Best pre-Workout supplement

Nice!! My suggestion is to do like I have been doing for quite awhile: trial and error.
 
alright thank you! im trying white flood today before cardio, just 1 scoop then more if i need it, lol thanks again guys!
 
Meso is great. I will most likely buy it next. Yesterday I had a great arm workout, after taking Maximize V2. i DID HOWEVER have 2 slices of cheesecake yesterday too....lol, which helped the pump. My arms were crazy. I didnt want to stop, but the gym on base where we are stopped was closing.
 
SweetLou321 said:
pre-surge doesnt give you that tear shat up feeling either.
in ur opinion what does give you that feeling?
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Mesomorph...no doubt about it especially the newer formula that has the creatine nitrate in it. The only way I describe it is it feels like your body has a craving that won't go away until you work out and - as you put it - tear sh!t up.
 
neofrost83 said:
Mesomorph...no doubt about it especially the newer formula that has the creatine nitrate in it. The only way I describe it is it feels like your body has a craving that won't go away until you work out and - as you put it - tear sh!t up.
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well said!
 
I need to buy some of this Meso stuff...using maximize v2 right now and I have to say I am not super impressed...might be taking it too close to a meal though, or maybe too much...started right at 1.5 scoops. Might have been off so long though that I needed to get used to stims again as the last few days in the gym I have been unstoppable and not wanting to leave..
 
Im very late on this thread lol. I have tried quite a few of the pre workout supps but I can honestly say I was never impressed with Jack3d nor SuperPump.

No Shot gun~gave a good little pump
Whiteflood~ Had me focuses
BlackPowder and NO Xplode~ They both seem to be the exact same thing to me.
Shock Therapy~ decent pump
Animal Pump~ I actually like, I like the pumps I feel from it

I just order Muscle Pharm Assault along with some other Muscle Pharm goodies. Been hearing a lot about this Assault so I wanna see first hand whats the deal.
 
Liftergym33 said:
Why is Mesomorph discontinued?
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that was the old formula-the new one is available at other sites just not nutraplanet!!! the nutra product request thread is full of requests for nutra to carry meso and the rest of aps products-there is a huge demad for aps here on this forum-WHY NUTRAPLANET IS NOT CARRYING APS PRODUCTS IS BEYOND BELIEF.:aargh:
 
thebigt said:
that was the old formula-the new one is available at other sites just not nutraplanet!!! the nutra product request thread is full of requests for nutra to carry meso and the rest of aps products-there is a huge demad for aps here on this forum-WHY NUTRAPLANET IS NOT CARRYING APS PRODUCTS IS BEYOND BELIEF.:aargh:
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I dont understand.. Nutra seems to be slacking when the demand is high, but then again, some things take time i guess:)
 
Liftergym33 said:
I dont understand.. Nutra seems to be slacking when the demand is high, but then again, some things take time i guess:)
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some of those requests for meso are kinda old!!!! nutra is just plain dropping the ball.....
 
Yeah I wanted to put it in my last order, but alas they did not have it. :(

On another note, did someone say BOGO?
 
Yes, BOGO is great. I am going back to Jack3d. I know its got mixed reviews here, but I am going to be doing a stack for USP Labs, and will be discussing results here.
 
Jabb said:
Yeah I wanted to put it in my last order, but alas they did not have it. :(

On another note, did someone say BOGO?
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give judgement day a pm-he's got the hookup!!!
 
SweetLou321 said:
clarify on this for me?
I find it to be amazing personally, i only use 1-1.5 scoops tho
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clarify what?

S-E7 Lean Tissue Generation Complex: 3205mg
D-Aspartic Acid (as Sodium D-Aspartic Acid), 3-Aminopropanioc Acid (as Beta-Alanine), Trimethyl Glycine (as Betaine HCL), S-Adenosyl Methionine

theres DAA, Beta Alanine, Betaine, SAMe

DAA common dose 3.2g
Beta Alanine common dose 6.4g
Betaine 750mg
SAMe 400mg

Not saying there needs to be 6.4g of beta alanine in the product, most seem to have around 2g in the product.
Betaine seems to be about 500mg in most products
DAA is common at 3.2g in DAA based products
SAMe isn't a common additive in blends, but the average dose seems to be 200-400mg.

I'm assuming that you'd need the 2 scoops for this one to hit how it should.

Not discrediting the product, as I said it looks good, but the 2 scoops seems to be what is necessary.
 
SweetLou321 said:
Ok, well once DAA builds in the system a smaller dose is needed to keep levels elevated
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If your taking DAA that may be the reason for the bloating you were talking about, it may not even be the Creatine, because the daa is gonna raise estrogen a little, which could lead to abit of bloating.
 
Well i was using Creatine Nitrate with Pre-surge unleashed, which i had been using for a lil bit, then i dropped the pre-surge and just used some caffiene with creatine nitrate, then my lit-up came and i started using that...ive had bloating/GI distress ever since i started using creatine nitrate all the way thru till now
 
SweetLou321 said:
Well i was using Creatine Nitrate with Pre-surge unleashed, which i had been using for a lil bit, then i dropped the pre-surge and just used some caffiene with creatine nitrate, then my lit-up came and i started using that...ive had bloating/GI distress ever since i started using creatine nitrate all the way thru till now
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if you are using all the products you claim to be using, how the hell do you know which is doing what????

that is like eating at a chinese buffet and saying the soy sauce made you sick.
 
JudgementDay said:
If your mixing different Pre-workouts containing Creatine or DAA and switching from other creatines back to Creatine Nitrate then it would be really hard to pin point where the bloating is from.

I get bloated really easy off creatines, gymnema sylvestre, glycerol and others but on day 9 of Creatine Nitrate and still no bloating.
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this guy has been all over the board saying he has used this, used that and everything else.

you have to be nice-I DON'T!!!!:drillsergeant:
 
SweetLou321 said:
Well i was using Creatine Nitrate with Pre-surge unleashed, which i had been using for a lil bit, then i dropped the pre-surge and just used some caffiene with creatine nitrate, then my lit-up came and i started using that...ive had bloating/GI distress ever since i started using creatine nitrate all the way thru till now
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when are you dosing the creatine nitrate, and are you consuming food with it?
 
I started with pre-surge unleashed only 1 scoop, no bloat
then used 4 caps creatine nitrate plus 1 scoop pre-surge, stomach issues/bloat
then discontinued pre-surge and only used 4 caps creatine nitrate with 200mg caff, bloat/stomach issues...im not saying it a INSANE bloat, im saying its like im really full type of bloat.
then lit-up arrive and started it with the same 4 caps i had been taking, bloat/stomach issues
I did not take them all at once, i even decreased my food/fiber intake to see if it would help. I dose creatine nitrates 1 hr after food and 30-40 min before my workout
 
SweetLou321 said:
I started with pre-surge unleashed only 1 scoop, no bloat
then used 4 caps creatine nitrate plus 1 scoop pre-surge, stomach issues/bloat
then discontinued pre-surge and only used 4 caps creatine nitrate with 200mg caff, bloat/stomach issues...im not saying it a INSANE bloat, im saying its like im really full type of bloat.
then lit-up arrive and started it with the same 4 caps i had been taking, bloat/stomach issues
I did not take them all at once, i even decreased my food/fiber intake to see if it would help. I dose creatine nitrates 1 hr after food and 30-40 min before my workout
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well, it's always possible with creatine to create a stomach issue.
I'd split the dose then and roll with it that way
 
Bnatural said:
well, it's always possible with creatine to create a stomach issue.
I'd split the dose then and roll with it that way
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alright thank you, so i decieded (ive had lactation issues in the past with prolactin build up) to see if lit-up/daa would cause these to flare up since my nips have been sensative lately, 12 days of use to far...to my suprise they lactate again...so i will be stoping its use. My question is, i have some RPM i would like to replace it with, but i read Icarrin and Nitrates dont mix, is this true?
 
SweetLou321 said:
alright thank you, so i decieded (ive had lactation issues in the past with prolactin build up) to see if lit-up/daa would cause these to flare up since my nips have been sensative lately, 12 days of use to far...to my suprise they lactate again...so i will be stoping its use. My question is, i have some RPM i would like to replace it with, but i read Icarrin and Nitrates dont mix, is this true?
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Icariin and Nitrates have the potential to drop blood pressure dramatically.
It seems that the studies I've looked through show it's less significant in healthy individuals, but it's extreme for people with CVD (Cardiovascular Disease).
 
Ill take the note and try not to go crazy with it, thank you very much. Ill just make it a rule to either do nitrates or icarrin not both
 
StakedCop said:
:goodpost:
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Its not good posting as i stated earlier, i left the creatine nitrate and changed the pre-wo product of choice to relieve GI distress/bloating as i didnt believe it was the creatine nitrate at first, i know what was going on and whats doing what thank you
 
SweetLou321 said:
Its not good posting as i stated earlier, i left the creatine nitrate and changed the pre-wo product of choice to relieve GI distress/bloating as i didnt believe it was the creatine nitrate at first, i know what was going on and whats doing what thank you
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Meh, I thought it was a good post... In the past I myself took to many supps at once and then was like WTF u don't know which one worked. Don't take anything to personal my man were all here to learn. Guys like BigT know what they're talking about. He's been doing this sh!t way longer thn me at least.
 
Please tell me 1MR from BPI is "the ****" - I ordered it today, and it's quite expensive here in Germany (around 60 bucks! for one tub). Flavor will be Fruit punch.

I read it gives Jack3d - which I liked - a run for its money.
 
edwitt said:
Viagra and couple of caffeine pills FTW :)
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i think they thought i was joking when i 1st said viagra, lol. at my age my doc gives me sample packs of ed meds just for asking. my first workout around 4 hours after taking a 'little blue pill' was amazing. have to be careful though-it can cause light-headedness.
 
SpargelJanusz said:
Please tell me 1MR from BPI is "the ****" - I ordered it today, and it's quite expensive here in Germany (around 60 bucks! for one tub). Flavor will be Fruit punch.

I read it gives Jack3d - which I liked - a run for its money.
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it tastes horrible, but it definitely has a crack like stim effect to it.

hemo rage or whatever it is called is even worse as far as stims go. I took it and I was jittery for 6 hours
 
2k1s said:
it tastes horrible, but it definitely has a crack like stim effect to it.

hemo rage or whatever it is called is even worse as far as stims go. I took it and I was jittery for 6 hours
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ya a 300mg of caffeine Stim crack effect lol
 
SpargelJanusz said:
Please tell me 1MR from BPI is "the ****" - I ordered it today, and it's quite expensive here in Germany (around 60 bucks! for one tub). Flavor will be Fruit punch.

I read it gives Jack3d - which I liked - a run for its money.
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$60!!! :|, you pretty much just get low dose ingredients besides the caffeine lol. I'm sorry to tell you but you could have bought a bottle of Caffeine tabs for $5 lol
 
2k1s said:
it tastes horrible, but it definitely has a crack like stim effect to it.

hemo rage or whatever it is called is even worse as far as stims go. I took it and I was jittery for 6 hours
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hemo rage is the only thing i have ever took that made my bp skyrocket-and i take a lot of stims. i would steer clear of that stuff-don't know what ingredient made bp jump so high, but it honestly gave me a scare.
 
thebigt said:
i think they thought i was joking when i 1st said viagra, lol. at my age my doc gives me sample packs of ed meds just for asking. my first workout around 4 hours after taking a 'little blue pill' was amazing. have to be careful though-it can cause light-headedness.
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Yup,

I read recently that Jay Cutler viagra in his last Olympia Stack, ill find the article and post
 
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