Androgin vs anabolic effect

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It's really gonna be impossible to tell since one is completely new and will have zero feedback or reviews. For me, that makes it an easy decision to suggest Anabolic Effect as it has tons and tons of feedback here and other places and nearly unanimously positive. I personally have used AE 4 times now and loved each run (especially as a pct boost).
 
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Hard to compare .. 2 diff products .. i see both getting good reviews

know plenty of people who have ran AE with amazing results .. no bad sides and like booneman stated .. pple have used it in PCT with great results which just speaks volume of the product
 
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Can't go wrong either way but if you had to choose one I would probably pick up AE. If funds allow I would get both and run each solo to see how they treat you.
 

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I have never use androgin, but I have originally bought 3 bottles of AE, I am in the middle of my second bottle and I ordered another 3 bottles to increase my run with it. I can comment on the mass gain since I am cutting right now, but for endurance, workload capacity, this blow cordyceps, and beta alanine.
 
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I have never use androgin, but I have originally bought 3 bottles of AE, I am in the middle of my second bottle and I ordered another 3 bottles to increase my run with it. I can comment on the mass gain since I am cutting right now, but for endurance, workload capacity, this blow cordyceps, and beta alanine.
That's great to hear that you're having such great success with it. I'm getting ready to start at least a 16 week run of it myself. I had meant to already start but I had a pending eye procedure so I wanted to get that out of the way first.
 
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I've used both. Would definitely recommend Anabolic Effect. Have run it several times and will be running it again in the future. Will not be repurchasing Androgin. Everyone responds differently, so just my 2 cents.
yea I didnt respond too well to androgin, I did 3 weeks and it gave me sme sides and just slight pumps during workouts; really werent any strength gains. Anabolic Effect I've taken and didn't see much compared to Vector which is the same with except AE has more ingredients. Im keen to see the new anabolic from SNS though.
 

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I have never use androgin, but I have originally bought 3 bottles of AE, I am in the middle of my second bottle and I ordered another 3 bottles to increase my run with it. I can comment on the mass gain since I am cutting right now, but for endurance, workload capacity, this blow cordyceps, and beta alanine.
Forgot to say that he shilajit also boost my mood and concentration, added bonus here.
 
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wow nice too see so many people chiming in with thoughts on both... seems theres a pretty heavy lean towards Anabolic Effect from the comments. I didn't realize so many had already run androgin (I had to actually look it up myself since it was new haha)
 
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I have tried both Anabolic Effect and Androgin They are both great products I had amazing gains with both. I took Androgin stacked with Dermacrine for two solid months I gained 10 lbs not sure if it's 100% muscle but I feel very strong and my coworkers have been commenting that I look more muscular
 
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I have tried both Anabolic Effect and Androgin They are both great products I had amazing gains with both. I took Androgin stacked with Dermacrine for two solid months I gained 10 lbs not sure if it's 100% muscle but I feel very strong and my coworkers have been commenting that I look more muscular
I mean it aint that hard to gain 10lbs in 2 months; just gotta eat more......
Yeah, but 100% muscle.. That would be a good result with any gear in 2 months..
 

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yea I didnt respond too well to androgin, I did 3 weeks and it gave me sme sides and just slight pumps during workouts; really werent any strength gains. Anabolic Effect I've taken and didn't see much compared to Vector which is the same with except AE has more ingredients. Im keen to see the new anabolic from SNS though.
Same as me. AE was good, Vector was outstanding, dont know why because AE has the same ingredients and more...

Going to use Androgin after summer. Will see....
 
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yea I didnt respond too well to androgin, I did 3 weeks and it gave me sme sides and just slight pumps during workouts; really werent any strength gains. Anabolic Effect I've taken and didn't see much compared to Vector which is the same with except AE has more ingredients. Im keen to see the new anabolic from SNS though.
curious on the sides ? like what you usually get from sarms/anabolic

i ran vector and really enjoyed it but felt AE gave what vector offered plus more .. but first time i took vector in around 4-5weeks i remember my stamina/endurance was amazing and AE i felt that kicked in earlier ..both great products, we all just react differently to compounds i guess
 
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curious on the sides ? like what you usually get from sarms/anabolic

i ran vector and really enjoyed it but felt AE gave what vector offered plus more .. but first time i took vector in around 4-5weeks i remember my stamina/endurance was amazing and AE i felt that kicked in earlier ..both great products, we all just react differently to compounds i guess
Yeah, that is odd in regards to the different reaction to Vector and AE as the main ingridients are the same (+ AE having a few more and double the amount in Korean mistletoe). I thought my different response to them was placebo or just due to different timing, but I guess not. I felt like I got more energy and increased swetting from Vector and more strenght and performance enhancement from AE.
 
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curious on the sides ? like what you usually get from sarms/anabolic

i ran vector and really enjoyed it but felt AE gave what vector offered plus more .. but first time i took vector in around 4-5weeks i remember my stamina/endurance was amazing and AE i felt that kicked in earlier ..both great products, we all just react differently to compounds i guess
Not a sarm or anabolic side. Just lethargy and my heart would get racey.
 

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FWIW, I'm 62, male and I'm only looking for strength gains. Believe it or not, I can still gain strength at my age. I got absolutely nothing out of Anabolic Effect and Vector. This was much to my surprise and disappointment because I really liked the ingredient profiles, especially AE. I'm sure it was just me. However, I did get wonderful results with both Androgin and Follidrone 2.0 (taken at different times). I always try things out by themselves to better gauge my response to just that product. Those last two had my lifts going up in weight and my muscles were feeling and looking rock hard. This old dude was feeling like superman. I'm really looking forward to stacking them. Oh yeah, I'm sure most of you have noticed that I only have a few posts. That's because I've yet to chat with the good folks on here and only have posted things from my experiences, so far.
 
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Despite what BLR says I’d say Androgin hasn’t worked very well for people who’ve used it. Somehow it’s marketed as the best natural anabolic of 2021, go figure
Statement simply isnt true but to each their own
 
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I like androgin so far!
 
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I like androgin so far!
People having to have to dose 2.5x to feel its working. I guess we will see if its suppressive or not. People noting gyno is concerning obv some kind of estrogen receptor action. May very well not suppress if it mimics serm action. Appears most people note deeper
Sleep /REM. Better pumps. I had better pumps on salt, carbs n beet root. Also it is irrelevant of term “natural”. Most of these “natty” substances are all made in a lab. Outside of tested competitive circles technicality of being natty is just circle jerk of “proud natties”. There aint nothing natty about a over extracted lab compound that binds to
Androgen receptors. After all most AAS peoduction starts with cholesterol or progesterone.. i guess methandrostenolone is natty too.. mind you oxandrolone was given to kids in the past..
 
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Yeah, that is odd in regards to the different reaction to Vector and AE as the main ingridients are the same (+ AE having a few more and double the amount in Korean mistletoe). I thought my different response to them was placebo or just due to different timing, but I guess not. I felt like I got more energy and increased swetting from Vector and more strenght and performance enhancement from AE.
Are the ingredients the same though? Answer is in what's extracted.
 
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People having to have to dose 2.5x to feel its working. I guess we will see if its suppressive or not. People noting gyno is concerning obv some kind of estrogen receptor action. May very well not suppress if it mimics serm action. Appears most people note deeper
Sleep /REM. Better pumps. I had better pumps on salt, carbs n beet root. Also it is irrelevant of term “natural”. Most of these “natty” substances are all made in a lab. Outside of tested competitive circles technicality of being natty is just circle jerk of “proud natties”. There aint nothing natty about a over extracted lab compound that binds to
Androgen receptors. After all most AAS peoduction starts with cholesterol or progesterone.. i guess methandrostenolone is natty too.. mind you oxandrolone was given to kids in the past..
Only a few people electively decided to raise the dose. If you go look at the Androgin thread there are people taking the normal dose, and enjoying their run.
 
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Yeah, that is odd in regards to the different reaction to Vector and AE as the main ingridients are the same (+ AE having a few more and double the amount in Korean mistletoe). I thought my different response to them was placebo or just due to different timing, but I guess not. I felt like I got more energy and increased swetting from Vector and more strenght and performance enhancement from AE.
Are the ingredients the same though? Answer is in what's extracted.
I absolutely agree that the answer is in what's extracted.

I also agree with what you're implying with your question 'Are the ingredients the same though?' in that no, the ingredients aren't the same in Vector and Anabolic Effect. I think when Anabolic Effect was first released, some people were so quick to want to make it a company vs company thing that they didn't really think about it in the sense that in all major categories in this industry, there is ingredient overlap in products. Yes, they share three common ingredients but the dosage is different on one of them (Korean Mistletoe is 2,000 mg. in Anabolic Effect) and then Anabolic Effect also adds 4 other clinically researched branded ingredients on top of those.

And for the three ingredients that they do both contain, BLR doesn't know what ours is extracted for and we don't know what BLR's is extracted for; which is the same answer as pretty much any comparison between herbal ingredients that aren't branded or don't have their specific constituent profiles listed.

The intended results of Anabolic Effect are for lean muscle, strength, endurance, and performance so him saying that he got more energy and sweating from Vector and more strength and performance enhancement from Anabolic Effect lines right up with the intended results of Anabolic Effect; whereas the increased energy and sweating he said he got with Vector is not what Anabolic Effect is designed to do.


As for the thread in general, I've stayed clear of addressing any comparisons between Androgin and Anabolic Effect as well as any between Vector and Anabolic Effect. I've replied I think a couple of times telling people I was glad that they liked AE and got good results from it, but that's it; as I generally never speak badly about other companies products.

And I hope that after the pm conversation I had with Brundel a couple of months ago (and I sincerely mean that it was polite and professional, I didn't want anyone to read that and think it was negative in any way), I hope that he and I are both still on the same page that there's plenty of room in the market for both companies and that both of us, and our reps are to focus on our own products without saying anything negative towards the others.
 
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I absolutely agree that the answer is in what's extracted.

I also agree with what you're implying with your question 'Are the ingredients the same though?' in that no, the ingredients aren't the same in Vector and Anabolic Effect. I think when Anabolic Effect was first released, some people were so quick to want to make it a company vs company thing that they didn't really think about it in the sense that in all major categories in this industry, there is ingredient overlap in products. Yes, they share three common ingredients but the dosage is different on one of them (Korean Mistletoe is 2,000 mg. in Anabolic Effect) and then Anabolic Effect also adds 4 other clinically researched branded ingredients on top of those.

And for the three ingredients that they do both contain, BLR doesn't know what ours is extracted for and we don't know what BLR's is extracted for; which is the same answer as pretty much any comparison between herbal ingredients that aren't branded or don't have their specific constituent profiles listed.

The intended results of Anabolic Effect are for lean muscle, strength, endurance, and performance so him saying that he got more energy and sweating from Vector and more strength and performance enhancement from Anabolic Effect lines right up with the intended results of Anabolic Effect; whereas the increased energy and sweating he said he got with Vector is not what Anabolic Effect is designed to do.


As for the thread in general, I've stayed clear of addressing any comparisons between Androgin and Anabolic Effect as well as any between Vector and Anabolic Effect. I've replied I think a couple of times telling people I was glad that they liked AE and got good results from it, but that's it; as I generally never speak badly about other companies products.

And I hope that after the pm conversation I had with Brundel a couple of months ago (and I sincerely mean that it was polite and professional, I didn't want anyone to read that and think it was negative in any way), I hope that he and I are both still on the same page that there's plenty of room in the market for both companies and that both of us, and our reps are to focus on our own products without saying anything negative towards the others.
I wasn't attacking your brand by the way. But it seems like in this thread BLR products are being thrown under the bus. I was saying the two products are not the same. That's all.
 
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Despite what BLR says I’d say Androgin hasn’t worked very well for people who’ve used it. Somehow it’s marketed as the best natural anabolic of 2021, go figure
Despite what BLR says orrrr is it actually people who purchased Androgin that are leaving the positive reviews? Ill go with the latter considering BLR has an immense thread going with a lot of positive experiences, reviews and repurchases. To cap it off, BLR hasn’t given out or even needed to give out free bottles for the great reviews.
 
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I wasn't attacking your brand by the way. But it seems like in this thread BLR products are being thrown under the bus. I was saying the two products are not the same. That's all.
I understand. And I do really appreciate you posting to clarify that as well.

When I first read it, I did take it negatively - but that's probably because as you know, there was a history of it with certain other reps (not me and you). But I decided rather than post what I'd originally wrote out to take a few minutes and then reread it again and I realized how you meant it in that you were saying that they were different, and I agree with that.

That was one of the things in the past that always got me with certain reps (clarifying here - to your credit, I don't ever remember seeing you do that) is that they would continually try to compare them and say that one extract was better than the other and it would lead to unnecessary conflicts. When the reality was that I don't know the exact constituents of BLR's and BLR doesn't know the exact constituents of mine. And whether they're the same extract or close to the same extract or different entirely, that's okay as many customers enjoy both products.

And since I did almost take you wrong, that's why I wanted to make sure I mentioned my own posts in the thread so that you'd see that I didn't say anything negatively about yours either and that all I'd posted in the thread was just a time or two replying to people that liked AE was that I was glad that they enjoyed it.
 
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Since I very limited in terms of what I can do physically and have some health concerns, I am unwilling to increase steroid doses or incorporate oral AAS. Nonetheless, I still want to maximize my physique so natural anabolics have come to the forefront of my interest. That's why I've been popping in and out of the natural supplement threads a lot more lately haha. Just based on my understanding of the ingredients, research backing, dosages, and cost of materials, I feel like Anabolic Effect will be my go to in this effort. Yes, I am on a "low" dose of PEDs (to be forthright and candid) but after reading up on AE I think it can still have an addictive performance and physique enhancement that is noticeable without any detriment to my health. I'm just price shopping right now for the best deal. Seems like DPS has the best price after coupon code but the shipping time is a bit lengthy. I want my gains right meow!!!
 
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I am a fan of facts.
There are some stating that nobody likes Androgin. Lets look at the real statistics vs BS negative statements.
Presently Androgin is producing 71% of BLR total sales. That means its selling 300% of our entire line combined presently. And rising at a rate or 371%.
66% of these sales are coming from people who have bought the product and returned to buy more.

So........regardless of what some people here may say. Seems to be working just fine for THOUSANDS of other people.
Our issue isnt it not working, its keeping it in stock.
 

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Despite what BLR says orrrr is it actually people who purchased Androgin that are leaving the positive reviews? Ill go with the latter considering BLR has an immense thread going with a lot of positive experiences, reviews and repurchases. To cap it off, BLR hasn’t given out or even needed to give out free bottles for the great reviews.
I realize you're replying directly to a forum member with your first part. But his post you quoted said nothing about free bottles; so if the part about free bottles is directed at Anabolic Effect, I want to clarify that we don't give out free bottles for reviews.

In its product history, I only remember giving out Anabolic Effect free one time for someone to log and that was right when it first came out. A very well-known forum member that is very well respected for his unbiased logs and reviews asked us for some to do a log on and he clearly stated in his log that he asked us for it and that we gave it to him.

There are a lot of great logs and reviews on it; and one of the best ones was done by someone from a country that I really do wish I could figure out how to ship things to and get through their customs haha.
 
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Since I very limited in terms of what I can do physically and have some health concerns, I am unwilling to increase steroid doses or incorporate oral AAS. Nonetheless, I still want to maximize my physique so natural anabolics have come to the forefront of my interest. That's why I've been popping in and out of the natural supplement threads a lot more lately haha. Just based on my understanding of the ingredients, research backing, dosages, and cost of materials, I feel like Anabolic Effect will be my go to in this effort. Yes, I am on a "low" dose of PEDs (to be forthright and candid) but after reading up on AE I think it can still have an addictive performance and physique enhancement that is noticeable without any detriment to my health. I'm just price shopping right now for the best deal. Seems like DPS has the best price after coupon code but the shipping time is a bit lengthy. I want my gains right meow!!!
I'm really curious to see how well Anabolic Effect will work for you on the low dose PED's. That's one of the things that kind of excites me is to see how well it will work for someone that is on other things. Especially with your experience and how meticulous you are with your diet and training.
 
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I'm really curious to see how well Anabolic Effect will work for you on the low dose PED's. That's one of the things that kind of excites me is to see how well it will work for someone that is on other things. Especially with your experience and how meticulous you are with your diet and training.
Thanks! That is the one good thing about my situation. It has made me better in all other facets of the lifestyle as I have to make the absolute most with what I have so I'm hoping (and confident) that this might give me a slight edge. And honestly, it's kind of fun to crack into the natty supps again. It brings me back to the good old days when things were simpler, exciting, and hopeful for progress. Nostalgic even lol
 
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Thanks! That is the one good thing about my situation. It has made me better in all other facets of the lifestyle as I have to make the absolute most with what I have so I'm hoping (and confident) that this might give me a slight edge. And honestly, it's kind of fun to crack into the natty supps again. It brings me back to the good old days when things were simpler, exciting, and hopeful for progress. Nostalgic even lol
Have you incorporated injectable L Carnitine yet? If not, recommend it, it can enhance your TRT dose of testosterone via increasing androgen receptor density.
 
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I am a fan of facts.
There are some stating that nobody likes Androgin. Lets look at the real statistics vs BS negative statements.
Presently Androgin is producing 71% of BLR total sales. That means its selling 300% of our entire line combined presently. And rising at a rate or 371%.
66% of these sales are coming from people who have bought the product and returned to buy more.

So........regardless of what some people here may say. Seems to be working just fine for THOUSANDS of other people.
Our issue isnt it not working, its keeping it in stock.
I want to offer some encouragement on something; and I mean this absolutely sincerely.

I hope you don't mind me letting it be publicly known that just because some of our reps may have gotten on the others nerves years ago doesn't mean we dislike each other; and that our one on one communication has been polite and cordial. I just wanted to clarify that so that anyone reading would realize I was being sincere.

I haven't seen where anyone is saying that no one likes Androgin; but I have seen the posts in this thread and others with opinions that maybe some people don't. And I know first hand that all it takes is seeing a couple of things like that to make you feel like you and your product are under attack.

It used to drive me nuts when stuff like that would happen, and it still bothers me some, but not as much as it used to. Because I've realized that no matter what you, I, or anyone else offers - there's a 99.9999% likelihood that we will never offer anything that works for absolutely everyone. And that's okay, because I know some people that didn't even respond well to certain ph's that were considered the best of the best back in the old days.

Years ago, even in this thread, I would have felt like I needed to reply to everyone that said they didn't like Anabolic Effect or liked something else better. Now days, instead of addressing that, I think the only posts I posted in this thread were just telling the people that did like Anabolic Effect that I was glad that they were happy with it.

Here's one you'll get a kick out of on my end - I got nit picked within the last 2 weeks because I list Titanium Dioxide on the product labels, as in - Capsule Shell (Vegetable Cellulose, Titanium Dioxide. There person made a series of posts trying to argue with me about how bad it was that I added to the capsule. For anyone reading, I know Brundel right off the bat knows the comedy in this, but Titanium Dioxide is not added by me or any other company - it is the FDA approved ingredient in a capsule shell that makes the capsule shell white and is also in 99% of all toothpastes available haha.


My post has nothing to do with business, products, nor people's perceptions to his Androgin product; I'm just simply offering encouragement from one company owner to another from the human perspective.
 
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Have you incorporated injectable L Carnitine yet? If not, recommend it, it can enhance your TRT dose of testosterone via increasing androgen receptor density.
I've considered it but have heard mixed reviews about it. Some saying it is beneficial, while others saying it is negligible. Tbh I likely won't pursue it just for the fact that I am quite tired of pinning myself and want to minimize the amount of injections. Appreciate the input! Just out of curiosity have you tried it?
 
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I've considered it but have heard mixed reviews about it. Some saying it is beneficial, while others saying it is negligible. Tbh I likely won't pursue it just for the fact that I am quite tired of pinning myself and want to minimize the amount of injections. Appreciate the input! Just out of curiosity have you tried it?
Using it now, and it doesn't make a PED style difference, but, I can tell a difference between being on it, and when I wasn't. Can eat more carbs, and have less fat accumulation. You could do the oral LCLT route, and take 4 to 6g a day with your highest carb meal, and you can get similar benefits that way. I understand pinning fatigue.
 
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I realize you're replying directly to a forum member with your first part. But his post you quoted said nothing about free bottles; so if the part about free bottles is directed at Anabolic Effect, I want to clarify that we don't give out free bottles for reviews.

In its product history, I only remember giving out Anabolic Effect free one time for someone to log and that was right when it first came out. A very well-known forum member that is very well respected for his unbiased logs and reviews asked us for some to do a log on and he clearly stated in his log that he asked us for it and that we gave it to him.

There are a lot of great logs and reviews on it; and one of the best ones was done by someone from a country that I really do wish I could figure out how to ship things to and get through their customs haha.
Hey man the only reason I mentioned free bottles was simply because some people would say the reviews BLR was getting on Androgin were due to giving out free bottles had that been the case but we have given out zero free bottles so I wanted to nip that in the butt before someone tried to reply with that statement.

Literally had nothing to do with AE and to be completely honest with you, I had zero clue if yall ever gave out free bottles or not.

I don’t bash other companies products as it’s not my style and was only replying based on what I know with regards to BLR product.
 
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Hey man the only reason I mentioned free bottles was simply because some people would say the reviews BLR was getting on Androgin were due to giving out free bottles had that been the case but we have given out zero free bottles so I wanted to nip that in the butt before someone tried to reply with that statement.

Literally had nothing to do with AE and to be completely honest with you, I had zero clue if yall ever gave out free bottles or not.

I don’t bash other companies products as it’s not my style and was only replying based on what I know with regards to BLR product.
Thank you for clarifying. That's why I was confused because I've never seen you bash us, or any other company that I can remember. And in the past when there were a couple of other BLR reps that did it regularly, I never saw you do it or get involved in it and I always appreciated that. I hope that those days are behind all of us now :)

I hadn't seen anyone saying that the only reason you were getting good reviews was because you were giving out free bottles; so I wasn't sure where that came from. Makes sense now if people have been saying that.

I just wanted to clarify that we hadn't given out free bottles for reviews either, so we're both on the same page about that.

Thank you for professionalism and explaining; this way everyone reading is clear can't take it the wrong way either. I appreciate that.
 
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Part of it is people posting things that are untrue.
For example boonman77- It's really gonna be impossible to tell since one is completely new and will have zero feedback or reviews.
and then -Despite what BLR says I’d say Androgin hasn’t worked very well for people who’ve used it.

Here are just a few from this forum. There are a dozens of pages more so lets not get carried away making false statements.

-Day 9: Still sleeping good and waking up feeling great. I would have to say that the muscle fullness is more pronounced as the days go by. I seem to be waking up, taking a dose and noticing fullness/pumped feeling first thing in the morning. Also to note...I'm definitely noticing some increase in erection quality. Similar to a low dose tadalafil or when I took high doses of Panax.


-Starting to feel a bit stronger during my morning fasted workouts
Sleep has been consistently incredible. It is very deep sleep. I feel very rested and refreshed in the mornings.

-Sleep is still awesome. I now have some added hunger that developed. I know others have experienced it early on. I still have the fullness/pumped feeling almost 24/7 now.

-Im just about to finish my first bottle... Pumps are gnarly and definitely feeling more solid ... its starting to work its magic ... I'm working out 3x a week full body and playing full court basketball for 4 hours a week atm.... eating alot lately also

-Still loving the deep sleep with the refreshed feeling when I wake up. Muscle fullness has increased. So far so good!

-Half way into my fourth week on Androgin. First 2 weeks I dosed 2 caps/day, am pre workout and pm with dinner. Been on 3 caps/day for the last week and a half adding an afternoon dose.
I'm getting the great sleep and heavy dreaming everyone else is reporting.
Also noticing body recomp, all day fullness and significant strength increase. Mind muscle connection a bit stronger as well.
Around day 7 or 8 I had an insane libido and random erections throughout the day. This lasted for 2 days before things returned to baseline.
Fwiw I'm 47 years old, natty almost 30 years training. Strength increases across all exercises out of the blue aren't the norm for me anymore so this supplement is definitely having a noticeable effect.
Mood is good, feel a good energy throughout the day. Seems to decrease the need for coffee. A couple cups before my training and then nothing else the rest of the day.
Felt it might have been getting a bit of anxiety/short fuse a few weeks in but cutting back the caffeine intake seemed to solve that.
About to get into bottle #2. Really enjoying this so far.

-3 weeks on and feeling muscle fullness and muscles just feel hard, maybe Doms, maybe from working out harder. Diet same, workouts same just feels like I am contracting harder more mind muscle connection

-Strength is going up. Vascularity is up. General mood seems elevated. Very positive and motivated. Like someone else noted...I don't need as much caffeine anymore.

-Most noticeable thing for me continues to be the improved sleep quality. Like everyone else I’m sleeping very well and dreaming every night since starting. Actually having a bit of a hard time waking as early in the morning as I usually do. However once I do I’m good to go. Very little, if any, grogginess which seems to shake off within a few minutes. Workouts have been very solid for the most part while eating at or slightly below maintenance. Not noticing much extra as far as pumps go but strength is hanging steady while continuing to slowly decrease weight. Currently down about 5 pounds since starting. Also noticing an uptick in energy levels which has diminished that afternoon crash. So overall fantastic sleep, strength holding steady even while at a deficit, and prolonged energy levels throughout the day. Particularly looking forward to seeing how the next few weeks play out since this stuff should definitely be starting to shine going into my 6th week.

-Im absolutely loving the product. I have had much improved sleep since the start. Next, I started to notice the pumps in the third week. Now, I’m in my sixth and the strength gains r there for sure! Just bought another bottle! Also, I never doubted this product, just figured it would take sometime to really kick in

-Im 1.5 weeks in and feeling like I did back in college. Sleep, vitality, everything. I really want to see more labs done on this stuff to be honest and am a tad bit nervous. I know earlier on in the thread it was said there’s no suppression, but you know that feeling when you’re “on” something - early innings for sure, but I’ll be amazed if this trajectory keeps up for me and there isn’t any suppression

-After two weeks...
Slight weight increase 94.2 up from 93.6.
Hungry as fk, similar effect to MK677
Up to 3200-3400 net cals (was 2700 prev) but a bit leaner, upper abs showing
Less watery esp after a big meal
Strength increase in chest (up to 50kg dumbbells for chest press, from 46), and stiff legged DL (repping 95 up from 80, same no of reps) Bi tri and quad unchanged, squats and regular DL unchanged as yet. But hey, it’s only two weeks. Will touch base again in another 2!


-I'm a believer. Almost done with my first bottle at 2 caps a day. Bench has gone up considerably, looking a bit fuller. Only side to report has been pretty frequent nightmares, could be linked to stress at my new job. Otherwise enjoying my run.
 
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Part of it is people posting things that are untrue.
For example boonman77- It's really gonna be impossible to tell since one is completely new and will have zero feedback or reviews.
and then -Despite what BLR says I’d say Androgin hasn’t worked very well for people who’ve used it.
I want to clarify that Booneman77 said the first part of that but he did NOT say the second part of that. Maybe you looked at the posts wrong, or maybe you wrote it wrong, but the way you wrote it, it appears that you're saying he made both statements and that isn't the case. And I don't think he meant that there wasn't feedback in your product thread; I think what he meant was that there haven't been many log type reviews outside of the thread yet; which makes sense given that its a newer product. So if he wasn't following the product thread, as he probably shouldn't be since he's a rep, then he wouldn't have seen the ones in there.

I just read back up through the posts and it seems like he also pretty much confirmed that himself in post # 11 when he said:
wow nice too see so many people chiming in with thoughts on both... seems theres a pretty heavy lean towards Anabolic Effect from the comments. I didn't realize so many had already run androgin (I had to actually look it up myself since it was new haha)

^^^ There he literally says that it was nice to see people chiming in with thoughts on BOTH. And both products had received positive feedback at that point in the thread. And acknowledges he really hadn't looked at Androgin yet or realized that so many people had run it. And I do believe him bc he's been apologetic to me for his lack of posting ever since back in the fall and hasn't been on the forums nearly as much as he used to be.

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The second part was said by a non-rep forum member (wfreiling). From what I've seen, he seems to be a well liked and well respected forum member and has been here for years. Unless I've missed something, I don't know that he's affiliated with anyone or promotes any particular brand.

^^^ If there's a prior history there and/or if it spilled over from somewhere else, I'm not familiar with it bc I don't really pay a lot of attention to other companies threads.

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There is also some context missing to some of these posts that you may not know about.

Several weeks ago in this thread there was someone that came into the thread basically just trying to start arguments. Those posts got removed; so some of what you're seeing above, and don't hold me to this, but I believe maybe even wfreiling's were in response to some of those comments.

I'm just explaining that bc some of the people's comments in the thread now may look random but were actually in reply to posts that aren't there now.

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I don't like comparison threads in general because it always puts companies in a tough spot and someone usually winds up upset. But they're hard to avoid from the customer perspective bc its natural for people to ask those types of questions whether it be out of curiosity or if they're trying to decide which product to use.

That's why my stance in threads like this is to generally do what I did and say something positive to the people that enjoyed ours and tell them I'm happy that they enjoyed it and not really express much of an opinion or say anything else otherwise and just let people express and discuss their opinions.

There have been people in this thread that have liked one or the other better and then some that liked neither. There have been a few things that have been said about AE in this thread that I wish hadn't been said, just like there have been some about Androgin that you wish hadn't been said.


I was just personally trying to encourage you to not let stuff bother you as bad (just as I've had other company owners encourage me the same way); I know first hand it can drive you nuts. Like that above example I wrote about the guy nit picking me over the Titanium Dioxide in white capsules. I get maybe asking the question but it kept going even after I explained that it was what made the capsule white lol.

Hopefully everyone can peacefully coexist now and have a great week.
 
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Despite what BLR says orrrr is it actually people who purchased Androgin that are leaving the positive reviews? Ill go with the latter considering BLR has an immense thread going with a lot of positive experiences, reviews and repurchases. To cap it off, BLR hasn’t given out or even needed to give out free bottles for the great reviews.
All I’m saying is to give people the false hope that it’s the best natural anabolic is a little premature. Yes, there’s positive feedback but there is not one log where someone has even completed a full run of this. Maybe it will be great and honestly I hope it is because it would be great to have more solid products on the market. I’m just having a hard time buying into the hype. I’m only one person so at the end of the day it doesn’t even matter. Hopefully, in the coming months there will be some respected members who aren’t affiliated logging Androgin and it will prove to be “the best” but I’m sorry the owner of the company throwing on 26lb isn’t really making me a believer. Again, I hope it’s awesome but this is my opinion just like you have yours.
 
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All I’m saying is to give people the false hope that it’s the best natural anabolic is a little premature. Yes, there’s positive feedback but there is not one log where someone has even completed a full run of this. Maybe it will be great and honestly I hope it is because it would be great to have more solid products on the market. I’m just having a hard time buying into the hype. I’m only one person so at the end of the day it doesn’t even matter. Hopefully, in the coming months there will be some respected members who aren’t affiliated logging Androgin and it will prove to be “the best” but I’m sorry the owner of the company throwing on 26lb isn’t really making me a believer. Again, I hope it’s awesome but this is my opinion just like you have yours.
Keep in mind though that it is a companies job to sell their products. Every company does that on here, you see it all over amazon, all over supp store pages “Strongest test booster on the market!!”, “Best absorbing magnesium supplement ever made!” etc etc. You will never see a successful company say “Hey we have this product, it could be good, it might suck idk. We poured a ton of R&D time into it but you know maybe try it maybe dont.” No that’s not how selling products works.

Anytime you have a successful company it is because they have marketed and advertised well and presented their products in a way that appeals to the consumer.

Now like you said, everyone has their opinions and some people will buy products while others dont. Brundel was transparent that he took Androgin coming back from a layoff from the gym and being sick and where he had previously been before. Is every person going to be in the same situation and put on that much weight? No of course not but he would be doing a huge disservice to himself and his company if he didn’t make known the success he has had.

I think people on here seem to forget these companies are in the business to sell products, not put out a bland vanilla plain marketing scheme and praying to a higher power that it sells. If you want to see over the top marketing which blows any other company on here away, look up the olds USP Labs marketing. Where they market mucuna pruriens as the second coming of swoleness. THAT was over the top.
 
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Keep in mind though that it is a companies job to sell their products. Every company does that on here, you see it all over amazon, all over supp store pages “Strongest test booster on the market!!”, “Best absorbing magnesium supplement ever made!” etc etc. You will never see a successful company say “Hey we have this product, it could be good, it might suck idk. We poured a ton of R&D time into it but you know maybe try it maybe dont.” No that’s not how selling products works.

Anytime you have a successful company it is because they have marketed and advertised well and presented their products in a way that appeals to the consumer.

Now like you said, everyone has their opinions and some people will buy products while others dont. Brundel was transparent that he took Androgin coming back from a layoff from the gym and being sick and where he had previously been before. Is every person going to be in the same situation and put on that much weight? No of course not but he would be doing a huge disservice to himself and his company if he didn’t make known the success he has had.

I think people on here seem to forget these companies are in the business to sell products, not put out a bland vanilla plain marketing scheme and praying to a higher power that it sells. If you want to see over the top marketing which blows any other company on here away, look up the olds USP Labs marketing. Where they market mucuna pruriens as the second coming of swoleness. THAT was over the top.
I get that. I understand the business side of it too. I’m just ready to see the real world results. Best of luck to yous. Hell maybe down the line I’ll try it for myself.
 

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Are these two products considered hormonal? Based on bloodwork, do they have any effect on testosterone or estrogen levels?
 
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i wanna see full lipid panel before and after, liver enzymes, CBC, CMP, LH, FSH, SHBG, test, free, estrogen?? where are the labs?
 
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Are these two products considered hormonal? Based on bloodwork, do they have any effect on testosterone or estrogen levels?
I can't answer for BLR but they have a thread on theirs that you can go to and it has some answers and discussion there on this topic.

Anabolic Effect is a natural anabolic muscle builder that contains 7 high end active ingredients including 4 clinically researched licensed branded ingredients. If you're asking in the sense if its hormonal like a prohormone, no it isn't. Any effect on hormone levels would be helping to optimize your own natural testosterone levels which is something for example that PrimaVie, one of the active ingredients in AE, has been shown to do. It does NOT require a PCT and many people use it in their PCT's.

Here is a link to a good review by a very well respected natural bodybuilder on here:


Here is also a link to the Anabolic Effect write up if you want to check it out:


Here's the link to the Anabolic Effect master thread:

 

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