Unanswered CEL Anabolic Effect - Natural Anabolic

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2g of KME will be excellent in this new anabolic. Vector by BLR had 1g and it was/is very popular, excited to see the full profile
Idk I did vector and K1ngslayer, vector had 1 gram and K1ngslayer had 2g. Vector definitely hit harder, but usually people kinda sleep on the 2 other ingredients in vector. People all day complaining about vector’s KME being underdosed or not providing whether or not it was extracted for what was in the study. It was still better than k1ngslayer, K1ngslayer is just a reformulation of another of their products, that’s probably a lot to do with it.

Looking forward to this one though, but more doesn’t exactly mean better.
 
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Idk I did vector and K1ngslayer, vector had 1 gram and K1ngslayer had 2g. Vector definitely hit harder, but usually people kinda sleep on the 2 other ingredients in vector. People all day complaining about vector’s KME being underdosed or not providing whether or not it was extracted for what was in the study. It was still better than k1ngslayer, K1ngslayer is just a reformulation of another of their products, that’s probably a lot to do with it.

Looking forward to this one though, but more doesn’t exactly mean better.
More means better with SNS as they don’t cut corners on quality extracts.
 
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Idk I did vector and K1ngslayer, vector had 1 gram and K1ngslayer had 2g. Vector definitely hit harder, but usually people kinda sleep on the 2 other ingredients in vector. People all day complaining about vector’s KME being underdosed or not providing whether or not it was extracted for what was in the study. It was still better than k1ngslayer, K1ngslayer is just a reformulation of another of their products, that’s probably a lot to do with it.

Looking forward to this one though, but more doesn’t exactly mean better.
Sorry that your individual response to that product wasn’t what you wanted, there will be people on both sides with situations like this.

1g was shown to have results, but the study showed greater results with 2g.

Therefore I’d still rather have the full 2g in a product if possible, hence the excitement for this new product.
 

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2g of KME will be excellent in this new anabolic. Vector by BLR had 1g and it was/is very popular, excited to see the full profile
Idk I did vector and K1ngslayer, vector had 1 gram and K1ngslayer had 2g. Vector definitely hit harder, but usually people kinda sleep on the 2 other ingredients in vector. People all day complaining about vector’s KME being underdosed or not providing whether or not it was extracted for what was in the study. It was still better than k1ngslayer, K1ngslayer is just a reformulation of another of their products, that’s probably a lot to do with it.

Looking forward to this one though, but more doesn’t exactly mean better.
 
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This one is already a winner and had no doubt about it.
 
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This one is already a winner and had no doubt about it.
 

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you would not post to time in a row if you had no doubt, stop the bulshit!
 
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Sorry that your individual response to that product wasn’t what you wanted, there will be people on both sides with situations like this.

1g was shown to have results, but the study showed greater results with 2g.

Therefore I’d still rather have the full 2g in a product if possible, hence the excitement for this new product.
What ingredients were at 2 grams!
 
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There must be a reason they chose 1 gram over two I’m sure .
 
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There must be a reason they chose 1 gram over two I’m sure .
It’s cheaper, to cut down on capsules/space, different extract, they felt that amount was enough within a formula, etc.

I don’t know the reason why they would (and again 1g was shown to have benefit), all I know is the current research showed more was better so I would prefer the “more”.
 
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Any sort of digestion complex involved in this product? Such as bitters (Gentian), enzymes, etc?
 

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If it has all 3 with additional goodies, I’m cool with that. Especially if it’s for ~$50
Whilst I like a good deal as much as the next guy I also admire the innovaters for what they do to stretch the frontiers. Lets see what else is in the product
 
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For heads up, Vector has a 100:1 extract of KM.
 
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I wonder if there will be any sort of drying/leaning ingredient involved? I happened to find some Man Sports PR-XT for a good price and its an interesting product that had both bulking components (Anacyclus) and leaning properties (Beta 2 adrenoreceptors).
 

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I would be incline to think that compound 20 had more ingredient compare to the official fact panel. This company close lately because they spike there product I think so..... cocoabuterol might just do jack ****
 
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some really good (and interesting) guesses coming out today... seems like its time to get creative ha
 
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some really good (and interesting) guesses coming out today... seems like its time to get creative ha
At this point, I think we are all just looking back at popular anabolics and pitching the individual ingredients
 
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At this point, I think we are all just looking back at popular anabolics and pitching the individual ingredients
its never a bad approach to start with things that are proven to work, even anecdotally.
 
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Idk I did vector and K1ngslayer, vector had 1 gram and K1ngslayer had 2g. Vector definitely hit harder, but usually people kinda sleep on the 2 other ingredients in vector. People all day complaining about vector’s KME being underdosed or not providing whether or not it was extracted for what was in the study. It was still better than k1ngslayer, K1ngslayer is just a reformulation of another of their products, that’s probably a lot to do with it.

Looking forward to this one though, but more doesn’t exactly mean better.
I think that Vector and K1ngslayer get unfairly compared sometimes. They share KME but besides that are very different products in my opinion. I also agree that the other ingredients in vector are overlooked and underrated; years before Vector ever came out I and another formulator had looked into those ingredients. I had originally said it was 3 years ago and got curious and looked back on my notes. It was actually longer ago than that, we had started discussing them in 2014 - before KME was ever even talked about. The product at the time didn't work out because some of the other ingredients that we had wanted to use weren't available at a reasonable price so it just got sidelined.
 
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At this point, I think we are all just looking back at popular anabolics and pitching the individual ingredients
I mean honestly I’m looking for a few things I’ve enjoyed before, maybe a few I haven’t, but mostly just for a well rounded formula that makes sense.
 

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I would be incline to think that compound 20 had more ingredient compare to the official fact panel. This company close lately because they spike there product I think so..... cocoabuterol might just do jack ****
Ya I don’t know what was truly in it but it definitely leaned me out and had a real strong glucose disposal type feeling to it. I miss that stuff.
 
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Just dont make it 3 out of 3. Otherwise well rename it Vector+.

Vaso6?
No to the VASO6.

This is one of those cases where sometimes things don't come across the way they may be intended online. I'm not sure if this was an attempt at humor or a veiled insult. I realize that this may truly be an instance of joking and I'm not upset at you in any way, but many people reading won't know how to take it, and to companies this is their livelihood and such a reference or statement would be disrespectful to us and to BLR.

I have taken a lot of time lately to try to interact more with everyone on AM and I enjoy it. At the same time, I make no secret about one of the reasons I stopped posting for many years was I'm a very nice and respectful person and I got tired of the drama and insults and bickering that were so common on here at one time.

I do not do the company vs company thing. I worry about what we do, not what other companies do. I've gone out of my way to interact and ask people what ingredients and products that they want to see from us and already addressed very nicely in this thread - are we supposed to not use ingredients just because other companies do, even if they are ingredients that we were considering years before someone else used them?

In 2015, there was a product draft that that we were working on that had Eriobotrya Japonica and Rehmannaie Raddix in it. I had discussed it with several people at the time and a couple of contract manufacturers knew about it as well. We didn't move forward with the project at that time because a couple of the other ingredients that we wanted to use in it we couldn't source an extract that we were happy with at a reasonable price at that time. This was long before anyone was even thinking about KME. When we didn't move forward with it, did any of the people that knew about it say anything to BLR about them? No idea. Do I care? No, not at all. Why? Because they are great ingredients and I was glad that they offered them to people to use. Does that mean that we were never going to use them just because they did? Of course not. The industry would never evolve if that were the case; plus we put a lot of time back then into these ingredients; we were just looking for the perfect formulas to use them in. Note: I seriously doubt that anyone did tell BLR that we were looking into these back then, I think he just realized like we did that they are great ingredients. BUT even if they did, he was well within his rights to use them and I never said a word. (And I told one of the people that was upset about it that I had collaborated with on it to never publicly mention it bc it didn't matter, they were well within their rights to use them).

I'm not upset at the poster here at all, but I had already addressed this nicely in a long detailed post before that of course in a 7 ingredient product there are going to be overlaps with other products. I do realize he may have been joking which is why sometimes the internet can suck because context and tone don't come across sometimes.

This is my second and likely last time addressing product comparisons though. If this thread continues with anymore veiled insults or things that may be veiled insults, then there will be no more information revealed until the product is released.
 
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Whilst I like a good deal as much as the next guy I also admire the innovaters for what they do to stretch the frontiers. Lets see what else is in the product
For more details you can see my initial reply - we were looking at two out of the three ingredients in Vector back in 2015. That project made it as far as actually being named and halted because a different ingredient in that was going to be in it turned out to be unavailable at a quality extract at a reasonable price.

The research on those ingredients had been out and they were on many different raw material supplier lists. Us, nor BLR, nor anyone else that I'm aware of technically 'innovated' them; they were available for sale to whomever saw and realized the potential of them. It's a funny thing in this industry, so many times people that come to market with something first say they 'innovated' or act like they came up with an ingredient that's been on supplier lists and available to anyone. It's cool and great that they may have been the ones to take the time to look into the ingredient and its potential, but its not like company owners are out miraculously creating herbals, things that have been around for hundreds or thousands of years. Note: To BLR's credit, I never read where he claimed to have came up to these; I think he acknowledged that he saw the potential in them and that's awesome, but in no way mean that other companies didn't as well.

Plus, innovation is great but also we prefer to not treat customers like science projects. We much prefer to offer proven ingredients and formulas that we know work (hence why we use a lot of branded ingredients that have studies behind them) because we recognize that most people work very hard for their money and we respect that and don't want to throw out products in the name of 'innovation' that may look great on paper but turn out to be a waste of people's hard earned money. That's something we will never apologize for - offering top quality products at cost effective prices and not treating people like they're supposed to pay money to be part of some type of ingredient experiment.
 
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Eleuthero ( Siberian ginseng)
I like the ingredient but it's not included in this formula.

Lodhra Extract.

Increase cAMP and would be synergistic with X-Gels
I like the ingredient but its not included in this formula.

50mg of Forskolin would probably fit well here as well
We considered it but didn't go with it because it gives some people stomach issues.

I wonder if there will be any sort of drying/leaning ingredient involved? I happened to find some Man Sports PR-XT for a good price and its an interesting product that had both bulking components (Anacyclus) and leaning properties (Beta 2 adrenoreceptors).
There isn't anything specific for a drying/leaning effect but the people that we had testing this out all noticed that they got leaner while using this, even if getting leaner wasn't their primary objective.
 
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S7 please
Good job. Winner for the day. And it's included not just for name value and nitric oxide purposes but for a reason that will be elaborated on more as the rest of the ingredients are revealed.

Side note... darn it, I was hoping that it would've taken longer for people to guess this one haha.
 
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Just dont make it 3 out of 3. Otherwise well rename it Vector+.
Why would be rename that when a name is already picked out lol

And making a clone of non prop blend is easy .. it’s making them better and finding out which other ingridents can be stack with it to become the best one out there
 
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Good job. Winner for the day. And it's included not just for name value and nitric oxide purposes but for a reason that will be elaborated on more as the rest of the ingredients are revealed.

Side note... darn it, I was hoping that it would've taken longer for people to guess this one haha.
Interested to see how this fits with everything else. Nice guess!
 
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Side note... darn it, I was hoping that it would've taken longer for people to guess this one haha.
Haha gonna have it revealed sooner then u wanted lol
 
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Lodhra Extract.

Increase cAMP and would be synergistic with X-Gels
Yes yes I am a fan of lodhra bark as well

If I’m not mistaken that was the key ingrident in natadrol along with cissus that pple were double dosing to get some sort of effects.
 
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I wonder if there will be any sort of drying/leaning ingredient involved? I happened to find some Man Sports PR-XT for a good price and its an interesting product that had both bulking components (Anacyclus) and leaning properties (Beta 2 adrenoreceptors).
I know what you mean .. pr-xt is one of my fav .. I like it better then some of the new ones that have claim to be the best

Look into inhibitE for similar leaning effects, very underrated imo more then just running on a cycle product

I’ve stacked inhibit E + mtest for very solid lean gains on meal prep.
 

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Good job. Winner for the day. And it's included not just for name value and nitric oxide purposes but for a reason that will be elaborated on more as the rest of the ingredients are revealed.

Side note... darn it, I was hoping that it would've taken longer for people to guess this one haha.
Just tried it in BPI new preworkout and like it a lot. Pumped that it’s included...no pun intended
 

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Good job. Winner for the day. And it's included not just for name value and nitric oxide purposes but for a reason that will be elaborated on more as the rest of the ingredients are revealed.

Side note... darn it, I was hoping that it would've taken longer for people to guess this one haha.
Just tried it in BPI new preworkout and like it a lot. Pumped that it’s included...no pun intended
 

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