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Tell Us What You Would Like to See From SNS & CEL (2023 Edition)

sns8778 said:
Another question that I would like some opinions on for anyone interested.

I already have flavor samples that are good on a lot of this, but more flavor samples that I like than flavors that we would actually do, especially at first - so I'm curious to hear what people would like.

We are going to be doing an EAA under SNS and then a super comprehensive EAA/Intra under CEL.

The SNS one is going to be along the lines of a more basic EAA product with a few cool things added in.

The CEL one is going to be very unique and be absolutely loaded.

For the SNS one, I'm wanting to start with probably 3, maybe 4 flavors.

For the CEL one, I want to start with 2 flavors.

I would love to hear what flavors that anyone would be interested in.

My thoughts, and this is not set in stone yet, are:

CEL Intra - picking 2 flavors between:
  • Blackberry Mojito
  • Jawbreaker
  • Sour Peach Candy
  • Grape Limeade
SNS Intra - picking 3 to 4 flavors between:
  • Blue Raspberry Popsicle
  • Pink Grapefruit
  • Blackberry Mojito
  • Grape Limeade
  • Lemon Lime (sour/tart)
  • Watermelon Lime
  • Lemon Tea
Note: Blackberry Mojito and Grape Limeade would only be used in one or the other, not both.
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Jawbreaker and Blackberry Mojito.

Grape Limeade, Lemon Lime, and Blue Raspberry Popsicle.

Man, sour lemon-lime deserves more love in this forum. Everything lemon-lime tastes heavenly
 
akboom87 said:
CEL- blackberry mojito/grape limeade

SNS- blue raspberry popsicle/watermelon lime/pink grapefruit/
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I’m going to say I would just agree with all of these for my own.

Blackberry Mojito is a flavor I’m so excited for, so that’s #1. And grape lime Focus was a totally awesome flavor, and generally great whenever I’ve had it ever anywhere, so you definitely need to do that flavor in something as well.
 
CEL Intra:
  • Blackberry Mojito
  • Grape Limeade
SNS Intra:

  • Pink Grapefruit
  • Lemon Lime (sour/tart)
  • Watermelon Lime
 
Thank you to everyone for the feedback so far - I'm excited about both of these projects.

I either already have, or should have flavor samples coming of all the ones I mentioned.
 
Hyde said:
I’m going to say I would just agree with all of these for my own.

Blackberry Mojito is a flavor I’m so excited for, so that’s #1. And grape lime Focus was a totally awesome flavor, and generally great whenever I’ve had it ever anywhere, so you definitely need to do that flavor in something as well.
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Me too. I love Blackberry Mojito flavor in general and I'm wanting to do Blackberry Mojito and Blackberry Mojito Sour flavors in several upcoming products.
 
CEL Intra :

Jawbreaker
Grape Limeade

SNS Intra :

Pink Grapefruit
Blackberry Mojito
Lemon Lime (sour/tart)
Watermelon Lime
 
CEL Intra
Sour Peach Candy
Blackberry Mojito

SNS
Blackberry Mojito (if not used in the CEL intra)
Watermelon Lime
Lemon Tea
Pink Grapefruit
 
Sorry, I never buy anything Grape.

CEL Intra - picking 2 flavors between:
  • Blackberry Mojito
  • Jawbreaker
SNS Intra - picking 3 to 4 flavors between:
  • Blue Raspberry Popsicle
  • Pink Grapefruit
  • Blackberry Mojito
  • Watermelon Lime
 
sns8778 said:
Another question that I would like some opinions on for anyone interested.

I already have flavor samples that are good on a lot of this, but more flavor samples that I like than flavors that we would actually do, especially at first - so I'm curious to hear what people would like.

We are going to be doing an EAA under SNS and then a super comprehensive EAA/Intra under CEL.

The SNS one is going to be along the lines of a more basic EAA product with a few cool things added in.

The CEL one is going to be very unique and be absolutely loaded.

For the SNS one, I'm wanting to start with probably 3, maybe 4 flavors.

For the CEL one, I want to start with 2 flavors.

I would love to hear what flavors that anyone would be interested in.

My thoughts, and this is not set in stone yet, are:

CEL Intra - picking 2 flavors between:
  • Blackberry Mojito
  • Jawbreaker
  • Sour Peach Candy
  • Grape Limeade
SNS Intra - picking 3 to 4 flavors between:
  • Blue Raspberry Popsicle
  • Pink Grapefruit
  • Blackberry Mojito
  • Grape Limeade
  • Lemon Lime (sour/tart)
  • Watermelon Lime
  • Lemon Tea
Note: Blackberry Mojito and Grape Limeade would only be used in one or the other, not both.
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CEL
BlackBerry mojito
Sour Peach Candy

SNS
Pink Grapefruit
Watermelon Lime
Blackberry mojito
Grape limeade

Can’t wait!
 
i just want mango iced tea flavored again :)

miss this stuff
 
GQdaLEGEND said:
i just want mango iced tea flavored again :)

miss this stuff
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I'm doing my best. We tried way too hard to match that flavor and never could get it exact. In hindsight, I wish we hadn't held up on getting Energized Aminos back out to try to do that one. We still will try if we can ever get it matched up right.
 
aloosecannon said:
CEL Intra
Sour Peach Candy
Blackberry Mojito

SNS
Blackberry Mojito (if not used in the CEL intra)
Watermelon Lime
Lemon Tea
Pink Grapefruit
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The first vote for Lemon Tea haha. That's a flavor I want to do but I figured it may not be as popular as some of the others. The EAA I use makes a lemon tea flavor and I had held off on trying that flavor forever bc I didn't think I would like it, but I love it. That's what got me wanting to do that flavor.
 
Resolve10 said:
Count me in as I'd be too curious to miss out. Pretty sure I was in the Beta for Prime (it was so long ago it feels like), but I can't remember why I never picked up retail after that. Maybe because of the weird dosing schemes (69 protocol and with no MOA I couldn't figure out why you'd need more on training days) or that so many people were running massive doses (I feel like when I talked to Doug Miller he was using like 15 caps per day o_O).



Bolded my preferences, but I'd be down for anything really. Looking forward to these.
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Thank you. I do remember hearing of some people doing a lot of different dosages.

I think the standard dose was 6 caps per day. That's what I was leaning towards for the label suggested use.
 
sns8778 said:
The first vote for Lemon Tea haha. That's a flavor I want to do but I figured it may not be as popular as some of the others. The EAA I use makes a lemon tea flavor and I had held off on trying that flavor forever bc I didn't think I would like it, but I love it. That's what got me wanting to do that flavor.
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I sometimes take a black tea/lemonade preworkout and I enjoy it
 
nickodemus said:
Grape limeade
Cherry slushie?
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I love Grape Limeade, that should hopefully be a flavor in one or the other.

I hadn't thought about Cherry Slushy, I'll add that to my flavor list - I keep a master list of the different flavors I want to use for something.
 
Stopstalking2 said:
I sometimes take a black tea/lemonade preworkout and I enjoy it
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I've never had a lemon tea pre-workout, but I use Innovapharm Recover EAA and I love their Lemon Tea flavor. It took me a long time to try it bc I was hesitant, but I really like it.
 
sns8778 said:
I need some input and a 'show of hands' on who would want us to do a Tribulus Aquaticus product like the old USP Labs Prime or Precision Research's Primal?

I can get the raw materials no problem, so its just a matter of if enough people really want us to do it or not.
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Is this standardized for anything? Thank you.
 
sns8778 said:
It's actually interesting that you wrote that - about building muscle to lose fat. I preach that all the time and a lot of times, I feel like I'm just ready to beat my head into my desk with the way some people respond to it. Like me currently, I was just able to start back training in June after not being able to lift for almost a year and a half after getting run over by a car. I had lost all my muscle and gained a lot of fat. I lost 40 lbs. between Feb. and June with just diet and supplements but no exercise. Finally in June, I was able to start back doing some light training. I want to lose more fat, but my priority was building back muscle - and of course, enter the negativity of where a lot of people had to tell me how you can't do that at one time and I'm like - uh, yeah, you can, I've done it. I'm doing a massive supplement regimen (Anabolic XT, Anabolic Effect, Recomp20, Ecdy-Plex, Phosphatidic Acid XT) right now along with diet and training regimen that I know works best for me, I'm about 4 weeks into it and I've gained almost 20 lbs. and have lost a half inch around my belly button while getting a lot leaner in my shoulders, arms, and chest. That's how it tends to work for me, its like fat loss starts there and works its way down.

As a company owner, I don't post a log or anything bc I feel like most people would just think I was biased or wouldn't believe it anyway, so when I speak of my own results, its normally a casual comment or using myself as an example to encourage someone else. But like last week, someone posted that I couldn't be gaining that much muscle and losing fat at the same time - and I'm like, yeah, according to the scale, my mirror, and my measurements, I am. And plus, a couple of the people I know on here very well, I send them pictures monthly just for accountability purposes bc I do better when I know someone is going to be seeing it.

Sorry if that came off as rambling, just super agree with what you said there - about the impact that building muscle can have on fat loss.

Back to the supplement part of the discussion - I agree there too - I don't think that there are any absorption issues with the ingredient, but I do think that there are going to be some people that respond better to it than others; which I think is the case with many herbal ingredients.

Your explanation makes sense on the reason that it may have helped you more than it does some people.

I think with a lot of things there are little tips and tricks that can be done to maximize results in general. Even with my own personal supply regimen, I hate the word synergistic because its so overused now days, so I'll say I'm very strategic about the things I stack and take together based on the way that they can enhance the benefits of one another.
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"And plus, a couple of the people I know on here very well, I send them pictures monthly just for accountability purposes bc I do better when I know someone is going to be seeing it."

I'm a little hurt, i never got any pics......................................sad face. lol

Joking aside VERY HAPPY to hear you are doing so well. Something people seem to forget here is Steve is also RE-GAINING a previous amount of muscle/ and leanness.
 
sns8778 said:
I wasn't talking about the whole legal issue with USP - I was talking about the one where some products had been tested and had things in them that the labels didn't declare. That was part of some separate issues for them. I think that's why a lot of people felt like there may have been some extra's in other things.

That's why I think that Primal really is the measuring stick - because it wouldn't have applied to that product, so if that one worked the same as the USP Labs one, then that gives just a little further assurance if that makes sense.

I think its a good indicator that you still continued to get the same type of results from Primal and didn't see a drop when you stopped Primal. I think that's the advantage to a lot of good natural products anyway is that unlike a lot of other things, you can generally keep your gains from them.


Prime was a 120 capsule (and may have been a 150 cap at one time), Primal was a 150 capsule; I'm thinking of doing either a 150 or a 180 capsule.

Now, I just need to think of a good name for it.
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Re-Primed XT
 
BCseacow83 said:
Is this standardized for anything? Thank you.
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This is one of those that I'm going to have to politely decline to go into details on. The reason for that is because the raw material supplier that provides these exact raws doesn't want spec details given out so as to not make it easier for other companies to copy they're raw materials. They're actually pretty excited on our end that we're bringing this back too.

This is one that I'll give credit to both USP and Precision Research for in not going into details about the exact specifics of it - I don't think they did it to be deceptive or anything, I think they did it so as to not make it easy for others to copy their products.
 
BCseacow83 said:
"And plus, a couple of the people I know on here very well, I send them pictures monthly just for accountability purposes bc I do better when I know someone is going to be seeing it."

I'm a little hurt, i never got any pics......................................sad face. lol

Joking aside VERY HAPPY to hear you are doing so well. Something people seem to forget here is Steve is also RE-GAINING a previous amount of muscle/ and leanness.
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Ha. Shoot me a text sometimes and I'll be glad to send you some progress pics.

It's actually never been easy for me to 're-gain' in the past. I know that some people have muscle come back fairly quick after a layoff but that's honestly never been the case with me. I've been horribly inconsistent with my training throughout my life bc of lack of time, injuries, and medical conditions.

And this time, I was by far the most of shape I've ever been in terms of the amount of fat I had and the amount of muscle I lost.

The biggest things I'm doing this time is doing a very comprehensive supplement regimen that targets things from a variety of angles and no more experimenting on diet and training for me - I've gone back to the way that works for me. None of the fancy new stuff, back to the diet that I did when I was in the best shape of my life and back to the type of training I was doing then too.

When it comes to supplements, I am very strategic about the things I take and especially moreso now bc I have a lot of making up to do in terms of building back muscle. We all talk about stacking things a lot - but I'm pretty OCD about it and put a lot of thought into what I take personally and why, and there has been a lot of thought and significant detail as to why I'm taking exactly what I'm taking in terms of method of action and how these work together. And its been coming together great - my strength is going up to where I'm having to be smart and keep things on a pace and slow it down to allow my joints and ligaments to keep up any my muscular endurance has been really interesting bc I've always had issues with fatiguing towards the end of my workouts and right now, I feel like I could keep going and going and my strength isn't dropping towards the end. It's the first time in my life ever that I've felt like I could finish as strong as starting. And muscle wise, I'm nowhere near as muscular as some here, but I'm also 45 years old and have an autoimmune and endocrinology condition and got ran over by a car, so context matters haha. The significant thing for me on that is that I'm 4 weeks into this stack and I've gained enough muscle in the last month to where I'm having people comment on it at random places like the grocery store, so that's cool and it helps me mentally bc I'll look at myself one day and be happy with my progress and the next day be bummed bc of how far I have left to go; so knowing others can see it is nice.

I plan on running my supplement stack I'm doing for 20 weeks and I'll probably add a couple things in along the way as new products come out. The natural anabolic we have coming out in a few weeks, I'm extremely excited about for personal use because of the methods of action being pretty unique and it working in ways that make it very stackable with Anabolic XT, Anabolic Effect, and Phosphatidic Acid XT.
 
Something else I thought of not really anything new.
Flavor samples of the powders, something you could just order a sample of all the flavors just one serving. I feel like a lot of times I won’t order something out of the norm for fear of not liking it and not using.

Don’t know if it would be worthwhile or not though from a business perspective.
 
akboom87 said:
Something else I thought of not really anything new.
Flavor samples of the powders, something you could just order a sample of all the flavors just one serving. I feel like a lot of times I won’t order something out of the norm for fear of not liking it and not using.

Don’t know if it would be worthwhile or not though from a business perspective.
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That is something that I would like to do. However, the unfortunate reality is that the MOQ on sample packs, especially stick packs, is many thousands of packs at a time - 5k regular, 25k stick packs and that's per flavor. For example, if I offered sample packs of the ones I mentioned above, I would have to have over 25k tied up in just sample packs.

Now, don't get me wrong - that's if doing it the right way, as in cGMP. There are companies that don't follow the guidelines and make sample packs themselves to send out - and the large MOQ's to do it correctly is why they do that.

On our end, we are FDA registered and follow all cGMP guidelines and that would just be very difficult right now to have that much money tied up on sample packs because every dollar tied up in samples is a dollar that can't be put into bringing out new products or increasing inventory levels on existing ones. And we spend tens of thousands of dollars a year on testing and compliance and there's no way I could justify doing sample packs in any way other than absolutely by the guidelines.

I am exploring different avenues to be able to do that, and one thing on that may work out but its a significant investment and it would be Q1 of next year before it would be practical.

Thank you for the suggestion though. I really do like the idea - I just wanted to explain why its difficult for us to do.

Now, with all that said, down the road, if there's something that someone wants to try and I know you, I may not mind sending a sample of a flavor to try if I have one open myself. It would just be one of those things where I may could throw in a sample with someone's order that I know who they are when they place an order - but it has to be clearly understood that that's Steve the person doing that, not SNS or CEL the company.
 
sns8778 said:
That is something that I would like to do. However, the unfortunate reality is that the MOQ on sample packs, especially stick packs, is many thousands of packs at a time - 5k regular, 25k stick packs and that's per flavor. For example, if I offered sample packs of the ones I mentioned above, I would have to have over 25k tied up in just sample packs.

Now, don't get me wrong - that's if doing it the right way, as in cGMP. There are companies that don't follow the guidelines and make sample packs themselves to send out - and the large MOQ's to do it correctly is why they do that.

On our end, we are FDA registered and follow all cGMP guidelines and that would just be very difficult right now to have that much money tied up on sample packs because every dollar tied up in samples is a dollar that can't be put into bringing out new products or increasing inventory levels on existing ones. And we spend tens of thousands of dollars a year on testing and compliance and there's no way I could justify doing sample packs in any way other than absolutely by the guidelines.

I am exploring different avenues to be able to do that, and one thing on that may work out but its a significant investment and it would be Q1 of next year before it would be practical.

Thank you for the suggestion though. I really do like the idea - I just wanted to explain why its difficult for us to do.

Now, with all that said, down the road, if there's something that someone wants to try and I know you, I may not mind sending a sample of a flavor to try if I have one open myself. It would just be one of those things where I may could throw in a sample with someone's order that I know who they are when they place an order - but it has to be clearly understood that that's Steve the person doing that, not SNS or CEL the company.
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Yeah that’s what I wondered from a consumer standpoint it’s seems awesome but from a business standpoint I had a feeling it would be a boat load of coin to sample packets. Appreciate the explanation and I fully understand how that would be non feasible.
 
sns8778 said:
That is something that I would like to do. However, the unfortunate reality is that the MOQ on sample packs, especially stick packs, is many thousands of packs at a time - 5k regular, 25k stick packs and that's per flavor. For example, if I offered sample packs of the ones I mentioned above, I would have to have over 25k tied up in just sample packs.

Now, don't get me wrong - that's if doing it the right way, as in cGMP. There are companies that don't follow the guidelines and make sample packs themselves to send out - and the large MOQ's to do it correctly is why they do that.

On our end, we are FDA registered and follow all cGMP guidelines and that would just be very difficult right now to have that much money tied up on sample packs because every dollar tied up in samples is a dollar that can't be put into bringing out new products or increasing inventory levels on existing ones. And we spend tens of thousands of dollars a year on testing and compliance and there's no way I could justify doing sample packs in any way other than absolutely by the guidelines.

I am exploring different avenues to be able to do that, and one thing on that may work out but its a significant investment and it would be Q1 of next year before it would be practical.

Thank you for the suggestion though. I really do like the idea - I just wanted to explain why its difficult for us to do.

Now, with all that said, down the road, if there's something that someone wants to try and I know you, I may not mind sending a sample of a flavor to try if I have one open myself. It would just be one of those things where I may could throw in a sample with someone's order that I know who they are when they place an order - but it has to be clearly understood that that's Steve the person doing that, not SNS or CEL the company.
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Who sent you that?

“Steve the Person”
 
sns8778 said:
Ha. Shoot me a text sometimes and I'll be glad to send you some progress pics.

It's actually never been easy for me to 're-gain' in the past. I know that some people have muscle come back fairly quick after a layoff but that's honestly never been the case with me. I've been horribly inconsistent with my training throughout my life bc of lack of time, injuries, and medical conditions.

And this time, I was by far the most of shape I've ever been in terms of the amount of fat I had and the amount of muscle I lost.

The biggest things I'm doing this time is doing a very comprehensive supplement regimen that targets things from a variety of angles and no more experimenting on diet and training for me - I've gone back to the way that works for me. None of the fancy new stuff, back to the diet that I did when I was in the best shape of my life and back to the type of training I was doing then too.

When it comes to supplements, I am very strategic about the things I take and especially moreso now bc I have a lot of making up to do in terms of building back muscle. We all talk about stacking things a lot - but I'm pretty OCD about it and put a lot of thought into what I take personally and why, and there has been a lot of thought and significant detail as to why I'm taking exactly what I'm taking in terms of method of action and how these work together. And its been coming together great - my strength is going up to where I'm having to be smart and keep things on a pace and slow it down to allow my joints and ligaments to keep up any my muscular endurance has been really interesting bc I've always had issues with fatiguing towards the end of my workouts and right now, I feel like I could keep going and going and my strength isn't dropping towards the end. It's the first time in my life ever that I've felt like I could finish as strong as starting. And muscle wise, I'm nowhere near as muscular as some here, but I'm also 45 years old and have an autoimmune and endocrinology condition and got ran over by a car, so context matters haha. The significant thing for me on that is that I'm 4 weeks into this stack and I've gained enough muscle in the last month to where I'm having people comment on it at random places like the grocery store, so that's cool and it helps me mentally bc I'll look at myself one day and be happy with my progress and the next day be bummed bc of how far I have left to go; so knowing others can see it is nice.

I plan on running my supplement stack I'm doing for 20 weeks and I'll probably add a couple things in along the way as new products come out. The natural anabolic we have coming out in a few weeks, I'm extremely excited about for personal use because of the methods of action being pretty unique and it working in ways that make it very stackable with Anabolic XT, Anabolic Effect, and Phosphatidic Acid XT.
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Congratulations on your results! I am sure you will end up where you want to be! I know it's been a struggle but it's great to hear that you are on the mend and getting better, stronger, leaner, etc. Keep at it and good luck!!
 
Steve, not a request , well maybe if you have ideas but any supplements that help with women's hair loss post pregnancy? My wife has tried biotin. I see a lot of reviews for colostrum but no research which tends to make me believe they're hype.

Though a men's/womens hair keep product would be awesome1
 
ironfiend23 said:
Steve, not a request , well maybe if you have ideas but any supplements that help with women's hair loss post pregnancy? My wife has tried biotin. I see a lot of reviews for colostrum but no research which tends to make me believe they're hype.

Though a men's/womens hair keep product would be awesome1
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We are going to be doing a very comprehensive hair, skin, and nails formula probably Q1 of next year. It's a very special project to me and it will be more than just a product; not trying to sound vague, it's just a lot to it and will tie in with some special causes and things so there's a lot more to planning it than just the formula, which itself is done.

First, congratulations on the pregnancy. I will keep you and her in my prayers.

The issue with hair loss and pregnancy is that it is usually hormonal but can be from other things. Biotin is one of the standard go to's for that and it does work for a lot of women, but not everyone. The issue and risky part there is that its not safe or ethical for any ingredients to be tested on pregnant women, so there is a lack of knowledge in general on how things will help with that. I do know of a couple of ingredients that may help, but you would need to check with your doctor to make sure it is okay for her to use them - I have seen clinical studies showing that it is, but this is one of those always ask your doctor situations before having her use anything. BUT I want to check and see if I can find a brand of it that I trust or trust more than others for you - do me a favor and send me a pm with your email address, or if you have my email address, send me an email about this. I am making a note to look and see who is making what I'm thinking about right now. I'm actually thinking of doing one when we do a women's line, but that will be next year sometimes.
 
thescience said:
I hate it when AM stops sending me emails about new posts.
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I gave up on it doing that a long time ago haha. I turned my email notifications off and just look for the alert one it shows up top, but sometimes I miss those too somehow.
 
sns8778 said:
I don't think there's any use putting that in there as its not really much to it imo. USP had a tendency to do prop blends and I'm not a fan of that; but I think they did it and threw small doses of some obscure things in there to make it harder to copy at the time.

When Precision's Primal came out and people said they were getting the same results from it as from the original Prime, there was none of that ingredient in Primal.

I mean, we could throw some in there but honestly it would just be for marketing as I don't think it actually does anything; that's why I was avoiding it.
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that sounds like a spot-on analysis about the superfluous addition of chebulic. it was touted to "expel urine, stool and other waste materials from the body." what bodybuilder wouldn't want to drop a mondo duke between sets? thankfully it was inert in my experience.
 
sns8778 said:
This is one of those that I'm going to have to politely decline to go into details on. The reason for that is because the raw material supplier that provides these exact raws doesn't want spec details given out so as to not make it easier for other companies to copy they're raw materials. They're actually pretty excited on our end that we're bringing this back too.

This is one that I'll give credit to both USP and Precision Research for in not going into details about the exact specifics of it - I don't think they did it to be deceptive or anything, I think they did it so as to not make it easy for others to copy their products.
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this is interesting. it is rather insane how something like that went out of use. i wonder if the secrecy contributed to the novel extract fading into obscurity
 
TommyTuffGuy said:
Do not make me come back into this thread and ask about the Libido supplement. Don’t do it!
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sns alpha yohimbine. youre welcome. day 1 of use is nothing compared to day 8. league of its own. i prepped with it for a vacation with my girlfriend and yeah she was obliterated
 
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TommyTuffGuy said:
Do not make me come back into this thread and ask about the Libido supplement. Don’t do it!
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Ha. I actually have a copy of the label design on my desk in a stack to go thru from the graphic designer right now along with probably half dozen other labels. So the label artwork should be finalized in the next couple of days and they'll be ordered and it will go into production process.

Right now, I think on my desk I have labels to proofread for:

Libido Boost XT
Prostate Support XT
Mood Support XT
Sleep Support XT (melatonin free sleep product)
A new CEL natural anabolic
Another exciting CEL product that will be for fat loss and improved endurance

And those are just the ones I need to proofread; that doesn't include the things already in production and getting ready to come out, which include a new SNS natural anabolic, a nighttime fat burner, and the new Growth Factor XT.
 
thescience said:
this is interesting. it is rather insane how something like that went out of use. i wonder if the secrecy contributed to the novel extract fading into obscurity
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I think there were a variety of factors:
  • It isn't easy to source - I just happen to know the supplier in this case as I've worked with them for years.
  • A lot of people confuse it with Tribulus Terrestris, which makes companies less interested in it bc it's much more expensive.
  • It is not an inexpensive raw material, especially to be just one ingredient.
  • Combined with the high price, it also has to be dosed very high so its not cheap for a single ingredient product.
  • The daily dosage is 6 caps per day or more - which from a sales statistic standpoint, and this would be from a large company standpoint, they look at it like you lose a significant amount of sales anytime you have to go over 4 caps per day.
I think all of those things contributed.
 
thescience said:
sns alpha yohimbine. youre welcome. day 1 of use is nothing compared to day 8. league of its own
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It's a shame that there is so much confusion on Alpha Yohimbine vs. Yohimbine HCI.

There are a lot of people that love Yohimbine HCI but there are many people that can't take it; and a lot of those assume they can't take Alpha Yohimbine, but most of them could if they tried it. Furthermore, a lot of people that think they have used real Alpha Yohimbine haven't because for years it was a very common problem of brands trying to pass off Yohimbine HCI as Alpha Yohimbine or mixing them together to cut costs bc of Alpha Yohimbine being more expensive than Yohimbine HCI.

I can't take Yohimbine HCI even at small doses but I love Alpha Yohimbine caps.
 
thescience said:
sns alpha yohimbine. youre welcome. day 1 of use is nothing compared to day 8. league of its own. i prepped with it for a vacation with my girlfriend and yeah she was obliterated
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Congrats (?) on the obliteration. Haha.
How did you dose this? Just following label instructions?
 
That's interesting, I guess I'll need to try out that Alpha Yohimbine. I had read many times about Yohimbine as a libido booster. I took it once as part of Hi-Techs Stamina-RX and I felt really terrible on it. So I took it as something that's not working for me.
 
sns8778 said:
It's a shame that there is so much confusion on Alpha Yohimbine vs. Yohimbine HCI.

There are a lot of people that love Yohimbine HCI but there are many people that can't take it; and a lot of those assume they can't take Alpha Yohimbine, but most of them could if they tried it. Furthermore, a lot of people that think they have used real Alpha Yohimbine haven't because for years it was a very common problem of brands trying to pass off Yohimbine HCI as Alpha Yohimbine or mixing them together to cut costs bc of Alpha Yohimbine being more expensive than Yohimbine HCI.

I can't take Yohimbine HCI even at small doses but I love Alpha Yohimbine caps.
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It's opposite for me, as the dude on Fitness Deal News says: AY makes me go into SURVIVAL MODE!!!
YHCL has NO sides for me whatsoever.
 
TommyTuffGuy said:
It's opposite for me, as the dude on Fitness Deal News says: AY makes me go into SURVIVAL MODE!!!
YHCL has NO sides for me whatsoever.
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Alpha Yohimbine is great for me but Yohimbine HCI makes me have flu like symptoms even at low dosages.

Real Alpha Yohimbine though I really like for energy and I do think it helps a lot with erection quality.
 
uncle-rico said:
That's interesting, I guess I'll need to try out that Alpha Yohimbine. I had read many times about Yohimbine as a libido booster. I took it once as part of Hi-Techs Stamina-RX and I felt really terrible on it. So I took it as something that's not working for me.
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I wouldn't say that Yohimbine itself is so much of a libido booster as it can help with erection quality. I can't take regular Yohimbine myself because it makes me feel terrible too. But I really like Alpha Yohimbine.
 
sns8778 said:
Alpha Yohimbine is great for me but Yohimbine HCI makes me have flu like symptoms even at low dosages.

Real Alpha Yohimbine though I really like for energy and I do think it helps a lot with erection quality.
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I don’t like the way I feel on it and can’t train on it, but Alpha Y definitely improves my erectile quality and sensitivity.
 
sns8778 said:
It's a shame that there is so much confusion on Alpha Yohimbine vs. Yohimbine HCI.

There are a lot of people that love Yohimbine HCI but there are many people that can't take it; and a lot of those assume they can't take Alpha Yohimbine, but most of them could if they tried it. Furthermore, a lot of people that think they have used real Alpha Yohimbine haven't because for years it was a very common problem of brands trying to pass off Yohimbine HCI as Alpha Yohimbine or mixing them together to cut costs bc of Alpha Yohimbine being more expensive than Yohimbine HCI.

I can't take Yohimbine HCI even at small doses but I love Alpha Yohimbine caps.
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jgraves31 said:
Congrats (?) on the obliteration. Haha.
How did you dose this? Just following label instructions?
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1 cap x2. the label is pretty strict due to the fact that some people skyrocket into dangerous inherent health issues, but i have abused it in the past. the abuse has resulted in some fascinating consequences that i suppose i shouldnt get into here as it might sound like im advocating that abuse
 
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