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Bulk Creatine Nitrate

Royd The Noyd said:
Wha???! That's way to much in both cases imho. 2 grams per day is enough to maintain muscle creatine stores. And that's mono. CN has a greater solubility which should result in the need of less. I think 500-1g/day is enough personally.
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Yeah, that's what I thought, but if you follow APS or Thermolife's dosing directions you are consuming six grams over two servings.
 
hoopem6 said:
Yeah, that's what I thought, but if you follow APS or Thermolife's dosing directions you are consuming six grams over two servings.
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In the APS Creatine Nitrate, the 3g serving only has 1.5g Creatine Nitrate. The rest is DiCreatine Malate and Vitamin C.
 
Milas said:
In the APS Creatine Nitrate, the 3g serving only has 1.5g Creatine Nitrate. The rest is DiCreatine Malate and Vitamin C.
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Ahh, must've overlooked the prop blend. Needless to say, I find it strange that Thermolife is recommending twice the CN dosage.
 
hoopem6 said:
Ahh, must've overlooked the prop blend. Needless to say, I find it strange that Thermolife is recommending twice the CN dosage.
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I think C-Bol only has 1g Creatine Nitrate in each serving.
 
WhatsaRoid? said:
google creatine nitrate or EDITED OH NOES! :P I'm going to order a year supply :)
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I just found it... amazing, my day has JUST BEEN MADE. I won't mention the supplier so I can't receive any infraction, but it's from one of my favorite companies no less, so I don't have to worry about quality or purity!

I'M SO PUMPED! Pun intended ;)

Now... OUTSTANDING will finally be able to try Creatine Nitrate, the way I WANT to try it, without proprietary hogwash and needless 'synergistic' additives that sky-rocket price! :)

BULK CREATINE NITRATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Outstanding said:
I just found it... amazing, my day has JUST BEEN MADE. I won't mention the supplier so I can't receive any infraction, but it's from one of my favorite companies no less, so I don't have to worry about quality or purity!

I'M SO PUMPED! Pun intended ;)

Now... OUTSTANDING will finally be able to try Creatine Nitrate, the way I WANT to try it, without proprietary hogwash and needless 'synergistic' additives that sky-rocket price! :)

BULK CREATINE NITRATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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If were looking at the same thing, thats Creatrate, which is a prop. bro......

Not saying it doesn't work, just saying its a prop.
 
Hawk said:
If were looking at the same thing, thats Creatrate, which is a prop. bro......

Not saying it doesn't work, just saying its a prop.
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Direct from the website:

Purity and Concentration of our Creatine Nitrate

Our Creatine Nitrate powder is assayed by the manufacturer to be 99.5% pure, according to HPLC standardized testing methods. It contains no fillers, taste additives, or anti-caking agents.
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It's the Creatine Nitrate from Premium Ingredients International I believe is the originating source for the powder - pure Creatine Nitrate.
 
Hawk said:
If were looking at the same thing, thats Creatrate, which is a prop. bro......

Not saying it doesn't work, just saying its a prop.
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its not a prop blend. Creatrate is the name of the creatine nitrate. This particular Creatine Nitrate is patented not sure if it is the same as other Creatine nitrates
 
Outstanding said:
I just found it... amazing, my day has JUST BEEN MADE. I won't mention the supplier so I can't receive any infraction, but it's from one of my favorite companies no less, so I don't have to worry about quality or purity!

I'M SO PUMPED! Pun intended ;)

Now... OUTSTANDING will finally be able to try Creatine Nitrate, the way I WANT to try it, without proprietary hogwash and needless 'synergistic' additives that sky-rocket price! :)

BULK CREATINE NITRATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I stubbled upon it by accident the other day and my jaw dropped. I repainted my room white....
 
I guess I'm confused by the terminology on it. It was my understanding after looking at other products, that "Creatrate" was the combination of CN, DiCreatine Malate, and Vitamin C. I'd e-mailed them for clarification of that, too, earlier this morning.
 
JudoJosh said:
its not a prop blend. Creatrate is the name of the creatine nitrate. This particular Creatine Nitrate is patented not sure if it is the same as other Creatine nitrates
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:think:

So, is this Creatrate the same as Thermolife's Creatrate (Creatine Nitrate, Creatine Anhydrous, and Creatine HCL)?
 
hoopem6 said:
:think:

So, is this Creatrate the same as Thermolife's Creatrate (Creatine Nitrate, Creatine Anhydrous, and Creatine HCL)?
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The term "Creatrate" is trade marked to Premium Ingredients International and it is their creatine nitrate. I am not sure if there are other companies making creatine nitrate as well or if PII has all exclusive rights to creatine nitrate. Premium Ingredients Internationals website doesnt list what exactly is in creatrate just that it is creatine nitrate.

Honestly it really doesnt matter if other creatines are added to it. Once in the body creatine nitrate simply dissociates into a creatine ion and nitrate ion. Creatine Nitratre is effective because of the freed nitrate ions that are released into the body.
 
WhatsaRoid? said:
google creatine nitrate :P I'm going to order a year supply :)
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Found it :)

Outstanding said:
I just found it... amazing, my day has JUST BEEN MADE. I won't mention the supplier so I can't receive any infraction, but it's from one of my favorite companies no less, so I don't have to worry about quality or purity!

I'M SO PUMPED! Pun intended ;)

Now... OUTSTANDING will finally be able to try Creatine Nitrate, the way I WANT to try it, without proprietary hogwash and needless 'synergistic' additives that sky-rocket price! :)

BULK CREATINE NITRATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Just bought 2lbs!! Gonna be awesome!

beni182 said:
I stubbled upon it by accident the other day and my jaw dropped. I repainted my room white....
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I share you're excitement! Gonna toss 2grams in with my Ultima and PLCAR!
 
You guys do realize that I attempted to purchase Creatine Nitrate to sell as a bulk powder on NutraPlanet and that I was told flat out that none of the Nitrate products would ever be green-lighted for bulk sales, right?

You guys are also aware that there are Chinese companies selling these nitrate products in opposition to Thermolife's patent, right?

And lastly you know not to believe everything every company say about where they get their products, right?

Just checking.

If dosed or manufactured improperly, nitrates are nothing to mess with. They can precipitously drop blood pressure fast - that is their medicinal use. I would exercise caution when ingesting bulk nitrate products. My 2 cents.
 
custom said:
You guys do realize that I attempted to purchase Creatine Nitrate to sell as a bulk powder on NutraPlanet and that I was told flat out that none of the Nitrate products would ever be green-lighted for bulk sales, right?

You guys are also aware that there are Chinese companies selling these nitrate products in opposition to Thermolife's patent, right?

And lastly you know not to believe everything every company say about where they get their products, right?

Just checking.

If dosed or manufactured improperly, nitrates are nothing to mess with. They can precipitously drop blood pressure fast - that is their medicinal use. I would exercise caution when ingesting bulk nitrate products. My 2 cents.
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Make a product with it then Custom if you can't sell it in bulk... or put it in Flashover instead of mono.
 
custom said:
You guys do realize that I attempted to purchase Creatine Nitrate to sell as a bulk powder on NutraPlanet and that I was told flat out that none of the Nitrate products would ever be green-lighted for bulk sales, right?

You guys are also aware that there are Chinese companies selling these nitrate products in opposition to Thermolife's patent, right?

And lastly you know not to believe everything every company say about where they get their products, right?

Just checking.

If dosed or manufactured improperly, nitrates are nothing to mess with. They can precipitously drop blood pressure fast - that is their medicinal use. I would exercise caution when ingesting bulk nitrate products. My 2 cents.
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Put it in a capped product like APS did then.
 
custom said:
You guys do realize that I attempted to purchase Creatine Nitrate to sell as a bulk powder on NutraPlanet and that I was told flat out that none of the Nitrate products would ever be green-lighted for bulk sales, right?

You guys are also aware that there are Chinese companies selling these nitrate products in opposition to Thermolife's patent, right?

And lastly you know not to believe everything every company say about where they get their products, right?

Just checking.

If dosed or manufactured improperly, nitrates are nothing to mess with. They can precipitously drop blood pressure fast - that is their medicinal use. I would exercise caution when ingesting bulk nitrate products. My 2 cents.
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Great post sir
 
custom said:
You guys are also aware that there are Chinese companies selling these nitrate products in opposition to Thermolife's patent, right?
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Do you happen to know if Thermolife sources their Creatrate from Premium Ingredients International?

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"Premium Ingredients International is the exclusive provider of Creatrate™ (patented creatine nitrate) and Amino Acid Nitrates."

With that being said, I was told over the phone that the aforementioned bulk Creatrate being sold is sourced directly from Premium Ingredients International.
 
custom said:
Other way around.
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When I first looked into this I was under the impression that Premium Ingredients International helt the patent to Creatrate and Thermolife bought its creatrate from them but after you said that I looked back into it and yup your right I was wrong

A series of clinical studies were performed at the department of Pharmacy Sciences at Creighton University in collaboration with lead scientific researcher Patrick Dib, M.Sc, USC, UCLA trained, now doctoral research assistant at the University of Oklahoma.
CreatrateTM is manufactured by Thermolife International L.L.C., Phoenix, Arizona
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So is this to say ALL creatine nitrates will be infringing on Therolifes patent?

As you may know some members have discovered a website that claims it sells this creatrate in bulk, but if what you are saying is that thermolife expressed that this will NEVER be sold in bulk and there is a big possibility that this website is selling a home made version of creatrate and not the official one, then I would agree and warn people to hold off before ordering.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention Custom :thumbsup:
 
JudoJosh said:
When I first looked into this I was under the impression that Premium Ingredients International helt the patent to Creatrate and Thermolife bought its creatrate from them but after you said that I looked back into it and yup your right I was wrong



So is this to say ALL creatine nitrates will be infringing on Therolifes patent?

As you may know some members have discovered a website that claims it sells this creatrate in bulk, but if what you are saying is that thermolife expressed that this will NEVER be sold in bulk and there is a big possibility that this website is selling a home made version of creatrate and not the official one, then I would agree and warn people to hold off before ordering.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention Custom :thumbsup:
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Great post, I just sent a message to MF to ask where they are getting their CM product from. I asked if it was from China as well just to clear that up although who knows if they are telling the truth. But if they tell me a place I can contact to check I'll do so and post an update.
 
WhatsaRoid? said:
Great post, I just sent a message to MF to ask where they are getting their CM product from. I asked if it was from China as well just to clear that up although who knows if they are telling the truth. But if they tell me a place I can contact to check I'll do so and post an update.
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You can try and ask for a COA?

A concern with Chinese made products are inconsistencies in QA from their manufacturers and CMOs but with this I think its not just the fact that they may be selling a chinese made product but that it isnt the real deal and you wont be able to know if it is safe or not. As Custom pointed out nitrates arent anything to play around with.

Please not: The above doesn't apply to ALL products that are made from China just something to keep in mind, especially if that supplier is knocking off a patented product
 
WhatsaRoid? said:
Great post, I just sent a message to MF to ask where they are getting their CM product from. I asked if it was from China as well just to clear that up although who knows if they are telling the truth. But if they tell me a place I can contact to check I'll do so and post an update.
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Keep us updated on this once you find out please.
 
WhatsaRoid? said:
Great post, I just sent a message to MF to ask where they are getting their CM product from. I asked if it was from China as well just to clear that up although who knows if they are telling the truth. But if they tell me a place I can contact to check I'll do so and post an update.
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Just got off the phone with the owner of said company...

He stated that the bulk Creatrate being sold is the exact same Creatrate found in Thermolife's C-Bol. Also, that they source their Creatrate directly from Premium Ingredients International. The Creatrate is HPLC Certified Pharmaceutical Grade and meets HAACP, FDA, and Kosher standars...

He also went on to say that this is a completely legitimate operation and that he would not be able to sell the patented Creatrate name without set contractual rights.
 
hoopem6 said:
Just got off the phone with the owner of said company...

He stated that the bulk Creatrate being sold is the exact same Creatrate found in Thermolife's C-Bol. Also, that they source their Creatrate directly from Premium Ingredients International. The Creatrate is HPLC Certified Pharmaceutical Grade and meets HAACP, FDA, and Kosher standars...

He also went on to say that this is a completely legitimate operation and that he would not be able to sell the patented Creatrate name without set contractual rights.
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Nice.

Did he also happen to mention anything about whether it's just pure CN? As it's already been pointed out, I'm pretty certain that's the case, now, but I still like clarification on things :)
 
hoopem6 said:
Just got off the phone with the owner of said company...

He stated that the bulk Creatrate being sold is the exact same Creatrate found in Thermolife's C-Bol. Also, that they source their Creatrate directly from Premium Ingredients International. The Creatrate is HPLC Certified Pharmaceutical Grade and meets HAACP, FDA, and Kosher standars...

He also went on to say that this is a completely legitimate operation and that he would not be able to sell the patented Creatrate name without set contractual rights.
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I know who you are talking about, and he is a good guy. He is legit as they come and has always provided me with any CoA I have asked for.
 
hoopem6 said:
Just got off the phone with the owner of said company...

He stated that the bulk Creatrate being sold is the exact same Creatrate found in Thermolife's C-Bol. Also, that they source their Creatrate directly from Premium Ingredients International. The Creatrate is HPLC Certified Pharmaceutical Grade and meets HAACP, FDA, and Kosher standars...

He also went on to say that this is a completely legitimate operation and that he would not be able to sell the patented Creatrate name without set contractual rights.
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Nice, well done. Reps coming your way.
 
DAdams91982 said:
I know who you are talking about, and he is a good guy. He is legit as they come and has always provided me with any CoA I have asked for.
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very reassuring bud :thumbsup:
 
MidwestBeast said:
Nice.

Did he also happen to mention anything about whether it's just pure CN? As it's already been pointed out, I'm pretty certain that's the case, now, but I still like clarification on things :)
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No, I don't believe I specifically asked him that question; however, I do believe this to be the case. If you would like further clarification or conformation, I would suggest giving them a call.

DAdams91982 said:
I know who you are talking about, and he is a good guy. He is legit as they come and has always provided me with any CoA I have asked for.
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Agreed! He was more than happy to address every one of my questions and even gave me his personal cell phone number if I had any additional inquiries.
 
Well good for this guy I suppose. Will never hate on someone trying to make an honest living.

Just really bummed that our request for bulk sales was turned down and I was told it would never happen.

Oh well.
 
custom said:
Well good for this guy I suppose. Will never hate on someone trying to make an honest living.

Just really bummed that our request for bulk sales was turned down and I was told it would never happen.

Oh well.
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Hmm maybe it's not to late... You know, you have a lot of loyal customers here..
 
custom said:
Well good for this guy I suppose. Will never hate on someone trying to make an honest living.

Just really bummed that our request for bulk sales was turned down and I was told it would never happen.

Oh well.
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Why not just call the make of creatine nitrate directly, screw the middle man. That may be the in you are looking for.
 
monstermash said:
Get some CN now. Will buy from NP from now on if you do.
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Finally pulled the trigger and purchased some bulk Creatine Nitrate, looking forward to reporting back. It's a small risk, and if I love it like many of the members say I will (BigT, where are you?) then all the better.

Power Shock (BCAA Nitrates) will stack very well with it.
 
Outstanding said:
Power Shock (BCAA Nitrates) will stack very well with it.
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Just make sure to keep an eye on your total nitrate intake.

I like VPX, but Power Shock didn't do anything extra for me than bulk BCAAs or other amino products did. Yok3d also didn't do anything significant for me. Creatine Nitrate is the only nitrate product I've used so far that's been effective (for me).
 
MidwestBeast said:
Just make sure to keep an eye on your total nitrate intake.

I like VPX, but Power Shock didn't do anything extra for me than bulk BCAAs or other amino products did. Yok3d also didn't do anything significant for me. Creatine Nitrate is the only nitrate product I've used so far that's been effective (for me).
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I went thru 2 tubs of power shock and it's the same as purple wrath IMO no better of a pump or recovery.
 
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