A new chapter...RickRock's path on the "DARK SIDE" begins...

RickRock13 said:
As for the actual scale weight difference, I started this cycle at 165 around 6.5% bodyfat, and I am sitting at 178-180 right now at 5.6-5.9% bodyfat. I am also drier now than at the start, but definitely have a lot of glycogen stored (as anabolics do that), so at the very least I would guess I've gained 10 lbs of muscle or so taking into consideration water and glycogen returning to normal post cycle, but I'm thinking it could be slightly more than that. At any rate, I call it a HUGE success and I'm happy! :)
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Nice Bro... I mean Wow... not many people with gear/perfect diet, doesn't really matter, not many people can do what you have done period, so congratulations Bro, looking amazing and keep up the great work!
 
DreamWeaver said:
Yep some huge differences for sure....
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Absolutely! I knew I had made some nice changes, but it really puts things in perspective when you put the comparison photos up right net to each other.

ScottyDoc said:
Nice Bro... I mean Wow... not many people with gear/perfect diet, doesn't really matter, not many people can do what you have done period, so congratulations Bro, looking amazing and keep up the great work!
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Thanks a ton Scotty! I've done my best, and your compliments mean a lot brother!

cashinova87 said:
Dude your triceps def grew quite a bit too
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Yeh, my arms in general did grow nicely. I didn't realize they had changed all that much until looking at the comparison photos.
 
Day 78

Weight: 178.5 (+ 13.5)

Pinned 175mg Test E
Pinned 200mg Masteron E
Dosed 200mg Katana
Dosed 20 pumps Forma (10pumpsx2)

Ok, today was my final pin and last dose of Katana as well. That explains the lesser dosing of everything, because I was pretty much just finishing off what I had. This is the first day of the 12th week, and I'm done dosing the anabolics, so PCT will start two weeks from today (2 weeks after last pin for long esters). I really really enjoyed everything about this cycle. The obvious things like the mass and strength gains and vascularity re a no brainier, but my sense of well being and high libido with ZERO side effects have me not wanting to come off at all and keep rolling. But, unfortunately all good things must come to an end, so from here on out it will be all about t least maintaining everything I have gained. The next couple weeks will be cake because I will still have a high amount of anabolics in my blood and even at 2 weeks from now when I start PC! They will have reached half life, so I will still have half the concentration of test, Masteron in my system. The real test will come about 4 weeks from now and a couple weeks into PCT when I start relying more on my own hormone levels and hopefully well on the road to recovery at that time....

My workout today was quite unorthodox, and certainly not typical for DC training. I basically did two workouts in one, effectively hitting full body. The reason I did this is because I am going to be away from the weights until a week from today, so I wanted to hit everything hard today since everything will have a full week to recover. Me and my family are getting on a plane tomorrow and going halfway across the country for some vacation through the weekend. I will be obviously limited on food choices and what not while I'm there, but I should be able to keep from things getting too far out of control because There is a fitness center at our hotel....so I will at least be able to get some cardio in while we are there. It is a vacation after all, so I'm not going to think about macros much at all, and eat whatever it is that everyone decides they want. The cardio is there to help minimize the damage. I can clean up pretty good in the week I have before PCT starts when we come back, but I highly doubt there will be much if anything to clean up.

Despite all the volume of doing twice the volume of my typical workouts, and being in the gym a full 90 minutes, I had a great workout. I tried to structure it correctly so that it made sense, and I think I did a great job at that. The only thing that seemed effected at all were biceps and forearms, because they were already somewhat taxed already from the back work. I still managed to push through, and at least match my previous numbers on them, but I did have to fight like hell to get them. Everything else went without a hitch, and I either added weight or a decent a amount of reps to everything. It's nice to see that I'm still progressing so well, but I have to wonder how things will go when AI enter PCT. If I can at least hold most of this strength gained a reasonable amount I will be happy.

So, tomorrow I will be on vacation for a while. There won't be a lot to update in here during that time, but I am taking my iPad with me, so I may pop in here from time to time and report a little on what I've been doing, eating, cardio, etc....



DC workout 2A & 1B

(calves, chest, shoulders, triceps, hams, back width, back thickness, biceps, forearms, Quads)

Seated Calf Raise (straight set with enhanced negative)
150x10 (+10 lbs)

Hammer Strength Chest Press (rest, pause)
340x10x6xfail (+15 lbs)

Smith Military (rest, pause)
200x9x3x2 (+3 reps)

Skullcrushers (rest, pause)
125x9x4x2 (+3 reps)

Leg curls (rest, pause)
200x12x5x5 (+5 reps)

Close grip Lat pull downs (rest, pause)
250x8x3x2 (+10 lbs)

Single DB rows (straight sets)
130x9 (+5 lbs)
135x8 (+2 reps)

Alternate DB curls (rest, pause)
60sx10x6x4 (+o reps)

DB hammer curls (straight set)
60sx12 (+0 reps)

Squats (straight sets)
315x10 (+ 20 lbs)
245x20 ( + 10 lbs)
 
Man this is awesome. I cant wait to watch and learn about the pct.. THE BIG STUFF>! lol
 
Awesome work RR. Great improvements.

As for bringing your chest up(this was my biggest issue too, delts overpowered my chest something fierce) really think about exercise selection. Might be prudent to swap out some extension type tricep movements for more pressing movements to hit chest a bit more.

Also you really need to try and take the delt out of it. Really make sure you are retracting your scapula on ALL pressing movements. To the point that it is uncomfortable, and even hurts slightly. I notice a lot of people start like this, and once the reps get heavy/taxing, the shoulder start to roll forward. Once this happens, set is over. You want to be doing this even on Hammer Strength machine presses. Get your ass deep into the seat, retract your scapula HARD, get a nice arch going like you would on a BB bench, and press. I see most people with a flat back on HS machines.

I think this(scapular retraction) is really what fixed the majority of my chest issues. I was a big time front delt presser, even after I made an effort to correct it, I would start to roll forward when **** got hard. Once I started training in power lifting, and started doing a lot of upper back/scapular retraction work, I had the ability to really hold that upper back tightness through the lift. If I sent you a before and after pic of my chest from January to now I think you would be fairly surprised at the difference, especially at this stage of the game. I had pretty much given up all hope, and the ****ed up part is it fixed it self, without me even trying...LOL

All this logging has me itching to do one over here..heh
 
Frank Reynolds said:
Awesome work RR. Great improvements.

As for bringing your chest up(this was my biggest issue too, delts overpowered my chest something fierce) really think about exercise selection. Might be prudent to swap out some extension type tricep movements for more pressing movements to hit chest a bit more.

Also you really need to try and take the delt out of it. Really make sure you are retracting your scapula on ALL pressing movements. To the point that it is uncomfortable, and even hurts slightly. I notice a lot of people start like this, and once the reps get heavy/taxing, the shoulder start to roll forward. Once this happens, set is over. You want to be doing this even on Hammer Strength machine presses. Get your ass deep into the seat, retract your scapula HARD, get a nice arch going like you would on a BB bench, and press. I see most people with a flat back on HS machines.

I think this(scapular retraction) is really what fixed the majority of my chest issues. I was a big time front delt presser, even after I made an effort to correct it, I would start to roll forward when **** got hard. Once I started training in power lifting, and started doing a lot of upper back/scapular retraction work, I had the ability to really hold that upper back tightness through the lift. If I sent you a before and after pic of my chest from January to now I think you would be fairly surprised at the difference, especially at this stage of the game. I had pretty much given up all hope, and the ****ed up part is it fixed it self, without me even trying...LOL

All this logging has me itching to do one over here..heh
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A real technician, that's what I like to see...
 
I definitely owe it to you Rick. You got me on Lean Gains which is going to stay with me forever and lets just say you got me having one of the most intense workouts ever. After reading your log i wanted to start DC and tear it up. The thought of having a logbook and beating numbers is sweet and 3 day a week set up is perfect. Today was day 1 and i just got back from the gym and wow, this is definitely for me. I can tell this is going to be a pretty sick workout program. It does feel a little different grab lower weights though, i am going to have to get used to that. For example on shoulder day i have been doing 75's or 80s on db shoulder press for 3x8. Day 1 of DC today after doing chest exercise first for A1 i could only do 60s for 10,7,3. Its a different feeling grabbing db's that low but this was by far the most taxing workout on my body and i loved it. I cant wait to attempt to beat that next time. Thanks again.
 
Rick,

You made amazing progress! What is the most impressive thing about you that I and most of the other guys on here don't share is the level of consistency. Absolutely I have tons of knowledge and the ability to set things up extremely well but I do not remain as consistent with my diet or my cardio. You are proof that consistency truly is key.

Bravo!
 
Yah I have been following so many of his logs in the last year and consistency has been there from day 1...
 
bigguyn10ec said:
Man this is awesome. I cant wait to watch and learn about the pct.. THE BIG STUFF>! lol
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Yeh PCT is coming real soon in a week, so it will be a new set of goals and challenges to see if I can keep all my gains. I actually like to aim higher and try to make new ones, so we will see how it goes ;)

Frank Reynolds said:
Awesome work RR. Great improvements.

As for bringing your chest up(this was my biggest issue too, delts overpowered my chest something fierce) really think about exercise selection. Might be prudent to swap out some extension type tricep movements for more pressing movements to hit chest a bit more.

Also you really need to try and take the delt out of it. Really make sure you are retracting your scapula on ALL pressing movements. To the point that it is uncomfortable, and even hurts slightly. I notice a lot of people start like this, and once the reps get heavy/taxing, the shoulder start to roll forward. Once this happens, set is over. You want to be doing this even on Hammer Strength machine presses. Get your ass deep into the seat, retract your scapula HARD, get a nice arch going like you would on a BB bench, and press. I see most people with a flat back on HS machines.

I think this(scapular retraction) is really what fixed the majority of my chest issues. I was a big time front delt presser, even after I made an effort to correct it, I would start to roll forward when **** got hard. Once I started training in power lifting, and started doing a lot of upper back/scapular retraction work, I had the ability to really hold that upper back tightness through the lift. If I sent you a before and after pic of my chest from January to now I think you would be fairly surprised at the difference, especially at this stage of the game. I had pretty much given up all hope, and the ****ed up part is it fixed it self, without me even trying...LOL

All this logging has me itching to do one over here..heh
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Thanks a ton Frank, and thanks for all the great advice along the way.

I will take your recommendations and likely will use them to try and bring the chest up more. The only thing I wonder is what pressing movements I can do for triceps other than close grip bench?

DreamWeaver said:
A real technician, that's what I like to see...
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Me too!

wesg49 said:
I definitely owe it to you Rick. You got me on Lean Gains which is going to stay with me forever and lets just say you got me having one of the most intense workouts ever. After reading your log i wanted to start DC and tear it up. The thought of having a logbook and beating numbers is sweet and 3 day a week set up is perfect. Today was day 1 and i just got back from the gym and wow, this is definitely for me. I can tell this is going to be a pretty sick workout program. It does feel a little different grab lower weights though, i am going to have to get used to that. For example on shoulder day i have been doing 75's or 80s on db shoulder press for 3x8. Day 1 of DC today after doing chest exercise first for A1 i could only do 60s for 10,7,3. Its a different feeling grabbing db's that low but this was by far the most taxing workout on my body and i loved it. I cant wait to attempt to beat that next time. Thanks again.
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I'm glad I could help man, And I thank you too!

MrKleen73 said:
Rick,

You made amazing progress! What is the most impressive thing about you that I and most of the other guys on here don't share is the level of consistency. Absolutely I have tons of knowledge and the ability to set things up extremely well but I do not remain as consistent with my diet or my cardio. You are proof that consistency truly is key.

Bravo!
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Yeh, normally the consistency is always there and I'm pretty good at keeping on target every day. There are times when family things come up, that I put my personal goals on the sidelines for family....like this past week has been on vacation, but mostly I do stay focused with my eyes on a goal at all times. Thanks for all the support Kleen!

DreamWeaver said:
Yah I have been following so many of his logs in the last year and consistency has been there from day 1...
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Thanks Doug! You are no different my friend. You are one of the most consistent and determined people I have seen on this forum!




Well, I am about to head back to my home, and I am wrapping up my week of vacation. I've had a ton of fun with my family, but unfortunately it's time to go back to the daily grind tomorrow and that means back to the gym and killing the weights as well! I've definitely put on some water weight this last week, as I've pretty much abandoned IF and ate whatever I I wanted for this entire vacation. I did a little damage control and got a good 30-45 minutes of cardio in each day in the hotels fitness room, but I have still lost some definition from holding water. The good news is that I'm looking HUGE right now, and I may have added a little bit more muscle during all these high cal days. I'm real curious to see where I weigh in t tomorrow. I'm thinking I'm well over 180 right now. We will see. I will use the next week to clean things up before I enter PCT a week from tomorrow ;)
 
Hey RR,
following your log, has been a fascinating, and informative journey.
Your diligence, and attention to detail, are inspiring.
Congratulations on the success, and thank you for sharing the ride with all of us.
Peace
 
Jm presses, Close grip flat, reverse grip, dips, close grip incline, even something like floor presses regular bench width or close grip.

Remember for flat, incline, reverse, etc you can do bb and Smith as two separate movements. So in one blast you might have flat bb close grip, and incline Smith, then stall and swap it for Smith flat and bb incline.

Even on dips make sure you're retracing your scapula and maintaining that upper back tightness.

imo on close grip movements don't over exaggerate how close your grip is. I usually bench ring finger on rings for example and my close grip might be pinky on rings instead, or pinky just inside of rings sometimes.

Something like this or even a finger width wider for your goal.

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Here's a jm press if your unfamiliar.
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I've been watching this from a distance. Wow man. What a transformation. I remember following the helladrol/trenazone log you had religiously a little over a year ago and now this. You are killing it. It's inspirational.

So much amazing info in here. Keep killing it. You look amazing bro.
 
toddgranit said:
Hey RR,
following your log, has been a fascinating, and informative journey.
Your diligence, and attention to detail, are inspiring.
Congratulations on the success, and thank you for sharing the ride with all of us.
Peace
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Thanks a ton man! It's my pleasure to log my experiences, because of the great feedback, info, and advice I get from everyone. I've
learned so much during this run also that makes it all the better!

Frank Reynolds said:
Jm presses, Close grip flat, reverse grip, dips, close grip incline, even something like floor presses regular bench width or close grip.

Remember for flat, incline, reverse, etc you can do bb and Smith as two separate movements. So in one blast you might have flat bb close grip, and incline Smith, then stall and swap it for Smith flat and bb incline.

Even on dips make sure you're retracing your scapula and maintaining that upper back tightness.

imo on close grip movements don't over exaggerate how close your grip is. I usually bench ring finger on rings for example and my close grip might be pinky on rings instead, or pinky just inside of rings sometimes.

Something like this or even a finger width wider for your goal.

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Great recommendations Frank! I think I will swap out my skullcrushers and reverse preachers tricep extensions for weighted dips and reverse grip bench pretty soon to give me all pressing movements on triceps. Thanks for all the great advice, and I will be implementing it very soon ;)

NuclearLaunch said:
I've been watching this from a distance. Wow man. What a transformation. I remember following the helladrol/trenazone log you had religiously a little over a year ago and now this. You are killing it. It's inspirational.

So much amazing info in here. Keep killing it. You look amazing bro.
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Good to see you again man! Thanks for following everything, and the kind words!

DreamWeaver said:
So takes one to know one ? :) ... yah we pitbulls :)
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I think you have a point Doug!




Well, I'm back home now and it's time to get back to business on my diet and my training. The vacation was great and the break from the gym was probably good for me, but I definitely paid the cost from the loose eating. As expected, my weight was up quite a bit. I weighed in at 182 this morning despite doing cardio nearly every day of the vacation. Im sure it won't take a lot to clean things up, as I look like its all pretty much water weight. I had originally planned to hit the gym today, but Instead I am taking a much needed rest day from everything. I am pretty worn out from all the traveling, so tomorrow will be my first day back to the weights.

Cals will be lower this week, even on workout days, to try and get things cleaned up before heading into PCT next week. I'm starting Formasurge tomorrow along with a log for it. I will still be mirroring most of the things in my log here in this one so all my PCT info stays part of this log, but I will throw a link up here to the log soon when I make it. It should help dry out this week as well, and it does have Resveratrol in it also to help with recovery so I'm looking forward to that and how things go from there.
 
Ok guys, here is the link to my FormaSurge log, for those that want to join. Most of the info from that log will still be logged here, but that log will be more specific to the product for obvious reasons, where this log will continue to be more about the whole PCT in general

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It felt awesome to get back into the gym today. Even though I'm slightly bloated and holding water, I'm looking rather huge right now which is real nice. I did look a little better today than I did yesterday, and my weight this morning was 181....so a lb of water down from yesterday. My plan is to get somewhere around 177-178 by the weekend which should leave me looking pretty good before heading into PCT.

I also started Formasurge this morning, which I will touch on in my other log.

PCT is going to be a little different on cals next week. On burn days I am planning on going around 200-400 more or so on cals, so I will be around 2k-2200 each burn day. I am going to limit cardio to just LISS of incline treadmill walking also. My goal in PCT is to obviously hold gains, so I'm not worried about burning fat....I just don't want to get fat while doing it...lol. Workout days will not change really at all and will stay at around 3k per day.

Todays workout went really well. The week off of training did great for me I think, and my body needed the little break. I felt great this morning and progressed on all exercises even though most were just up a rep or two. My quad exercises are still going up at a huge rate though however. In PCT I will do what I can to at least hold my current weight and rep levels. I won't be concerned about progressing as much as I will Maintaining. I am running Ostarine in PCT again, so further gains are possible though...:sgrin:


DC workout 2B (Biceps, Forearms, calves, hamstrings, Quads)

BB curls (rest, pause)
125x7x4x2 (+1 rep)

Pinwheel Curls (straight set)
70sx10 (+1 rep)

Standing Calf Raises (straight set with enhancd negative)
230x11 (+10 lbs)

Lying Single Leg curls (rest, pause)
100x9x4x3 (+1 rep)

Hack Squats (straight sets)
450x11 (+20 lbs)
400x20 (+20 lbs widowmaker)
 
Man I love this log! Great detail
 
Weight: 180 (+15)


Water weight is coming off slowly but surely as I've dropped another pound since yesterday. Tomorrow is a burn day with low carbs, so I should really make a change from that hopefully.

I'm getting some pretty severe DOMS right now too. My legs are pretty sore from yesterday's workout, and I can feel soreness already from today's workout in my chest, back, and shoulders. I'm sure a lot of this has to do with taking a week off of the gym, but it may also be from the exogenous hormone levels dropping too.

The workout itself went well, as I did progress well in everything. I almot decided to go with 115s on DB bench, but I decided to try for some more reps instead. Next time I will try the 115s though, since I got a good amount of reps with the 110s today. Had good progress on overhead press as well and I will be going up 5 lbs or so next workout. My first set of deads I did a little s.ower than normal which is why I probably couldn't add reps to it. I did add a rep to my heavy 315 lb set though.

DC workout 1C (Chest, Triceps, Shoulders, Back Width, Back Thickness)

DB bench press (rest, pause)
110sx11x5x3 (+2 reps)

Standing overhead BB shoulder press (rest, pause)
170x10x4x2 (+4 reps)

Triceps machine -reverse preachers (rest, pause)
230x10x4x2 (+5 lbs)

Front Lat Pulldowns (rest, pause)
250x9x4x3 (+10 lbs)

Deadlift (straight set)
275x8 (+0 reps)
315x3 (+1 rep)
 
Weight:179 (+14)

As planned, the extra water is nearly gone and after The burn day, I'm sure my weight will be right where I wanted to get to at around 178 with the added bloat all gone. I've been dosing the Formasurge I started this week at a higher dose to help with it at 150mg Forma each day, but will be returning to a normal dose of 100mg per day on the first day of pct in a couple days.

I kept the carbs at nearly zero with only trace amounts for the day, and the diet was super clean. Now today is another workout day, and I plan to fill up pretty decent with carbs since I did deplete myself somewhat from the burn day before going in to the weekend.

Cardio was a short and sweet 30 minutes of running the treadmill at 7.5 MPH for a 400 cal burn and 3.5 miles total distance :run:
 
How do you like the forma and how'd you like the katana. Im thinking of adding both in for the last 8 weeks of my cycle. I havent used either one but they both sound like great drugs
 
superbeast668 said:
How do you like the forma and how'd you like the katana. Im thinking of adding both in for the last 8 weeks of my cycle. I havent used either one but they both sound like great drugs
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Katana is awesome to help shred up, and there are virtually no sides from it.

Forma is incredible too. You will get dry and lean on it as well

Double win if you run both
 
RickRock13 said:
Katana is awesome to help shred up, and there are virtually no sides from it.

Forma is incredible too. You will get dry and lean on it as well

Double win if you run both
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Ive been highly considering the katana for a while.

The forma sparked my interest when i read about lenatron in Llewellyn's "Anabolics". Eh. I got nothing to lose. May as well. Itll be a good addition to test and eq. Dry lean and vascular is a good look ive heard.
 
superbeast668 said:
Ive been highly considering the katana for a while.

The forma sparked my interest when i read about lenatron in Llewellyn's "Anabolics". Eh. I got nothing to lose. May as well. Itll be a good addition to test and eq. Dry lean and vascular is a good look ive heard.
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You will love them both I'm sure. ;)

masonmarin18 said:
Too bad katana is banned now:(
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I know, that and SD are both officially gone now :(
 
Weight: 178 (+13)

Well, I've pretty much dried out to where I want to be after the good burn day I had yesterday. So, I carbed up big time today eating an entire large and thick pizza for my fast breaker and having another nice dirty meal of a triple bacon cheeseburger and fries for my last meal...lol. Weight will undoubtedly be up a couple lbs tomorrow, but I like to carb up big on Fridays, since I burn for two days in a row on the weekend. I'm going to try and dry and clean up some more this weekend, then it's on to PCT....

I don't think you realize how great these compounds are until you come off of them. Even though I'm still at around half the peak concentration of anabolics in my system, I can tell that the amount in my blood has gone down. Pumps are not as huge as they were, I get much more sore after workouts, and the hardness has went down. I also don't have that super sick vascularity all the time like I had before from the Masteron. That stuff lit my veins up like crazy, and the hardness I had likely mostly had to do with the Masteron. God damn I love these anabolics and I can't wait to be back on again!

Today's workout was pretty good. Once again progression in everything, with a nice weight jump again for hams and quads. I am starting to get some real good strength in my legs, and they have definitely made the most progress for the cycle. They are thicker, more defined, and more vascular than they have ever been!


DC workout 2C (Biceps, Forearms, Calves, Hamstrings, Quads)

EZ Bar Preacher Curls (rest, pause)
120x8x4x2 (+1 rep)

Single reverse cable curls (straight set)
62.5x11 (+2.5 lbs per arm, 5 lbs total)

Leg press toe raise (straight set)
290x12 (+1 rep)

Sumo Leg Press (rest, pause)
500x10x6x4 (+30 lbs)

Leg Press (straight sets)
610x11 (+20 lbs)
560x19 (+20 lbs widowmaker)
 
just blast cruise man :D
cycling is **** and absolutely (maybe not absolutely but nearly) useless. no serious competitor for example will have long off periods. that kind of approach in the end only equals glycogen in/glycogen out. most of short term aas gains after all are only intrecellular water retention.
you made great progress but it is never possibly to keep that condition for long unfortunately.
 
redman24 said:
just blast cruise man :D
cycling is **** and absolutely (maybe not absolutely but nearly) useless. no serious competitor for example will have long off periods. that kind of approach in the end only equals glycogen in/glycogen out. most of short term aas gains after all are only intrecellular water retention.
you made great progress but it is never possibly to keep that condition for long unfortunately.
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That may be the route I eventually take, but I don't want to go that route until my natural test levels dictate that its time to do that and TRT is the next step.

About 4-6 weeks after PCT I will be getting some bloodwork done with a full hormone panel. Hopefully my levels are still in good range then, but if not then that would be the next step...but not until then

I know plenty of guys that cycle AAS that make and keep great gains from their cycling, and have continued to do so through the years. However, I do know it would certainly be much easier using the blast and cruise method :sgrin:
 
PCT Day 1

Weight:177.5 (+12.5)


Well, I was surprised to wake up today and look lean as hell, and a scale weight that was about a half pound less than yesterday, despite the HUGE amount of carbs I had yesterday. I do look very full from the carb up, but just very very dry and lean this morning. Probably more dry and lean than I have looked for a very long time! So, this tells me that the water is falling right off of me. This is probably from a couple different things. First, the test in my system is going down by the day, so the water retained from it is getting less and less....and also the FormaSurge I've been running to lower the water and estrogen further, especially considering the higher dose of Formestane I've been running (150mg). So now I am lowering the dose back down to a more normal dose of 4 pumps per day at 100mg Forma.


Did some LISS cardio this morning walking the treadmill for 60 minutes (3.5 MPH@10% incline) burning a total of 750 cals. This helped make me look dry and lean even further, and I'm strongly considering taking some pics this weekend, because of how pleased I am with how I look right now. I really need some beginning of PCT pics anyways. :yup:

Speaking of PCT, I decided to start PCT supplements today, instead of 2 days from now so I'm calling this day 1 of 30 for PCT. My last pin was a lower dose than normal, so my thinking is that my levels are probably down enough to the point that starting PCT now makes perfect sense. A couple days really wouldn't make a difference either way, but anyways I started today!

Here is the complete planned PCT I have...

Clomid- 50mg per day
Unleashed (test booster)
Phytoserms 347 (test booster)
DAA
FormaSurge
Ostarine (25mg per day)
HCGenerate-finishing off current bottle (probably a week or so left)
 
RickRock13 said:
PCT Day 1

Weight:177.5 (+12.5)


Well, I was surprised to wake up today and look lean as hell, and a scale weight that was about a half pound less than yesterday, despite the HUGE amount of carbs I had yesterday. I do look very full from the carb up, but just very very dry and lean this morning. Probably more dry and lean than I have looked for a very long time! So, this tells me that the water is falling right off of me. This is probably from a couple different things. First, the test in my system is going down by the day, so the water retained from it is getting less and less....and also the FormaSurge I've been running to lower the water and estrogen further, especially considering the higher dose of Formestane I've been running (150mg). So now I am lowering the dose back down to a more normal dose of 4 pumps per day at 100mg Forma.


Did some LISS cardio this morning walking the treadmill for 60 minutes (3.5 MPH@10% incline) burning a total of 750 cals. This helped make me look dry and lean even further, and I'm strongly considering taking some pics this weekend, because of how pleased I am with how I look right now. I really need some beginning of PCT pics anyways. :yup:

Speaking of PCT, I decided to start PCT supplements today, instead of 2 days from now so I'm calling this day 1 of 30 for PCT. My last pin was a lower dose than normal, so my thinking is that my levels are probably down enough to the point that starting PCT now makes perfect sense. A couple days really wouldn't make a difference either way, but anyways I started today!

Here is the complete planned PCT I have...

Clomid- 50mg per day
Unleashed (test booster)
Phytoserms 347 (test booster)
DAA
FormaSurge
Ostarine (25mg per day)
HCGenerate-finishing off current bottle (probably a week or so left)
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Hey Rick what do you use to measure your ostarine dose if you don't mind me asking?
 
masonmarin18 said:
Hey Rick what do you use to measure your ostarine dose if you don't mind me asking?
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Oral syringe. The ostarine I get has the measurement marks printed right on it
 
RickRock13 said:
Oral syringe. The ostarine I get has the measurement marks printed right on it
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Sounds good, Btw the fasted cardio without bcaas has helped me out nicely. I was wondering though, when I came off my helladrol cycle I used to to cut I kept cals the same and all the sudden my weight dropped drastically. So I freaked out and carbed up and increased cals. I cut from about 158 to 148 on cycle and then after first week of pct I was like 142-143. I upped cals and got back up to like 145-146, now after burn days I am around 142-143. Why do you think my weight dropped so much, maybe I put on muscle that I lost from too big of a caloric deficit? I didn't really think I put on muscle just maintained cuz my strength stayed the same. Anyways all trial and error, just thought you might know something I don't.
 
masonmarin18 said:
Sounds good, Btw the fasted cardio without bcaas has helped me out nicely. I was wondering though, when I came off my helladrol cycle I used to to cut I kept cals the same and all the sudden my weight dropped drastically. So I freaked out and carbed up and increased cals. I cut from about 158 to 148 on cycle and then after first week of pct I was like 142-143. I upped cals and got back up to like 145-146, now after burn days I am around 142-143. Why do you think my weight dropped so much, maybe I put on muscle that I lost from too big of a caloric deficit? I didn't really think I put on muscle just maintained cuz my strength stayed the same. Anyways all trial and error, just thought you might know something I don't.
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Dropping 4-5 lbs is perfectly normal coming off of cycle. That is because the intra-cellular glycogen muscle saturation and water retention is so high on cycle, and that cannot be maintained off cycle naturally. It's also the reason that it is perfectly normal to gain 4-5 lbs in the first week of a cycle. That weight gain is just the glycogen and water reaching that muscle saturation, and not actual muscle tissue.

Im actually going through the same thing right now. Today is 2 weeks after my last pin, and my weight has dropped a little bit each day over the last several days, and is now at 175 this morning. I'm not worried about it, as I know that the weight is water and glycogen returning to normal. It may go back up a little today since I will be having a high carb and high cal day today, but it is what it is.

Actual "muscle" gained on cycle is much lower than a lot of people think. These people that think they gained 20 lbs of muscle on a 4 week SD cycle have a lot to learn...


mich29 said:
killing it.man keep up the amazing work
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Thanks Mich!
 
Here is the link for my PCT .. new pics are here too...photographer went arty on me but I think I look pretty good for an old fugger...

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DreamWeaver said:
Here is the link for my PCT .. new pics are here too...photographer went arty on me but I think I look pretty good for an old fugger...

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I will check them out, and head to your new log buddy! :)
 
RickRock13 said:
Dropping 4-5 lbs is perfectly normal coming off of cycle. That is because the intra-cellular glycogen muscle saturation and water retention is so high on cycle, and that cannot be maintained off cycle naturally. It's also the reason that it is perfectly normal to gain 4-5 lbs in the first week of a cycle. That weight gain is just the glycogen and water reaching that muscle saturation, and not actual muscle tissue.

Im actually going through the same thing right now. Today is 2 weeks after my last pin, and my weight has dropped a little bit each day over the last several days, and is now at 175 this morning. I'm not worried about it, as I know that the weight is water and glycogen returning to normal. It may go back up a little today since I will be having a high carb and high cal day today, but it is what it is.

Actual "muscle" gained on cycle is much lower than a lot of people think. These people that think they gained 20 lbs of muscle on a 4 week SD cycle have a lot to learn...
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Haha yeah, it's funny going through logs seeing people claim there up 12 lbs in 3 weeks, they never think it could be water or fat, I didn't think I had water in me cuz I seemed very dry and I ran Forma the whole way through, and now I am leaning out at around 5-600 cals more then I was eating. But yeah that makes sense, thanks for the input.
 
RickRock13 said:
Dropping 4-5 lbs is perfectly normal coming off of cycle. That is because the intra-cellular glycogen muscle saturation and water retention is so high on cycle, and that cannot be maintained off cycle naturally. It's also the reason that it is perfectly normal to gain 4-5 lbs in the first week of a cycle. That weight gain is just the glycogen and water reaching that muscle saturation, and not actual muscle tissue.

Im actually going through the same thing right now. Today is 2 weeks after my last pin, and my weight has dropped a little bit each day over the last several days, and is now at 175 this morning. I'm not worried about it, as I know that the weight is water and glycogen returning to normal. It may go back up a little today since I will be having a high carb and high cal day today, but it is what it is.

Actual "muscle" gained on cycle is much lower than a lot of people think. These people that think they gained 20 lbs of muscle on a 4 week SD cycle have a lot to learn...





Thanks Mich!
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That's why I like to finish off with Epi-v it dries me out so I don't have any real serious loss on PCT, (well it's one of the reasons) It's when I go into bridge that I tend to start getting a bit watery again.. that kinda sucks but going to try Osta Rx for that....
 
masonmarin18 said:
Haha yeah, it's funny going through logs seeing people claim there up 12 lbs in 3 weeks, they never think it could be water or fat, I didn't think I had water in me cuz I seemed very dry and I ran Forma the whole way through, and now I am leaning out at around 5-600 cals more then I was eating. But yeah that makes sense, thanks for the input.
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Yep, its pretty unavoidable. Even if you get super dry, run low carb, and an AI on cycle....you will still be at that super saturated state with glycogen within the muscle that just realistically cannot be maintained naturally and you will return to normal saturation in PCT and go down a couple lbs.That is also how you can lose some fullness without really losing muscle or strength.

That's why so many people are so misinformed on what actual muscle tissue is gained on cycle. If you gain 6-8 lbs of real muscle on a cycle you have done well after everything is said and PCT is done. When somebody says they kept 20 of the 25 lbs they gained on cycle, I would bet my paycheck that the largest percentage of that weight is fat and water.
Of course some bigger cycles, dosages, and lengths can yield bigger returns but just talking your average cycle, the above almost always holds true ;)
 
DreamWeaver said:
That's why I like to finish off with Epi-v it dries me out so I don't have any real serious loss on PCT, (well it's one of the reasons) It's when I go into bridge that I tend to start getting a bit watery again.. that kinda sucks but going to try Osta Rx for that....
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I will have to try the EPI-V sometime. I've only heard great things about it
 
RickRock13 said:
I will have to try the EPI-V sometime. I've only heard great things about it
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I agree! Old fugger killed it on that stuff! His latest pics are insane!
 
PCT Day 4

Weight: 174 (+9)

Well, my weight has gone down more over the last couple days. I was 175 yesterday, and 174 this morning. I have mixed emotions about it, but it is expected I guess. I just hope my weight doesn't fall anymore, as I'd like to level off at this weight of 174-175. So, hopefully the water is pretty much gone and there will be no more weight loss. To help things, I'm increasing cals more and not really having any "burn" days right now. I still may do some cardio of just walking on my normal burn days, but the cals will be at maintenance or slightly above for now. Today is a burn day normally but im doing no cardio, and eating quite a bit more.

I'm probably letting it bother me much more than I should, since my normal weight at the end of cycle was around 177, and I'm only 3 lbs less. With losing water and glycogen, I should expect to be this or maybe even a little more, though I hope I don't. At any rate, I'm hoping recovery will be quick and as smooth as can be.

I'm very curious to see where my test levels are with bloodwork here in a few weeks. I'm getting very close to 40, and I have to accept the possibility that TRT could be a better option for me. I already have all the kids I'm going to, so it wouldn't break my heart to go that route. It would certainly make cycling a thing of the past, and would be more blast and cruise from there. I still want to delay it as long as ppossible if my natty levels can do the job. I want to use what god gave me as long as I'm able!

Some good news is that my strength is still through the roof, and I've at the least maintained all lifts, and even progressed a rep or so on some. I know this will get a little harder as time goes on, but for now I'm still pushing through the workouts well, and yesterday's workout shows it. It's more evidence that the weight that I have lost is all water and glycogen to this point ;)




DC Workout 1A (Chest, Shoulders, Triceps, Back width, back thickness)

Chest Press Machine (rest, pause)
340x11x6xfail (+1 rep)

DB Shoulder Press (rest, pause)
85sx12x4x2 (+1 rep)

Close grip smith Bench Press (rest, pause)
210x10x3x2 (+0 reps)

Chins (rest, pause)
BW+60x8x4x3 (+0 reps)

Tbar Rows (straight sets)
235x10 (+1 rep)
250x4 (+0 reps)
 
Rick - forgive me for not reading through the last 20 pages to try and figure it out for myself, but have you cruised yet (on DC that is)? My cycle was 12 weeks, and I made the decision to blast the entire time to take full advantage of the test. But I'll definitely tell you, by the end there were quite a few muscles (specifically my delts, although my knees felt a bit shaky as well) that felt like they were a rep away from injury. I'm taking advantage of the 2 weeks of test clearing my system to cruise, and then I can get back to lifting heavy to attempt to retain gains in PCT.

And although I know it pains you to do so, definitely keep cals high in PCT - it's the last time you want to be cutting. Eat enough to let yourself gain some minor fat, you can easily drop it after your levels are all back to normal, which is not the case for the muscle you might lose by undereating.
 
GreenEarth said:
Rick - forgive me for not reading through the last 20 pages to try and figure it out for myself, but have you cruised yet (on DC that is)? My cycle was 12 weeks, and I made the decision to blast the entire time to take full advantage of the test. But I'll definitely tell you, by the end there were quite a few muscles (specifically my delts, although my knees felt a bit shaky as well) that felt like they were a rep away from injury. I'm taking advantage of the 2 weeks of test clearing my system to cruise, and then I can get back to lifting heavy to attempt to retain gains in PCT.

And although I know it pains you to do so, definitely keep cals high in PCT - it's the last time you want to be cutting. Eat enough to let yourself gain some minor fat, you can easily drop it after your levels are all back to normal, which is not the case for the muscle you might lose by undereating.
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Week before last I didn't lift at all, so that would have helped a lot. At this point in PCT, I am aiming to cruise on DC mostly. I'm not trying to push more weight...just try and keep maintaining these lifts while I recover to keep the strength and give the joints and tendons a break.

Keeping cals high in PCT was always planned, but now I'm just making them a little higher than I originally intended. Like I said, at this point I'm not really going to have any burn days at all until I'm recovered. Loose eating daily will be nice too....lol. After PCT I already planned a sweet SARMS recomp stack with Ostarine, S4, and GW so I can afford a lb or two extra right now ;)
 
Losing the bloat obviously if you are
Maintaining strength! Plus 9 lbs is a very successful run in my eyes. Hopefully we see it stabilize right about there bro. The sarm king himself!
 
LiveToLift said:
Losing the bloat obviously if you are
Maintaining strength! Plus 9 lbs is a very successful run in my eyes. Hopefully we see it stabilize right about there bro. The sarm king himself!
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Yeh, I think I overreacted a little...lol. Being up 9-10 lbs and leaner is nothing but win. Also on another good note, my weight is back up today (175.5), and still look lean as hell :)
 
RickRock13 said:
Yeh, I think I overreacted a little...lol. Being up 9-10 lbs and leaner is nothing but win. Also on another good note, my weight is back up today (175.5), and still look lean as hell :)
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Hell ya bro! 175 and clean would be awesome! Especially at 6 percent bf! Your crazy cut man. I can't wait til I run here in November!
 
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