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Best Pre Workout without Creatine 2012 ?

Applied Nutriceuticals RPM :)





jdg76
Team APPNUT
 
Hemavol and Body Octane for stim free.

White Flood for a stim option.
 
AppNuts LitUp if you can still find it
 
Erase OG + EC Stack will help you lift 100lbs right over your head. It's the hulk hogan of preworkouts.
 
baldwanus said:
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stim free options: hemavol, body octane

stim options: white flood, focus xt
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good list right here. I personally didn't notice much from white flood or even the earlier white blood they used to have but I haven't tried the newest version so I can't attest to that.
 
Since the theme here seems to be non-stim, I'd go Anabolic Ignite. Though it does have creatine nitrate in it. Being a nitrate however, takes it somewhat out of your typical creatine catagory.
 
RenegadeRows said:
We have free samples of the new batch, if your interested. :)
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Could i try a sample? Ive been wanting to give white flood a try along with the new version.. just never did.
 
Hemavol, body octane for stim free options

That, or 2 scoops hemavol + 1 scoop Compete with 1.5 scoops Compete during :D
 
TrainingDaze said:
Hey everyone!

Is White Flood still the king of this category?

Thanks!!
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Another vote for Hemavol/Body Octane for pre WO (non-stim).

If you're into stims SNS Focus XT plus an agmatine product (SNS Bulk agmatine, Hemavol, etc.) makes for a great pump and mental focus combo.
 
rehj said:
Another vote for Hemavol/Body Octane for pre WO (non-stim).

If you're into stims SNS Focus XT plus an agmatine product (SNS Bulk agmatine, Hemavol, etc.) makes for a great pump and mental focus combo.
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SNS FocusXT and hemavol stack great! Hmmm I think FocusXT, hemavol pre and compete intra would be a even better :)
 
StackedCop said:
SNS FocusXT and hemavol stack great! Hmmm I think FocusXT, hemavol pre and compete intra would be a even better :)
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Couldn't agree more. I love me some compete recovery (not to mention its f-ing delicious).

And Hemavol is a great pre WO that is much more than just agmatine for a pump.
 
baldwanus said:
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stim free options: hemavol, body octane

stim options: white flood, focus xt
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I like focus xt as well. If you find you need something else in it you can easily modify it with our bulk ingredients. Utima and mesomorph were.also some of my favorites
 
CRAZE! It's a ****ing AWESOME pre-workout. Best I've ever tried.


I either take that or pop an ephedrine and take some Amplified by **** ass ***.
 
Not to get off topic, but is the new hemavol powerder the same as the pills? I used it when it first came out in pill form and never really got anything out of it, I am a bad responder I guess. It was reputable back then but now everyone seems to heap praise on it. Thanks.
 
Hemavol is deff a favorite here. Just can't justify 32 servings for $32 plus shipping. If cost was lowered then maybe. But I guess you make a better pre workout just using bulk stuff
 
CountryLiftin said:
Not to get off topic, but is the new hemavol powerder the same as the pills? I used it when it first came out in pill form and never really got anything out of it, I am a bad responder I guess. It was reputable back then but now everyone seems to heap praise on it. Thanks.
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It's the same product just in powder form. I think the main issue with the tabs is users were not giving the tabs enough time to break down. Many users that didn't like the tabs seem to respond much better to the powder.
 
What if one scoop is not enough of
product?
Why not get CM and agmatine in bulk? Its definitely cheaper in the long haul. And you could possibly dose CM at 8g. Dose Agmatine 500 mg to 1 gram. And the prop blend in hemavol doesn't impress me in the least. Look I'm not saying its bad, it has a great profile and I have taken it with Clout for great pumps. But for the cash I wont buy a tub anytime soon.
 
CountryLiftin said:
Not to get off topic, but is the new hemavol powerder the same as the pills? I used it when it first came out in pill form and never really got anything out of it, I am a bad responder I guess. It was reputable back then but now everyone seems to heap praise on it. Thanks.
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The pharmacokinetic differences between tablets and powder may very well change your periworkout response.
 
Callejul said:
What if one scoop is not enough of
product?
Why not get CM and agmatine in bulk? Its definitely cheaper in the long haul. And you could possibly dose CM at 8g. Dose Agmatine 500 mg to 1 gram. And the prop blend in hemavol doesn't impress me in the least. Look I'm not saying its bad, it has a great profile and I have taken it with Clout for great pumps. But for the cash I wont buy a tub anytime soon.
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Hemavol ain't a prop blend.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
The pharmacokinetic differences between tablets and powder may very well change your periworkout response.
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Thanks for the input. Still don't think I'll go back however.

StackedCop said:
It's the same product just in powder form. I think the main issue with the tabs is users were not giving the tabs enough time to break down. Many users that didn't like the tabs seem to respond much better to the powder.
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Thanks, I was giving around 45 minutes for it before leaving for the gym plus hour long gym sessions. I dunno. Even worked up to the max dose and nothing. Went through the bottle way too fast at that rate as well.
 
Purus has ConDense out which is creatine free. I have not tried it but I was selected as a logger so you can follow my log and see how it goes. Bodyoctane is solid ass well

I have also used Hemavol with great results. Check out my review.
 
runner_79 said:
Hemavol ain't a prop blend.
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Part of it is a prop blend.

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kingjameskjf said:
Part of it is a prop blend.

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Boom roast.
 
kingjameskjf said:
Part of it is a prop blend.

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That is true but one.post suggested it as a whole was a prop blend
 
Invycktus said:
Is Craze stim or non stim? I am confused :(
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It is a stimulant. One hell of a stimulant too. Serving size is one scoop and I see no need to ever need more. One scoop and I'm ****ing ampd! My eyes were hard core wide open at the gym and I had loads of energy.

Some pre-workouts give me heart burn or nausea, but Craze didn't. It also tastes pretty good too. Lil funky after taste though. BEST PRE-WORKOUT I'VE EVER TRIED!!
 
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