All out balls to the wall fat loss stack log :)

JudoJosh said:
Glad to have you on board! Yea I had a slew of products but have trimmed it down some with the help of some AM members :biglaugh: What is your plans consisting of? Put the link up once you get the log up and going
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I am still working that out because I need to decide how I want to proceed; either doing this with a major focus being towards cardio and a small amount of weight training or more 50/50 split. As for what I take on it here is my tentative plan:
DCP - 6 per day
OEP - 2-3 a day
Ghenerate - 12-14 sprays a day (5 on/2 off)
Anabolic Pump - 1 per day then probably going to switch to Glycobol (to try)
Prime - possibly going to use this though most likely it will wait until I finish my 2 bottles of Natadrol and use it during PCT.
PWO - I still have some Ether Level 1 by Get Diesel and will most likely use this being a non-stim OR I might throw in some DominATP.

We shall see how soon this starts but I am really amped up to get started; need to see my doctor first though to have something looked at before I do though.
 
carpee said:
I don't think the banana would have a negative impact...they're relatively low GI


And the recomp is in all out cut mode now. Spring break is in a few weeks, tryin' to tighten up.

Wait til after SB I'll have a new lineup for a lean bulk/recomp :439:
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remember when people test carbs and gi they test them alone. when you take in carbs with protein, or a little fat, that slows gi down. Gi is way over rated. Now getting ready for a show yeah maybe you want to be a little more meticulous just for the sake of it but its still not really a big deal.

I used to eat only brown, rice, sweet potatoes, year round for years and years until I found out it gi is way overrated and people are making things more complicated then they need be.

I think people forget to understand all it is is calories in, calories out. You can get lean on Mcdonalds as long as you are taking in less than you burn that day, and over a certain period of time. I recommend eating healthy of course thats just an example.
 
The only people who really need to worry regarding GI are people with insulinogenic issues. Daibetes, Hyper/Hypoglycemia. If taking in fat the GI automaticvally goes down. Brown rice has more fiber and healthier stuff in it. However like he said calorically it all comes down to in and out. Your body make up will respond better to certain types of diets based on your hormonal reaction to food types. That is where the difference lies in making your decisions. Whey protein will not lower GI by much it actually causes an insulin release on it's own due to the high level of BCAAs in it. Lots to consider but once you know your own formula it become elementary.
 
Just got back from Judo...gotta give it up to kleen and MST here. I havent really done any real conditioning or heavy cardio or strength cardio work in some time now but between been doing kleens warrior workout for the past month and MST's cordygen v02 man my drive and endurance is still there. I noticed ALOT less huffing and puffing then usual and I havent been there in months!!! I should have been gassed within the first 5 mins!!

Another note, it turns out my judo place just added in a saturday conditioning class with sledge hammers, truck tire, some foot work thingy ma-bob, sand bags, and a ghetto made kettlebell. So I am completely stoked over this! Gonna try and make it this saturdays session and see how it is.

A question for judo and all other cardio in general should I take the hemodraulix and citruvol too?

Right now I am planning on jus taking the v02 for cardio days... sound good? I dont see where the hemo or citrovol would be of use for judo or swiming
 
well when it comes to nitro products and cardio....

the way i think of it is like this: Do u really want a huge pump while ur doing cardio like activities? I mean if u wanna know how annoying it is...take the citro/hemo/ and whatever else u got for pumps and do some squats and sprints until ur nice and pumped....then go for a jog. Its annoying as all heck for me. ANd with judo when u get that entire upper body pump it slows u down. I like to keep the pump for lifting.
 
GoHardOrGoHme said:
well when it comes to nitro products and cardio....

the way i think of it is like this: Do u really want a huge pump while ur doing cardio like activities? I mean if u wanna know how annoying it is...take the citro/hemo/ and whatever else u got for pumps and do some squats and sprints until ur nice and pumped....then go for a jog. Its annoying as all heck for me. ANd with judo when u get that entire upper body pump it slows u down. I like to keep the pump for lifting.
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exactly what I figured. I never had a pump while doing cardio but couldnt imagine it being pleasent. Was just looking for someone to co-sign my thought :439:
 
carpee said:
I don't think the banana would have a negative impact...they're relatively low GI

And the recomp is in all out cut mode now. Spring break is in a few weeks, tryin' to tighten up.

Wait til after SB I'll have a new lineup for a lean bulk/recomp :439:
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So your still gonne be running the OEP? I have seen a couple of post of people stacking it with recreate and liking it so far.

MrKleen73 said:
The Yellow Gold is not "needed" with that few carbs but the cool thing is that it would increase the amount of glycogen stored in the muscle from the banana. That is one of the reasons it is so versatile. If taken with a small amount of carbs it makes sure they all get into the muscle and not wasted floating around as blood sugar. Then ou r blood sugar levels are lower again telling your body to use fat for energy during the inactive periods of your day. IE the bulk of your day... If the banana is not overly ripe it wont even cause much of an insulin spike to be anabolic however with the Yellow Gold it becomes anabolic due to the glut4 uptake being activated in the muscles. They soak up the nutrients even without insulin being present in the bloodstream.
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Would it be excessive for me to take at least 1 YG cap with all of my meals because at least all have carbs in either fruit or veggies. I figured since the carbs were so low it would be a waste and only really beneficial in using the YG with higher carb meal which is my breakfeast. At work I am constantly moving and running around I barely get a chance to sit down so I figured the fruits I eat during the day would just get burned up for energy and I wouldnt have to worry about it being stored as fat but as the day goes on switching to veggies because it is winding down and I am less active. Well this it what I was thinking but now from your post maybe it will be helpfull to have at least 1 YG cap with all meals and 2 with breakfeast. Sound good?

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Yes before they start to turn too yellow, once they start getting a little brown they are jam packed full of sugar and the GI increases greatly. Rule of thumb the softer a banana is the sweeter and higher GI it will be. Eat em while they have a bit of green on the ends of the peel and are firmer then you are golden. Use the softer older ones for post workout or to put in a shake with some oats or something to bring the GI back down.
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As a matter of fact when I get the bananas they are green and are eaten within 7 days and are usually a little firm. We just joined a local co-op here and get a box of organic fruits and veggies weekly so we try and eat it all up by the next box being organic they tend to go bad before you know it so my and my wife try and finish it all up before the next order day so we always have fresh fruits and veggies in the house. Good to know about the banana though. I was thinking of throwing one in my oatmeal tomorow instead of blueberries.. hmmm...

oufinny said:
I am still working that out because I need to decide how I want to proceed; either doing this with a major focus being towards cardio and a small amount of weight training or more 50/50 split. As for what I take on it here is my tentative plan:
DCP - 6 per day
OEP - 2-3 a day
Ghenerate - 12-14 sprays a day (5 on/2 off)
Anabolic Pump - 1 per day then probably going to switch to Glycobol (to try)
Prime - possibly going to use this though most likely it will wait until I finish my 2 bottles of Natadrol and use it during PCT.
PWO - I still have some Ether Level 1 by Get Diesel and will most likely use this being a non-stim OR I might throw in some DominATP.

We shall see how soon this starts but I am really amped up to get started; need to see my doctor first though to have something looked at before I do though.
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Best of luck for your doctor vist, hope everything is good bud. As for the log looks like a killer lineup, detinetely shoot me a link once you ge it going. So are you running natadrol with this log or planning to run it in the future? Looks like a solid product, wanted to try it myself but I made a promise to myself to drop this body fat before even attempting to try any bulk type products. I have 2 boxes of prime on my dresser I been itching to try out

smeton_yea said:
remember when people test carbs and gi they test them alone. when you take in carbs with protein, or a little fat, that slows gi down. Gi is way over rated. Now getting ready for a show yeah maybe you want to be a little more meticulous just for the sake of it but its still not really a big deal.

I used to eat only brown, rice, sweet potatoes, year round for years and years until I found out it gi is way overrated and people are making things more complicated then they need be.

I think people forget to understand all it is is calories in, calories out. You can get lean on Mcdonalds as long as you are taking in less than you burn that day, and over a certain period of time. I recommend eating healthy of course thats just an example.
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Calories in vs. calories out..LOL.... You dont realize how many times I have this conversation with myself but for all the wrong reasons. I usually tell myself this when I want that bowl of ice ceam after dinner or that mini snickers at lunch or that doughnut at breakfeast. I tell myself hey it wont be that bad just add it to you caloires and make sure you dont pass your limit but the problem with me is once I break my diet it turns to a no holds bar type deal and I end p stuffing my face. Anyway I digress, I dont fully understand the whole Gi diet thing when I got into my quest for weight loss it started with the anabolic diet book so I did keto for awhile and now I am back on carbs and tryna figre out the best way to go about taking them in and minimizing the fat gain. Way I see it is bulk of your carbs should be pre or post workout or both and during the day fruit is ok and in the evening switch to veggies and with everymeal have a protein and healthy fat like chicken and almonds. But with the complex vs the simple carbs, isnt it more just complex carbs offer more nutrient and health wise then just low gi?
 
Nah I'm gonna cut OEP out for a while. I'll have been on it for 12 weeks at that point, and recreate for just 4.

So I'll continue on with Recreate, but bringing carbs back in to play with AP and P-slin.
 
Nice, by the way Josh, those bulking products are amazing for recomp. There is a reason people can eat like crap on test and what not and still get lean. If it isn't an issue of just not wanting to take them at all, you will honestly get there more quickly using the supplements. A good androgen or anabolic supplement will really help you cut fat on a maintenance calorie level. Building 2-4 lbs of muscle in a month while dropping fat makes a HUGE difference in body composition. I support the idea of what you are doing but in reality you may be holding back your progress. Just food for thought. If you are doing everything right then then you add the supps in for the push. If you aren't doing it right then don't waste time on the products not getting everything out of them. Lately you have been pretty on point, if you can maintain that level of discipline WHILE taking those supps your progress will be amazing. In my mind it is acheiving the level of discipline needed to make the product really work that one should wait on and not a specific composition. That is just my opinion though.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Nice, by the way Josh, those bulking products are amazing for recomp. There is a reason people can eat like crap on test and what not and still get lean. If it isn't an issue of just not wanting to take them at all, you will honestly get there more quickly using the supplements. A good androgen or anabolic supplement will really help you cut fat on a maintenance calorie level. Building 2-4 lbs of muscle in a month while dropping fat makes a HUGE difference in body composition. I support the idea of what you are doing but in reality you may be holding back your progress. Just food for thought. If you are doing everything right then then you add the supps in for the push. If you aren't doing it right then don't waste time on the products not getting everything out of them. Lately you have been pretty on point, if you can maintain that level of discipline WHILE taking those supps your progress will be amazing. In my mind it is acheiving the level of discipline needed to make the product really work that one should wait on and not a specific composition. That is just my opinion though.
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My main reason of holding off on prime, well 2 reasons. First being it is part of my asteroid stack and I would hate to break it up and 2 I have read people having an increase in hunger on prime and that doesn't sound like something I would want while trying to cut back calories. I do have a tub of SuperSaponins and a bottle of nettle root(divanex) so maybe I'll add one of them into the log. Maybe the SuperSaponins since it claims to aide in recovery and strength. Maybe do the 69 prime dosing with it.

What do you think bud? If you think it would help I'll give ot a go, you haven't steered me wrong yet
 
JudoJosh said:
My main reason of holding off on prime, well 2 reasons. First being it is part of my asteroid stack and I would hate to break it up and 2 I have read people having an increase in hunger on prime and that doesn't sound like something I would want while trying to cut back calories. I do have a tub of SuperSaponins and a bottle of nettle root(divanex) so maybe I'll add one of them into the log. Maybe the SuperSaponins since it claims to aide in recovery and strength. Maybe do the 69 prime dosing with it.

What do you think bud? If you think it would help I'll give ot a go, you haven't steered me wrong yet
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Oh yeah I would run both of those together to be honest. Also PRIME increases appetite but you can lose fat and gain muscle on PRIME at about 200-300 calories over maintenance beleive it or not. Same with any of the other stuff when test levels rise you get more hungry as well but the body is doing something with that food. You maintain your diet and add those in and you will see a lot faster results in fat loss and muscle mass gain. Some 1-C would be a great cheap addition as well at 18 dollars it would raise your test and GH levels the Divanex would take those higher levels and free up the test so that you have EVEN higher levels of free test, the supersapponins will help you dry out gove you some positive aggression and aid in recovery. You could smash it with that stack.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Oh yeah I would run both of those together to be honest. Also PRIME increases appetite but you can lose fat and gain muscle on PRIME at about 200-300 calories over maintenance beleive it or not. Same with any of the other stuff when test levels rise you get more hungry as well but the body is doing something with that food. You maintain your diet and add those in and you will see a lot faster results in fat loss and muscle mass gain. Some 1-C would be a great cheap addition as well at 18 dollars it would raise your test and GH levels the Divanex would take those higher levels and free up the test so that you have EVEN higher levels of free test, the supersapponins will help you dry out gove you some positive aggression and aid in recovery. You could smash it with that stack.
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Ok so Ima add in my tub of SuperSaponins using the 69 protocol but what about the nettle root? The bottle i have by NOW. When I put my new year order in they were sold out of divanex so I got the nettle root extract. Should I just take that as directed on the bottle?

Also I do have a tub of 1-c but don't you think that would be overkill taking it along with my somnidren?
 
JudoJosh said:
Ok so Ima add in my tub of SuperSaponins using the 69 protocol but what about the nettle root? The bottle i have by NOW. When I put my new year order in they were sold out of divanex so I got the nettle root extract. Should I just take that as directed on the bottle?

Also I do have a tub of 1-c but don't you think that would be overkill taking it along with my somnidren?
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woah buddy u may wanna slowly add in the supersaps

6 grams is a ****load and gives me a hell of a response....i wouldnt dare hit 9 grams...i may start humping walls and making holes

I wouldnt stack 2 GH releasers...if you want run 4 weeks of one and 4 weeks of the other or run 8 weeks of one, take 4 weeks off, then 8 weeks of the second. I strongly wouldnt recommend more then 12 weeks max!

Right now im hitting up ~6 grams of SuperSaps 5 days a week. And ~3.6 grams of 1-C 5 days a week. After 8 weeks im cutting out the SuperSaps and 1-C and start megadosing Prime. Then towards the end of my 12 week powerlifting ill add in TNA as a bridge during my cut to see how effective it is. Just to give you an idea of how im running a strength stack so you can tweak and change for ur cutting stack.
 
carpee said:
Nah I'm gonna cut OEP out for a while. I'll have been on it for 12 weeks at that point, and recreate for just 4.

So I'll continue on with Recreate, but bringing carbs back in to play with AP and P-slin.
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sounds like a solid plan. You should invest in the BOGO of reset AD, well at least thats my game plan after all these supps is take the resetAD and give my body a rest

Carcaya said:
keep it up dude, i like your thorough(spelling?) logging style
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intheflesh said:
Looks like a solid log! Subbing
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:439: Glad to have you guys along for the ride. I am trying to keep the log as detailed as possible so if I am doing something wrong you guys can point it out to me

Liftergym33 said:
Still in bro, going to catch up;)...time has not been on my side lately:D
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Not much has happened. Just some minor re-vamping of my supp choices. Some are being taken out and some added in. I will be updating the first post soon to reflect all the changes still working through it though. Tomorow the log officially starts and I will be posting up daily eating logs and workout logs. For the past week I been just doing some bodyweight and kettlebell workouts and cardio but tomorow I kick it full force with kleens warrior workout program :D

GoHardOrGoHme said:
woah buddy u may wanna slowly add in the supersaps

6 grams is a ****load and gives me a hell of a response....i wouldnt dare hit 9 grams...i may start humping walls and making holes

I wouldnt stack 2 GH releasers...if you want run 4 weeks of one and 4 weeks of the other or run 8 weeks of one, take 4 weeks off, then 8 weeks of the second. I strongly wouldnt recommend more then 12 weeks max!

Right now im hitting up ~6 grams of SuperSaps 5 days a week. And ~3.6 grams of 1-C 5 days a week. After 8 weeks im cutting out the SuperSaps and 1-C and start megadosing Prime. Then towards the end of my 12 week powerlifting ill add in TNA as a bridge during my cut to see how effective it is. Just to give you an idea of how im running a strength stack so you can tweak and change for ur cutting stack.
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I misread something along the way and for some reason I got supersap and prime mixed up. I thought I had read something on the forums saying supersap was the same as prime but kleen clarifyed it for me. Thats why I was suggesting the 69 dosing protocol but I dont want to be humping walls, my wife might kick me out the house, so I am either gonna do 3-4g a day or 6g m-f and weekends off. This is what the NP page says to take it.. I think I will start off with 3g and see how it goes and work y way up to 6g if needed but in all reality 3-4 should do wonders for me as I never took a test booster before and I will be stacking it with the stinging nettleroot so I should be good at 3-4g

As for the somnidren I am torn between somni or giving 1-c a go. I have been on somnidren for the past month off and on and I love it. I like the instant sleepyness you feel afterwards but kleen is right it might be better to switch it up, my body should respond good to the change so I am thinking of giving 1-c a shot and see how that goes. NPpage says "1/3 tsp) before sleep" which is 800mg. 3.6g is a big difference from what is recomended.. Do you feel that much is needed for it to be effective? Or are you just super dosing it for some reason? Also are you taking this pre bed or pre workout aswell?

I have the prime on standby still.. I am most likely going to add it in but I think ima hold off for a lttle bit as I haveso many things going on wanna slowly add things in and see how my body reacts.
 
Josh while running this you may want to vary cal intake a bit, if you have been running at 2100 a day hit 2100 on cardio days and 2500 on lifting this will allow you the extra nutrients on the days you have really stoked the furnace with your lifting and it will burn through them the extra cals on these days may help you build more LBM while still leaning out.
 
Day 1
(2/22/10)

Timeline
6am - EC, 1 cap TTA, MST (citruvol/v02), Hemo, Pslin, 2 caps NettleRoot
7am - Workout
8am - 1 scoop primal EAA, 2 egcg caps
9am - 1/3 cup steel cut oats, 1tbsp honey, 2oz blueberries, 1 egg, 3 egg whites
10:30 EC
1:45pm - Pslin
2pm- 2 scoops Solution 5, 1/2 grapefruit, 1 small pear
4:30 EC, TTA, Pslin
5pm- 6.5oz Mahi Mahi, 1/3cup Rainbow Chard (cooked with about 1tbsp EVO), 3 caps Fish oil
7:30 - 5oz albacore tuna, 120g romaine lettuce, 1oz almonds, 3 caps CLA
9:30 2 capps Nettle Root
10pm 2 scoops ATW whey, 3 caps CLA, 3 caps fish oil
11pm Yoga
1130pm - 4 pumps penetrate, 1/3 scoop Somnidren, 50mg zinc, magneisum, Sleep

Macros:
Calories- 1711
Fat - 65.3g
Sat fat - 8.3g
Carb - 125.3
Fiber - 26.9
Protein - 167.2g :(

Workout:

Benchpress - 125x10/ 165x6/ 165x6>145x6>125x8
Dorian rows - 105x10/ 165x6/ 165x6>145x6>125x8
Standing Militarypress - 65x10/ 95x7/95x6>85x4>75x5
Drag Curls (with ez curl bar) - 45x10/ 75x8/75x8>65x6>55x7
Skull Crusher (with ez curl bar) - 55x10/ 75x6/ 75x6>65x7>55x10
Hack Squat - 105x10/ 145x8/ 145x8>125x5>105x7

Narrative:
Woke up at 6am and had my bedside all set up for my supps :D Took the pslin with the reason being I have read it is good before a fasted workout and because the hemodraulix has 4g sesamin in it and it was recomended to me to take pslin with sesamin. Well after I took the supps I hit the snooze button and went back to sleep for anouth 30mins but the ephedera and caffeine had me poppin out of bed. So I went downstairs and did some lift stretching and got to lifting. For some reason I feel like I am doing the hack squats wrong :( If anyone can offer any advice or guidelines it would be much appreaciated. The bar hits my lower calf and upper hams/lower glutes. I kinda have to not really hold the bar tight I kinda have to curl my fingers and let it rest in the ends of my fingers so it clears everything and then the bar doesnt bump into anything on the way up but I feel like this way must be wrong so I dont know what to do to correct this. Figured I would ask you guys and if anything youtube it. Well anywho I finished my workout and drank a sccop of EAA and hopped in the shower. Got it, dressed, food ready for work, and left. I got to work early and ate my breakfeast. In hindsight I dont think I needed to take the 4:30 pslin and I think I should have had more egg whites with breakfeast to get more protein for the day. Weight this morning was 203lbs.
 
smeton_yea said:
I always like to cycle supplements.

are you counting your calories?
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Yes Sir :bigok:

MrKleen73 said:
Josh while running this you may want to vary cal intake a bit, if you have been running at 2100 a day hit 2100 on cardio days and 2500 on lifting this will allow you the extra nutrients on the days you have really stoked the furnace with your lifting and it will burn through them the extra cals on these days may help you build more LBM while still leaning out.
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Wish I would have read this a couple days ago :trout: but overall the days went ok. Anxious to hear your critque of my timeline post to see what I need to move around to change up.



It is about to be 11pm now and I am drinking a shake and then gonna hit the sack. If I didnt work tomorow and have to get up at 6 to lift I would post today up too but all I could squeeze out was yestarday. Today and tomorow should be up thursday when Im off.
 
Heeeyyyy Fatty! Wassup man? I see you've tired of the Low Carb Lifestyle as well. Best of luck on the new setup! Looks solid so far!
 
rampage jackson said:
Heeeyyyy Fatty! Wassup man? I see you've tired of the Low Carb Lifestyle as well. Best of luck on the new setup! Looks solid so far!
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LOL... its not so much as I was tired of it, its that it just got redundant and I was doing it for so long and it was all I knew figured it was time for a change plus I was going to be more active, going to increase my cardio waaay up and go back to judo and I couldnt imagine judo with only 30g carbs in me. Anabolic Diet was great and I recomended to anyone looking to drop weight, I lost quite a deal of weight and barely did any cardio all pretty much from diet. and it is pretty easy to follow its just it gets pricey (all the meat you buy) and when your on the go or away from home its hard to get food without carbs. I used to go to the corner store at school and get 2 hotdogs (no bun) a pepperoni stick, 2 cheese sticks, and 2 hard boiled eggs.. I mean that is a weird ass meal. But anywho I guess you can say I got tired of it. Thanks for the wishes of luck
 
JudoJosh said:
Day 1
(2/22/10)

Timeline
6am - EC, 1 cap TTA, MST (citruvol/v02), Hemo, Pslin, 2 caps NettleRoot
7am - Workout
8am - 1 scoop primal EAA, 2 egcg caps
9am - 1/3 cup steel cut oats, 1tbsp honey, 2oz blueberries, 1 egg, 3 egg whites
10:30 EC
1:45pm - Pslin
2pm- 2 scoops Solution 5, 1/2 grapefruit, 1 small pear
4:30 EC, TTA, Pslin
5pm- 6.5oz Mahi Mahi, 1/3cup Rainbow Chard (cooked with about 1tbsp EVO), 3 caps Fish oil
7:30 - 5oz albacore tuna, 120g romaine lettuce, 1oz almonds, 3 caps CLA
9:30 2 capps Nettle Root
10pm 2 scoops ATW whey, 3 caps CLA, 3 caps fish oil
11pm Yoga
1130pm - 4 pumps penetrate, 1/3 scoop Somnidren, 50mg zinc, magneisum, Sleep

Macros:
Calories- 1711
Fat - 65.3g
Sat fat - 8.3g
Carb - 125.3
Fiber - 26.9
Protein - 167.2g :(

Workout:

Benchpress - 125x10/ 165x6/ 165x6>145x6>125x8
Dorian rows - 105x10/ 165x6/ 165x6>145x6>125x8
Standing Militarypress - 65x10/ 95x7/95x6>85x4>75x5
Drag Curls (with ez curl bar) - 45x10/ 75x8/75x8>65x6>55x7
Skull Crusher (with ez curl bar) - 55x10/ 75x6/ 75x6>65x7>55x10
Hack Squat - 105x10/ 145x8/ 145x8>125x5>105x7

Narrative:
Woke up at 6am and had my bedside all set up for my supps :D Took the pslin with the reason being I have read it is good before a fasted workout and because the hemodraulix has 4g sesamin in it and it was recomended to me to take pslin with sesamin. Well after I took the supps I hit the snooze button and went back to sleep for anouth 30mins but the ephedera and caffeine had me poppin out of bed. So I went downstairs and did some lift stretching and got to lifting. For some reason I feel like I am doing the hack squats wrong :( If anyone can offer any advice or guidelines it would be much appreaciated. The bar hits my lower calf and upper hams/lower glutes. I kinda have to not really hold the bar tight I kinda have to curl my fingers and let it rest in the ends of my fingers so it clears everything and then the bar doesnt bump into anything on the way up but I feel like this way must be wrong so I dont know what to do to correct this. Figured I would ask you guys and if anything youtube it. Well anywho I finished my workout and drank a sccop of EAA and hopped in the shower. Got it, dressed, food ready for work, and left. I got to work early and ate my breakfeast. In hindsight I dont think I needed to take the 4:30 pslin and I think I should have had more egg whites with breakfeast to get more protein for the day. Weight this morning was 203lbs.
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I think the Yellow gold would be more beneficial preworkout since fasted training. P-Slin if pill form has Gymnema Sylvestre and Banaba, the Bulk has Banaba, however Gymnema and Banaba are insulin dependant which is why it requires carbs or an abundance of BCAA's to stimulate at least a slight insulin release. However in conjuction with yellow gold which enacts the same thing it becomes synergystic and effective at lower carb doses like in Anabolic Pump. Yellow Gold functions seperately of insulin in otherwords insulin does not need to be present for YG (Berberine) to do it's thing so it is better for fasted training in my opinion.

I would definitely increase your cals bro, you are not far along enough into your cut to be under 2000 calories and will hit a wall quickly. Hit up the cals I was recommending before 2100 and 2500 on weight training days. Your metabolism will increase again so that it won't stop your fat loss and you may gain some lbm from it. After 2 weeks of eating that way your body will have corrected the metabolism that has probably lowered eating 1700. Then you should stay at the level until your progress slows wether that be fat loss or lbm gain. Then you change the cals lower. Never lower your cals just because it is "time" lower them when you need to because progress is slowing.
 
KLEEN IS ALWAYS COMMING UP BIG!!! DAM MAN!!! Thats why i love this site!!! NO OTHER BETTA BABY!!! :popworm:
 
MrKleen73 said:
I think the Yellow gold would be more beneficial preworkout since fasted training. P-Slin if pill form has Gymnema Sylvestre and Banaba, the Bulk has Banaba, however Gymnema and Banaba are insulin dependant which is why it requires carbs or an abundance of BCAA's to stimulate at least a slight insulin release. However in conjuction with yellow gold which enacts the same thing it becomes synergystic and effective at lower carb doses like in Anabolic Pump. Yellow Gold functions seperately of insulin in otherwords insulin does not need to be present for YG (Berberine) to do it's thing so it is better for fasted training in my opinion.

I would definitely increase your cals bro, you are not far along enough into your cut to be under 2000 calories and will hit a wall quickly. Hit up the cals I was recommending before 2100 and 2500 on weight training days. Your metabolism will increase again so that it won't stop your fat loss and you may gain some lbm from it. After 2 weeks of eating that way your body will have corrected the metabolism that has probably lowered eating 1700. Then you should stay at the level until your progress slows wether that be fat loss or lbm gain. Then you change the cals lower. Never lower your cals just because it is "time" lower them when you need to because progress is slowing.
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I remembered reading one of your post suggesting YG pre fasted training but didn't realize pslin was different. I'm still waiting on my pill capper to start capping the yg I have. Ima try and eat some more good today and get my calories a little higher Yestarday I had 1700 calories too. thanks for the suggestions. Overall everything else looks ok? Any advice on the hack squats?
 
JudoJosh said:
I remembered reading one of your post suggesting YG pre fasted training but didn't realize pslin was different. I'm still waiting on my pill capper to start capping the yg I have. Ima try and eat some more good today and get my calories a little higher Yestarday I had 1700 calories too. thanks for the suggestions. Overall everything else looks ok? Any advice on the hack squats?
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Have you already tried putting some 5 or 10lb plates under your heels? That makes a world of difference. Also sit back into the movement in otherwords hips back first and follow your butts natural line of travel down and back will give you the ability to clear the calves. I always get my hamstring a little, but hey they stick out if developed so that is gonna happen some. However I think putting a small plate under your heels will give you the angle you need to do the movement.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Have you already tried putting some 5 or 10lb plates under your heels? That makes a world of difference. Also sit back into the movement in otherwords hips back first and follow your butts natural line of travel down and back will give you the ability to clear the calves. I always get my hamstring a little, but hey they stick out if developed so that is gonna happen some. However I think putting a small plate under your heels will give you the angle you need to do the movement.
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I'll try it out next week. Someone had told me this before I guess I just forgot to try it out.
 
QUICK UPDATE

My capper FINIALLY came in today so I capped a bottle of yellow gold, supersap, 1-c, and murina purina. I am still gonna finish up the last bit of somnidren that I have left and then start with the 1-c. I am immeadiately switching over from p-slin to yellow gold starting today. Well Im off to judo now, Iwill type up my workout from yesterday when I get back :D
 
Cool let us know what you think about the difference between the two. I like to add in PSlin on the larger carb meals, over 70 grams or so.
 
So I know I have been MIA for a little bit now. My home PC got some malware worm virus thing and crashed so I have no computer at home only my cell phone. So I guess the log is going to be put on hold till I find a way to fix my computer, (typing up updates with my cell would suck especially as detailed as I would like them to be) I am still continuing with my same routine and diet guidelines that I listed before jut cant update the progress here like I would like too. Hopefully I can get my PC fixed soon so I can continue with the log and continue to get suggestions, support, advice and help from you guys on here as I really do appreaciate it and it really does help, more then one would imagine. If I got any questions I will post up here, also will post up mini updates to give an idea of how I am progressing.
 
Put your important files on an external hard drive and get a techie friend to reformat your computer. It sounds like it needs it.
 
the PC turned off and wont turn back it.. it just goes to the screen that gives you the option for safe mode and wont leave that screen. I am trying to find my recovery disc and just reinstall windows
 
Are you sure it is malware, it doesn't typically do that. If you find your install disk try running a chkdsk /r on the drive before reinstalling everything you may just have bad sectors in the boot.ini or something.
 
it was the worm viruis you get and it hides and then pops up an alert saying you have a virus with the little shield logo and says you have to pay $x amount to fix it. Well I got the pop up and googled it and found out it was a viruis but the web said it was hamless so I ran my virus checker program and it did its thingand I though I wasgood but about a week ago the PC started acting up, like files not opening or the dektop icons re-arranging themelves and files disappearing or moving to other locations and then a couple days ago the PC reset itself and it stuck on this safe mode option screen and cant get out. I reset it several times and it just keeos gettin stuck there. I think when I googled it a while ago it was called the conficker virus or trojan horse or something like that. Well I found y recovery disk and it I rebooted the PC and point the startup drive to my CDrom and first ran a partial recovery where it would restart with the last known good configuration. So it worked my PC was back I went out and got a external drive and started to back up all my files and a couple hours after I backed everything up the PC shut off on its own and went to this different screen and wont trn back on. I tired to run a full recovery and about halfway thorugh I get errors and the PC resets.
 
JudoJosh said:
it was the worm viruis you get and it hides and then pops up an alert saying you have a virus with the little shield logo and says you have to pay $x amount to fix it. Well I got the pop up and googled it and found out it was a viruis but the web said it was hamless so I ran my virus checker program and it did its thingand I though I wasgood but about a week ago the PC started acting up, like files not opening or the dektop icons re-arranging themelves and files disappearing or moving to other locations and then a couple days ago the PC reset itself and it stuck on this safe mode option screen and cant get out. I reset it several times and it just keeos gettin stuck there. I think when I googled it a while ago it was called the conficker virus or trojan horse or something like that. Well I found y recovery disk and it I rebooted the PC and point the startup drive to my CDrom and first ran a partial recovery where it would restart with the last known good configuration. So it worked my PC was back I went out and got a external drive and started to back up all my files and a couple hours after I backed everything up the PC shut off on its own and went to this different screen and wont trn back on. I tired to run a full recovery and about halfway thorugh I get errors and the PC resets.
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Reseat the memory in the mother board, use the recovery disk to run chkdsk /r to check for and mark bad sectors on the drive and try to reload the OS again. Also if you have a video card that is not integrated I would reseat that too.
 
When you finish all of that come check out my new log.

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I demand an update on the 'balls to the wall fat loss' progress. F*ck your worms and virii, they've got pills for that. :)

By the way, PAGE 4 MOTHER F*CKAS!!! :head:
 
SilentBob187 said:
I demand an update on the 'balls to the wall fat loss' progress. F*ck your worms and virii, they've got pills for that. :)

By the way, PAGE 4 MOTHER F*CKAS!!! :head:
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I say we track down the devil child and drive him into the night!!! :evil:
 
Hope all is well Josh! Hope you can get the Operating system reloaded.
 
WOOOOOO!!! DAm Judo!!! How are things going brutha!! Day 1 looks nice as im sure the rest of them will!!! What going on :22:
 
Hey Man where ever you are you are missed come back and post something up.
 
Hello, Helloooo, Hellooooo is there an echo?:lol:..Im sure Josh is super tied up with something this just isn't like him...Maybe computer problems?
 
or he couldn't keep all the hot chicks from Kleens log off him... he DOES have that new physique!!!
 
WooHoo the hotness is contagious!!! Judo hip throw whatever is holding you up and get back in here we miss ya!
 
Surely we'll be blessed with an update soon. Right?
 

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