11-oxo 2023 recommendation?

dghound42

dghound42

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A long time ago I used the original Ergopharm 11-oxo and had unbelievable results. I want to use this again and am not sure which brand to trust. This stuff worked wonders for me back in 2009.

Here are the ones I’m considering:
1. Brawn 11-andro
2. PureRawz 11-oxo
3. CoreLabsX 11-oxo
4. Predatory Labs 11-oxo
5. Prototype Nutrition 11oxo

Does anyone have any recommendations?

Thanks for the help!
 
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composner said:
OP I have a lot of transdermal 11 keto from a universally trusted company that I'm looking to sell. 11 oxo metabolizes into 11 keto and transdermal makes it more bioavailable. There's basically no more 11 oxo or 11 keto on the market that I would trust as stated above. DM me if you're interested.
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This is the direction I would take. Even if some of the 11-oxo on the market is legit, the prices of those products makes them unappealing. I would consider 600 mg a minimun dose and if it's the only anabolic in your cycle, then I would do 1 g and up.
 
composner said:
I see. Yea with all due respect to PA, 50mg sublingual 11oxo is just not gonna do much at all
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In my experience, the original ergopharm oral product worked much better than any of the 11-KT transdermal I have used.

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Iconic formulations or iron legion is only legit source in the United States. Anyone that's telling you different is lying or misinformed. Iconic formulations is a very high quality company, everything they make is top notch!
 
I'm referring to 11-ketotestosterone. 11oxo is 1 step pro hormone that converts to 11-keto. 11oxo is not even mass produced in China since 2018 to my knowledge based on my internet research and searching. 11-keto is superior to 11oxo
 
dvw said:
I'm referring to 11-ketotestosterone. 11oxo is 1 step pro hormone that converts to 11-keto. 11oxo is not even mass produced in China since 2018 to my knowledge based on my internet research and searching. 11-keto is superior to 11oxo
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up until a few months ago the RAWs to make these were not even available. when APEX got word, they could get some they looked into it. It would be far too expensive, and thus we DQ'ed our 11keto product. I was pretty shocked to see that PA was sell oxo ... must have different starting RAWs. idk. maybe he is able to make it himself in some other way.

I will say this, while I agree with you implicitly on the strength of 11 keto vs oxo, I have over the yrs seen a ton of people who say they like oxo better. Just shows how we are all different and what works for you and me may not for others.
 
I'm referring to 11-ketotestosterone. 11oxo is 1 step pro hormone that converts to 11-keto. 11oxo is not even mass produced in China since 2018 to my knowledge based on my internet research and searching. 11-keto is superior to 11oxo
xR1pp3Rx said:
up until a few months ago the RAWs to make these were not even available. when APEX got word, they could get some they looked into it. It would be far too expensive, and thus we DQ'ed our 11keto product. I was pretty shocked to see that PA was sell oxo ... must have different starting RAWs. idk. maybe he is able to make it himself in some other way.

I will say this, while I agree with you implicitly on the strength of 11 keto vs oxo, I have over the yrs seen a ton of people who say they like oxo better. Just shows how we are all different and what works for you and me may not for others.
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I also have seen many people say 11oxo was better for muscle and strength gainz. It's just to damn expensive to run at 1000mg for 6- 8 week's. My personal experience is less than 450mg daily is absolutely worthless for actual size or strength gainz. But lower than 450mg can illicit noticable fat loss but no size added or fullness. I believe it used be $180 to run 11oxo on the lower dosage run
 
dghound42 said:
A long time ago I used the original Ergopharm 11-oxo and had unbelievable results. I want to use this again and am not sure which brand to trust. This stuff worked wonders for me back in 2009.

Here are the ones I’m considering:
1. Brawn 11-andro
2. PureRawz 11-oxo
3. CoreLabsX 11-oxo
4. Predatory Labs 11-oxo
5. Prototype Nutrition 11oxo

Does anyone have any recommendations?

Thanks for the help!
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i have taken brawn. it didnt do anything noticeable at all
 
Thanks everyone for the help! I am about to make an order with Prototype. I see it says 50mg active per dose. I am trying to figure out how many doses per bottle. I shot their support an email.
 
I pulled the trigger and bought 4 bottles to start. This is the first week. Starting at 225 mg then will increase.

Was thinking about running epiandro with it as well. What do you guys think?

Also, any recommendations on PCT?
 
dghound42 said:
I pulled the trigger and bought 4 bottles to start. This is the first week. Starting at 225 mg then will increase.

Was thinking about running epiandro with it as well. What do you guys think?

Also, any recommendations on PCT?
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I think they should go pretty well together. If your test production gets meaningfully suppressed, then you'll obviously run in to low estrogen issues, though.

11-oxo/11-KT and Epiandro are both one of the few hormonal products I would personally be ok without a proper PCT, but stacking them and if running them at a high dose can change things. It's one of those things, where only bloodwork would tell.

If you're in the US, you could order Enclomiphene from MA Research. Enclo is very nice, would recommend.
 
KvanH said:
I think they should go pretty well together. If your test production gets meaningfully suppressed, then you'll obviously run in to low estrogen issues, though.

11-oxo/11-KT and Epiandro are both one of the few hormonal products I would personally be ok without a proper PCT, but stacking them and if running them at a high dose can change things. It's one of those things, where only bloodwork would tell.

If you're in the US, you could order Enclomiphene from MA Research. Enclo is very nice, would recommend.
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looks like they are out of stock. Any other recommendations?
 
dghound42 said:
looks like they are out of stock. Any other recommendations?
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Well, Nolva and Clomid should work fine as well. I just prefer Enclo over Nolva for test production recovery and Clomid can induce mental sides for some users. MA should have both of those as well.

You can follow and ask about Enclo restock in this thread, if you'd like:
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KvanH said:
Well, Nolva and Clomid should work fine as well. I just prefer Enclo over Nolva for test production recovery and Clomid can induce mental sides for some users. MA should have both of those as well.

You can follow and ask about Enclo restock in this thread, if you'd like:
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Enclo should be back in stock fairly soon. Mike ordered a lot more this time lol
 
Prototypes 11 oxo is for daily use, it works well at this. Their 11 spray is pretty strong stuff, shrunk my balls 😞. One I enjoyed the most was sup3r 11
 
dvw said:
Iconic formulations or iron legion is only legit source in the United States. Anyone that's telling you different is lying or misinformed. Iconic formulations is a very high quality company, everything they make is top notch!
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there both legit. I am running iconics 11k right now good stuff on 6 weeks was thinking maybe 8 not sure
 
ch1ckendinn3r said:
Prototypes 11 oxo is for daily use, it works well at this. Their 11 spray is pretty strong stuff, shrunk my balls 😞. One I enjoyed the most was sup3r 11
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prototypes new version is delta 1,4 11ketotestosterone, basically 11keto boldenone. no real overt anabolic/androgenic effect for me but slight increase in muscle fullness and kept my waist tight, . feels similar to most other 11hsd inhibitors such as 11-oxo and regular 11ketotestosterone. downside is cost,, about 120 bucks before shipping/tax. i think i ran 3 or 4 back to back bottles. i feel their regular UR spray(ursolic acid) is better for fatloss/ keeping me lean at only 50 bucks a bottle
 
lanky said:
prototypes new version is delta 1,4 11ketotestosterone, basically 11keto boldenone. no real overt anabolic/androgenic effect for me but slight increase in muscle fullness and kept my waist tight, . feels similar to most other 11hsd inhibitors such as 11-oxo and regular 11ketotestosterone. downside is cost,, about 120 bucks before shipping/tax. i think i ran 3 or 4 back to back bottles. i feel their regular UR spray(ursolic acid) is better for fatloss/ keeping me lean at only 50 bucks a bottle
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I’m using their 11 oxo daily for this, good stuff
 
i did have my test levels checked while taking this and there was no significant change was within about a 20ng/dl difference
 
There’s a few recent studies on 11 kt and 11 kdht saying it’s quite a potent androgen, it enlarged my prostate when I was on it
 
lanky said:
prototypes new version is delta 1,4 11ketotestosterone, basically 11keto boldenone. no real overt anabolic/androgenic effect for me but slight increase in muscle fullness and kept my waist tight, . feels similar to most other 11hsd inhibitors such as 11-oxo and regular 11ketotestosterone. downside is cost,, about 120 bucks before shipping/tax. i think i ran 3 or 4 back to back bottles. i feel their regular UR spray(ursolic acid) is better for fatloss/ keeping me lean at only 50 bucks a bottle
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Nice I was looking at the UA spray … using icon11 right now 2.5 ml a day def noticeable
 
Haterank74 said:
Nice I was looking at the UA spray … using icon11 right now 2.5 ml a day def noticeable
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i found both to be similar in effect. would be nice to see someone else who has tried both and get their views. i think i have gone through about 5 or 6 bottles of icon11 over the years
 
lanky said:
i found both to be similar in effect. would be nice to see someone else who has tried both and get their views. i think i have gone through about 5 or 6 bottles of icon11 over the years
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Icon11 or ultra11 I use the droppers easier to apply for me .. have you used 11 ultra ?
 
Haterank74 said:
Icon11 or ultra11 I use the droppers easier to apply for me .. have you used 11 ultra ?
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i have not used ultra 11, the gel from iconic is a little harsh on my skin in the summer months, somewhat tolerable in colder weather when i dont have sun exposure on my torso
 
lanky said:
i have not used ultra 11, the gel from iconic is a little harsh on my skin in the summer months, somewhat tolerable in colder weather when i dont have sun exposure on my torso
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I don't believe the gel or whatever is the same in all there products. For example, the epiandro gave me a mild irritation on any area with thin skin but ive put dermacrine everywhere and never had a issue. So maybe it's a different transdermal or maybe one compound is just rougher on the skin
 
lanky said:
i have not used ultra 11, the gel from iconic is a little harsh on my skin in the summer months, somewhat tolerable in colder weather when i dont have sun exposure on my torso
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If that’s the case use iron legions or icon 11 the salvo carrier in my personal opinion is way easier on skin . Both are the exact same product Icon11/ legions KT formula and dosage 85mg per ml
 
Smont said:
I don't believe the gel or whatever is the same in all there products. For example, the epiandro gave me a mild irritation on any area with thin skin but ive put dermacrine everywhere and never had a issue. So maybe it's a different transdermal or maybe one compound is just rougher on the skin
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i think i tried 2 different products with the gel, epiandro and 3-ad, i think i tried another but cant remember for sure
 
Haterank74 said:
If that’s the case use iron legions or icon 11 the salvo carrier in my personal opinion is way easier on skin . Both are the exact same product Icon11/ legions KT formula and dosage 85mg per ml
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salvo is definitely easier on my skin
 
If people are looking for the Cortisol control aspect, AET-50 is worth considering. Not quite as anabolic but still a solid option for Cortisol.
 
nostrum420 said:
If people are looking for the Cortisol control aspect, AET-50 is worth considering. Not quite as anabolic but still a solid option for Cortisol.
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↑ This is a regular for me. ↑
Outstanding Cortisol control agent.
 
Haterank74 said:
how did you dose it? im adding it into a already decent run.. i was thinking 2ml AM application along with my other stuff for alittle boost
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most of the salvo products i ran between 1-2/ml's daily. only one i really went higher was pregnenolone
 
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