find issue with the term "thinking atheist?" Apparently you've never been here: reddit.com/r/atheism
You're making some pretty wild assumptions there. Atheism, in my case and many other atheists I've spoken to, has nothing to do with anger or resentment toward a religious upbringing, or to god. What it has to do with is a lack of evidence for god, and obvious evidence for the negative effects of religious belief on society as a whole.
Christianity encourages the devaluing of personal accomplishments, and prevents humans from addressing and working through the underlying emotional/psychological issues that are the actual causes of their unhappiness or unacceptable behavior. Instead, it absolves them of responsibility by offering a faith based cure-all that does nothing more than mask the core problems. It also encourages the fabrication of understanding in situations where "I don't know" should be the correct answer. "God did it" is good enough for those who have been discouraged from putting forth the mental effort necessary to actually understand some phenomenon.
As for the knowledge before emotion claim, for most, especially indoctrinated children, the emotional ties are created long before any real understanding takes place; those powerful emotional ties encourage them to seek out validation for their belief, and to ignore any evidence, no matter how factual, that would go against them.
ozarkaBRAND
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For a person who doesn't have an actual understanding of evolution, I suppose that question is a good enough reason to assume god did it. Grab a text on evolutionary biology. Learn instead of assuming.
As for that second part. The claim "there must always be a designer greater than that which is designed" actually refutes itself. Claiming that some complex thing was created by a thing that is even more complex logically leads to the question, "what created the creator," and so on... It doesn't actually lead to an answer, only more questions.
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madds87
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Evolution. Has its flaws. And is continuously evolving in itself to help justify what is believed. Whats funny is when evolutionists argue about it.... But honestly. If evolution was true then it just would make the my belief in God even stronger for "chance" in creation. Evolutionists can agree that all of it is by small percentage of accuring..... Have you ever won the lottery ten times in a row?
fueledpassion
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At the end of the day, evolution is still theory. Why push it to be fact?
You can't prove evolution. I can't prove God. In fact, to believe in evolution, you are really just stating that your creator (and god) is nature itself. Are you not? Do you not believe in something greater than yourself? Sure you do (thats a rhetorical question).
So IMO, the question is not "is there a Creator or God?". No, the question is, "who is your God?"
Look at any piece of matter, object, product or anything in this world and ask yourself this question - does it have a creator? For the evolutionists and atheist: find me something that doesn't have a creator and show me viable proof (other than your wild imagination at work).
BTW I'm an avid watcher of The Universe shows on the History channel and I believe that if anyone is "up to date" on current scientific theories and findings then it's myself.
You can't prove evolution. I can't prove God. In fact, to believe in evolution, you are really just stating that your creator (and god) is nature itself. Are you not? Do you not believe in something greater than yourself? Sure you do (thats a rhetorical question).
So IMO, the question is not "is there a Creator or God?". No, the question is, "who is your God?"
Look at any piece of matter, object, product or anything in this world and ask yourself this question - does it have a creator? For the evolutionists and atheist: find me something that doesn't have a creator and show me viable proof (other than your wild imagination at work).
BTW I'm an avid watcher of The Universe shows on the History channel and I believe that if anyone is "up to date" on current scientific theories and findings then it's myself.
ozarkaBRAND
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If I had a few million years to do it, this becomes a lot more likely.
ozarkaBRAND
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Gravity is a theory too, but I don't imagine you'd actually argue about that one. The fact is, evolution is measurable and observable, and that's why it is pushed as a factual theory, just like gravity.
Have you not looked at any of the resources I provided that show evidence of evolution? To say that, despite the mountains of evidence for it that it is still not true or "proven," would be some highly ignorant mental gymnastics.
Do I believe in something greater than myself? I can't control volcanoes, the sun, or other aspects of the universe, so yes, there are physically greater things than me, but nothing that is supernatural in any sense.
By watching The Universe and other "History" Channel shows, you're nothing more than an armchair scientist, and have no right saying that you're up to date on current scientific theories. Enroll in university, legitimately study the sciences in question, then see what you think.
ozarkaBRAND
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Starting with a passive-aggressive insult? Hmm.
If your definition of god is "something that dictates your existence," then yes, nature is my god. Without the universe, without earth, I would not be.
As for things without a creator. Are you referring to an intelligent creator, or an arbitrary, passive creator with no semblance of consciousness?
You say "Ur prolly upset because the things u believe in cant be proven can it," but no, that's not the issue here. I don't believe in the Christian god, or any other supernatural god because of a lack of evidence for him, or it, or whatever. I believe in the things I do, evolution, etc... because of the evidence for them. This has nothing to do with anger, just evidence.
We don't have all the answers, but we have quite a few, and the body of scientific knowledge is growing every day. Also, I'm not sure how saying "stop acting like we have all the answers cuz we dont" is relevant to what is actually being discussed at all. Reality is, I'm not acting that way. I'm making no unsubstantiated claims, or saying that we know everything.
fueledpassion
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Lets just stop talking about it now. I dont care enough about the topic to get in a pissing match with someone about it. I'd rather just drop it and somehow still be able to call u a friendly aquaintance, good?
I know better than to argue about these things so I guess I'm done being a part of this conversation.
ozarkaBRAND
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You said much earlier in this thread that you had already created another thread because this one had been ruined, so now all you're doing is being a sarcastic *******.But anyway another thread ruines
ozarkaBRAND
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You must have forgotten that the earth is millions of years old.
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BBB
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Points 1, 3 & 4 are nearlythe same. They point to commonality between species and can be easily answered by the statement below.
Similarity of design is a very weak defense for the support of evolution. As a structural engineer I can differentiate my work from others by similarity of design. I design things ina certain way, a style that I have developed over of the years. This is very common. You can tell a Picasso from a Monet from similarity of design. You can tell a Frank Lloyd Wright building from almost anyone else’s by similarity of design. Similarity of design points to acommon designer.
Points 2 and 5 can also be covered by adaptation. There is a great dealof evolution within a species. It's called adaptation. God given by the way so we can survive varying conditions here on earth. There is none, zilth, nada evolution between species. I just listened to one of the strongest proponents of evolution on the O ‘Riley Factor and he readily admits to this but says he is sure they will find a common link one day. Good luck with that one. Don’t confuse micro evolution (adaptation) with macro evolution (between species). If this were the case why would it have ever stopped? We certainly wouldn't need procreation. Where’s the fun in that?
A few things to consider:
Scientists have found fish fossils high in the mountains.This supports a catastrophic aqua burial (flood) at one time during the earth’s history. There are dozens of other issues that support the flood a well. They have made an entire movie about this.
Chariot wheels and other chariot parts have recently been found and photographed at the bottom of the Red Sea.
Noah’s Ark has been found in the mountains of Ararat. They are actually building a museum near the site.
These are just a few of the physical proofs of creation there are many others. I used to be an Atheist myself. Accepting the reality of a creator is not easy when you have spent your entire life believing in a manmade religion.
Similarity of design is a very weak defense for the support of evolution. As a structural engineer I can differentiate my work from others by similarity of design. I design things ina certain way, a style that I have developed over of the years. This is very common. You can tell a Picasso from a Monet from similarity of design. You can tell a Frank Lloyd Wright building from almost anyone else’s by similarity of design. Similarity of design points to acommon designer.
Points 2 and 5 can also be covered by adaptation. There is a great dealof evolution within a species. It's called adaptation. God given by the way so we can survive varying conditions here on earth. There is none, zilth, nada evolution between species. I just listened to one of the strongest proponents of evolution on the O ‘Riley Factor and he readily admits to this but says he is sure they will find a common link one day. Good luck with that one. Don’t confuse micro evolution (adaptation) with macro evolution (between species). If this were the case why would it have ever stopped? We certainly wouldn't need procreation. Where’s the fun in that?
A few things to consider:
Scientists have found fish fossils high in the mountains.This supports a catastrophic aqua burial (flood) at one time during the earth’s history. There are dozens of other issues that support the flood a well. They have made an entire movie about this.
Chariot wheels and other chariot parts have recently been found and photographed at the bottom of the Red Sea.
Noah’s Ark has been found in the mountains of Ararat. They are actually building a museum near the site.
These are just a few of the physical proofs of creation there are many others. I used to be an Atheist myself. Accepting the reality of a creator is not easy when you have spent your entire life believing in a manmade religion.
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almost all, if not all ancient civilizations speak of a flood. It makes a great deal of sense chronologically when you think about the great thaw at the end of the last ice age
Chariot wheels at the bottom of the red sea? Please tell me that you do not think that is the exodus story? That was a borrowed story. There is no Egyptian evidence of the existence of Moses anywhere.
What was found on Ararat has never been proven to be a boat, let alone Noah's ark. Nice try however. In fact, most scientists (and those trying to get to Ararat) dont even believe it is a boat. It is very likely a natural rock formation on the mountain.
Even if any of that was true, how does it prove a creator? To think that the earth could be possibly a few thousand years old is preposterous.