GreenMachineX
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No way man, metal is alive in Seattle! I just super quickly looked and you have Frozen Soul and Aborted next week!
Edit for clarity: I don’t know about the rock scene…I’m strictly metal.
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Edit for clarity: I don’t know about the rock scene…I’m strictly metal.
Dustin07
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lol half the clubs are literally closed dude. we used to bounce between 6 different clubs in pioneer square alone, all within a block of each other, usually side by side. they're all gone now
keep in mind in peak era the people that were on MTV, we were able to just hang out with at gigs
GreenMachineX
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Well right, Seattle was the place of rock back in the 90’s, but Frozen Soul isn’t going to play for themselves. I don’t really listen to Aborted much, but FS is amazing. My point is if you like the metal scene, it’s there.
Dustin07
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Looks like they're playing the showbox, we almost lost the showbox because developers but I think it got declared a historic venue. My buddys band used to open up there for Tantric and Daughtry during the Layne Staley tribute (always on Layne's bday in August, put together to help get musicians into recovery). I've seen a lot of obscure bands there too like Gomez, admittedly not AT ALL metal, but an interesting UK band IIRC. My other buddy also got me to hit the showbox one time with him to see a showing of The Big Lebowski, lol. glad I brushed up cause everyone knew all the words.
I think I saw Windowpane there.
Showbox is a fun, smaller venue about 1 block from a Deja Vu and Pike Place Market.
I think I saw Windowpane there.
Showbox is a fun, smaller venue about 1 block from a Deja Vu and Pike Place Market.
GreenMachineX
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You gonna go see Frozen Soul?!
GreenMachineX
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Forgot Thursday’s WO:
BB Bench Heavy Single x 245 (RPE9)
4 x 5/5/5/8 x 200
Today’s WO:
Squat 4 x 5/5/5/9 x 245
BB Bench Heavy Single x 245 (RPE9)
4 x 5/5/5/8 x 200
Today’s WO:
Squat 4 x 5/5/5/9 x 245
Dustin07
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lol my schedule this month is insane. this week is last minute Christmas stuff all week because we have obligations both Saturday and Sunday. Once we get past the 20th, my Christmas stresses drop by 80% haha
GreenMachineX
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Weight: 215.6
2 horrible meals this weekend. Part of me hates the holidays.
Sunday’s WO:
Standing OHP 5 x 4/4/4/4/9 x 127.5
Pull-ups
Close Grip Bench
T-Bar Row
Machine Incline Press
DB Upright Row
Lateral Raise
Very fun pump workout, but still doing the SBS Reps to Failure for main lifts, without the heavy single, and hypertrophy on auxiliary/assistance lifts.
I am enjoying the split of chest/back/shoulders on day 1 and legs/arms on day 2.
2400kcal today to partly make up for the weekend. Next weekend will be a problem also, so I’ll have a couple very low days this week.
2 horrible meals this weekend. Part of me hates the holidays.
Sunday’s WO:
Standing OHP 5 x 4/4/4/4/9 x 127.5
Pull-ups
Close Grip Bench
T-Bar Row
Machine Incline Press
DB Upright Row
Lateral Raise
Very fun pump workout, but still doing the SBS Reps to Failure for main lifts, without the heavy single, and hypertrophy on auxiliary/assistance lifts.
I am enjoying the split of chest/back/shoulders on day 1 and legs/arms on day 2.
2400kcal today to partly make up for the weekend. Next weekend will be a problem also, so I’ll have a couple very low days this week.
GreenMachineX
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Arms definitely feels like a waste of time for me. With this, I’m able to put more effort into them though, because doing arms after chest/back/shoulders just doesn’t work for me. I’m not as fatigued like that after squats or DL.
Edit: Arms feel like a waste, but it’s obvious I haven’t put the work into delts and arms for most of my lifting career when looking at me, thus the switch.
GreenMachineX
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That’s not what I meant…delts are on chest/back/shoulder day. I just meant, you can tell I didn’t prioritize lateral delts and arms for most of my training career.
GreenMachineX
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Deadlift 4 x 4/4/4/7 x 312.5
Leg Press Top Set 8 x 430
Cable Shrugs
DB Curls
23 minutes incline walking.
I’m so bad at DL AMRAP, even without the heavy single.
Leg Press Top Set 8 x 430
Cable Shrugs
DB Curls
23 minutes incline walking.
I’m so bad at DL AMRAP, even without the heavy single.
GreenMachineX
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Weight: 211.0
Chest/shoulders/back later.
Chest/shoulders/back later.
GreenMachineX
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@SkRaw85 @Hyde
With this programming on DL, considering my 1RM in a deficit is likely 425, am I accomplishing much with sets and reps like that at 73% of 1RM, since I’m so bad at AMRAP DL? Or would it be better to work at heavier intensities at lower rep ranges since that’s what I’m good at in a deficit?
Hyde
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It’s up to you. If work capacity is lower when dieting you can make a case for training heavier to help retain strength better - this is what I did after my last meet while cruising. But it’s easier for the wheels to fall off also because you are in a deficit, and mine did after about 6 weeks. I believe I did retain strength better, but it wasn’t sustainable and I also had the windfall knowing a steroid blast would eventually return with the calories to help rebuild tissue better when volume & food was increased later.
That being said, 19 reps at 73% is right in a sweetspot for Prilipen’s Chart. I know it was made for weightlifters, but it works pretty darn well for most when defining starting points for figuring out your sets x reps needs:
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GreenMachineX
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Thanks. I’ve seen a similar chart somewhere before but can’t recall where. Nevertheless, it does seem like I’m still hitting numbers I should be able to progress with. Or, have I been training too hard…too many sets to failure to often and I need to relearn RPEs?
Hyde
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I wouldn’t sweat training too hard. Most people don’t, but even when you do it tends to work…until you start breaking down. Like you can see dropoffs in strength or take on injuries that cause you to backslide in performance.
GreenMachineX
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Today’s WO
Flat Bench
4 x 4/4/4/8 x 202.5
Inverted Row 4 x 6/6/6/6
Machine OHP
Pull-ups
Flat DB Press
Lateral Raise
Flat Bench
4 x 4/4/4/8 x 202.5
Inverted Row 4 x 6/6/6/6
Machine OHP
Pull-ups
Flat DB Press
Lateral Raise
MrKleen73
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By the way, on the ADHD/ADD and OCD discussion I did not think about the fact that an obsessive thought or compulsion would be something that the person is MASSIVELY INTERESTED IN. So it would totally make sense that they could get super-focused on something they obsess over.
One would think an ADHD person wouldn't obsess, but realizing it is an interest for them to follow the compulsion means that the super / hyper focus from ADHD would definitely kick in. Looking at my own behavior I can see some compulsive actions. I tend to fold all of my food wrappers up into small folded things. If I organize something it has to be perfectly lined up, and uniform when done even though there is absolutely no way my ADHD will let me keep it that way. LMAO. Lots of little things that simply do not make sense, especially for someone who tends to be as messy as me. LOL
One would think an ADHD person wouldn't obsess, but realizing it is an interest for them to follow the compulsion means that the super / hyper focus from ADHD would definitely kick in. Looking at my own behavior I can see some compulsive actions. I tend to fold all of my food wrappers up into small folded things. If I organize something it has to be perfectly lined up, and uniform when done even though there is absolutely no way my ADHD will let me keep it that way. LMAO. Lots of little things that simply do not make sense, especially for someone who tends to be as messy as me. LOL
Dustin07
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GreenMachineX
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211.0 again.
Squat 4 x 4/4/4/6 x 252.5
Leg Curls 3 sets left leg, 2 right leg
Leg Extensions 3 sets
Smith Shrugs 4 sets
DB Curls 3 sets
Triceps Pressdowns 3 sets
Machine Preacher 3 sets
Incline walking cardio.
Really enjoying the aesthetic work after my strength sets with this new plan. I’m not sure I’m getting much out of the “1 hard set” fit the big lifts, so hopefully the auxiliary work makes up for that. I don’t feel as beat up, so this might be best for cutting/maintaining through the holidays anyway.
Big cheat meal tonight…probably Brazilian steakhouse.
Squat 4 x 4/4/4/6 x 252.5
Leg Curls 3 sets left leg, 2 right leg
Leg Extensions 3 sets
Smith Shrugs 4 sets
DB Curls 3 sets
Triceps Pressdowns 3 sets
Machine Preacher 3 sets
Incline walking cardio.
Really enjoying the aesthetic work after my strength sets with this new plan. I’m not sure I’m getting much out of the “1 hard set” fit the big lifts, so hopefully the auxiliary work makes up for that. I don’t feel as beat up, so this might be best for cutting/maintaining through the holidays anyway.
Big cheat meal tonight…probably Brazilian steakhouse.
Dustin07
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I often honestly have the same issue if I'm going that approach. I like a drop set to failure personally if my overall goal isn't just strength. it just "feels" right.
GreenMachineX
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Right. But, I wonder now if the feels are detrimental…guess we’ll see.
sammpedd88
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The meat sweats are real!
GreenMachineX
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So, I actually didn’t overeat TOO bad. No meat sweats yet…we’ll see what happens in the middle of the night, but I doubt it. But, I did not eat dessert!
GreenMachineX
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A nice huge meal always gets me a better night sleep. Feels good.
GreenMachineX
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Welp, went out for breakfast too. Thought I was going to have a controllable breakfast at Hampton inn, but it was trash so we went out. Gonna try to cut kcal later the rest of the day…make it fit my macros.
Dustin07
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I think it depends on goals. If you're trying to compete in a strength comp, or an endurance comp etc then you gotta be smart, but if you're a gym rat who lives for the feeling then do what feels the best ya know
MrKleen73
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That is good, that means you have a lot of room to improve there.
I think you should commit to it as written to see what happens by the end of the meso. You tend to run yourself into the ground on occasion, so just do this as it says even though it is a little less work than you are used to. You might find that the lower overall volume takes you from digging a hole you can barely fill before the next session to overfilling that hole with new muscle growth and improving after every session.
Yeah. I haven't been medicated my whole adult life. I hated how Ritalin made me feel when I was a kid. Turned me into a zombie. I kind of wonder if my whole world would level up from getting on ADHD meds. Did the people you are talking about medicate or are they raw-dogging life too?man I'm feeling better today and my wife is feeling like **** lol. Last night we were blessed wtih the excuse to have pho while we watched the Seahawks eek out a win against the Rams. she's under the weather, which makes me think that this week's exhaustion and burnout I've been fighting has maybe been a cold?? She admitted to me last night she's been doubling down on her zinc etc all week secretly trying not to get sick lol.
two of my best friends, co-workers, and employees are both high school dropouts (my lifting buddy who also was my officiate at my wedding is one of them with severe ADHD). They're two of the most intelligent people I know and are not replaceable at work, to me. We often review resumes and joke when we see things like "class of xxxx" (throw it away, we don't hire grads around here). The funny thing is my brother and I both ended up doing running start cause we hated high school as well, so senior year for me, and junior + senior year for my brother we wrapped up our credits at the community college while working instead of going to high school. so at one point the four of us were all working in an office together and it cracked me up that none of us went to high school senior year lol. I did end up getting my bachelors but honestly I only got it as an insurance policy incase things didn't work out with our biz. All our best employees didn't finish high school
I am sure you are getting plenty out of it. Would you rather be able to hit your numbers each week and make steady progress or be grinding away not being able to get a new rep or another 5 lbs? Those AMRAPS are going to do the trick regardless, and if it just doesn't feel like enough after you finish the meso you can do it again with a rest pause or drop set after.
They absolutely can be, especially if it feels wrong just because it is not what you are used to doing. If you get yourself used to doing too much even if it feels right you can't recover as well as if you are doing just enough.
I think if tracking progress and recognizable progress is the goal, especially with strength training then it matters. If you just want to be strong and bigger then straight gym rat fun in the gym is all you need as long as you work hard enough.
Dustin07
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well right now in my life I have 3 people who are considered and diagnosed as severely a.d.d. / adhd to the point that they have been RX'd drugs for it.
1. my step son. He told his mom (my wife) when he was very young, that he hated it (maybe like 11-13yrs old ish?) and it made him feel bad (dumb). so she did not force it on him, he lives life unmedicated, he stays fit, he is an active scuba diver and honestly I think he's doing great. He is also in tech like you, writing apps.
2. my buddy who is about 60-80lbs overweight and a bit of a slob, he uses the meds, swears by them. but my other buddy and I always know when he changes meds, or dosage or what. we have watched him for nearly 20 years and we think the meds are far worse for him but he does it anyways.
3. my other friend who is a female that is about 100lbs overweight. she refuses to cook, doesn't like exercise, but could engineer anything, ever, in her sleep, while making her kids halloween costumes and baking Christmas cookies. She recently went on meds and like buddy #2 swears by them. I'm not a fan, personally.
all three of these peoples are very high IQ individuals. All 3 of them are good hearted, smart, hard working people that I have a high level of respect for. But the one who is unmedicated is also by far healthier than the other two and also think he's better off without the meds. just my very small sample size observation <- what do I know? lol
personally I haven't seen subtantial improvements in peoples lives or output with the meds. they feel they improved, but I work with some of them and didn't see improvement.
GreenMachineX
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Well, I didn’t stick to it
This DL workout was so much more satisfying.DL Today
5 sets of 3 x 365
Leg Press Top Sets
2 x 6 x 450
Cable Shrug 4 sets
EZ Curls 3 sets
DB Curls 2 sets
Pull-Aparts 3 sets
MrKleen73
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Interesting, yeah I think a lot of it depends on why they went on the meds in the first place. It might have been for home, or some other purpose. I also think by a certain point people have learned to adjust, and work with their ADHD. For me schooling without it is almost impossible. Honestly doing anything I don't find interesting is almost impossible for me to do. While I might learn OTB very well, and can pick up quickly on things when taught while doing them. It is EXTREMELY challenging for me to begin to do anything that does not interest me, or put me at risk of losing something. It is also almost impossible for me to break myself away from doing something I enjoy even if I know there is something else I should be doing. Often if there is not a risk of loss, I will just continue on with what I am enjoying. My executive function sucks!!! I pretty much need an approaching deadline, or there being another reason to do something like helping someone. It works out quite well for me in a support position because I am reacting to something where someone needs my help, AND there is automatically a deadline of having to resolve things ASAP. That is what makes me excellent at this job. Everything is high priority, so there is always something to lose, and every ticket has a timer. Every other project I get put on is high pressure and time sensitive too. These are all things that put me in my best work scenario. I don't know that being on meds would be beneficial or noticeable to my boss at all. What it could do is make it easier for me to study to move my career forward. I don't need it to execute in my position, the pressure is enough for that. However to force myself into consistently studying stuff that is just not interesting to me is going to require or at least be helped by the meds.
I would be curious to know what things you see as having gotten worse or less to your liking about them once on meds.
Well satisfying is damn good Sir! I am so jealous seeing everyone deadlift and not really being able to. It truly is one of my favorite lifts. I am hoping I can get back to it at some point. My hope is that I can get back to some of that stuff after my 6 month calisthenics stint the beginning of next year.Well, I didn’t stick to it
DL Today
5 sets of 3 x 365
Leg Press Top Sets
2 x 6 x 450
Cable Shrug 4 sets
EZ Curls 3 sets
DB Curls 2 sets
Pull-Aparts 3 sets
GreenMachineX
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I’ve added 300g of combined broccoli and frozen cauliflower and 300g of black/rasberries and doing well so far. None of the reactions I used to get. Goal is to get to 20k ORAC value per day and 5mg DIM through food to start, and eventually I’ll start supplementing DIM.
Dustin07
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well sir do I have a solution for you
its almost like bipolar, except he's not at all bipolar. a med change (dosage, or actual med) could mean every day next week he's showing up at the office an hour early, AFTER getting up to hit the stairs at the gym. then he parks in some retarded spot which tends to irk my my other buddy and I who are autistic to the core and have completely unchanged routines the past decade. another change, and he might suddenly stop getting up early and start showing up to the office late 5-10 minutes every single day. the changes we see in him are personality, not focus. like he's bouncing off the walls like a happy go lucky puppy, up early and moving, or he's more quiet. ironically when he "seems" down to us, he claims "wow this is the best dose I think the dr ever wrote me, I feel so focused" but we see a dude that seems lazier, depressed, quiet, etc.
The irony is the only change we see in his a.d.d. / adhd meds from outsider perspective is MOODS. I never see any improvement in focus or getting jobs done. He usually have 100 projects 90% compete, which still makes him more effective than your typical non adhd person who has 0 or 1 project 100% complete (haha).
The healthiest I have ever seen him both from a focus standpoint, and mood, was when he stuck to a 4x/week lifting regiment with me when I was chasing my 500lb deadlift and 300lb bench. He was fatter, ate whatever he wanted, but was always lifting heavy with me. When I change up my focus to hypertrophy and cutting he gets bored, shows up half as often and I see it trickle into the rest of his life.
we are similar in our house but with other things like fiber. as of yet we still do not supplement fiber as we make a really concerted effort to get a lot of fibrous foods but coincidentally, a lot of them are like what you pointed out (broccoli and cauli, as well as a ton of brussels in our house). its so engrained in us that when we travel and have to eat out a lot I find myself craving fresh greens, good salads etc
GreenMachineX
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Gotcha. Fiber is one I don’t have to try whatsoever. I hit 40g daily by just eating normally. How many grams do you shoot for?well sir do I have a solution for you
its almost like bipolar, except he's not at all bipolar. a med change (dosage, or actual med) could mean every day next week he's showing up at the office an hour early, AFTER getting up to hit the stairs at the gym. then he parks in some retarded spot which tends to irk my my other buddy and I who are autistic to the core and have completely unchanged routines the past decade. another change, and he might suddenly stop getting up early and start showing up to the office late 5-10 minutes every single day. the changes we see in him are personality, not focus. like he's bouncing off the walls like a happy go lucky puppy, up early and moving, or he's more quiet. ironically when he "seems" down to us, he claims "wow this is the best dose I think the dr ever wrote me, I feel so focused" but we see a dude that seems lazier, depressed, quiet, etc.
The irony is the only change we see in his a.d.d. / adhd meds from outsider perspective is MOODS. I never see any improvement in focus or getting jobs done. He usually have 100 projects 90% compete, which still makes him more effective than your typical non adhd person who has 0 or 1 project 100% complete (haha).
The healthiest I have ever seen him both from a focus standpoint, and mood, was when he stuck to a 4x/week lifting regiment with me when I was chasing my 500lb deadlift and 300lb bench. He was fatter, ate whatever he wanted, but was always lifting heavy with me. When I change up my focus to hypertrophy and cutting he gets bored, shows up half as often and I see it trickle into the rest of his life.
we are similar in our house but with other things like fiber. as of yet we still do not supplement fiber as we make a really concerted effort to get a lot of fibrous foods but coincidentally, a lot of them are like what you pointed out (broccoli and cauli, as well as a ton of brussels in our house). its so engrained in us that when we travel and have to eat out a lot I find myself craving fresh greens, good salads etc
Edit: I do NOT crave greens/salads/etc
I do love berries though.
Dustin07
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I honestly don't, although I don't think its a bad idea. more and more they're pushing studies indicating that high fiber diets are associated with lower all cause mortality. a friend of mine retired like 3 years ago and about 1 year into it had to have a big chunk of his intestine / colon removed. Dad asked him what he could have done to avoid that "eat more fiber" was all the docs had to tell him.
I go by feel, I just generally seem to know when I need more tbh...
Edit: I do NOT crave greens/salads/etc
I do love berries though.
LOL i'm honestly the opposite, I still really can't stand fruit. I try though... i do try. but I just never reach for much of anything sweet. I'm more likely to grab tortilla chips but the health benefits aren't really up to par.
GreenMachineX
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Ohhhh, if we’re talking about actual cravings? It’s Mexican, pizza and wings all day long
I thought we were talking about those “healthy cravings”. I have noticed when I include berries at 200g or more per day, desserts no longer look nearly as appetizing.
GreenMachineX
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Weight: 210.4
Ditching the SBS program, but keeping the same split as chest/back/shoulders on day 1, and legs/traps/arms on day 2.
Back to 5x5 on bench and OHP, 5x3 on DL, and something in between on squats most likely.
Very carb depleted today, killed my bench but still accomplished my 5x5.
Flat BB Bench 5x5 x 205
Ditching the SBS program, but keeping the same split as chest/back/shoulders on day 1, and legs/traps/arms on day 2.
Back to 5x5 on bench and OHP, 5x3 on DL, and something in between on squats most likely.
Very carb depleted today, killed my bench but still accomplished my 5x5.
Flat BB Bench 5x5 x 205
Dustin07
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lol most likely my biggest cravings are usually tortilla chips and fats from the questionable category. so I will just eat an avocado or mush it all over chipsOhhhh, if we’re talking about actual cravings? It’s Mexican, pizza and wings all day long
I thought we were talking about those “healthy cravings”. I have noticed when I include berries at 200g or more per day, desserts no longer look nearly as appetizing.
From the healthy category though I definitely do get salad cravings and I'm a meat eater. When my wife and I go out I always gravitate towards dishes that look like they have the most meat in them...
Hyde
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Lifters ordering at restaurants:lol most likely my biggest cravings are usually tortilla chips and fats from the questionable category. so I will just eat an avocado or mush it all over chips
From the healthy category though I definitely do get salad cravings and I'm a meat eater. When my wife and I go out I always gravitate towards dishes that look like they have the most meat in them...
“What, that? I can’t order that, it doesn’t have any protein. That’s like a side.”
Dustin07
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its true
also: "how many ounces of chicken are on the salad? hmm, is that so... can I have that doubled?"
GreenMachineX
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Those are exact quotes everywhere we goits true
also: "how many ounces of chicken are on the salad? hmm, is that so... can I have that doubled?"
GreenMachineX
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Merry Christmas frenz. Might try to get a workout in later after Christmas breakfast and gift unwrapping stuff. The kids always retreat to their dens with their new toys, so may as well during the downtime until the next Christmas dinner event tonight.
GreenMachineX
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Weight: 212.6
Squat 5x5x245
Lying Leg Curls
Leg Extensions
Single Leg Curls
Biceps Curls
Skullcrushers
Shrugs
The 5x5 was far more enjoyable and felt more like a workout. I probably still had 3-4 reps left in the tank on set 5, so I know next time to do 5x5 at 250 or 255. Knees feeling a bit like “static” or “electric shocks” going through them on the latter sets. Unsure what that’s about. Not necessarily pain, but not comfortable.
Squat 5x5x245
Lying Leg Curls
Leg Extensions
Single Leg Curls
Biceps Curls
Skullcrushers
Shrugs
The 5x5 was far more enjoyable and felt more like a workout. I probably still had 3-4 reps left in the tank on set 5, so I know next time to do 5x5 at 250 or 255. Knees feeling a bit like “static” or “electric shocks” going through them on the latter sets. Unsure what that’s about. Not necessarily pain, but not comfortable.
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GreenMachineX
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Weight: 214
Next few days will be messed up. No hope in sight until after New Years.
Next few days will be messed up. No hope in sight until after New Years.
GreenMachineX
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Going through old posts to see where I was about a year ago. I could probably be completely carb depleted at 208-10. So, about 10 pounds lower at this point. Gotta keep the damage control.
Dustin07
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You wearing any sleeves at all? I hate squatting without them tbh