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jimbuick said:
I hope not.

I hate to root for the Pats, but I really don't want ATL to win.
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Robert Kraft was seen at a Sixers game, so with him trusting he Process pats will likely win.

And atl is a weird team to hate. You a funny bol James
 
rob112 said:
Robert Kraft was seen at a Sixers game, so with him trusting he Process pats will likely win.

And atl is a weird team to hate. You a funny bol James
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My brother is a falcons fan, and I really don't want to have to listen to that for the next 40 years.
 
jimbuick said:
My brother is a falcons fan, and I really don't want to have to listen to that for the next 40 years.
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Would you rather have to hear about that or have all the Brady cokblowers have another reason to say he's the GOAT?
 
jswain34 said:
Would you rather have to hear about that or have all the Brady cokblowers have another reason to say he's the GOAT?
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That is nothing new. Especially because it is easily refuted with fact.


Having to listen to my brother talk about how the falcons got a ring before the Eagles would go on for my entire life.
 
jimbuick said:
That is nothing new. Especially because it is easily refuted with fact.


Having to listen to my brother talk about how the falcons got a ring before the Eagles would go on for my entire life.
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Lol, I suppose i see your point. But, go Falcons.
 
But Brady is the GOAT. Regular season records are irrelevant if they don't translate to post season success in this day and age.

You're gonna tell me Romo is a better QB than Eli? Romo statistically ****s all over Eli. Except.... in this post season win department. You know - where it matters.
 
Woody said:
But Brady is the GOAT. Regular season records are irrelevant if they don't translate to post season success in this day and age.

You're gonna tell me Romo is a better QB than Eli? Romo statistically ****s all over Eli. Except.... in this post season win department. You know - where it matters.
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Win-Loss is a team achievement, not an individual player achievement.

Brady is remembered as clutch because when he drove into field goal range Vinatieri nailed the kick. Peyton is remembered as a posteason dud because when he drove into field goal position Vanderjagt shanked it. How is that a real representation of who is the better QB?
 
jimbuick said:
Win-Loss is a team achievement, not an individual player achievement.

Brady is remembered as clutch because when he drove into field goal range Vinatieri nailed the kick. Peyton is remembered as a posteason dud because when he drove into field goal position Vanderjagt shanked it. How is that a real representation of who is the better QB?
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I was soooo happy when the colts signed Vinatieri. You have no idea.
 
The Solution said:
If Romo goes to the Steelers. I don't know if I can be a Steelers fan anymore.
That dude takes one hit on his collarbone he will probably have to retire too!

If he is on the board Steelers should draft Watson
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Yeah y'all draft Watson and let NYG have Patty Matty.
 
rugger48 said:
Lol 7 sbs and how many afc championships.

But manning could audible, and throw more TDs, and have a higher career completion rating, and more career passing yards, and higher average passing yards per game, greater impact on team success, higher postseason QBR, higher postseason YPA, higher postseason completion percentage, etc.
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FTFY.
 
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These two are dominant together. Perfect QB/Coach Duo.


Also JPP looking for tons of money which means we will probably lose him
 
Mowglisml said:
Agreed! but we have Laundry Jones! lol
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Who looks as bad as Mike Vick when he comes in.....
The Steelers have not had a good backup QB in years...
Like i have been saying we need to invest in one, and let them develop under Ben, but if Ben decides to call it quits with a few years left on his contract, then we need some Young blood to come in, or do some serious trading in the FA Market.
 
The Solution said:
Who looks as bad as Mike Vick when he comes in.....
The Steelers have not had a good backup QB in years...
Like i have been saying we need to invest in one, and let them develop under Ben, but if Ben decides to call it quits with a few years left on his contract, then we need some Young blood to come in, or do some serious trading in the FA Market.
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Depending on who they pick up ATM I don't see any decent FA on the market so I would say go for young blood
 
rugger48 said:
Uh huh


I suppose he did the blocking and catching to
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That's weird. When I post Peyton's QB stats compared to Brady's you say he didn't do it himself, but then you use SB wins to claim that TB is better? Did Brady do all of the blocking, catching, defending, kicking, and rushing during those wins?
 
rob112 said:
Also JPP looking for tons of money which means we will probably lose him
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Not sure if I'd rather JPP or Hankins. We may lose both. Thankfully it's a great draft for DL. We have Pugh, OBJ, and Richburg needing deals. If we can get a LT in FA I think we're in good position come draft day.
 
Woody said:
Not sure if I'd rather JPP or Hankins. We may lose both. Thankfully it's a great draft for DL. We have Pugh, OBJ, and Richburg needing deals. If we can get a LT in FA I think we're in good position come draft day.
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Yea it sucks because we set the bar with Vernon, but at the same time JPP has to know that he has been hurt in some form or fashion a lot. Back, hand, oblique...I love the dude and he is a force, but man that's tough. And you're right, Hankins is a huge part of the defensive success!
 
jimbuick said:
That's weird. When I post Peyton's QB stats compared to Brady's you say he didn't do it himself, but then you use SB wins to claim that TB is better? Did Brady do all of the blocking, catching, defending, kicking, and rushing during those wins?
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when you go 7 times and make the afc championship game over half you career it stops being luck.


keep try man. chris Hogan says he is a hofer
 
Saints GM Mickey Loomis agrees with Drew Brees, says no rush to sign new deal
Brees, who turned 38 earlier this month, looked as good in 2016 as he has in five years, again leading the NFL in passing yards (with 5,208).

However, it doesn't sound as though there is any urgency from Brees or the Saints to discuss a long-term contract extension as he again heads into the final year of his deal.

FOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick said Tuesday that his staff is "deep in the middle" of studying the Atlanta Falcons in preparation for Super Bowl LI, and it didn't take long for one thing to stand out to him.

"The thing I notice most is just the team speed the Falcons have. They're either as fast, or faster, than probably what the average speed of their position is in the league," Belichick said. "They look like they're faster than almost every team they play."

It sounds like Jets coach Todd Bowles is targeting a specific candidate for the offensive-coordinator vacancy. "I'm pretty sure where I'm going," he told Newsday and NJ.com at the Senior Bowl. He interviewed Saints WRs coach John Morton last week and there's interest in former Texans OC George Godsey.


MOBILE, Ala. -- Clemson coach Dabo Swinney gave the ultimate endorsement Tuesday to his quarterback, Deshaun Watson, as he heads into the NFL draft process.

"I'm just telling you, if they pass on Deshaun Watson, they're passing on Michael Jordan," Swinney said during the first day of Senior Bowl practices. "I'm just telling you. I don't know what the heck I'm talking about; I'm just an old funky college coach. But Deshaun Watson is the best, by a long shot."
 
rugger48 said:
when you go 7 times and make the afc championship game over half you career it stops being luck.


keep try man. chris Hogan says he is a hofer
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You don't read very well, do you?

Nobody ever said TB is not a good QB, but he isn't the greatest to ever play. There is a whole lot more to winning the SB than your QB.

You also cannot logically say that Peyton's stats are the results of other players, but Tom Brady won the SB all by himself.

The fact is: when it comes to QB numbers, Manning absolutely destroys Brady in almost every category.
 
jimbuick said:
You don't read very well, do you?

Nobody ever said TB is not a good QB, but he isn't the greatest to ever play. There is a whole lot more to winning the SB than your QB.

You also cannot logically say that Peyton's stats are the results of other players, but Tom Brady won the SB all by himself.

The fact is: when it comes to QB numbers, Manning absolutely destroys Brady in almost every category.
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name a a better receiver trio that play together the length of time that wayne,harrison, and clark played together?


your stats don't tell the picture you think they do. I can easily say that peyton stats are because he had better receivers in his career through his career, brady had so many different receivers its not even funny. 7 sbs, ya total luck

manning comp is 1.5% better than brady's that's 5 more pass completions a season manning had than brady, woooooooooooooooo ya much better that's like 90 extra pass completions over the course of a career


td:int ratio manning is barely 2:1 in regular season football . Brady's td:ints ratio is 3:1 during the regular season. mmmmmmmmmmmm guess that doesn't help, tds don't count though.

I don't even want to start on playoffs, well because you know, 7 sb appearances and all, with 10+ afc championships appearances just don't count.


guess you think favre was a better qb to., theres a reason when you start talking about3,4 sb +appearance for a qb the name are HOF names.

Brady has 7, were not talking about 1 off sb appearances, were talking about 7 sb appearances over the course of a 17 year career.

By the way, just so were clear I'm a steelers fan and I'm making this argument.


please stop.
 
rugger48 said:
name a a better receiver trio that play together the length of time that wayne,harrison, and clark played together?


your stats don't tell the picture you think they do. I can easily say that peyton stats are because he had better receivers in his career through his career, brady had so many different receivers its not even funny. 7 sbs, ya total luck

manning comp is 1.5% better than brady's that's 5 more pass completions a season manning had than brady, woooooooooooooooo ya much better that's like 90 extra pass completions over the course of a career


td:int ratio manning is barely 2:1 in regular season football . Brady's td:ints ratio is 3:1 during the regular season. mmmmmmmmmmmm guess that doesn't help, tds don't count though.

I don't even want to start on playoffs, well because you know, 7 sb appearances and all, with 10+ afc championships appearances just don't count.


guess you think favre was a better qb to., theres a reason when you staret talk about3,4 sb +appearance for a qb the name are HOF names.

Brady has 7, were not talking about 1 off sb appearance, were talking about 7 sb appearance over the course of a 17 year career.

By the way, just so were clear I'm a steelers fan and I'm making this argument.


please stop.
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It's simple really. If anyone would take Manning over Brady with the game on the line, they dont understand football beyond the fantasy stat sheets.

Manning is great and always will be, but to belittle Brady and say Manning is better makes no sense
 
Bartmac36 said:
It's simple really. If anyone would take Manning over Brady with the game on the line, they dont understand football beyond the fantasy stat sheets.

Manning is great and always will be, but to belittle Brady and say Manning is better makes no sense
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I would 100% take Manning over Brady. Manning's success came on a team that could not do better than a 2-14 record without him. Brady's came on a roster than went 11-5 without him. When Manning played with a legitimately talented team (Broncos) they had one of the greatest offenses of all time.

rugger48 said:
name a a better receiver trio that play together the length of time that wayne,harrison, and clark played together?


your stats don't tell the picture you think they do. I can easily say that peyton stats are because he had better receivers in his career through his career, brady had so many different receivers its not even funny. 7 sbs, ya total luck

manning comp is 1.5% better than brady's that's 5 more pass completions a season manning had than brady, woooooooooooooooo ya much better that's like 90 extra pass completions over the course of a career


td:int ratio manning is barely 2:1 in regular season football . Brady's td:ints ratio is 3:1 during the regular season. mmmmmmmmmmmm guess that doesn't help, tds don't count though.

I don't even want to start on playoffs, well because you know, 7 sb appearances and all, with 10+ afc championships appearances just don't count.


guess you think favre was a better qb to., theres a reason when you start talking about3,4 sb +appearance for a qb the name are HOF names.

Brady has 7, were not talking about 1 off sb appearances, were talking about 7 sb appearances over the course of a 17 year career.

By the way, just so were clear I'm a steelers fan and I'm making this argument.


please stop.
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Randy Moss, Aaron Hernandez, Rob Gronkowski, Wes Welker, and Julian Edelman were all on the same roster. That's a pretty solid group of receivers/TEs. Especially because Moss was the best receiver since Rice and Gronkowski may be the greatest tight end to ever play.

You're right though, Brady definitely does it all himself.

I'm going to try to understand: Manning has better numbers because of his team being better, but Brady has more wins because he does it all himself? Right?

When it comes to playoff QB numbers, they are nearly equal in all categories. Manning slightly edges Brady out in QBR, YPA, and completion %. (Maybe more, but I can't recall off the top of my head)

What do you mean TDs don't count? I mentioned TDs. Manning has thrown far more TDs than Brady.

Who said Brady was a 1-off SB contender? Are you inferring that Manning was? He went to 4 himself if I'm not mistaken.

Want to know another HOF name? Peyton Manning. A guaranteed first ballot hall of famer. Why do you keep bringing up the HOF as if Manning isn't going to be in it and Brady is?

By the way, just so we're clear, I'm an Eagles fan and I'm making this argument (significantly better than you are, btw).

Please stop.
 
List of top 7 offenses based upon: offensive points scored, yards, point scoring breakdown (rush/pass/field goal), 1st downs, team record, turnovers, and season rankings.

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You'll see Manning on there twice (once with Broncos, once with Colts) and you'll also notice that the Manning Broncos were ranked number 1 overall and led the points scored, passing TDs, yards, and first downs over the Patriots best offensive season. Oh yeah, and that is with one game still left in the season at the time of that writing.


Along with Peyton Manning holding the huge majority of QB records, and the second highest single season QBR of all time with a 121.1 (Rodgers has #1 with 122.5).
 
Bartmac36 said:
It's simple really. If anyone would take Manning over Brady with the game on the line, they dont understand football beyond the fantasy stat sheets.

Manning is great and always will be, but to belittle Brady and say Manning is better makes no sense
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Manning has more 4th quarter comebacks over his career than Brady. Manning is the current leader in 4th quarter comeback wins in NFL history.
 
jimbuick said:
Manning has more 4th quarter comebacks over his career than Brady. Manning is the current leader in 4th quarter comeback wins in NFL history.
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I'm curious as to how much of that is because Brady is rarely down in the 4th quarter. I'd be curious to see some sort of percent comparison.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
I'm curious as to how much of that is because Brady is rarely down in the 4th quarter. I'd be curious to see some sort of percent comparison.
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That's certainly possible, I only mention it because of the notion that Brady is "clutch" in engineering 4th quarter comebacks and that Manning is not capable of doing that.

When you start trying to split the number like that it gets a lot more difficult to compare. Then you have to look at defensive rankings, offensive rankings for opponents, etc.

The fact is, Manning engineered more 4th quarter comeback drives to win games than Brady did. A guy who isn't "clutch," or who you "can't trust when the game is on the line," can't do that.
 
name a a better receiver trio that play together the length of time that wayne,harrison, and clark played together?


I'm going to try to understand: Manning has better numbers because of his team being better, but Brady has more wins because he does it all himself? Right?
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no he had a better offensive pieces around him for longer time. Harrison,wayne and clark will be all hofer who played together with manning for how long, great offense with crappy defense puts up points New Orleans,RAMS WERE/ARE A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THAT.

What do you mean TDs don't count? I mentioned TDs. Manning has thrown far more TDs than Brady.
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yes and brady has a better td:int ratio. He trew 100 less interception than manning.


Who said Brady was a 1-off SB contender? Are you inferring that Manning was? He went to 4 himself if I'm not mistaken.
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I said look at the names who go to multiple SBs as the numbers gets higher you get much better qbs. I'm not saying manning isn't a great qb, but discounting 7 sb appearance with different offensive talent around through his career is ridiculous.
 
name a a better receiver trio that play together the length of time that wayne,harrison, and clark played together?

Feel free to answer this question better this time.
 
jimbuick said:
List of top 7 offenses based upon: offensive points scored, yards, point scoring breakdown (rush/pass/field goal), 1st downs, team record, turnovers, and season rankings.

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You'll see Manning on there twice (once with Broncos, once with Colts) and you'll also notice that the Manning Broncos were ranked number 1 overall and led the points scored, passing TDs, yards, and first downs over the Patriots best offensive season. Oh yeah, and that is with one game still left in the season at the time of that writing.


Along with Peyton Manning holding the huge majority of QB records, and the second highest single season QBR of all time with a 121.1 (Rodgers has #1 with 122.5).
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nice manip of stats. Brady has a higher career qb rating than manning, but it means nothing its by 2%. Jesus how many more times you going try and spin it. bradys single season high 117. oops 4 % on a qb rating in one season? dude really.
 
rugger48 said:
name a a better receiver trio that play together the length of time that wayne,harrison, and clark played together?
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I can't, because I don't know how long those guys even played together.

I do know a few things though. Manning never had as talented of a roster for a single season that Brady had those years with those guys I mentioned. Worth mentioning, Brady didn't put up better numbers with those guys than Manning did with his receivers.

I'll also use your own logic here. Did those receivers make Manning great or did he make them great? Welker had one of his best seasons ever with the Manning Broncos. He caught more TDs with Manning than he ever did in a season with Brady IIRC.



no he had a better offensive piece around him for longer time. Harrison,wayne and clark will be all hofer who played together with brady for how long, great offense with crappy defense puts up points New Orleans,raMS WERE/ARE A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THAT.
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Then why did his offense play so poorly without him when Brady's offense still played well with Cassel at QB?

Is that because of how little talent the NE offense had, or was it the sheer amount of talent on the Colts roster?


Up to 2014, Pats never won a SB with a lower defensive rank than 8th.

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They also had the number 1 defense once, and the number 2 once. Those are some terrible defenses, you're right.

Oh, and just so you know, when Manning won with the Colts they had the 23rd ranked defense. You're right though, Brady's teams were waaaay worse.

yes and brady has a better td:int ratio. He trew 100 less interception than manning.
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Very true. Too bad the rest of the stats are important too.
 
rugger48 said:
nice manip of stats. Brady has a higher career qb rating than manning, but it means nothing its by 2%. Jesus how many more times you going try and spin it. bradys single season high 117. oops 4 % on a qb rating in one season? dude really.
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Oh, so one number is only bigger if it's way bigger. Got it.

Higher number is a higher number. If it was that easy to have a higher single season QBR than Manning, Brady would have done it.

You're also acting like I'm saying Manning is so much greater than Brady. I'm not saying Brady is some kind of bum.

I'm saying Manning is the better QB, and the numbers support that assertion. You're arguing that Brady is better because Manning's numbers are only a little better than Brady's which somehow makes Manning the worse QB?
 
jimbuick said:
Oh, so one number is only bigger if it's way bigger. Got it.

Higher number is a higher number. If it was that easy to have a higher single season QBR than Manning, Brady would have done it.

You're also acting like I'm saying Manning is so much greater than Brady. I'm not saying Brady is some kind of bum.

I'm saying Manning is the better QB, and the numbers support that assertion. You're arguing that Brady is better because Manning's numbers are only a little better than Brady's which somehow makes Manning the worse QB?
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no I'm argueing that brady 7 sb appearance separate them.


Higher number is a higher number. If it was that easy to have a higher single season QBR than Manning, Brady would have done it.
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No, he did do it for the same 17 years that manning did, you pulling one season out of your ass and telling me that part of the reason that manning is better than brady, when brady has the better qb rating for his career. Your also telling me that 1.5 career % is another reason when in reality it means nothing over the course of a career. your also tell me that manning threw more tds with out considering the idea that manning also threw more ints a 100 more.
 
if we were talking about 3 maybe you would you get more credit, but 7 over the course of a 17 year career and with different offensive pices through out his career. Next your going to tell me Hogan is a HOFer
 
There is a reason they keep track of career and single season. They are different stats. One highlights the average, the other shows the peak.


I listed off a huge amount of stats that Brady does not quite match up in. You claim the difference isn't large enough to matter. However, you later come back and say the .7 difference in career QBR is significant right after saying the 4 point difference in single season isn't big enough?

Go to your local community college, sign up for Logic I, and come back after the semester and we'll continue this.

I have brought multiple stats (yards, TDs, completion pct, postseason numbers, etc.), you have brought 2 stats (int and career QBR) along with a suspect claim of the talent of the rosters.

You have been proven wrong time and time again about SB appearances, offensive rankings, defensive rankings, etc. If you want to try to debate come back with some supporting facts or don't come back at all.
 
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