Cut: Havoc Epi + Prototype 11oxo + prototype DHEA ?

[Jmlift]

How does this sound for a cut cycle?
Too much?

Ive never done a PH outside of 11-kt and oxo.

I was thinking Epi at 20-30 per day. 4-6wks and I’ll get Torem.


Thank you

 

[Smont]

Which ones of these have you previously used? Because I wouldn't go stacking a bunch of stuff I never used before or you got no way to tell what drugs are causing what side effects and how to manage the side effects

 

[Jmlift]

Which ones of these have you previously used? Because I wouldn't go stacking a bunch of stuff I never used before or you got no way to tell what drugs are causing what side effects and how to manage the side effects

Valid.

I’ve taken oxo a bunch. Thats it.

Maybe I should run the Epi first then end with oxo to keep leaning out.

 

[Smont]

Ok I just read it again. If prototype dhea is 4 andro then it looks like a decent little cycle. Epi at 20mg, 11 at whatever dose you previously used and 200-300 4 andro. Probably 5-6 weeks tops on epistane

 

[Smont]

Valid.

I’ve taken oxo a bunch. Thats it.

Maybe I should run the Epi first then end with oxo to keep leaning out.

No, epistane is 10x stronger then 11oxo. Start with ste weaker drugs. Otherwise you finish your cycle on less gear then you started and that's counter productive

 

[Smont]

You could do something like 11oxo and 4 andro for 8 weeks and add epistane the last 5

 

[Jmlift]

No, epistane is 10x stronger then 11oxo. Start with ste weaker drugs. Otherwise you finish your cycle on less gear then you started and that's counter productive

Roger that. Thank you.

Here is the DHEA: https://prototypenutrition.com/products/new-dhea-essential-adrenals

 

[Jmlift]

It isn’t 4-DHEA. straight up DHEA

 

[botk1161]

It isn’t 4-DHEA. straight up DHEA

Roger that. Thank you.

Here is the DHEA: https://prototypenutrition.com/products/new-dhea-essential-adrenals

4-DHEA is not DHEA. You want 4 DHEA (4 Andro). I prefer topcial. I think there are only two choices at the moment. Alpha Gainz or Iron Mag Labs.

 

[Jmlift]

4-DHEA is not DHEA. You want 4 DHEA (4 Andro). I prefer topcial. I think there are only two choices at the moment. Alpha Gainz or Iron Mag Labs.

Correct.

So I’d rather just do Epi and oxo

 

[KvanH]

4-DHEA is not DHEA. You want 4 DHEA (4 Andro). I prefer topcial. I think there are only two choices at the moment. Alpha Gainz or Iron Mag Labs.

Alpha Gainz hasn't produced 4-Andro in quite some time anymore (lisensing issue), but maybe some can still be found somewhere. To my knowledge IML is the only brand still producing transdermal 4-Andro.

 

[KvanH]

Correct.

So I’d rather just do Epi and oxo

No, you'll run into low test and even more so to low estro issues, especially with the Epistane's anti estrogenic effect. Definitely have the DHEA in. Oral DHEA has a low bioavailability and a short half life, so transdermal would be better, IMO. Apex Alchemy and Iconic Formulations have high quality TD DHEA products. 4-Andro would be better though, like has been said above.

 

[botk1161]

Alpha Gainz hasn't produced 4-Andro in quite some time anymore (lisensing issue), but maybe some can still be found somewhere. To my knowledge IML is the only brand still producing transdermal 4-Andro.

Flexit has it and it seems a number of other retailers do as well.

 

[Jmlift]

No, you'll run into low test and even more so to low estro issues, especially with the Epistane's anti estrogenic effect. Definitely have the DHEA in. Oral DHEA has a low bioavailability and a short half life, so transdermal would be better, IMO. Apex Alchemy and Iconic Formulations have high quality TD DHEA products. 4-Andro would be better though, like has been said above.

Thanks

TD off the table for me right now with newborn around the corner. I hear you on the bioavailability but I think Patrick Arnold’s prototype stuff is known to have better bioavailability …

it sounds like you are saying use the the DHEA I have if I don’t go out and get a 4DHEA

 

[KvanH]

Thanks

TD off the table for me right now with newborn around the corner. I hear you on the bioavailability but I think Patrick Arnold’s prototype stuff is known to have better bioavailability …

it sounds like you are saying use the the DHEA I have if I don’t go out and get a 4DHEA

Yes, definitely have at least DHEA in, since I take it you're not going to pin test. Hard rock supplements has a decent oral 4-Andro as well.

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[Smont]

Roger that. Thank you.

Here is the DHEA: https://prototypenutrition.com/products/new-dhea-essential-adrenals

Dude, that's plain old dhea, you can get a bottle for $5-8 this product is a scam if it's being marked like a anabolic. Don't waste your money on that, it's not gonna do much if anything and with plain dhea. You want 4 dhea or 4 andro. The stuff you are looking it is overpriced to the equivalent of spending $45 on a gallon of milk online when the grocery store has it for $5

 

[Jmlift]

Dude, that's plain old dhea, you can get a bottle for $5-8 this product is a scam if it's being marked like a anabolic. Don't waste your money on that, it's not gonna do much if anything and with plain dhea. You want 4 dhea or 4 andro. The stuff you are looking it is overpriced to the equivalent of spending $45 on a gallon of milk online when the grocery store has it for $5

I understand that. It’s not being marketed as an anabolic at all. The misunderstanding is on my part, not the company.

So I can grab something like https://supplementwarehouse.com/products/androdiol

 

[Smont]

I understand that. It’s not being marketed as an anabolic at all. The misunderstanding is on my part, not the company.

So I can grab something like https://supplementwarehouse.com/products/androdiol

Regardless, It's still a scam charging $45 for dhea.

DHEA 100 mg 60 Capsules | DHEA Supplements| Puritan's Pride

Buy DHEA 100 mg 60 Capsules & other DHEA Supplements. DHEA (Dehydroepiandrosterone) is made by the adrenal glands, which are located just above the kidneys and liver. Levels of DHEA can decline with age. Adults can take one capsule daily.

www.puritan.com

Swanson, DHEA, High Potency, 25 mg , 30 Capsules

<ul><li>Hormone Balance</li><li>25 mg Per Capsule</li><li>Dietary Supplement</li></ul><p>Rediscover your zest for life with the age-defying hormonal support of Swanson DHEA! A precursor to both estrogen and testosterone, DHEA delivers a wide range of rejuvenating benefits for men and women, from...

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Just showing how cheap dhea is.

Look for andro the giant or some transdermal 4 andro.

Even oral 4 andro


Oral 200-400mg+
TD 100-300+

 

[Jmlift]

Regardless, It's still a scam charging $45 for dhea.

DHEA 100 mg 60 Capsules | DHEA Supplements| Puritan's Pride

Buy DHEA 100 mg 60 Capsules & other DHEA Supplements. DHEA (Dehydroepiandrosterone) is made by the adrenal glands, which are located just above the kidneys and liver. Levels of DHEA can decline with age. Adults can take one capsule daily.

www.puritan.com

Swanson, DHEA, High Potency, 25 mg , 30 Capsules

<ul><li>Hormone Balance</li><li>25 mg Per Capsule</li><li>Dietary Supplement</li></ul><p>Rediscover your zest for life with the age-defying hormonal support of Swanson DHEA! A precursor to both estrogen and testosterone, DHEA delivers a wide range of rejuvenating benefits for men and women, from...

www.iherb.com

Just showing how cheap dhea is.

Look for andro the giant or some transdermal 4 andro.

Even oral 4 andro


Oral 200-400mg+
TD 100-300+

I hear you dude. I appreciate all the input.

I think over the years Patrick Arnold had an incredible reputation of making the highest quality / highest bioavailability possible but anyway haha. I get it. Thank you. I’ll take that alone some other time as a general “aging” supplement and see if it helps.

 

[Smont]

I hear you dude. I appreciate all the input.

I think over the years Patrick Arnold had an incredible reputation of making the highest quality / highest bioavailability possible but anyway haha. I get it. Thank you. I’ll take that alone some other time as a general “aging” supplement and see if it helps.

Dhea? Patrick Arnold made s lot of good stuff bit there's not much to do with plain dhea and I don't see why he would even bother

 

[botk1161]

I understand that. It’s not being marketed as an anabolic at all. The misunderstanding is on my part, not the company.

So I can grab something like https://supplementwarehouse.com/products/androdiol

Keep in mind you need about 300mg per day so this bottle will last about 15 days.

 

[Jmlift]

Year.

Dhea? Patrick Arnold made s lot of good stuff bit there's not much to do with plain dhea and I don't see why he would even bother

yea. His company is prototype nutrition.

 

[Stacks1]

Not a bad cycle. I'm not the biggest fan of epistane but tons of people love it. And like was said, IML makes really good TDs, so if you want to go with TD 4-DHEA, they are a great choice.

 

[Jmlift]

Regardless, It's still a scam charging $45 for dhea.

DHEA 100 mg 60 Capsules | DHEA Supplements| Puritan's Pride

Buy DHEA 100 mg 60 Capsules & other DHEA Supplements. DHEA (Dehydroepiandrosterone) is made by the adrenal glands, which are located just above the kidneys and liver. Levels of DHEA can decline with age. Adults can take one capsule daily.

www.puritan.com

Swanson, DHEA, High Potency, 25 mg , 30 Capsules

<ul><li>Hormone Balance</li><li>25 mg Per Capsule</li><li>Dietary Supplement</li></ul><p>Rediscover your zest for life with the age-defying hormonal support of Swanson DHEA! A precursor to both estrogen and testosterone, DHEA delivers a wide range of rejuvenating benefits for men and women, from...

www.iherb.com

Just showing how cheap dhea is.

Look for andro the giant or some transdermal 4 andro.

Even oral 4 andro


Oral 200-400mg+
TD 100-300+

Amdro the giant is legit? The high dose and 90 servings looks great

 

[KvanH]

Amdro the giant is legit? The high dose and 90 servings looks great

It has been used by many members here with good feedback. It's quite pricy, but Andros are. I would take 3 caps a day (330 mg).

 

[Jmlift]

It has been used by many members here with good feedback. It's quite pricy, but Andros are. I would take 3 caps a day (330 mg).

Thanks. At 110mg and 90caps, it seems actually better value than most of the 50-75mg at 60 caps.