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AMS Anabolic Growth Kit RD- Packin on Pounds for P5sky

Im interested in seeing how this works.

Honestly if you have a SERM I would just go ahead and use it. I don't see why not. Thats just my opinion though, like GQ no matter what I use a SERM.
 
schwellington said:
This interests me even more- because nandrolone(deca) shuts people down- HARD

im on 400mg of inj deca and im sure im shut down- but if this converts to deca, and it isnt harsh on shutdown- well.....i may look into it----maybe
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It still shuts you down, I wouldnt compare decavol to 400mg's of injectable deca though. The sublingual conversion is really efficient but you can only get so much through the mucosal membrane at a time (direct to the bloodstream). So it's the best legal alternative.

This is from an article I wrote about sublinguals in general. And is in reference to 19-norandrostenediol, but it illustrates the point that the sublingual makes it the superior form of delivery and also gives a small comparison to an injectable.

The result shows 25mg’s of sublingual 19-Norandrostenediol not only significantly outperformed the oral encapsulation but it also resulted in pharmacologically active nandrolone blood levels equal to or greater than 100mg’s of intramuscular nandrolone decanoate. On top of that it elevated blood levels in as little as 30 minutes while it took 100mg’s of intramuscular nandrolone decanoate up to 30 hours.
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Royd The Noyd said:
It still shuts you down, I wouldnt compare decavol to 400mg's of injectable deca though. The sublingual conversion is really efficient but you can only get so much through the mucosal membrane at a time (direct to the bloodstream). So it's the best legal alternative.

This is from an article I wrote about sublinguals in general. And is in reference to 19-norandrostenediol, but it illustrates the point that the sublingual makes it the superior form of delivery and also gives a small comparison to an injectable.
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i remember reading that, anyway you can post up the full article here bro, i read it over at phf long time ago but couldnt find the old post there
 
Royd The Noyd said:
It still shuts you down, I wouldnt compare decavol to 400mg's of injectable deca though. The sublingual conversion is really efficient but you can only get so much through the mucosal membrane at a time (direct to the bloodstream). So it's the best legal alternative.
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This is from an article I wrote about sublinguals in general. And is in reference to 19-norandrostenediol, but it illustrates the point that the sublingual makes it the superior form of delivery and also gives a small comparison to an injectable.
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interesting indeed! thanks royd- this stuff does look good

i may buy like 6 boxes

use it in a future cycle to have some deca kicking in quick almost like npp but sublingual good stuff mos def going to continue to follow this log
 
p5sky said:
I do have a SERM on hand. I have seen several logs on these products and they have been mild in sides and suppression, most use AMS Arom-X as their main PCT product.

I may add in DAA in the last week of cycle and continue for 4 weeks, but I do wanna see how the AI stack performs without the outside influence.

Any other opinions on this topic?
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I've used the arom-x for my pct with all these but a lot of people like to keep a serm around just in case.
 
Grambo said:
Im interested in seeing how this works.

Honestly if you have a SERM I would just go ahead and use it. I don't see why not. Thats just my opinion though, like GQ no matter what I use a SERM.
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JOHNJESSICA20 said:
I've used the arom-x for my pct with all these but a lot of people like to keep a serm around just in case.
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Tough choice. I have Clomid, but I try to get away with OTC PCT when possible. I def use a SERM with SD, but I like that low-dosed or even pulse. I grow too fast and it is difficult to maintain.

I will monitor how I feel and decide later. I originally planned on NO serm based on previous logs, but I can always change my mind.

BTW, hunger is kicking in! Had a huge ribeye with my dad and I came home and had a 1/3lb patty for dessert. Hard to say if it will show on the scale as I increase tri training: swim/bike/run! I def see a difference and I feel the hardness.

DOMS are kicking in from squats, I may take tomorrow off but I do have a soccer clinic to run so I'll get some exercise there. I'll be ready for back on Thurs then chest/biceps on Friday.

Thanks for the opinions and feedback!
 
Grambo said:
What's your reasonings for trying to get away without a SERM when cycling?
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I guess ease of access. I have heard the AMS cycle is mild so thought I'd check it out.

As far as test boosters and AIs, I have several on hand, just wanted to get into the Swole Stack. Others in my stash: Purus Recycle, Titanium, T911, DAA, Erase, 6 Bromo.
 
2.3

Supps
2- 1AD
2- Decavol
2- 4AD


Back/Triceps
Pulldowns 1x212x4, 3x200x5. I increased the reps by 1, I will continue to add reps since it is so tough to pull the bar down and get settled at 212. Happy with the pulls! I have a narrow build so always need to work on the lats. Followed this with close grip for hi-rep, 15.
Skullcrushers 3x105x10, increased reps by 2 for each set. probably keep it at 105 for a while otherwise the elbow aches. Followed by DB overhead ext 3x85x10 and close grip bench for 3x145x8



Intensity/Focus- Real anxious to work out, I planned on taking the day off after the soccer clinic, but I had to go! Def focused but not much aggression. I just get relaxed between sets to get the next one UP

Pump- Triceps were huge and tight, got a good stretch afterwards. Did 2 sets of rope ext for 20 reps . . . . burns

Endurance- I guess I can say endurance is increasing, every wo seems to get easier as far as exhaustion. Trust me, I am working hard but I feel good after the wo. I think I am more tired between sets, esp since I am going pretty heavy on early sets, but I still want to keep going.

Strength- def picking up fast! Never even thought of going up to 200 in pulldowns . . . I am 174lbs, usually around 165-170 at low BF after tri training. Usually I get elbow issues as I go heavy on skullcrushers, never gone over 105. But each wo I have been upping wt and/or reps easily. I am sure the size will come too, gotta up my cals, esp carbs.

Lethargy- no issues yet, feel great post wo tonight. I was a little drained after school today: my long class sched followed by after-school soccer clinic. I am usually tired after Wed sched

Libido- still always ready to GO! Hopefully I get to take care of business, wife is always tired so I get the "No Go"
 
2.4

Supps
2- 1AD
2- Decavol
2- 4AD


Chest/Biceps
Flat Bench 3x225x8, havent done flat in a while so changed things up. I followed this with Hi-rep incline 3x135x15 and flys
DB Curls 3x45x12, followed by Hammer curls 3x35x15


Intensity/Focus- Kind of laid back when I got there, but was real anxious and alpha after each bench set. Nothing overwhelming, some supps I have gotten a lil on edge with douchebags slamming down there 30lb DBs . . . close to an "incident" once.

Pump- Biceps get full fast, it can be difficult to come to a full-tight contraction. Part of the problem is my short arms, so when they are flushed they look HUGE.

Endurance- hi-rep sets are starting to KILL. For some reason the 3rd set is easier than the 2nd . . . . who knows why? Energy is good, wo are going faster, I was surprised how quick I am finishing up with the doing similar routines.

Strength- changed the exercises so I will compare next time to flat bench, but I was happy with the 3x225x8. I dropped the curls by 5lbs, but increased reps so tough to gauge.

Lethargy- my boss noticed me dozing during a meeting. Happens a lot because I get that drop in energy/motivation after the kids are gone from class. I know I have done this before, but we'll see if it gets more pronounced

Libido- no bad . . . .no good to report
 
Tired! Is it the cycle causing the lethargy? Is it the intense workouts? Is it the daily sched with added activities (soccer clinic, bike, run) that is causing this?

I normally get up pretty quickly, the past 2 days I am EXHAUSTED. Today is a rest day and this weekend is a 3-dayer so maybe I will be rested for the reg weekly grind, we'll see how this goes.
 
1andro can cause some lethargy, however the 4ad should combat this.. you just started with the 4ad correct? if so, give it a bit and things should level out.
 
Yea that's one of the side from Andro .. Keep at it, add in maybe more carbs to combat the lethargy if that doesn't work, I'd throw in some dhea

Lethargy sucks .. I dealt with it once now I made dhea part of my every cycle and works beautifully
 
tattoopierced1 said:
1andro can cause some lethargy, however the 4ad should combat this.. you just started with the 4ad correct? if so, give it a bit and things should level out.
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GQNemesis said:
Yea that's one of the side from Andro .. Keep at it, add in maybe more carbs to combat the lethargy if that doesn't work, I'd throw in some dhea

Lethargy sucks .. I dealt with it once now I made dhea part of my every cycle and works beautifully
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Thanks guys! How are most affected by lethargy? Is it in the morning getting up OR hits you during the day?

Excited for leg day tomorrow, I dont know why cuz the DOMS kill me later. But any motivation is good for the workout.
 
GQNemesis said:
Yea that's one of the side from Andro .. Keep at it, add in maybe more carbs to combat the lethargy if that doesn't work, I'd throw in some dhea

Lethargy sucks .. I dealt with it once now I made dhea part of my every cycle and works beautifully
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DHEA at what dosage ?
 
p5sky said:
Thanks guys! How are most affected by lethargy? Is it in the morning getting up OR hits you during the day?

Excited for leg day tomorrow, I dont know why cuz the DOMS kill me later. But any motivation is good for the workout.
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Motivate with some good work out music -

I've read that DOMs is simply weakness leaving the body :)
 
scoooter said:
DHEA at what dosage ?
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Bump for this . . . .

Also, thinking of buying another AMS kit to continue the cycle for 2-4 more weeks. It is sad that I am already halfway through the cycle :( Anyone know who has the best price?
 
Day 13

Supps
2- 1AD
2- Decavol
2- 4AD


Shoulders planned on legs too but the rack was occupied. Works out fine since I am doing some tri training tomorrow: run & bike. I will get my squats in om Monday.

Mil Press 3x155x8, changed up from last hi-rep w/o (3x135x15)
SS lat raise/front raise 3x25x15
Uprt rows 3x35dbx15


Intensity/Focus- easygoing w/o, intense but not aggressive. I think I have a different attitude on weekends since I wasnt at work all day. Still intense and focused, really concentrated on lat raises for proper motion on the hi-rep

Pump- no real effect on shoulders, they burned and ached but no pump

Endurance- I feel I am getting tired on hi-rep sets because I went heavy before. Workouts are feeling good overall and I am hoping for gains in endurance. Later on in cycle I will mainly go with hi-rep routines

Strength- still climbing, got up 155x8 and it felt good on first 2 sets. I have done 185x4 while on epi cycle so I'll see if I can get that going agian

Lethargy- easy sched today so felt good. The big test will be Wed with work/soccer clinic/workout. Hopefully the 4AD will help out

Libido- waking up feeling GOOD!
 
scoooter said:
Motivate with some good work out music -

I've read that DOMs is simply weakness leaving the body :)
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Some Motivate and some Judas Priest "Screaming for Vengence" and I am ready for any workout.:aargh:
 
hmmm dhea converts to target hormones such as testosterone right?


dont know to much on dhea


i had lethargy once on SD and tried dhea- didnt work, im thinking next time i run test e injec. i will use sd and see ifi t combats the lethargy but yes lethargy sucks bad man


what are your total gains in mass so far?
 
schwellington said:
what are your total gains in mass so far?
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Thats a tough one overall. I am up about 5lbs but I am not on a strict bulk diet/routine. I am training for a triathlon in late Feb, but coming up in March my training time changes and it wouldnt be a good time for this cycle. I def notice a difference in my shirts . . . they are getting snug, sometimes too tight in the arms. My arms have gone from 15.75 to just under 16.0.

I will be increasing carbs esp as I up cardio. I am small-framed so any mass is noticeable, so a huge gain would be scary. But I def want to gain some mass while leaning out.
 
Day 15


Wt is about 175-176, so up from my starting wt of 170. I expect more over the course as early on I gained strength and hopefully the mass will follow. Also doing hi-rep and plenty of cardio (swim, bike, run) so that will effect the mass accumulation I am sure.

Supps
2- 1AD
2- Decavol
2- 4AD


Legs

Squats 5x245x5
thought of going hi rep but thought I'd test the strength gains. Followed with SLDL and leg curls.
Skullcrushers 3x85x15
dropped the wt and went hi-rep. I was pleased because I was doing 10-12 with the 25s on there, now jumped to 15 reps. Followed with Close grip bench and rope extensions.

Intensity/Focus- a mild day, like I said yesterday: I think I'm a little more amped after a day of work. Still motivated throughout the workout. PLUS, 2 fit girls in bikinis at the pool! Love SoCal winters! 85 degrees the past few days. One hopped out of the pool and did her curls and hip thrusts right there! I was MOTIVATED.

Pump- Nothing really today, even on triceps

Endurance- felt great today, seem to be adapting to hi-rep routines.

Strength- everything is getting easier, but I dont want to jump in wt to fast and get an injury. I know my PRs so those will be my guidelines. If I can break a PR that is great, but I am also doing hi-rep.

Lethargy- nothing noticeable over the weekend, and being off today makes it a lazy day anyways.

Libido- maybe a lil down, but busy and tiring weekend can have that effect too.
 
GQ here is the article you were asking about:

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/161916-sublingual-superiority.html

In regards to the serm decavol and 1-Andro can be pretty suppressive. I think guys just assume since these are not methylated they are easier on the hpta suppression. Probably not true. I mean they define a pharmacologically dose as one that suppresses natural testosterone. Read that article and you can see 1 dose of 19-norandrostenediol suppresses test! So it's safe to say that a cycle of the RD tabs are suppressive.
 
Tomorrow will probably be some HIIT training or a light run, 3-4 miles. I'll see how the legs respond and decide from there. Just dont wanna do deadlifts the day after squats, gotta let the hip flexors recover.
 
Royd The Noyd said:
GQ here is the article you were asking about:

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/161916-sublingual-superiority.html

In regards to the serm decavol and 1-Andro can be pretty suppressive. I think guys just assume since these are not methylated they are easier on the hpta suppression. Probably not true. I mean they define a pharmacologically dose as one that suppresses natural testosterone. Read that article and you can see 1 dose of 19-norandrostenediol suppresses test! So it's safe to say that a cycle of the RD tabs are suppressive.
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Nice thanks bro .. I'll check it out once I get home on my laptop

I agree, I don't buy into the whole methyl vs non methyl .. I've seen pple running tren for 8weeks their reason is it's safe Bc it's nonmethyl then they wonder why gets shut down
 
p5sky said:
Thanks guys! How are most affected by lethargy? Is it in the morning getting up OR hits you during the day?

Excited for leg day tomorrow, I dont know why cuz the DOMS kill me later. But any motivation is good for the workout.
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Lethargy usually hits during the day the worst .. Dhea dosed around 50-75mg on a cycle usually works

25mg caps .. 1morning after breakfast .. 2after lunch

But for you I would do maybe just 25 or 50mg the max since u have 4ad in there

Glad you are doing this for 6-8weeks .. Should be fun :):friday:
 
GQNemesis said:
Lethargy usually hits during the day the worst .. Dhea dosed around 50-75mg on a cycle usually works

25mg caps .. 1morning after breakfast .. 2after lunch

But for you I would do maybe just 25 or 50mg the max since u have 4ad in there

Glad you are doing this for 6-8weeks .. Should be fun :):friday:
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Thanks GQ, this will be helpful for many others too I am sure.
 
Now considering options for PCT. Originally planned on the Swole Stack, but since I am going to run this for 6-8 weeks I will definitely use a SERM, clomid. Should I also add in the Swole Stack or save it for a natty cycle in the spring?

Other PCT items on hand: Purus Labs Recycle, T-911, Titanium, Erase, 6-Bromo, Bulk DAA,

Maybe use the Clomid, Recycle, DAA, 6-Bromo . . . . any other opinions?
 
p5sky said:
Now considering options for PCT. Originally planned on the Swole Stack, but since I am going to run this for 6-8 weeks I will definitely use a SERM, clomid. Should I also add in the Swole Stack or save it for a natty cycle in the spring?

Other PCT items on hand: Purus Labs Recycle, T-911, Titanium, Erase, 6-Bromo, Bulk DAA,

Maybe use the Clomid, Recycle, DAA, 6-Bromo . . . . any other opinions?
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I would use the Clomid and then starting week 3 throw in the Stoked. I would save the TestoPRO and Glycobol for another time.
 
Day 17


Supps
2- 1AD
2- Decavol
2- 4AD


Back

Deadlifts 2x225x5 3x315x1
Lat Pulldowns 3x200x5 3x100x15


Intensity/Focus- left work with an edge . . . . had a conflict with some people and carried this anger into the gym. Great day to do deads!

Pump- Triceps get pumped when doing deads, I guess as I bring it up and lay back a bit my whole body is flexed

Endurance- Deads killed me, havent done them in a while. Then my forearms/grip was aching from the hi-rep pulldowns. Might have been able to work some more but NO GRIP left

Strength- Felt good on deads but nothing to compare to in a while. Pulldowns stayed constant from last w/o, but didnt do deads on last back day.

Lethargy- not noticeable today

Libido- not waking up as happy, could be many things so I will check the next few days
 
Day 18


Supps
2- 1AD
2- Decavol
2- 4AD

Chest/Biceps
Incline Bench 3x185x10, flys, flat bench 2x135x20
DB Curls 3x50x12 hammer curls, preacher curls

Focus/Intensity Average day, nothing too exciting but I am def focused. Nothing to report in the "Alpha male" feeling so no aggression overall. I do get a little excited for each set, mainly to get the wt/rep goal and I usually get it!

Pump- Biceps were blasted when I did the hi-rep hammer curls, full and pumped.

Endurance- still good part of the workout, finishing hi-rep but I am still doing decent wt. Did notice my chest was exhausted on the 20 rep bench and more emphasis on the triceps to finish up.

Strength- PR on curls, I've done 10 reps but not for 3 sets. On inc bench my goal was 6-8 reps for 3 sets but got 10 on the first set with relative ease so made that my goal. I seem to be underestimating my strength gains, but I also dont want to over-do it and get hurt.

Lethargy- overall felt great today, just recovering from back day yesterday . . . I am hurting!

Libido- once again no wake up call by the soldier, I will pick up some DHEA and see if that gives things a boost.

I am feeling nice and full each day and shirts are fitting snug in the shoulders and arms. I figure I may make a decent wt gain by the end of the week as hunger is always killing me. I did up carbs at my mid-afternoon meal and I am getting in more fruit during the day. I'll probably take the next 2 days off for some running and cycling, then hit the legs and shoulders on Sunday.
 
This is FRUSTRATING!!!! I have my post w/o carbs/protein, then 45 mins later I had a 1/2lb burger and some potatoes, but I am STARVING within 30 mins

Hunger is annoying, I have to keep cooking!

Overall I am enjoying the AMS cycle so far: strength gains came on quickly, size is coming along steadily, no negative sides. Libido might be down a bit but that is to be expected.
 
"Libido might be down a bit but that is to be expected"

Would taking any type of supp (like say Maca) to prevent loss of libido be recommended while on cycle or only after while in recovery mode (otc/pct) ?
 
scoooter said:
"Libido might be down a bit but that is to be expected"

Would taking any type of supp (like say Maca) to prevent loss of libido be recommended while on cycle or only after while in recovery mode (otc/pct) ?
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I'm forgetting how long he's been on the 4ad, but for most this takes care of the libido problem. If not, you could up the 4ad to 3ml and leave the others at 2ml to see if this offsets the libido issues. Everyone is different, so you may have to play around with dosing too.. another option is to take the 4ad at different times than you are taking the 1andro but at the same dose to see if that could help the issue out.
 
Looking good P5, keep hitting it hard! I know it may seem annoying to have to eat all the time, but that's your body telling you it needs those nutrients. Don't limit your growth just because you don't want to cook lol.
 
JayDee6 said:
Looking good P5, keep hitting it hard! I know it may seem annoying to have to eat all the time, but that's your body telling you it needs those nutrients. Don't limit your growth just because you don't want to cook lol.
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Dont worry, it may have sounded like an annoyance but I enjoy cooking, always have. My wife is NOT allowed in MY kitchen! It just get crazy when I eat a good amount and then still feel starving, I notice that mostly in the evening.

I woke up this morning HURTING, I love it. Means I have really pushed it to the limits.
 
tattoopierced1 said:
I'm forgetting how long he's been on the 4ad, but for most this takes care of the libido problem. If not, you could up the 4ad to 3ml and leave the others at 2ml to see if this offsets the libido issues. Everyone is different, so you may have to play around with dosing too.. another option is to take the 4ad at different times than you are taking the 1andro but at the same dose to see if that could help the issue out.
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I have been taking them at the same time (1AD, 4AD, Deca). I will try the 4AD a little bit later to see if that makes a difference.
 
p5sky said:
Dont worry, it may have sounded like an annoyance but I enjoy cooking, always have. My wife is NOT allowed in MY kitchen! It just get crazy when I eat a good amount and then still feel starving, I notice that mostly in the evening.

I woke up this morning HURTING, I love it. Means I have really pushed it to the limits.
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PM sent ;)
 
JayDee6 said:
PM sent ;)
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Thanks! Good info. When I get things locked down my diet is excellent. But I am also not too worried about tracking all the time, I stay pretty lean just from being active with training and coaching. Then when tri season kicks in the cardio training is intense. I do adjust carb intake based on daily/weekly sched.

GQNemesis said:
Pm'd as well bro.. Waiting on a response back
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Got email today, it cleared! Thanks
 
Saturday did some short sprints on the bike along with some ab work. Sunday was football day so I didnt worry about anything but FB and FOOD.

Gonna hit the gym late today, crazy after work sched. It is either back or legs, I'll see how the legs feel after the cycling and then soccer training today. Most likely it will be squats and shoulders.
 
Day 22


Adjusting to the hunger, eatin 2 dinners essentially, usually the first dinner is protein and complex carbs (rice, potatoes) and the last dinner is protein and veggies.

So far everything has been excellent. Almost immediate strength gains, then size coming in at week 2. I dont think it has affected my aggression much at all, but I am pretty intense and competitive anyways so glad it hasnt increased. Sides are pretty much non-existent, except for possible lowered libido.

Cant wait to see the difference in training and body comp as I increase tri-training the next few weeks, the BF should drop while hopefully maintaining mass.

Supps
2- 1AD
2- Decavol
2- 4AD


Legs/Shoulders

Squats 5x205x12
Followed with SLDL and leg curls.
Mil Press 3x165x8
Followed with a 3 tri-sets of lat raise/front raise/db mil press. The tri-set killed with 20lbs, had to drop wt to 15, the 12.

Intensity/Focus- excited because the hi-rep was a challenge so I had extra focus. It didnt hurt that I was watching these large guys at least 40-50lbs bigger than me benching less than I was mil pressing, motivation and a little bit of ego came from that.

Pump- Doing squats gets my upper chest veins to pop and the biceps, guess it's from the stretch of the wide grip. Shoulders were pumped and full from the tri-set, couldnt lift them afterwards

Endurance- I was drained, but it wasnt my usually gym time so that always affects me.

Strength- Pleased with the mil press, wanted to bump it 5lbs more but didnt push it too much. Nothing wrong with 165x8

Lethargy- feeling pretty good the past few days. I have beeon dosing the 4AD a couple of hours after the 1AD/Deca.

Libido- feeling OK, just been soo busy and so has the wife so not much desire for either. Always seems to be something going on and just want to pass out when we hit the sack.
 
Cold Measurements
Bicep: 16", up from 15.75
Thigh: 23" forgot to post the starting point

Def feel the difference in clothing; pants that were loose are now snug in the seat and thigh, and shirts are def tight in the biceps and shoulders.
 
Day 23

Got some comments today about my size. A guy I see all the time noticed a diff in mass and so did the Costco lady that is always at the exit.

Supps
2- 1AD
2- Decavol
2- 4AD

Chest/Biceps

Inc Bench 3x205x8 I started at 165x10 so a nice jump over 3 weeks
DB Curls 3x55x6 I will drop back to 45 next wo and go hi-rep, 10-12


Intensity/Focus- I was excited today and ready for each set as I bumped up the wt on both main exercises. I like to set a goal for the workout and this time I achieved it but it was tough on those curls. It is motivating curling 55s as others are doing there heavy work with 35s, and these guys dwarf me

Pump- Arms were blasted with the 55s, they ached after every set.

Endurance- Still wanna keep going at the end of the wo but I know more is not always better

Strength- Havent done 205x8 in a while, and I could have done more at the beginning. I just going in planning on upping wt or increasing reps every wo.

Lethargy- This area is better since I have been dosing the 4AD 1-2 hrs after the Deca and 1AD.

Libido- Had a great night of sleep and remember rubbing my stuff up against my wife a lot, but I was too tired for action. I'm not used to late workouts and going to bed beat . . . . usually I take a while to get relaxed and go to bed.
 
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