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Hyde’s Strength Odyssey

MrKleen73 said:
Sounds like such a great time. I bet the boy enjoyed his time with grandma too!
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That's the most important part !! I know my Grandkids LOVE there time with Grammie !! I think she might spoil them ?
 
Dustin07 said:
that's awesome, sounds like her training is on fire right now too!
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Yeah she really has been getting some great sessions in overall. She benched 4x8@160 in the Phoenix last week, putting on some good top end tricep size/lockout power. And both her regular deadlift and farmers deadlift have been climbing steadily as well despite her bodyweight getting down to 150. I think having that second deadlift instance weekly with the farmers is making the difference.

MrKleen73 said:
Sounds like such a great time. I bet the boy enjoyed his time with grandma too!
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Rocket3015 said:
That's the most important part !! I know my Grandkids LOVE there time with Grammie !! I think she might spoil them ?
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She didn’t even try to put him to bed before we picked him up - there he was at 11:15pm in his jammies, watching cartoons, wide awake waiting for us!
 
Hyde said:
Yeah she really has been getting some great sessions in overall. She benched 4x8@160 in the Phoenix last week, putting on some good top end tricep size/lockout power. And both her regular deadlift and farmers deadlift have been climbing steadily as well despite her bodyweight getting down to 150. I think having that second deadlift instance weekly with the farmers is making the Difference.
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Hopefully we can get to see some good video .
 
7/11/23

Circuit, 4 rounds x25 each:
Band Pressdown Monstermini
CS DB Row 25
Incline DB Bench 25,30,35,40

Bench
45,135x5
185,225x3
255,285,315,340,360x1
+yellow slingshot
375,390x1
-gear
310 4x6

Closegrip Bench
225x12

Benchpress weights are starting to get serious! I would say it feels heavy, but it’s always felt that way - the numbers just continue to escalate. Trying to add some extra warmup work in to raise GPP as well. Totally out of time for closegrip training, so I just repped 2 plates as I stripped the bar down.

Also, bumped DHB to 100mg on Sunday to begin week 8 of blast - now 300/200/100 test/mast/dhb. I can definitely see a big difference in how I’m filling my shirts and shorts out.
 
What is your best bench ?
 
Hyde said:
Lol I know - not exactly the 4x6@260lbs done with a slow eccentric tempo per usual, but it’s all I had in me with zero rest!
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I was looking at your slingshot numbers and thinking OK, 60lbs to go to chase down Hyde. then I saw the CGBP and though **** me running lol that's 1 more rep then my all time best with comp grip 😅 😅 not sure I've even tried cgbp over like 205 ha. gonna have to step it up some.
 
Dustin07 said:
I was looking at your slingshot numbers and thinking OK, 60lbs to go to chase down Hyde. then I saw the CGBP and though **** me running lol that's 1 more rep then my all time best with comp grip not sure I've even tried cgbp over like 205 ha. gonna have to step it up some.
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When you see me do the 4x6 closegrip lately, that’s actually done with a tempo. I don’t keep it strict but usually 2-4 second eccentrics.

Today I had just finished the last 310x6, pulled the change off, got back on the bench and pumped out 12 closegrip normal speed. I don’t even know what I could do comp grip for max reps at 225 - it’s not really relevant to 1RM at all.
 
@Hyde @Dustin07 you both have some very impressive lifts / numbers ! You inspire us all !! Thank you!
 
That’s awesome your wife is going for a world record in a few weeks, very impressive. Glad you and your family had a great time, and it’s always fun with the little ones, especially at that age where everything is an exploration. As impressive as that best Bench of 391 is, I believe you’re getting ready to fly by that and break the 405 Bench barrier.💪
 
Dustin07 said:
ha I'm nowhere near this monster but I appreciate the kind words.
I'm trying to at least close a gap somewhere here so he can see me in the rear view mirror ;) hahaha
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This quote from John is on a shirt I have - what I love most about it is that anyone can read it and understand that it’s fundamentally true.
 
Hyde said:
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This quote from John is on a shirt I have - what I love most about it is that anyone can read it and understand that it’s fundamentally true.
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I Love It !!!!
 
Hyde said:
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This quote from John is on a shirt I have - what I love most about it is that anyone can read it and understand that it’s fundamentally true.
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amen! pair it with one of my old favorites and it pains to watch people roll over and not give life hell in fear of a sore joint or whatever.

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Hyde said:
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This quote from John is on a shirt I have - what I love most about it is that anyone can read it and understand that it’s fundamentally true.
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I just had to post this on my Facebook Page............. One of the Greatest Quotes Ever!!
 
7/12/23
BW 251.0

Circuit, 3 rounds:
Goblet Squats BWx25,20,15
GHR BWx20,15,15
GHR Sit-ups BW 3x20

Frontsquat
45,95,145x2
195,245,275x1
+belt
315,355,385x1
-belt
225 3x8

Legpress
+360,540x20

Good Girls
40,80x20
100,120x15

Felt really exhausted going into this for some reason and also had to train extra late so I couldn’t use my normal caffeine, but I was pleasantly surprised with my strength. Frontsquats just kept blasting up! I started passing out once I got to 315, so I had a spotter help me rerack 355 & 385 and shut it down for safety’s sake there - but I am fairly confident I could have eclipsed my lifetime best of 415 (if I could stay conscious). So that’s exciting.

Added more warmup volume before the big lift and tried to trim rest periods some as well.
 
That’s a serious front squat at 385, but your best at 415 is pretty amazing. To be honest, even if I could do a 415 front squat I would be a little freaked out to even attempt it.
 
Yeah, I can’t imagine what 415 would feel like in a front squat. I remember I took 355 x 1 back around my last powerlifting meet when I cut down to compete as a 165, and I think it almost killed me.
 
I started passing out once I got to 315

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wow dude, keep going. outside of legit olympic lifters running intense clean and jerks, I don't think I've ever seen someone front squat 385+ before.
 
Rocket3015 said:
I started passing out once I got to 315

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When it gets heavier the bar seeks the lowest point and tends to role back onto my windpipe. So I can’t really take on any more air appreciably after I unrack it - once I take the weight, I’m on a very tight clock. And the harder I strain to make the lift, the more oxygen my muscles use up.

I have been able to fix it in the past some, but my delts were also smaller then.

Dustin07 said:
wow dude, keep going. outside of legit olympic lifters running intense clean and jerks, I don't think I've ever seen someone front squat 385+ before.
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This is 415lbs from the beginning of 2019:

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Jezze Uepa has done 893lbs/405kg:

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Hyde said:
When it gets heavier the bar seeks the lowest point and tends to role back onto my windpipe. So I can’t really take on any more air appreciably after I unrack it - once I take the weight, I’m on a very tight clock. And the harder I strain to make the lift, the more oxygen my muscles use up.

I have been able to fix it in the past some, but my delts were also smaller then.



This is 415lbs from the beginning of 2019:

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Jezze Uepa has done 893lbs/405kg:

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took my boy to get his first suit a few weeks back and Mr Ray at the mens store said he needed to go up a waist size and tailer it in because he had that thunder in his legs. You Sir, have the thunder in your legs. hammies/quads looking thick in that shot.
 
Dustin07 said:
took my boy to get his first suit a few weeks back and Mr Ray at the mens store said he needed to go up a waist size and tailer it in because he had that thunder in his legs. You Sir, have the thunder in your legs. hammies/quads looking thick in that shot.
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Lol they’re bigger now. I still have those shorts and I fill them out these days.
 
Resolve10 said:
It isn't super uncommon for lifters doing front squats/cleans.

Actual blocking of the windpipe isn't usually an issue unless it is longer sets.

Sometimes if the bar is sitting in the improper position (improper set up, it moves, or you catch a clean not exactly where you want) it can lead to occlusion of the carotid artery. Probably even more susceptible in larger/more muscular individuals since the musculature causes the occlusion not usually the bar directly.

Other times with tons of intrathoracic pressure you can decrease cardiac output which during a longer set can lead to lightheadedness or it can cause vagal nerve stimulation.

Hyde is experienced enough he probably knows this or how to counter it, just a FYI in case anyone else was wondering.

Eclipsing 400+ on Front Squats really is something though, you can get by with some wiggle room in some exercises, but the rigidity needed for that is tough.
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What I know is I’m definitely passing out, as I will get very tingly all over especially in my legs and I lose my vision pretty rapidly (and balance after). But I was using a Cerberus deadlift belt, which is a simple soft ring, not a hard power belt. So excess pressure isn’t as likely as the carotid issue you’re mentioning.

Any tips for ways to combat that?
 
I have never heard a discussion on solving the passing out. I know what you mean, I've seen stars many times and today I actually wondered if I would finish my top deadlift fully conscious but I haven't actually seen discussion on 'curing' it.

Resolve10 said:
Probably even more susceptible in larger/more muscular individuals since the musculature causes the occlusion not usually the bar directly.
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I truly believe its a flexibility and practice thing. I personally do not at all like the crossed arm approach (I have no issue with it, I just am not comfortable with it) and that's likely cause I came into front squats from Oly lifting so from day 1 I had to learn a clean approach.

Klokov does not lack muscularity so for what it's worth, I believe big guys can get into position but like anything, it's likely a tough skill that requires some development. larger guys often take a wider grip if necessary until they can come in more.

you'll often see top athletes bounce the bar at the top to change their grip to jerk position too.

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edit, I think it was Warsheeper back in the day that said their coach made them use straps when front squatting to force the hands to stay in clean position:

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Hyde said:
When it gets heavier the bar seeks the lowest point and tends to role back onto my windpipe. So I can’t really take on any more air appreciably after I unrack it - once I take the weight, I’m on a very tight clock. And the harder I strain to make the lift, the more oxygen my muscles use up.

I have been able to fix it in the past some, but my delts were also smaller then.



This is 415lbs from the beginning of 2019:

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Jezze Uepa has done 893lbs/405kg:

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One word…..IMPRESSIVE 👏 💪
 
Dustin07 said:
I have never heard a discussion on solving the passing out. I know what you mean, I've seen stars many times and today I actually wondered if I would finish my top deadlift fully conscious but I haven't actually seen discussion on 'curing' it.



I truly believe its a flexibility and practice thing. I personally do not at all like the crossed arm approach (I have no issue with it, I just am not comfortable with it) and that's likely cause I came into front squats from Oly lifting so from day 1 I had to learn a clean approach.

Klokov does not lack muscularity so for what it's worth, I believe big guys can get into position but like anything, it's likely a tough skill that requires some development. larger guys often take a wider grip if necessary until they can come in more.

you'll often see top athletes bounce the bar at the top to change their grip to jerk position too.

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edit, I think it was Warsheeper back in the day that said their coach made them use straps when front squatting to force the hands to stay in clean position:

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It’s different with deadlift. Speaking from experience there, if that’s happening, it’s a breathing/pressurization/blood pressure management issue. You have to change how/when you breathe, where you place the belt or how tight it is, and/or what your bp is doing.

Realistically, I’m thicker than Klokov. Yes he’s more muscular, but he’s also much leaner. He’s quite lanky, and that grip was developed since he was a child in the weightlifting hall & has kept it as he grew. And he doesn’t have the damaged elbow flexion limitations I have - I thought about trying a strap, as that’s how plenty of people do it, but I literally don’t have one long enough to accommodate my left arm. It simply does not bend that much - it’s mainly off the bar when I Frontsquat now, unless the bar starts to roll forward.

Plus, none of the biggest frontsquats were done with a front rack hold, all by guys much thicker than Klokov. Warrick Brant, Derek Kendall, Jezze all do it cross-armed. Success leaves cues.
 
Is anyone else as impressed as I am, day after day with Hyde's knowledge of the sport, it history and his willingness to share. Hyde you are truly one of the largest assets to this board. Thank you!
 
Rocket3015 said:
Is anyone else as impressed as I am, day after day with Hyde's knowledge of the sport, it history and his willingness to share. Hyde you are truly one of the largest assets to this board. Thank you!
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I just enjoy talking/learning about lifting (and doing it lol)!

@Dustin07 I was thinking about Klokov being taught to lift properly from a very young age and remembered this interview with Misha you might enjoy. It’s mainly about Misha but I remember finding it fascinating. They talk about being brought into the halls and taught technique. Then eventually they feed them Dbol - the ones who respond well, they keep training for weightlifting

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Hyde said:
I just enjoy talking/learning about lifting (and doing it lol)!

@Dustin07 I was thinking about Klokov being taught to lift properly from a very young age and remembered this interview with Misha you might enjoy. It’s mainly about Misha but I remember finding it fascinating. They talk about being brought into the halls and taught technique. Then eventually they feed them Dbol - the ones who respond well, they keep training for weightlifting

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Haha that's awesome, I'll give it a look!
I remember a klokov interview years ago when they asked him how he felt about Froning. He said Froning very impressive athlete. Must have great pharmacist
 
Resolve10 said:
A lot of them change grips because optimal pressing/jerking overhead positioning doesn't always mean the same hand positioning for receiving a clean.
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exactly, often to go wider. or to fix the grip too since the pull might start with a hook grip but finish without
 
jimbuick said:
Have y’all tried not being such big bitches? That’s what helps me keep from passing out with front squats.
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I have seen Clint Darden use a mega tub of ammonia that he duct-taped open to the top of his Viking harness that he uses to keep the lights on.

I did try huffing ammonia before 385, not like traditional nasal breathing but some inhalation with my mouth over the bottle to try to hyper oxygenate a little. I made the lift but it was a closer call than 355 still, timing-wise. Not really the solution.

Something I always forget about but may help - I’ve seen people use cans of portable oxygen for a big whiff before medleys and such right before they destroy everyone. Could be worth a try.

Resolve10 said:
I am going to be honest I don't know enough about it to probably warrant too much of a good response. It could still just be vagal nerve stimulation and maybe interactions with blood pressure? That or the fact that cross arm technique probably just makes it harder to elevate the shoulders and scaps to fight off the issues compared to other grip options, combining that with the fact most cross arm are due to just how muscular you/individuals who use it are, it honestly seems to me like it is unfortunately one of those trade off situations. Might not be "completely" avoidable without spending time increasing mobility, etc that probably just aren't worth your time just for front squatting, if that makes sense being it isn't a major goal for most in that position.

I usually solve it a bit on longer sets by breathing out/hissing a bit on the way up for front squats/cleans before re-engaging/breathing for the following rep, but I don't know how helpful that is for more maximal attempts. It only happens to me sometimes on longer 300+lbs front squat sets or because I catch a clean wrong.

Sorry I can't offer a better answer. I'm not muscular enough to have this issue too often.



A lot of them change grips because optimal pressing/jerking overhead positioning doesn't always mean the same hand positioning for receiving a clean.
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I still appreciate your feedback, thank you. Something I forgot about until just now is the barbell club has a Viking harness that I can try as well if the SSB doesn’t work out for me.
 
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Gonna ask the wife if she would be interested in these; I’ve seen people use and like them.
 
Hyde said:
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Gonna ask the wife if she would be interested in these; I’ve seen people use and like them.
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I think this might be the definition of HARDCORE !! (I Like It)
 
7/15/23

Circuit, 3 rounds:
Band Pullaparts Light 3x35
Push-ups 3x25
Standing Cable Low Rope Row 80 3x25

Band Snatch, Rotators

Swissbar Widegrip Bench
35,85,135x5
175,185,195,205,215,225,235,245x10
225 2x10

Swissbar JM Press
35,85,125x10
175 2x10

BB Strictpress
45,65,85,105x10
105 3x12

Waved from 8x8 to 10x10 on widegrip bench, and used the Swissbar in a reverse grip to take some pressure off my pec & shift some emphasis. I did enjoy getting the push-ups in prior. I did not do reverse hyper or lats because I deadlift tomorrow. Normally this day is early Friday, but I had to work until 3am Friday for a special work maintainence window.

Got up at 3:30 today and went with the wife to the gym she’s been doing her strongman Saturdays on before she goes to work. She worked up to a circus dumbbell single of 118lbs on a cylinder style db, then went to her globe-style db and did 2 singles with 130lbs and one with 135lbs!

That ties her lifetime PR at 10-12lbs lighter bodyweight, and is a 5lb best at this size.
 
Great to see both you and the wife are making progress !!
 
That’s some serious early morning volume with that 10x10 on Widegrip Bench. You had your lifting and cardio all rolled into one on that workout.
 
7/16/23

Back Extensions
2x20

ss w/ Back-Supported Hanging Leg Raises
2x15

KB Suitcase Carries
KB One-leg Deadlift

Dynamic Squat
45 2x5
135,225x3
315 5x3

Dynamic Deadlift, stiffbar
225x3
315x2
355 10x1

Snatchgrip Deadlift
+straps & belt
355,365,375x8

Lying Leg Curl
68,88x25
108 2x12

alt w/ Lat Pulldown
77,99,121x15
143 2x10

Did NOT want to get out of bed today, and everything was tight. Still, got some really great practice in, and my low back & hamstrings were absolutely smoked by the end. Some good stimulation for quads, lats, & abs too.

12 weeks out today.
 
Love that snatch grip, I've been throwing it in with rows for lat width but totally forgot about working them into deads since I haven't really had any emphasis on oly lately.
 
Dustin07 said:
Love that snatch grip, I've been throwing it in with rows for lat width but totally forgot about working them into deads since I haven't really had any emphasis on oly lately.
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If you got a pair of straps, you got a deficit/longer pull! No extra setup necessary. They really fry my erectors.
 
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