i hate to break this to you but i understand more than you think...most republicans are as much for globalism as the democrats...trump is the only one with the balls to stand in their way.
ever hear of something called a flu shot?
You just supported my point man... most Republicans in 2020 ARE for big government and globalism. Trump isn't your typical/average Republican. We agree on that...
A vaccine is not the same as a treatment. You yourself said you were talking about a drug to TREAT this virus. Vaccines have demand always, treatments only have as much value as there are active cases. Which means during a pandemic is when the treatment would be the most valuable. Are you talking vaccines or treatments? Experts have been saying we wouldn't have a vaccine here until 2021 since they started researching it. That's not news, and you don't need conspiracy talk to say that.
the flu shot is not a vaccine, there is no vaccine even after all these years, and the flu season comes every year-what makes you think covid would be any different? they still have no aids vaccine, but they have very expensive 'treatments' that require a lifetime on meds---compared to how few people have aids a seasonal treatment for covid would be very profitable for a pharmaceutical 'conglemerate' .
The flu shot IS a vaccine. Why do you post nonsense that is easily disproven? Do some research before you post... you’re wasting both of our time now.
definition of vaccine-to provide protection against disease...many years the protection is against the wrong strand and provides virtually no protection against getting the flu---if it provides no protection then it is inaccurate to describe it as a vaccine---duh!!!The flu shot IS a vaccine. Why do you post nonsense that is easily disproven? Do some research before you post... you’re wasting both of our time now.
“An annual seasonal flu vaccine is the best way to help protect against flu..”
Key Facts About Seasonal Flu Vaccine
An annual seasonal flu vaccine is the best way to help protect against flu. Learn more about seasonal flu vaccine.www.cdc.gov
"Duh?" So you're saying the CDC is wrong, that it's not a vaccine.
dude, if you do a little research you will find that many years they admit they made the wrong vaccine for the strand of flu that season rendering it virtually useless.
Your example is THE example I would use as a real world argument against you. The members of OPEC cheat ALL THE TIME. If they all abide by the rules, they all benefit. But if one of them cheats, the cheater wins and the rest get screwed - so cheating happens quite a bit.
You aren't breaking anything to me
That's exactly my point.
So you're saying that most of today's republicans aren't truly republicans in action, but only in name? Not that today's republicans aren't pro-big-government?Your example is THE example I would use as a real world argument against you. The members of OPEC cheat ALL THE TIME. If they all abide by the rules, they all benefit. But if one of them cheats, the cheater wins and the rest get screwed - so cheating happens quite a bit.
In your example, as I illustrated above, not bringing your product to market and gaining patent rights, etc. is extremely risky unless you can get a guarantee no other company is going to bring their product to the market in the meantime, and trying to gain that guarantee weakens your position even further if a company decides to cheat; because you've revealed the information that you won't be bringing it to market for a time period. If I know I have 6 months to figure something out, my approach will be very different than if I have no idea how long I have, because you could beat me to the punch tomorrow.
If I was a pharma company, it would be in my best interest to get everyone to agree not to release a cure for 6 months, so that I could cheat and be the only one to market while I catch everyone with their pants down.
You aren't breaking anything to me
If a person's career depends on a government position - they are incented to protect that position by growing government and making more and more people rely on that position. i.e. - If I am a career politician who calls himself a republican...I'm still going to grow government to protect my position.
In other words, they aren't republicans anymore. They aren't for individual freedoms and the responsibilities that go with it. Dems and Republicans both want you to rely on gov't.
40-60% of people who actually get those stupid shots...what % of people actually waste their time and money on them?
I just showed you that they've recently been 40-60% effective. Some times it's more effective than other times, but that doesn't mean it's "not a vaccine," and "duh" is hardly justified.
the leaders have changed, for many years the og members of opec held it together enough to set oil prices for the world.Your example is THE example I would use as a real world argument against you. The members of OPEC cheat ALL THE TIME. If they all abide by the rules, they all benefit. But if one of them cheats, the cheater wins and the rest get screwed - so cheating happens quite a bit.
In your example, as I illustrated above, not bringing your product to market and gaining patent rights, etc. is extremely risky unless you can get a guarantee no other company is going to bring their product to the market in the meantime, and trying to gain that guarantee weakens your position even further if a company decides to cheat; because you've revealed the information that you won't be bringing it to market for a time period. If I know I have 6 months to figure something out, my approach will be very different than if I have no idea how long I have, because you could beat me to the punch tomorrow.
If I was a pharma company, it would be in my best interest to get everyone to agree not to release a cure for 6 months, so that I could cheat and be the only one to market while I catch everyone with their pants down.
You aren't breaking anything to me
If a person's career depends on a government position - they are incented to protect that position by growing government and making more and more people rely on that position. i.e. - If I am a career politician who calls himself a republican...I'm still going to grow government to protect my position.
In other words, they aren't republicans anymore. They aren't for individual freedoms and the responsibilities that go with it. Dems and Republicans both want you to rely on gov't.
Do you know how they estimate flu shot effectiveness, or even what it means? a 50% effectiveness rate means you're only half as likely to get the virus. Are you really telling me that if MORE people got the flu shot, the effectiveness rate would be LOWER? That makes zero sense, and displays a fundamental misunderstanding of literally everything related to this topic. If more people got the shot, and it was 50% effective, then there'd be less cases of the flu going around, which means that people, whether they got the shot or not, would be less likely to catch those specific strains of the flu.
Oil is oil, and there's more than enough demand to go around. There's no rush to be the first one to market oil, and you can't patent oil. You're comparing apples and oranges. A COVID TREATMENT (not vaccine) is only as valuable as the demand for it, and the demand for it is only as many active cases as there are, so getting it to market while there is still a raging pandemic is much more profitable. And being first to market is also hugely profitable here. It's not at all like oil...
And if this form is made up of predominately people like the troglodyte who said he's more concerned with the flu than COVID, I don't care in the least what the overall consensus is regarding the flu shot...
Yes, exactly. We have abandoned the ideals that each party is supposed to represent because of career politicians. They kept the names, but lost touch with what they are supposed to be representing.
Show me a period where they held to their production quotas brother. It's well known that OPEC has always been full of cheaters...it's game theory fodder for economists.
you didn't answer my question. do you get a yearly flu shot?
I am with you there. I consider myself to be conservative...but I don't know why we took this as a political line that we shouldn't wear masks? I get some of the party thinking...but especially not the mask thing.
You haven't addressed ANY of my points in this entire thread, or once admitted when I've disproven your claims. Also, I don't care what the consensus of the general population is either, that doesn't make it right or wrong. Hell, what percent of the general population still think eggs are bad for your cholesterol? That doesn't make it right or true. As for me, you know nothing of my medical history, and if I can, can't, should, or shouldn't get the flu shot. And that's entirely irrelevant to whether or not it is a vaccine, which it is. Vaccine doesn't mean 100% effective. You said it's not a vaccine. It is. It's just not a perfect vaccine, as it doesn't vaccinate against every strain, so it sometimes is better than others.
It's honestly pushed me a lot further from the Republican party. I'm a registered Republican, but I identify as a libertarian. I'm more Right on economic issues and gun laws, but more left on drug legalization and equal rights for gay couples (but think private religion should be allowed to accept or deny whatever they want). But this whole mask lunacy has really soured me to the party as a whole. They claim to be patriots, to love their country, but they can't even be bothered to wear a mask for 30 minutes when they go shopping to help save lives of their fellow countrymen, and help get their country back to normal faster. It's crazy.
lol...we can agree, we both just like to argue!!!
Oh, I fully admit I enjoy debating/arguing haha!lol...we can agree, we both just like to argue!!!
my wife is mad at me so i picked you to argue with instead, at least i don't have to worry about sleeping on the couch arguing with you
it is much safer arguing with you than my wife....kinda like high school we fight then get up and are friends again-my wife is not so forgiving, lol.
Exactly. You don’t have to buy me dinner or expensive jewelry to get me to stop being mad at you lol.
They can set pricing, but really they do that by artificially controlling supply. If they all stick to their production quotas, they all benefit. But if you over produce a little and no one else does, you make more money by benefiting from the lower supply keeping the marginal pricing high, while depressing pricing for everyone else.
I hear you. Honestly, I think it is kind of the allure of Trump for a lot of Republicans. He isn't a career politician and of course we hoped he may have had more impact draining the swamp.
Haha, smart man. You remind me of one of my best friends of all time. I met him as a child and he stayed the most loyal friend I had for his entire life until he passed in his early 30s. When he passed his brother and I were talking and he said, "Man, the thing that really stuck out to me after he died was just how many people would come to me and talk about him and they would say, 'I hated Mike. I mean, I REALLY couldn't stand him. And then one day we finally got in an actual fist fight and just beat on each other. And from that day forward, we became the best of friends.'"
lol...fighting was a way of life back then, if you couldn't fight and then be friends you weren't going to have many friends---great story and sorry for your loss...i've lost almost all of my friends from growing up---drugs/alcohol and violence. as we got older instead of fists, guns!!!
Does you a** ever get jealous of the s**t that comes out of your mouth? Nearly 10,000 people in the US died in the last month from COVID, despite distancing, masks, and some closures. How is that “back to normal?”
Was his post for real??? I honestly thought it was sarcasm
This sounds really sarcastic...
it has to be sarcasm if he thinks trump will be times man of the year, lol.This sounds really sarcastic...
I hope so. I've read some of his other posts, and this isn't that much further than some of them.Was his post for real??? I honestly thought it was sarcasm
See, not sarcasm guys. Did you read ANY of my posts ITT? Up to 45% of the population has what you call "health conditions," and 1 in 5 people aged 20-29 does too.
it has to be sarcasm if he thinks trump will be times man of the year, lol.
that would be like saying cnn asked biden a legitimate question.
This sounds really sarcastic...
Looks like it wasn't sarcasm guys. Nice of you to give him the benefit of the doubt though.Was his post for real??? I honestly thought it was sarcasm
my wife isn't mad at me anymore, life is good!!!
If you PM me your address I will send you a calculator.
Yeah, and how do you think hospitals get overwhelmed? With more cases. And considering that we have more cases now in many areas than when we first enacted the lockdowns, please tell me how that makes now a good time to return to normal. Also, please address ANY of the other points I made explaining why you’re objectively incorrect on almost everything you say. You’re so dumb that multiple people here thought you were being sarcastic, because they didn’t think anyone could actually be that moronic in sincerity.
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What are you on about man. You expect me to find you in real life to tell you I disagree with you on an online forum? What a waste of time. What is to be gained by this? Flexing your muscles with thinly veiled threats?
