When are the upgrades of BLR products coming?
Are we expecting massive changes to the current line?
Are we expecting massive changes to the current line?
He’s not real sure yet. Several things in the works, as he was saying before with his other companies but the BLR changes will just be improvements - not drastic changes. I’m sure once he gets to that point, he will share more details!When are the upgrades of BLR products coming?
Are we expecting massive changes to the current line?
Super interested in new stims.You have never met Nicholas Flamel?
Shameful.
Philosophers stone is the present name of a company created by myself and the owner of Antaeus.
We have a laundry list of ingredients only used by us. Some of them are exceptional.
We will be offering these to other companies as raw materials. Think along the lines of Chromadex or compound solutions or the like.
Neotek is a company also created by us. This will specifically be built around the new stimulant we patented and some other....interesting stimulant and nootropics. The stimulant is very good. Better than caffeine in every perceivable way.
Amazing focus
Long half life. When caffeine gives you a crash this stuff is still at full steam, but, interestingly it doesnt seem to effect sleep as much as some other stims.
0 Crash. Absolutely none.
POWERFUL. THis isnt some candy ass excuse for a stim. Its full throttle (*&!@#
I took some this morning and I am firing on all cylinders. Dominates caffeine.
Finally.....Look at all the crappy psuedo stims out there presently.
Dynamine -They suggest 50mg but it doesnt work AT ALL at 50mg. And at 150 it just gives you a rapid crash. Tastes like death.
Teacrine? is this even a stimulant? Doesnt feel like one. Tastes even worse than dynamine.
What about ampiberry and all that stuff. Does it even work?......Its not a stimulant I am aware of.
Something is coming.......
Tried one of the stims and would recommend 10/10Super interested in new stims.
and of course Ampiberry works, what else would take up that logo space on the front of the label?
Yeah but will it stack up to dmaa or dmha? Be awesome if it does. I’m sure dmha will be on it’s way out at some point just like dmaA.You have never met Nicholas Flamel?
Shameful.
Philosophers stone is the present name of a company created by myself and the owner of Antaeus.
We have a laundry list of ingredients only used by us. Some of them are exceptional.
We will be offering these to other companies as raw materials. Think along the lines of Chromadex or compound solutions or the like.
Neotek is a company also created by us. This will specifically be built around the new stimulant we patented and some other....interesting stimulant and nootropics. The stimulant is very good. Better than caffeine in every perceivable way.
Amazing focus
Long half life. When caffeine gives you a crash this stuff is still at full steam, but, interestingly it doesnt seem to effect sleep as much as some other stims.
0 Crash. Absolutely none.
POWERFUL. THis isnt some candy ass excuse for a stim. Its full throttle (*&!@#
I took some this morning and I am firing on all cylinders. Dominates caffeine.
Finally.....Look at all the crappy psuedo stims out there presently.
Dynamine -They suggest 50mg but it doesnt work AT ALL at 50mg. And at 150 it just gives you a rapid crash. Tastes like death.
Teacrine? is this even a stimulant? Doesnt feel like one. Tastes even worse than dynamine.
What about ampiberry and all that stuff. Does it even work?......Its not a stimulant I am aware of.
Something is coming.......
I'm surprised people still use dmaa that **** crazyYeah but will it stack up to dmaa or dmha? Be awesome if it does. I’m sure dmha will be on it’s way out at some point just like dmaA.
When you say (Because it shows that Androgin is not majorly suppressive) sounds like it could have minor to moderate suppression then, also out of all the testers for androgin why did only one have bloods done?For me this is a win.
Because it shows that Androgin is not majorly suppressive in spit of being majorly anabolic. Unless you are on TRT we would expect your levels to fluctuate under normal circumstances. Maybe Androgin played a role, maybe not but either way its not a massive difference.
On a side note it looks like you need TRT man. I dont know if you have used aas in the past but even 450 isnt good.
I feel absolutely terrible with my levels this low and I dont doubt you do as well.
Might want to talk to an endocrinologist. Most will put you on TRT with the 366 labs and a good one will at 450.
Better than DMHA and up there with old school DMAA for me.Yeah but will it stack up to dmaa or dmha? Be awesome if it does. I’m sure dmha will be on it’s way out at some point just like dmaA.
Shouldn’t be an issue stacking the two.Can I stack it with ArA pwo?
Multiple people have run Androgin and run labs and most everyone’s labs showed no suppression. The only person that showed any reduction in test levels in labs was also deep into a cut on low carbs and low cals and that can and will reduce hormone levels in everyone who isn’t assisted.When you say (Because it shows that Androgin is not majorly suppressive) sounds like it could have minor to moderate suppression then, also out of all the testers for androgin why did only one have bloods done?
the Multiple people that ran androgin were any of them on hrt or gear or were they all natural, where are all the labs posted? haven't seen any on display any where as proof,Multiple people have run Androgin and run labs and most everyone’s labs showed no suppression. The only person that showed any reduction in test levels in labs was also deep into a cut on low carbs and low cals and that can and will reduce hormone levels in everyone who isn’t assisted.
From what I saw they were natural. Especially the one whos test levels declined as he was many weeks into a cut. I know one of the labs was posted in the Androgin thread and the other lab was taken by an original tester of Androgin I believe which wasn’t posted on the forums here.the Multiple people that ran androgin were any of them on hrt or gear or were they all natural, where are all the labs posted? haven't seen any on display any where as proof,
One set of labs is posted around here somewhere. One of the Androgen threads. Maybe search the images.the Multiple people that ran androgin were any of them on hrt or gear or were they all natural, where are all the labs posted? haven't seen any on display any where as proof,
I want to add that cistanche is a potent I mean potent sexual performance enhancer which most should be pleased with!GHR-1
Consists of a standardized cistanch extract containing no less than 30% echinacoside with an average of 15% acteoside and 5% tubuloside -a in a cyclodextrin inclusion complex.
Echinacoside
Echinacoside is wonderful stuff. Like some of the ginsenosides ECH shows direct androgen receptor binding activity and anabolic action. And, like its ginsenoside counterparts it has the very strange action of elevating lutinizing hormone and testosterone in spite of being directly anabolic. ECH inhibits the negative feedback loop caused by testosterone which in turn increases testosterone further. Its like having a steroid that works at the androgen receptor but also largely increases testosterone potentially to much higher than normal levels when combined with the other SARMS in this mix. ECH has even been suggested for use as a novel male fertility agent similar to Clomephene.
ECH and growth hormone. We have seen that ginsenosides closely resemble anabolic hormones but ECH closely resembled Ghrelin and binds directly to the same receptor. This is the same way that GHRP6 works and in studies ECH was just about as potent as GHRP6 at increasing growth hormone levels. In short ECH is a natural GHRP and works as well as many of the growth hormone peptides we use in bodybuilding.
So, ECH is both a SARM and a GHRP analogue and works as a major fertility agent.
Acteoside cyclodextrin complex
ACT works very similarly to ECH with regards to growth hormone secretion and is nearly as strong on this front but it also strongly inhibits NF-KB one of the primary pathways for muscle atrophy so it preserves muscle gains.
Tubuloside-A cyclodextrin complex
TUB works on HGH levels similarly to ECH anc ACT but with modestly less binding affinity.
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BIO-X bioavailability complex
So you may be asking yourself why are ginsenosides not widely used if they are so great?And why do we not see massive use of Echinacoside if its a SARM and GHRP?
2 things. 1. These compounds in high98% standardized extracts are exceptionally expensive. upwards of 3000-4000$ per kilo. Epicatechin is 400$ per kilo. for comparison. 2. Bioavailability. Ginsenosides show variable oral bioavailability but overall it is low and Echinacoside with show a nearly 0 bioavailability without significant assistance. So we have had so work some considerable magic to make this work well orally. But...trade secrets
1. Cyclodextrins. All of the active ingredients are in a cyclodextrin inclusion complex.
2. Citrus bioflavanoids Nobiletin, tangeretin, hisperetin.
3. EGCG
4. Piperine
I wont go far into how and why this works partially because it took alot of work, time, effort and money to test and prove but also because most wont care. Needless to say we have figured out how to make something with basically no oral bioavailability have significant oral bioavailability.
The end result is something to behold and internal testing shows that this combination is easily on par with some chemical SARMs and GH peptides.
Presently there is nothing, I am absolutely certain, that compares to this.
Youll see
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I ran two bottles doing both ways. No difference. If u take it on an empty stomach and it messes you up then try it w food. Results should be the same tho honestly.Lastly, should I take this on an empty stomach, does it matter?
If you are wanting to get the amazing sleep from it then take the evening dose on an empty stomach an hour before sleep.I just received a bottle of Androgin, and I’m wondering when and how to stack with Viron, I usually take Viron in the morning on an empty stomach with my coffee. Lastly, should I take this on an empty stomach, does it matter?
I just bought Follidrone, how would you dose, Viron, Androgin and follidrone?If you are wanting to get the amazing sleep from it then take the evening dose on an empty stomach an hour before sleep.
The morning dose didn’t make much of a difference with or without food.
I would check with your governing body or whoever deals with that stuff. They can be pretty crazy about the stuff they ban.is androgin allowed for tested athletes would androgin be considered natty? thanks for any info
Follidrone: 1am 2 preworkout or flipped if you workout AM.I just bought Follidrone, how would you dose, Viron, Androgin and follidrone?
I guess all the stuff is natural in the supplement so its natty, was just wondering if it would give a false reading for a ghrp or a false reading for a random steroid because of the ginsenosides and the natural ghrp component ?I would check with your governing body or whoever deals with that stuff. They can be pretty crazy about the stuff they ban.
I mean I wouldn’t think so but I don’t have a ton of experience with those tests or anything like that so I can’t say with any type of definitive answer.I guess all the stuff is natural in the supplement so its natty, was just wondering if it would give a false reading for a ghrp or a false reading for a random steroid because of the ginsenosides and the natural ghrp component ?
Androgin is good to go for testingis androgin allowed for tested athletes would androgin be considered natty? thanks for any info
No ginsenosides are not regulated or banned and neither are the GH boosting compounds.I guess all the stuff is natural in the supplement so its natty, was just wondering if it would give a false reading for a ghrp or a false reading for a random steroid because of the ginsenosides and the natural ghrp component ?
Thats good to know its natural, trying to lift weights with a clear conscious these days and for health , but still be a bit hard core with supps lol, it seems like a Frankenstein concoction of a natural supplement and you are like the willy wonka of the supplement world.No ginsenosides are not regulated or banned and neither are the GH boosting compounds.
This is part of what makes Androgin so great.
100% based in nature/ no unapproved or rejected drugs. Nothing banned.
No sketchy research chems and no untested or fda rejected peptides.
No ginsenosides are not regulated or banned and neither are the GH boosting compounds.
This is part of what makes Androgin so great.
100% based in nature/ no unapproved or rejected drugs. Nothing banned.
No sketchy research chems and no untested or fda rejected pepti
does androgin allow you bodys on natural testosterone to work along side it, would their be a synergy, or would andogin reduce natural testosterone's effect on muscles?No ginsenosides are not regulated or banned and neither are the GH boosting compounds.
This is part of what makes Androgin so great.
100% based in nature/ no unapproved or rejected drugs. Nothing banned.
No sketchy research chems and no untested or fda rejected peptides.
You can definitely dose rebirth to knock some of the estro out if you are sensitive.2 weeks in with Androgin, hunger is way up, strength is following incrementally too. I also noticed my estrogen is up? I’m cranky, a bit moody, it feels like my test and estrogen must be up…anyone felt that? I have a bottle of rebirth, should I dose that too? Thanks guys.
It definitely sounds like you are having a noticeable GH increase, and you are a great responder to Androgin. I’m happy for you!3 weeks of Androgin and I feel effin great! I’ve had these pains in various parts of my body, just old age I’m guessing and they’re all gone! I couldn’t even run without my feet killing me and now I’m able to go for runs. It has to be because of my GH going up and repairing? IDK but I know at 53 I’m back. Starting to deadlift again, back up to 385 and hoping to get back into the mid 400’s. Weird side note, since taking this I’ve had to cut my hair and my nails more often, it has to be the GH increase. Correct me if I’m wrong
Cut your hair more often? You’ve been on 3 weeks How many times would you get it cut3 weeks of Androgin and I feel effin great! I’ve had these pains in various parts of my body, just old age I’m guessing and they’re all gone! I couldn’t even run without my feet killing me and now I’m able to go for runs. It has to be because of my GH going up and repairing? IDK but I know at 53 I’m back. Starting to deadlift again, back up to 385 and hoping to get back into the mid 400’s. Weird side note, since taking this I’ve had to cut my hair and my nails more often, it has to be the GH increase. Correct me if I’m wrong
I cut my nails twice a week, the hair I should have quoted grows faster but once every two weeks, I keep it shortCut your hair more often? You’ve been on 3 weeks How many times would you get it cut
Some say they respond better to Vector, and some say they respond better to Androgin. Pick one, and try one at a time. Whatever you try, try at least 2 bottles worth. RYAN15 will get you a discount!Okay, I am late to the party and have been wanting to try Vector, but is there any reason to try it or just go with Androgin? Any reason to take one over the other?
Follidrone is pretty sweet at helping the body recomp. I have not used them both together, however, I have used them each separately and they are the perfect compliments. I look full and hold a tad bit of water on androgin which helps pumps and strength and follidrone keeps things lean and adds to the pumps even more. Definitely lets us know if you try both and how it works out for you.So the general consensus so far is it is very good for body recomp?
I have been using Follidrone 2.0 and it has been unbelievably good, probably the best kept secret in natural supplements as far as I'm concerned (yes, I know it has been around for a while, shame on me lol) anyone who has used both for some comparison in that regard?!
good luck man, I haven’t tried Vector yet but as of now I’m sold on Androgin, I’ve been working out for over 30 years and I’ve taken every supplement under the sky, you probably remember back in the 90’s when creatine was the biggest thing ever and since then tons of supplements have come out, some good, some bad…but this Androgin is the best one I have ever taken in my life. Again it’s probably more due to my age where I’m deficient in GH.I am your age so I definitely can use that boost. I'm coming off some heart issues over the past year and have lost a lot of size. I'll give Vector a try for 2 bottles , then Androgin for 2 bottles. I'm sure I will be ready for summer at that point.
I'll give my body some time to get some strength and routine back and start BLR support in Feb.
Are you taking two per day?good luck man, I haven’t tried Vector yet but as of now I’m sold on Androgin, I’ve been working out for over 30 years and I’ve taken every supplement under the sky, you probably remember back in the 90’s when creatine was the biggest thing ever and since then tons of supplements have come out, some good, some bad…but this Androgin is the best one I have ever taken in my life. Again it’s probably more due to my age where I’m deficient in GH.
Yeah, one in the morning and one towards the eveningAre you taking two per day?
I wish but can't run both was actually thinking on now trying Androgin by itself as I am almost finishing Follidrone, but not sure about you guys but the endurance that the latter gives me is hard to not think about or ignore if I will be stopping it, seems almost unnatural lol best way to describe it (even if they would be equally beneficial in terms of assisting on a body recomp, which I believe they would, hell, even Vector from what I have been reading).Follidrone is pretty sweet at helping the body recomp. I have not used them both together, however, I have used them each separately and they are the perfect compliments. I look full and hold a tad bit of water on androgin which helps pumps and strength and follidrone keeps things lean and adds to the pumps even more. Definitely lets us know if you try both and how it works out for you.
Black Friday?Can we expect a sale soon?
Any updates on this?You have never met Nicholas Flamel?
Shameful.
Philosophers stone is the present name of a company created by myself and the owner of Antaeus.
We have a laundry list of ingredients only used by us. Some of them are exceptional.
We will be offering these to other companies as raw materials. Think along the lines of Chromadex or compound solutions or the like.
Neotek is a company also created by us. This will specifically be built around the new stimulant we patented and some other....interesting stimulant and nootropics. The stimulant is very good. Better than caffeine in every perceivable way.
Amazing focus
Long half life. When caffeine gives you a crash this stuff is still at full steam, but, interestingly it doesnt seem to effect sleep as much as some other stims.
0 Crash. Absolutely none.
POWERFUL. THis isnt some candy ass excuse for a stim. Its full throttle (*&!@#
I took some this morning and I am firing on all cylinders. Dominates caffeine.
Finally.....Look at all the crappy psuedo stims out there presently.
Dynamine -They suggest 50mg but it doesnt work AT ALL at 50mg. And at 150 it just gives you a rapid crash. Tastes like death.
Teacrine? is this even a stimulant? Doesnt feel like one. Tastes even worse than dynamine.
What about ampiberry and all that stuff. Does it even work?......Its not a stimulant I am aware of.
Something is coming.......
No. I dont know of too many people testing for gh peptides anyways.I guess all the stuff is natural in the supplement so its natty, was just wondering if it would give a false reading for a ghrp or a false reading for a random steroid because of the ginsenosides and the natural ghrp component ?
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