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Beet Root Pre-workout

OHlympia

OHlympia

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I have been reading alot about beetroot's benefits pre-workout. Just wondering if anyone has found any studies or data to show anything on increase in production of NO or effects on endurance?
 
Ive been a lil curious about beet juice pre workout as well. I read a article a little while bac about how it improves endurance and bloodflood. Cyclist and Olympic athletes taking it for improved performance. Was pretty much the gist of the article.
 
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Beetroot juice will also contain betaine (TMG) and nitrates so both of those ergogenic benefits should apply. Problem you will run into is how much beetroot juice will you need to reap those benefits
 
Beetroot contains nitrates which is why it is good pre workout. But I'd rather just take a pre workout with nitrates.
 
Ya I am not sure how much you'd have to consume for actual benefits. I do regularly use TMG and nitrates though so guess I am a fan. ;)
 
I love beet root for Pre workout. I use to juice 2 beets 1 hour before my workout. Great for pump and overall Heath. Great liver cleanse
 
A completely different question but similar topic.. What are your guy's favorite Competition Nitrates? To use right before going on stage for vascularity, pump, fullness...etc
 
It's really impossible to achieve an efficacious dose of beet root in a preworkout product. If you want the natural route, pomegranate may be a better option, hence its inclusion in Enhanced
 
OHlympia said:
A completely different question but similar topic.. What are your guy's favorite Competition Nitrates? To use right before going on stage for vascularity, pump, fullness...etc
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All nitrates should create an equal effect. If you want more vascularity, you should use sodium nitrate instead of potassium nitrate since sodium is the principle osmolyte in the plasma.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
All nitrates should create an equal effect. If you want more vascularity, you should use sodium nitrate instead of potassium nitrate since sodium is the principle osmolyte in the plasma.
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Sodium nitrate healthy though? Don't want to increase my risk of colon cancer any more.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
It's really impossible to achieve an efficacious dose of beet root in a preworkout product. If you want the natural route, pomegranate may be a better option, hence its inclusion in Enhanced
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Can't post links but If you google "nature's way garden veggies nitrates" you'll see the stuff has 500 mg nitrates in 2 caps and if like to subscribe and save its 6.99 for 60 caps
 
mr.cooper69 said:
All nitrates should create an equal effect. If you want more vascularity, you should use sodium nitrate instead of potassium nitrate since sodium is the principle osmolyte in the plasma.
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Instructions on how to take this? Like I'm assuming 1gr is a good dose? Also, I see "lab grade sodium nitrate" would this be fine? Is there like a brand you recommend?
 
Quadzilla99 said:
Can't post links but If you google "nature's way garden veggies nitrates" you'll see the stuff has 500 mg nitrates in 2 caps and if like to subscribe and save its 6.99 for 60 caps
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Dude, seriously awesome find right here. My mind is slightly blown based on the profile (even with dessication), but I'll take the study's word for it.

I don't have any recommendations for sodium nitrate but just make sure you get near 100% purity (food grade). Also, shoot for 300-600mg of actual nitrate content
 
That does sound like a win-win type of supp. Good for you and an ergogenic. I agree on the pomegranate. A mixture of the pom extract from BAC and coleus has been a nice combo for me in the past.
 
hmmmm

[h=1]Beetroot juice and exercise: pharmacodynamic and dose-response relationships.[/h]

[h=3]Abstract[/h]Dietary supplementation with beetroot juice (BR) containing ~5-8 mmol of inorganic nitrate (NO[SUB]3[/SUB][SUP]-[/SUP]) increases plasma nitrite concentration ([NO[SUB]2[/SUB][SUP]-[/SUP]]), reduces blood pressure, and may positively influence the physiological responses to exercise. However, the dose-response relationship between the volume of BR ingested and the physiological effects invoked has not been investigated. In a balanced crossover design, 10 healthy males ingested 70, 140 or 280 ml of concentrated BR (containing 4.2, 8.4 and 16.8 mmol NO3-, respectively) or no supplement to establish the effects of BR on resting plasma [NO[SUB]3[/SUB][SUP]-[/SUP]] and [NO[SUB]2[/SUB][SUP]-[/SUP]] over 24 h. Subsequently, on six separate occasions, 10 subjects completed moderate-intensity and severe-intensity cycle exercise tests 2.5 h post-ingestion of 70, 140 and 280 ml BR, or NO[SUB]3[/SUB][SUP]-[/SUP]-depleted BR as placebo (PL). Following acute BR ingestion, plasma [NO[SUB]2[/SUB][SUP]-[/SUP]] increased in a dose-dependent manner, with the peak changes occurring at ~2-3 h. Compared to PL, 70 ml BR did not alter the physiological responses to exercise. However, 140 and 280 ml BR reduced the steady-state VO[SUB]2[/SUB] during moderate-intensity exercise by 1.7% (P=0.06) and 3.0% (P<0.05), whilst time to task failure was extended by 14% and 12% (both P<0.05), respectively, compared to PL. The results indicate that, while plasma [NO[SUB]2[/SUB][SUP]-[/SUP]] and the O[SUB]2[/SUB] cost of moderate-intensity exercise are improved dose-dependently with NO[SUB]3[/SUB][SUP]-[/SUP]-rich BR, there is no additional improvement in exercise tolerance after ingesting BR containing 16.8 compared to 8.4 mmol NO[SUB]3[/SUB][SUP]-[/SUP]. These findings have important implications for the use of BR to enhance cardiovascular health and exercise performance in young adults.


PMID: 23640589
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pills will still be more cost effective and easier to obtain but 140ml is feasible if one insist on the juice
 
OHlympia said:
A completely different question but similar topic.. What are your guy's favorite Competition Nitrates? To use right before going on stage for vascularity, pump, fullness...etc
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In the competition world, most use viagra. Has a greatly effect on peripheral vascularity than cialis, at least that is what everyone who uses both says.

Mike
 
Most preworkouts that use beet root powder only use around 1 gram, which at most yields approximately less than 2 mg of nitrates.
 
I found garden vegges by natures way, but it doesn't say anything about nitrates on the label. did they change anything since your post?
 
jbryand101b said:
You have to read the study On it. You see it in the search.
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I see. if you have tried it and it rocked your world, I will order some right now. otherwise, I wonder if that comma is supposed to be a decibel, as decibles were used some of the others in the list. I remember reading tons of articles on royal jelly claiming 1 gram had 400mg of pantothenic acid. I had seen government analysis and the b5 was measured in mcg and was far from even one milligram. I figure one day someone online made a typo from mcg to mg and it spread. I have to laugh when people tell me royal jelly consists of 40% one single b vitamin
 
Ive heard a lot about this product and I think that its really a good one. I would say that it will be good for you to stack with something anabolic too. That would be the best thing for you to do. These two products together(something anabolic plus this) would really give you a boost in the gym.
 
jbryand101b said:
I haven't used it. Might though d/t how cheap a bottle is.
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well, its 7 bucks a bottle. ive heard good things when you extract the juice from the plant, but that is pretty outstanding, considering I see oompanies bragging about how they standardized beet root to 1.5 percent. I wrote the company. ive never tried sodium nitrate, but I got this spinach powder from a bodybuilding company and I am very impressed. I had to cut the dose in half though due to it high chlorophyll (laxative) content. so im eating the equivalent of 90 grams (3 cups) of fresh spinach and I definitely have ALOT of muscle hardness. when I was taking the full amount, the muscle hardness was better than no2 at 8 grams so I was pretty impressed. anyway, im excited about this, but I want to find a better way. the guy who sells the spinach says two proteins are released that change calcium regulation and puts it into the tissues. I figure that makes more sense than ed byrds explaination, since no2 is gone in an instant, but calcium remains in the muscles once its put there, anyway, I ordered sodium nitrate and potassium nitrate, but im not sure how effectively these get calcium into the muscle.
 
MuscleGauge1 said:
Ive heard a lot about this product and I think that its really a good one. I would say that it will be good for you to stack with something anabolic too. That would be the best thing for you to do. These two products together(something anabolic plus this) would really give you a boost in the gym.
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what did you hear about it? are people raving about its effects of muscle hardness or endurance?
 
Beet root is actually very good taken pre workout. This is why we use Betaine in our Max Pump to bind to the nitrates.
 
The study on Garden Veggies is absolutely incorrect. Not only are their calculations wrong, but I tried the product and it yielded no results. A very, very poorly written segment.
 
Montego1 said:
Beet root is actually very good taken pre workout. This is why we use Betaine in our Max Pump to bind to the nitrates.
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Beet root preworkout will be of negligible benefit in supplemental form. Using a salt form as in Betaine Nitrate is a different story, though I'd personally stick with 1/2 a serving of max pump for safety reasons
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Beet root preworkout will be of negligible benefit in supplemental form. Using a salt form as in Betaine Nitrate is a different story, though I'd personally stick with 1/2 a serving of max pump for safety reasons
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Of what safety reasons do you speak?
 
iparatroop said:
Of what safety reasons do you speak?
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Overdoing it on nitrates can cause a hypotensive crisis, and over 1 gram of pure nitrate (as derived from 3g of Betaine Nitrate) is well out of the safety threshold and potentially toxic. Conversely, 1.5g of Betaine Nitrate yields 500mg nitrates, which is within the ergogenic range. Plus it doubles the lifetime of the bottle
 
Montego1 said:
Beet root is actually very good taken pre workout. This is why we use Betaine in our Max Pump to bind to the nitrates.
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you know, i actually have a bottle of maxx pump lying around. i honestly had no idea it was sporting 500mg nitrates per serving, so i never got around to it. i took the arginine nitrate by usplabs and nothing ever happened, so i guess i stereotyped. i will definately be trying that.i personnally would experiment with the double dose suggested on the bottle though. i worked with no2 back in the day, so i know when my blood pressure is getting alittle low (tiredness/neck starts to ache as body tries to reduce blood flow to the brain) and im totally confident things would never get out of hand with an no2 product.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Overdoing it on nitrates can cause a hypotensive crisis, and over 1 gram of pure nitrate (as derived from 3g of Betaine Nitrate) is well out of the safety threshold and potentially toxic. Conversely, 1.5g of Betaine Nitrate yields 500mg nitrates, which is within the ergogenic range. Plus it doubles the lifetime of the bottle
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2g of nitrates is a danger zone. Half of that is toatly safe.
 
thescience said:
you know, i actually have a bottle of maxx pump lying around. i honestly had no idea it was sporting 500mg nitrates per serving, so i never got around to it. i took the arginine nitrate by usplabs and nothing ever happened, so i guess i stereotyped. i will definately be trying that.i personnally would experiment with the double dose suggested on the bottle though. i worked with no2 back in the day, so i know when my blood pressure is getting alittle low (tiredness/neck starts to ache as body tries to reduce blood flow to the brain) and im totally confident things would never get out of hand with an no2 product.
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It's more around 1g per serving but it is in fact an awesome product. Most people notice the effects st around day five or so.
 
we stand by our product Max Pump as being a safe and effective formulation for betaine nitrate

our own R&D team has studied this extensively, and come to a conclusion based on first hand experience and knowledge of our own formulation, in regards to safety and efficacy...

we will decline to be drawn into silly arguments with other company representatives, who claim that our product is unsafe

for more information on Max Pump, please visit the FINAFLEX company forum, or our website at the link listed below
 
Ok, I'm done. If a consumer PMs me, I will tell them what's best for their health, which is to take no more than 2 caps. If any "incident" occurs, at least ill have a clear conscience that I tried to warn them.Note that I actually like max pump and my dosing scheme makes the bottle twice as valuable. But alas, given the state of affairs in this industry, it won't matter either way
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Ok, I'm done. If a consumer PMs me, I will tell them what's best for their health, which is to take no more than 2 caps. If any "incident" occurs, at least ill have a clear conscience that I tried to warn them.Note that I actually like max pump and my dosing scheme makes the bottle twice as valuable. But alas, given the state of affairs in this industry, it won't matter either way
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the simple truth is coop - your "warnings" seem a little biased

a great many ppl are currently/have been consuming multiple nitrate-containing products, for yrs..
stacking items seems to be the popular method these days

nitrates have been consumed in much greater amount sometimes, than 1g..
I have heard no instance of nitrate-induced toxicity presenting any health issues, for this specific issue

we thank you for your concern to the public, insofar as our product formulations go..
this is not the first time of course you have chosen to take your time and critique our formulas

as for claiming a "clear conscience" - well I feel that doesn't even deserve response, but please -
worry yourself not about FINAFLEX conscience and how we conduct ourselves, and construct our products..
we simply have no issues here
seems like you would have your hands full with your own products, but again thank you for your efforts

you running around in your current capacity pointing fingers at other companies - as a representative of PES company - does nothing but make you look bad..if this is the marketing tactic you guys wish to employ, then good luck; how you conduct yourself is no concern to us, unless I am drawn in here to (once again) clarify accusations against FINAFLEX made to the forum in general when we are under unprovoked and unfounded personal attack as to character and integrity

best to you
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Overdoing it on nitrates can cause a hypotensive crisis, and over 1 gram of pure nitrate (as derived from 3g of Betaine Nitrate) is well out of the safety threshold and potentially toxic. Conversely, 1.5g of Betaine Nitrate yields 500mg nitrates, which is within the ergogenic range. Plus it doubles the lifetime of the bottle
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I've heard you warn people about nitrate toxicity plenty of times in no way referring to a product in particular. Thank you for bringing up these points. You have said the same thing to people stacking enhanced with other nitrate products so to say it is a biased response is completely untrue. Thanks for the info coop as always.
 
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