You get less sides with trest vs tren?When you fine a compound you really like, stick with it...
Trest.
You get less sides with trest vs tren?When you fine a compound you really like, stick with it...
Trest.
Just different side effects. No insomnia or night sweats to deal with on trest but then you have the methyl estrogen to deal with. Pick your poison, whichever one you can swallow easier. I love them both, trying to decide which one I want to jump on right now.You get less sides with trest vs tren?
Depends on the dosage. It didn't matter how low I kept the tren, it still caused my nips to hurt.You get less sides with trest vs tren?
Your lucky man, trest spiked my estrogen, ai was dosed on cycle and heavy for the first week of pct.Depends on the dosage. It didn't matter how low I kept the tren, it still caused my nips to hurt.
With trest I didn't need an ai or any things like that an I used it for 5 months.
Would a 4 andro, 1 andro, epiandro stack for 8 weeks at 330/330/500 be anywhere comparable gains wise to a test cycle say 250 mg a week??He guys just thought I'd start this thread to help those who need it. I have about 10+ years of experience with this stuff and even more years worth of studying it. Everything i say will be from personal experience unless otherwise noted.
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At 22yo Id be thinking about which might have the more profound impact on hpta function.Would a 4 andro, 1 andro, epiandro stack for 8 weeks at 330/330/500 be anywhere comparable gains wise to a test cycle say 250 mg a week??
Not lucky, I just kept my dosage to 90mg/week. 30mg eod of trest phenyl/aceYour lucky man, trest spiked my estrogen, ai was dosed on cycle and heavy for the first week of pct.
100mg a day total split twice a day am and pm with diff application sites . Let rest on skin for 15 min then clean with hand sanitizer. It's yum yums. Bro may have another bit to add.If you were to do dermatrest brofessor how much and how often would you take it?
20mg a day for the first two weeks. 10mg daily for the next 3 is solid. Also what are you saying it's 25 a bottle? I'm assuming it's 50ml?Bought some Nova liquid from trusted source and checked the bottle size and it's 33mg/ml was £25 looking at dosage recommended on here people suggest 20mg a day pct is it worth cancelling and re sourcing or what
Oh gotcha good deal.Not lucky, I just kept my dosage to 90mg/week. 30mg eod of trest phenyl/ace
I stick with test/tren/eq. That's all the more I rotate with. Still gaining just fine.I think I read something that has put this question in my head, but I can't find it or a trustworthy answer. So:
Assuming you take the minimum amount of break (time on+pct=time off etc.), is running the same compound as you did on your last cycle less effective? i.e. Should you vary your gear? And does it make a difference to this whether the stuff is a SARM, PH, or steroid?
I've honestly never looked at td trest, or oral.If you were to do dermatrest brofessor how much and how often would you take it?
Also if you can get your hands on some orals you can stack them with your TD but just keep your dosing the same 100mg E/D with 75mg TD and 25Mg capped pwo. It's good stuff.If you were to do dermatrest brofessor how much and how often would you take it?
If you were to do dermatrest brofessor how much and how often would you take it?
I've actually done dermatrest a couple of years ago with lgd. At 50 it was going all well but on week 3 I upped it to 100mg and even with .5 adex eod the sides started coming fast. I started to blow up and the headaches were terrible. I'm pondering weather to try it again my last cycle was test tren and bold all Td and I freaking loved it. So that's gonna take some beating but I do remember dermatrest kicked in really fast and hard so I wouldn't mind giving it another bashI've honestly never looked at td trest, or oral.
But when I used Td's I would apply after I showered.
Top of feet, behind knees, on neck, behind ears, top of thighs, an on the balls. Shaved, fresh out a hot shower.
But 100mg e/d is probably a good dose.
Well you need to grab some other support for the headaches and such. Honestly the cycle support from OL worked awesome for me. Adex kept my E in check and after the final dose and the first w33k of pct keep your AI really close cause the rebound is rough .I've actually done dermatrest a couple of years ago with lgd. At 50 it was going all well but on week 3 I upped it to 100mg and even with .5 adex eod the sides started coming fast. I started to blow up and the headaches were terrible. I'm pondering weather to try it again my last cycle was test tren and bold all Td and I freaking loved it. So that's gonna take some beating but I do remember dermatrest kicked in really fast and hard so I wouldn't mind giving it another bash
Quads might end up working well for you, but I would try glutes first. PIP in the glutes is no big deal, but PIP in the quads can ruin your leg workouts for a week. It can even make simple things like walking up the stairs painful.I'm going to be starting my first aas cycle this week and I feel like if I try to pin anywhere but my quads I won't stay perfectly still should I just go for it and see how it goes or try my quads?
I will never understand why guys are ok with their test levels dropping by hundreds of points for 6 weeks. If you are ok with it, then run whatever you want. If you're not, then pin some test or run a transdermal testosterone base. Note: neither 4-andro nor epi-andro will keep your test levels up, even though they are commonly referred to as "test bases."I always use a test base on cycle for obvious reasons. However on a short 6 week drying hardening stint, what's your thoughts on running hcg with an oral like anavar, tbol to prevent a lack of test being present / suppression, if frequent prop injections are not practical.
Is there anything otc that will?......Note: neither 4-andro nor epi-andro will keep your test levels up, even though they are commonly referred to as "test bases."
I was just thinking about transdermal products today. I'm pretty sure I'm going to run a cycle of Halo later this year, looking for dry lean gains, not something else that'll blow me up in a few weeks. Would 4 andro suffice at all, or would you suggest running a TD test base along with halo instead?Quads might end up working well for you, but I would try glutes first. PIP in the glutes is no big deal, but PIP in the quads can ruin your leg workouts for a week. It can even make simple things like walking up the stairs painful.
I will never understand why guys are ok with their test levels dropping by hundreds of points for 6 weeks. If you are ok with it, then run whatever you want. If you're not, then pin some test or run a transdermal testosterone base. Note: neither 4-andro nor epi-andro will keep your test levels up, even though they are commonly referred to as "test bases."
It will likely suffice as a "test base" in that it should help counteract some of the side effects of HPTA suppression. I am highly skeptical of its conversion rate to actual testosterone, however. It is likely that a great majority of it (of what converts at all) converts to 4-androstenediol (or 4-AD), which is a prohormone to testosterone but also an active steroid in its own right.I was just thinking about transdermal products today. I'm pretty sure I'm going to run a cycle of Halo later this year, looking for dry lean gains, not something else that'll blow me up in a few weeks. Would 4 andro suffice at all, or would you suggest running a TD test base along with halo instead?
Appreciate the response bro, very helpful. It's still gonna be a few months before I run any cycle, which is why I'm doing all my homework on this stuff now as I want to make sure I have everything covered for when I do start. I'm definitely liking the reviews on Halo, and as of now, unless something changes, I will most likely stack Halo with Androtest by Fusion as it's supposedly a one step conversion to test so it should get the job done.It will likely suffice as a "test base" in that it should help counteract some of the side effects of HPTA suppression. I am highly skeptical of its conversion rate to actual testosterone, however. It is likely that a great majority of it (of what converts at all) converts to 4-androstenediol (or 4-AD), which is a prohormone to testosterone but also an active steroid in its own right.
I will always advocate using testosterone over a prohormone to testosterone. The only downside to a TD test base is that you would have to illegally purchase it from a UGL, which may or may not be an issue depending on your individual circumstances.
4-AD >> Dermacrine, for sureAppreciate the response bro, very helpful. It's still gonna be a few months before I run any cycle, which is why I'm doing all my homework on this stuff now as I want to make sure I have everything covered for when I do start. I'm definitely liking the reviews on Halo, and as of now, unless something changes, I will most likely stack Halo with Androtest by Fusion as it's supposedly a one step conversion to test so it should get the job done.
Friend of mine was just telling a few mins ago dermacrine would be another option but I'm reading about it now and it looks like it'd be the least effective "test base".
Try it. Get pre, mid, and post cycle bloods. If they show no significant reduction in testosterone levels, then I'll say yes.Will running a low dose Naltrexone+SERM throughout a 5 week halodrol cycle keep the HPTA functioning and eliminate the need for a test base?
I understand that. But what percentage do you think actually converts to testosterone?If you take 4-andro your test levels will increase. It is a ph to testosterone.
That is impossible to know. Conversion percentages are made up numbers. Unless you're talking about in vitro and that doesn't matter for users.I understand that. But what percentage do you think actually converts to testosterone?
Fair enough. It may raise or, combined with other suppressive compounds, maintain testosterone levels. However, the daily dosage of 4-andro that equates to a desired weekly dosage of testosterone is impossible to determine. Using actual testosterone removes all guesswork.That is impossible to know. Conversion percentages are made up numbers. Unless you're talking about in vitro and that doesn't matter for users.
I was just stating that as you stated it wasn't a test base.
I posted this in regards to questions about fusions 4-andro-diol which is probably only 25mg 4-androstenediolIn 2002 a paper published in the Journal of Applied Physiology [Ref 1] measured the testosterone levels in strength training young men who took 1 dose of a cyclodextrin complex of 4-androstenediol. The particular product used in this case contained 21.4 mg’s of 4-androstenediol, and 3.7 mg’s of androstenedione in a product (that no longer exists) called Kaizen Cyclo-Diol. [...] after 60 minutes there were significant increases in serum testosterone levels. When you translate the total testosterone peak of about 50 nmol/L you will find that it reached what we would call supraphysiological levels of around 1441 ng/dL testosterone levels.
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The fusion product probably contains at least 25mg of ph.
As with all andro ph's these should be dosed every 3-4 hours to keep blood levels steady.
back in the day I'd dose 200mg 4-andro-diol every 4-5 hours, with 400mg pre workout.this is the cyclodextrin so...
4-andro-diol is good solo for a first time cycle. But is best stacked.
No experience but my joints started aching just reading thatAnybody have experience or knowledge on a 30mg epistane/60mg anavar cycle for 6 weeks?
Thanks
My joints always ache for one reason or another...:/ take fishoil and coconut oil all day and every joint supp known to man...No experience but my joints started aching just reading that
My joints always ache for one reason or another...:/ take fishoil and coconut oil all day and every joint supp known to man...
I figure I might as well git r dunn while I'm suffering anyhoo....
Truth is, it gets a little better when I don't work so hard in the gym......so there's my choices...
Maybe try doing some stuff that isn't as hard on your joints?? What are you goals when working out and taking drugs? If you're trying to build muscle/add mass, there's so much you can do without lifting crazy heavy ass weight and trashing your joints.These are the 3 items I have left for next time
Anavar
Dermatr3st
Epistane
Just trying to figure something out without having to buy more stuff
My goal is to keep muscle while cutting fat. This will probably be my last non natty cycle coming up - my days of doing hard stuff are long over....Maybe try doing some stuff that isn't as hard on your joints?? What are you goals when working out and taking drugs? If you're trying to build muscle/add mass, there's so much you can do without lifting crazy heavy ass weight and trashing your joints.
My solution to your joint problem would be a wet compound like NPP or deca but from the compounds listed, I don't think you're down for the real sh1t.
I'd still look for a compound that will help cushion your joints on cycle. Dermatrest might help but idk how much.
Epistane/Trest makes a nice balance of wet/dry and both are great for mass and strength. You could run some a little test with the Anavar for a nice wet/dry stack as well. Even a Transdermal test no ester would work well with the var.My goal is to keep muscle while cutting fat. This will probably be my last non natty cycle coming up - my days of doing hard stuff are long over....
Uhhh, CRAAAZY idea here....how bout you run compounds that make your joints feel better and might even improve them over time instead of beating them to dust?My joints always ache for one reason or another...:/ take fishoil and coconut oil all day and every joint supp known to man...
I figure I might as well git r dunn while I'm suffering anyhoo....
Truth is, it gets a little better when I don't work so hard in the gym......so there's my choices...
Should've saved PCT for PCT.I ran the following cycle for 8 weeks
LGD 4033 8mg/day
MK 677 20mg/day
OL Sup3r PCT
OL Ar1macare
OL Kingsguard
Hydrapharm Alchemy (an AI) (1/2 dosage)
DAA
Tbh I hadn't done enough research on LGD and so for the last three weeks I've run
LGD 4033 8mg/day
MK 677 20mg/day
Erase Pro+
Black Lion Research Rebirth
OL Kingsguard
DAA
Norateen Heavyweight II (1/3 dosing preworkout) (it was on sale) (ingredients: mucuna pruriens, fenugreek, DIM, beta-ecdysterone, methoxyisoflavone, vit E)
Unfortunately, I've noticed quite a bit of testicular atrophy and I think its due to the LGD 4033. What would you suggest I do?
I'd stopped running Sup3r PCT and ar1macare to give my body a break from natural test boosters and AIs but the suggested four weeks will be up a week from now.
Additionally, I've read about HCG, clomid and nolva. Which one(s) would you recommend, with what dosage, and when?
Also, should I discontinue using BLR Rebirth if I were to start using HCG, clomid or nolva?
Should I take a break from the DAA?
I know I've asked a lot of questions, I'd be grateful for advice!