Why not get the bulk powder from Custom Nutrition?
I thought they were sold out, never to get any more.Why not get the bulk powder from Custom Nutrition?
I never once accused anyone of being a PA cronie or even threw his(PA) name out there. I feel Poopypants was unjustifiably attacked for try to post information on the spearate ingredients of Trisorbagen. The simple truth is that there is a difference in questioning the ingredients in a product and just being maliscious A-hole(often posing under the guise of pseudo-screename and an inquisitive mind). I believe the line was crossed over before I made ANY POST. If you can't see that and feel I was out of line, then I guess you're not familiar with the way most of the other forums work.That said, I stand by my statement that these guys were attacked unjustly. They were doing what I hope every supplement consumer does, question the products that they are purchasing. Good supplement companies can provide solid scientific backing to their products...not bash those who question them. I understand that peer reviewed journal articles regarding the use of this type of product with designer steroids will be non-existant, but there should at least be a legitimate study of a similar compound to compare. What I saw were a few guys asking for this type of verification...with only hostility in return.
You may label me as a PA "cronie" if you wish, but I think that I deserve much more credit. I have the utmost respect for the leaders in this industry (which includes PA, Sledge, Par Deus, WL, and Dr. D) but I think that every product that any of them put out should be questioned by the consumer. Following blindly will help no one.
its not hard to get legit 11-oxo/3-ad material into the country, AX labeled there's as adrenodione which is what flagged the customs officials. Any random joe smhoe can order this material from an overseas vendor and get it into the country, especially if they use the actual name (11-ketotestosterone or whatever it is). They would get it into the country the same way that epistane, pheraplex and all these other designer hormones are coming in. 11-ketot is probably easy to synthesize, i would put my money on it that this stuff is legit.
yea i was kind of thinking the same thing when i read that. hoping that this new absorption product would be in the $15-20 range but my gut tells me it wont be. no way in hell im paying $40-50 to increase the absorption of a methylated oral steroid, which would be the only reason i would purchase it (for orals). i dont know the whole science behind it, may help justify cost, but im just praying its a decent/cheap and effective add-on to a cycle. something you can just drop in your cart and not have to think twice because of the price.
please run a log when you receive your product easyEJL :thumbsup:
this trisorbagen was gonna be combined with adrenosterone and then sold at a price below 11--oxo (according to axe)$50??? I saw it for $25 and he retail price was listed as $40.
Xmass
trenadrol
1,4AD
1,4ADD
Finigen x
Furaz
prostan (winztrol)
Adrenosterone
M-TST
Mega TRN
do i need to keep on going????
and the science behind trisorbagen is completely sound and benifits range far beyond just increased PH absorbtion including increased nutrient uptake and immune system. look at the page and read write up.... youll be a lil suprised im sure.
Anabolic Xtreme
bankruptaloneWhat's the chemical name of Trisorbagen?
He may still innovate but remember he has some new best friends that watch his every move so he has to do things like extremely underdose 11-oxo as to not draw any heat to himself. What AX did was innovate by adding double the dose and the tri complex. And because his product was out first doesnt mean anything to me. I will admit the guy is smart, but what gets me is that everyone believes him when he says hes here for the consumer......What a load of crap!
i sell books?Geez, next thing you are going to tell me there is no Santa Claus or Easter Bunny....
The rationale of some people is dumbfounding...You can get them to believe anything...
PA does know his crap, but to act like he is consumer advocate is ludicrous. The guy has an agenda to sell product and books.
You were planning to. You don't plan on selling a book any more?i sell books?
they don't necessarily have to provide evidence for the product, just the ingredients themselvesAX, do you have any clinical data that trisorbagen does anything with androgens, besides forum posts that say "Works great!"?
if you dont see how that can apply to a steroid in any regards or line up with the other health benifits listed in AX's own writeup then i guess i cant help ya. i dont have any studies including nor can i find any with steroids directly being used.
Well it does make a big difference because the compounds they used do not have the same pharmacokinetic parameters as the steroids we are trying to make more effective. .
Then why did he put it in his last product too? Just to copy everyone else even though it doesn't work?? Read between the lines fella.
Haha, yeah, you can see how honest and objective PA's info was on Epi now, right? It's been 86'ed with all the clones! Epi is in the upper half of the top 10 best sellers everywhere now, while the other brands PA defended are in the "where are they now" category, lol.
This will NOT turn into another Epi drama, because I will not even waste my time if that starts again. The truth always surfaces for itself and results speak louder than bs. That's how it is and it always will be.
i would just like to say that i have used two halo-50 clones in the past. one of them contained a p-450 protection matrix consisting of bioperine, and few other things (one might have been dhb). the clone was called methandrol-50 by webber pharmaceuticals. not only did blood work confirm it, but the mirror did as well.
i admit that i like AX, but i am not defending their products because i have a liking towards their brand or reps. i am gauranteeing that this product works because they haven't dropped a dud yet.
Sounds very counter productive in your product then. It's marketed as an anti-estro right? Yet preservation of phenolics will keep estradiol alive and kicking much longer! I think I would omit it.Read THESE Lines D,
piperine (bioperine) is in 6-oxo extreme to increase the bioavailability of resveratrol. Glucuronidation of resveratrol is a main pathway of deactivation. Piperine inhibits glucuronidation of polyphenols (resveratrol is a polyphenol)
piperine is NOT in any of my steroid products however and never has been. Why? Because the evidence suggests that it would probably not be very useful
You were planning to. You don't plan on selling a book any more?
I noticed your site http://askpatarnold.com/ isn't up any longer, where it talked about your up and coming book...
arent you mostly referring to DHB??? what about bioprene? will that effect androgen absorption to your knowledge?
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PA they were ALL different......
well im sorry but ill belive these 3rd party results first and foremost.... these were done by MM. you remember all that right?these were not the same results that we got
Sounds very counter productive in your product then. It's marketed as an anti-estro right? Yet preservation of phenolics will keep estradiol alive and kicking much longer! I think I would omit it.
And the info you gave about CYP is incorrect. You must not realize that 6-hydroxylation is a primary and significant pathway to androgen deactivation? Oh, of course you do, or 6-Oxo wouldn't even work.
well im sorry but ill belive these 3rd party results first and foremost.... these were done by MM. you remember all that right?
Alright damnit! I purchased a bottle today (not to take - well not at this moment) I want to get this stuff tested; which is cool because I think someone else is too - then maybe compare the two studies... I def. don't want to be involved in another EPI scandal type of thing, though
Dr.D - as always, thanks for dropping some knowledge down for us!
I thought they were sold out, never to get any more.
No, that's bAET.
B-Androstenetriol this is it right???
negatoryPA - is the del. system worth the money? (In your opinion)
You guys are claiming a synergistic effect by combining those three items into one product to increase steroid bioavailability. What clinically relevant effect is Bioperine or Emblica Officinalis going to have on steroid metabolism? We are questioning it as bro-science, because so far no AX rep has posted any information to back up these claims. Instead we are told to look it up ourselves.It's not "bro-science" at all, though there are no specific clinicals for Trisorb, there is a ton of relevant, related clinical data all over the net to justify the substrates, enzymes and mechanism involved with this product. Results are predictable. Maybe you just fail to understand the science? Reread the write-up, learn about the P450 and metabolism, then ask your questions if you still have any questions. I doubt you will because it's not that hard to grasp.
Oh k then......No, that's bAET.
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Let us never forget the agenda guys... there is a chip on someones shoulder and he's gonna make everyone pay, anyway he can...
Much Love,
Neoborn
As usual, no positive contribution to the discussion...:clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2:
You are currently doing the same thing you are complaining about, why be such a hypocrit? Add some value yourself? :food: :duel:As usual, no positive contribution to the discussion...
if it is truly adreno, then you can dose it at the 450mg dose and still benefit formt he weight-loss effects, while also increasing anabolism. I would dose it as recommended! :thumbsup:so back to the ACTUAL topic of this thread (which is not "steroid and supplement company deathmatch") my bottle of XPN AndroXtreme-D arrived, I opened it, popped one. Unless one of the other people on this board with experience with adrenosterone says otherwise, I plan to dose 300mg a day as 2 separate doses, solely for cortisol control. I considered alternatine between 300 + 150 to get closer to the average of 225 as in 11-oxo, but i'm not certain thats really wise. I could try to space em every 16 hours I guess, 6am, 10pm, 2pm, repeat if anyone thinks that makes sense. I'll only be taking till the PAL transformation contest starts, which will be no sooner than the 27th, possibly later. So that gives me at least 10 days, maybe more. At 300mg/day the bottle of 60 is 30 days.
Does anyone think the every 16 hours is a good dose plan? I happened to take it right at 2pm I just noticed looking at the clock
Wow, and I thought all british-canucks were dolts...I honestly don't know why you guys engage PA, it's the same thing over and over. Drama to the maximum. While I, like everyone else appreciate his knowledge and insight it always comes with a price. The troll clan follow closely behind as does a whirlwind of contraversy and mud slinging.
Let us never forget the agenda guys... there is a chip on someones shoulder and he's gonna make everyone pay, anyway he can...
Much Love,
Neoborn
stop complaining about the complainerYou are currently doing the same thing you are complaining about, why be such a hypocrit? Add some value yourself? :food: :duel:
not that I noticed. Damn addictive personality, I ripped the box open, popped the cap, peeled the foil, removed cotton, grabbed one cap, closed it + swallowedwere any of yours broken open?
i've got to send mine back (DAMN)
ripped with the over-night BS
Wow, and I thought all british-canucks were dolts...
Well put...
Hehehe. Thanks Arnie, you know I love joo long time Truth be told though eh!izza:stop complaining about the complainer
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