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Unanswered CEL Anabolic Effect - Natural Anabolic

Resolve10 said:
We already knew this should have kept hush so we could get another ingredient answered 🤭
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Technically I don't think anyone had guessed at the dosage so he did good getting that part confirmed and out of the way haha.
 
well thats 1/1 on solid doses... perfect start, as expected!
 
DEVANS89 said:
Will it contain a tub with a screw on lid?
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Regular bottle. You can see the top of the bottle in the teasers I put up I believe.
 
2g of KME will be excellent in this new anabolic. Vector by BLR had 1g and it was/is very popular, excited to see the full profile
 
aaronuconn said:
LJ100 would go nicely in this product, but would overlap with the Longjack in M-Test
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LJ100 is ridiculously expensive for what it is. I like the ingredient but the company that has the rights to it prices it too high to be possible to use in comprehensive formulas. That's why you mostly see it in either formulas that are mainly just it with a couple window dressing ingredients or as a single ingredient item. And then if you do it as a single ingredient (which we considered), they have a mandatory MAP pricing structure. Basically, if we did a 100 mg. per capsule, 60 capsule per bottle single ingredient, by the guidelines it would have to be sold for 34.99 or more.

Basically, we would be required to sell just LJ-100 for more than you average paying for a bottle of M-Test. Hence, why we didn't use a branded version in M-Test. I don't think I publicly explained that before, but for anyone curious, that's why we went with a non-branded version for M-Test.
 
sns8778 said:
LJ100 is ridiculously expensive for what it is. I like the ingredient but the company that has the rights to it prices it too high to be possible to use in comprehensive formulas. That's why you mostly see it in either formulas that are mainly just it with a couple window dressing ingredients or as a single ingredient item. And then if you do it as a single ingredient (which we considered), they have a mandatory MAP pricing structure. Basically, if we did a 100 mg. per capsule, 60 capsule per bottle single ingredient, by the guidelines it would have to be sold for 34.99 or more.

Basically, we would be required to sell just LJ-100 for more than you average paying for a bottle of M-Test. Hence, why we didn't use a branded version in M-Test. I don't think I publicly explained that before, but for anyone curious, that's why we went with a non-branded version for M-Test.
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Yep, 34.99 is how much I’ve paid for a bottle from OL lol. 60 caps at 100mg

Love the ingredient but so expensive. Ferodrox is a solid example of it in a multi ingredient profile
 
aaronuconn said:
Yep, 34.99 is how much I’ve paid for a bottle from OL lol. 60 caps at 100mg

Love the ingredient but so expensive. Ferodrox is a solid example of it in a multi ingredient profile
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I don't want to derail the thread talking about another companies product. To me, that is an okay formula to have LJ100 in there but it averages 49.99 and I think M-Test is far better and 20.00 cheaper on average.

We may do a single ingredient LJ100 if we have the demand for it. If you want, we can continue our discussion on this in the other thread and see how interested other people are in it too.
 
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GreenMachineX said:
I may have missed it, but when is the projected release date of Anabolic Effect and release of ingredients/label?
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I don't like to give exact dates because in this industry, nothing ever seems to happen on time. Best guess - less than two weeks.

Ingredient wise, we will be confirming or releasing little things a long the way.
 
alvin1 said:
Ursolic Acid ?
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No, that won't be in here. Somewhere in the thread I'd explained our reasoning for not using that. Basically, a lot of debate over its absorption/effectiveness and don't want to get involved in that + this formula is so loaded that I don't feel like it would add anything to it except to the price. Good guess though.
 
Edycsterone, I know you talk about it in the other thread, but you never mention it was not in the product, only hard to source ;)
 
alvin1 said:
Edycsterone, I know you talk about it in the other thread, but you never mention it was not in the product, only hard to source ;)
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I suspect with the recent studies you may see a lot of companies try to rush out Ecdysterone products, most of which like we've unfortunately seen in the past will have little to no active ingredients in them (and this isn't always companies trying to screw consumers; many times its suppliers screwing the companies). The thing that people overlook sometimes is that these researchers have huge budgets that translates into being able to buy the best of the best raw materials with no regards to price and this doesn't correlate to what the average person would or could spend on supplements. If I thought, or do find a way, to offer a top quality Ecdysterone product at a cost effective price, we will be glad to do so but at this time I don't think that its feasible.
 
bubbabignuts said:
Eriobotrya Japonica?!
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Confirming that one for the day.

I was thinking I'd probably wind up giving this one away when I mentioned that I'm a big fan of Ferulic Acid and mentioned caffeic acid a couple days ago in a thread. (For anyone that doesn't know, Eriobotrya Japonica contains both + more). There had been the thought of going with just Ferulic Acid but we opted for Eriobotrya Japonica because it has it plus more active constituents.

Anymore guesses today wouldn't/won't be confirmed until tomorrow :)
 
sns8778 said:
Confirming that one for the day.

I was thinking I'd probably wind up giving this one away when I mentioned that I'm a big fan of Ferulic Acid and mentioned caffeic acid a couple days ago in a thread. (For anyone that doesn't know, Eriobotrya Japonica contains both + more). There had been the thought of going with just Ferulic Acid but we opted for Eriobotrya Japonica because it has it plus more active constituents.

Anymore guesses today wouldn't/won't be confirmed until tomorrow :)
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So far, 2 of the 3 ingredients from Vector haha but I suppose this is going to outshine it by far considering how many ingredients are going into this one..
 
bubbabignuts said:
So far, 2 of the 3 ingredients from Vector haha but I suppose this is going to outshine it by far considering how many ingredients are going into this one..
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We did consider not using Eriobotrya in this because of that and just using Ferulic Acid separately, but Eriobotrya has several interesting constituents and was an ingredient that we had been considering long before Vector came out. It was actually in a draft of a natural anabolic formula that we almost did 3 years ago but never moved forward with because we hadn't been able to find standardizations that we were happy with of a couple other ingredients that we wanted to be in there at the time.

It's a hard thing from a formulation standpoint because you want to offer your customers the best possible product; so in a case like this, do you just not use an ingredient because someone else does? Especially if its an ingredient that you'd been looking at for years before they used it? If you take that standpoint, the market and products really doesn't evolve and the people that lose are the customers if you choose to not use an ingredient just because someone else does.

I'll give an example of this pertaining to us. At the time we made the original Focus XT, there was only one other nootropic drink mix on the market that I know of and it was discontinued shortly after Focus XT launched. We're talking the original Focus XT years ago. If you look back to those early times, virtually every nootropic drink mix after that used the majority of the ingredients that we did - and I'm not talking about 1, 2, or even 3 of them. I'm talking about the majority of the formula. It sucks but I understood why - because those ingredients for the time were the absolute best nootropic base available; just like now for modern times the new Focus XT is still the best nootropic base product available. The thing in our case even with that original version is that we offered them at great dosages and at a great price. So even though some people used the majority of our formula, it wasn't at the dosages that we offered and we have very fair markups to where we didn't have to worry about people coming in and undercutting us.

The online world creates for a no-win situation sometimes in situations like this because in a 7 ingredient formula, there's almost bound to be a several ingredient overlap with other products. A look at pre-workout products is a big testament to that in that 90% of them contain the same ingredients and are set apart by little differences.
 
Resolve10 said:
Confirm any dosages?

That’s awesome I was kind of hoping for ferulic acid so this is a nice addition. Don’t know a ton about this EJ but guess it’s time to research a bit...
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There are things that I prefer Ferulic Acid isolated in and then there are things like this that I think Eriobotrya Japonica is a better fit for since it contains it and other cool actives like caffeic acid and ursolic acid. I did rule out ursolic acid as a standalone but never said it wasn't a constituent of something else haha.
 
Even if you have all 3 of Vectors ingredients, plus a couple others, you’ll have the correct dosages studied, and there’s nothing wrong with that.
 
jt75 said:
2g of KME will be excellent in this new anabolic. Vector by BLR had 1g and it was/is very popular, excited to see the full profile
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Idk I did vector and K1ngslayer, vector had 1 gram and K1ngslayer had 2g. Vector definitely hit harder, but usually people kinda sleep on the 2 other ingredients in vector. People all day complaining about vector’s KME being underdosed or not providing whether or not it was extracted for what was in the study. It was still better than k1ngslayer, K1ngslayer is just a reformulation of another of their products, that’s probably a lot to do with it.

Looking forward to this one though, but more doesn’t exactly mean better.
 
Rockzilla said:
Idk I did vector and K1ngslayer, vector had 1 gram and K1ngslayer had 2g. Vector definitely hit harder, but usually people kinda sleep on the 2 other ingredients in vector. People all day complaining about vector’s KME being underdosed or not providing whether or not it was extracted for what was in the study. It was still better than k1ngslayer, K1ngslayer is just a reformulation of another of their products, that’s probably a lot to do with it.

Looking forward to this one though, but more doesn’t exactly mean better.
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More means better with SNS as they don’t cut corners on quality extracts.
 
jt75 said:
2g of KME will be excellent in this new anabolic. Vector by BLR had 1g and it was/is very popular, excited to see the full profile
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Idk I did vector and K1ngslayer, vector had 1 gram and K1ngslayer had 2g. Vector definitely hit harder, but usually people kinda sleep on the 2 other ingredients in vector. People all day complaining about vector’s KME being underdosed or not providing whether or not it was extracted for what was in the study. It was still better than k1ngslayer, K1ngslayer is just a reformulation of another of their products, that’s probably a lot to do with it.

Looking forward to this one though, but more doesn’t exactly mean better.
 
This one is already a winner and had no doubt about it.
 
This one is already a winner and had no doubt about it.
 
Resolve10 said:
Sorry that your individual response to that product wasn’t what you wanted, there will be people on both sides with situations like this.

1g was shown to have results, but the study showed greater results with 2g.

Therefore I’d still rather have the full 2g in a product if possible, hence the excitement for this new product.
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What ingredients were at 2 grams!
 
There must be a reason they chose 1 gram over two I’m sure .
 
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