Mani's Trest Cycle Log 4.21.23

[gphagan1]

I totally get it. The curiosity, the greed to have more, bigger, better now - it’s very natural with what we do & why we’re doing all this in the first place. I am just saying that the notion that more is better is a fallacy. Taking more drugs WILL allow you to gain size, weight & strength faster.
Plus, the risk of injury with rapid increases is VERY real. I NEVER worry that the power is going to be there come time to compete - I worry that my tendons stay attached during the lifts I’ll attempt to perform. It’s not how much nitrous I can spray - it’s about trying to get the horsepower to the ground without blowing the driveline somewhere.

Look up any SHIC cycle results and you’ll see plenty of guys who ran into issues that end the run, very often injuries, health scares or just feeling terrible. Using big doses is one thing if you are adapted to it, like guys staying on grams of stuff, but rapid increases into very new territory are never a good idea.

Yep, I’ll never go 300 again, and actually maybe not even 150, because I see results with 75 a week. I had pushed it to 300 because I didn’t really experience the heavy sides, and felt comfortable enough that I could pull the plug. Also was benching over 315 for the first time since my late 30s early 40s, so was just curious what I could do at that age. I did gain the strength and put on some good size for my age, but it was the first time I experienced significant bloating and couldn’t keep my blood pressure down, which was enough that I should have stopped, but my bench was soaring and I got greedy. So I paid the price in the long run with injuries and a long recovery, just wasn’t worth it.

 

[Mikereyn513]

I totally get it. The curiosity, the greed to have more, bigger, better now - it’s very natural with what we do & why we’re doing all this in the first place. I am just saying that the notion that more is better is a fallacy. Taking more drugs WILL allow you to gain size, weight & strength faster.

What it cannot do is allow you to gain quality contractile tissue greater than whatever your unrealized rate-limiting factors may be. If you cannot eat enough calories because you become too toxic to digest it all, or just can’t stomach X,000 calories, or missing necessary micronutrients for cellular processes like zinc for IGF1, etc, or bp and lethargy are so bad you can barely train to generate stimulus, and so on. Even if you can meet the demands now, at some point you run out of road at X dose, and if you can’t take even more drugs then the progress is done.

Plus, the risk of injury with rapid increases is VERY real. I NEVER worry that the power is going to be there come time to compete - I worry that my tendons stay attached during the lifts I’ll attempt to perform. It’s not how much nitrous I can spray - it’s about trying to get the horsepower to the ground without blowing the driveline somewhere.

Look up any SHIC cycle results and you’ll see plenty of guys who ran into issues that end the run, very often injuries, health scares or just feeling terrible. Using big doses is one thing if you are adapted to it, like guys staying on grams of stuff, but rapid increases into very new territory are never a good idea.

F.cking perfect analogy bro

 

[manifesto]

Yep, I’ll never go 300 again, and actually maybe not even 150, because I see results with 75 a week. I had pushed it to 300 because I didn’t really experience the heavy sides, and felt comfortable enough that I could pull the plug. Also was benching over 315 for the first time since my late 30s early 40s, so was just curious what I could do at that age. I did gain the strength and put on some good size for my age, but it was the first time I experienced significant bloating and couldn’t keep my blood pressure down, which was enough that I should have stopped, but my bench was soaring and I got greedy. So I paid the price in the long run with injuries and a long recovery, just wasn’t worth it.

The crazy thing is, I'm at 210 per week and have ZERO sides...and I've only taken 1mg of arimidex in 12 days on

 

[manifesto]

I dont think the Trest is bunk....I guess I'm just lucky so far

 

[manifesto]

I've heardnof people needing daily AIs on this sh1t

 

[gphagan1]

The crazy thing is, I'm at 210 per week and have ZERO sides...and I've only taken 1mg of arimidex in 12 days on

Yeah, it did sound like you were responding good without sides. If you are getting results though I would just ride it out there and see how it goes. Like Hyde said no need to increase if everything is going smoothly. I will say it can give you that ten foot tall and bulletproof mentality, especially when everything is going good, so it can lead you to believe everything will be all right, and it may, but it can go sideways pretty quick. With me the blood pressure side had me the most concerned, but then after injuring my shoulder that was obviously the worst “side” I guess you could say.

 

[gphagan1]

I dont think the Trest is bunk....I guess I'm just lucky so far

I know the Ace I’ve gotten from them definitely wasn’t bunk. Now I haven’t tried their Trest Deca., and I’ve heard some speculate that it may be under dosed, but their Ace has always been good to me.

 

[Mikereyn513]

I know the Ace I’ve gotten from them definitely wasn’t bunk. Now I haven’t tried their Trest Deca., and I’ve heard some speculate that it may be under dosed, but their Ace has always been good to me.

Are you talking about AA's trest?

 

[manifesto]

Are you talking about AA's trest?

I'm using Trest Ace from AA and I believe @gphagan1 was too

 

[manifesto]

@gphagan1 were you using the AA Ralox when you deployed it for the Trest cycle?

 

[gphagan1]

Are you talking about AA's trest?

Yes

@gphagan1 were you using the AA Ralox when you deployed it for the Trest cycle?

It was from MA Research.

 

[Hyde]

I don’t want to say it’s wrong to take any dosage; I just want to be clear that I think it’s wrong to greatly increase drugs when things are progressing well without bad side effects & it hasn’t been very long, and there is no absolute timeline that must be met.

Especially concerning compounds that are new to you and have real potential to mess things up with gyno and such. This ain’t primo.

 

[manifesto]

Day 13

Nothing new to report. All is going good. I'll post an updated weight and some pics tomorrow.

 

[manifesto]

 

[manifesto]

I knew I needed to make a change in my life, and this was the best thing I've ever done. I'm the dad, husband, and son I need to be now.

I was never a one or two drink guy...I was always in it to get fvcked up....maybe I was running from something, or maybe I just enjoyed the feeling...I don't know.

I tried time and time again to moderate with no success.

No looking back now.

 

[Hyde]

I knew I needed to make a change in my life, and this was the best thing I've ever done. I'm the dad, husband, and son I need to be now.

I was never a one or two drink guy...I was always in it to get fvcked up....maybe I was running from something, or maybe I just enjoyed the feeling...I don't know.

I tried time and time again to moderate with no success.

No looking back now.

“Never stray from the way.” - Musashi

When you live your life in harmony with your personal beliefs & values, you will be satisfied with yourself each day.

 

[manifesto]

 

[Mikereyn513]

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Wow that's really good...are you taking any pharm bp meds?

 

[manifesto]

Wow that's really good...are you taking any pharm bp meds?

Nothing bro....just Cialis at 10mg and daily sauna.

 

[gphagan1]

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Congratulations, that’s awesome man.

 

[manifesto]

What is your guys opinion on running Nolva for the entirety of a blast (in my case Trest/test/mast)?

Will it hurt gains? Is the reduction of IGF1 a concern while blasting?

 

[Hyde]

What is your guys opinion on running Nolva for the entirety of a blast (in my case Trest/test/mast)?

Will it hurt gains? Is the reduction of IGF1 a concern while blasting?

That IGF1 bullshit has been spread around the forums by gains goblins as long as I’ve been reading them at least - no it doesn’t fucking matter. Yes it does lower it like 25% in human studies - on normal people not injecting abusive quantities of AAS like we are. If you let your estrogen get higher, you’re still going to convert decently. You are loading up on trestolone, and can even take exogenous GH multiple times a days if desired to totally bypass the natural production scenario. It just doesn’t play out as a net detriment when running higher test & estrogen levels in bodybuilders.

The study is facts, but the cohort isn’t relevant. Blood clotting is what you need to be mindful of in determining your use of Tamoxifen.

 

[manifesto]

That IGF1 bullshit has been spread around the forums by gains goblins as long as I’ve been reading them at least - no it doesn’t fucking matter. Yes it does lower it like 25% in human studies - on normal people not injecting abusive quantities of AAS like we are. If you let your estrogen get higher, you’re still going to convert decently. You are loading up on trestolone, and can even take exogenous GH multiple times a days if desired to totally bypass the natural production scenario. It just doesn’t play out as a net detriment when running higher test & estrogen levels in bodybuilders.

The study is facts, but the cohort isn’t relevant. Blood clotting is what you need to be mindful of in determining your use of Tamoxifen.

Awesome. Thanks, brother

 

[manifesto]

Day 14

feeling strong as hell, and muscles are pretty much pumped all day at this point. I have a bit of a flushed and warm feeling, but BP is perfect.

Trest feels like a strong oral steroid to me (SD, high dose at T Bol).... im not experience any negative sides...no bloat, no nipple issues. I'm not going crazy on the heavy weights, just increasing volume and mind/muscle connections.

I feel like I could stay in the gym all day. Libido is in full swing

 

[MrKleen73]

Sounds like this run is really treating you well. Jealous of that stable BP man. You can tell you are doing everything right, and also have some good genetics for running gear to be keeping everything in such good order so far.

 

[manifesto]

Day 15

Hit legs, swam for a bit, and 20 minutes in the sauna. Just finished a 2 mile ruck to get the blood flowing.

Libido is high, but manageable. I'm really enjoying this Trest run. It really does feel like I'm on a methylated oral steroid without the semi-toxic feeling that accompanies those.

I'm not experiencing any negative sides. My blood pressure has been perfect l, and not really any bloating. I really feel my consistent sauna use has helped immensely. Also, my daily supplemental routine hasn't wavered for a couple years now. It's probably paying dividends now.

For me, slow and steady wins the race. I don't play with the bulk/cut stuff. I make slow gains, and add calories as I see fit. This is a lifestyle for me, and I'm in no rush.

208lbs
5.5.23 (post ruck)

 

[Ironpirate]

Day 15

Hit legs, swam for a bit, and 20 minutes in the sauna. Just finished a 2 mile ruck to get the blood flowing.

Libido is high, but manageable. I'm really enjoying this Trest run. It really does feel like I'm on a methylated oral steroid without the semi-toxic feeling that accompanies those.

I'm not experiencing any negative sides. My blood pressure has been perfect l, and not really any bloating. I really feel my consistent sauna use has helped immensely. Also, my daily supplemental routine hasn't wavered for a couple years now. It's probably paying dividends now.

For me, slow and steady wins the race. I don't play with the bulk/cut stuff. I make slow gains, and add calories as I see fit. This is a lifestyle for me, and I'm in no rush.

208lbs
5.5.23 (post ruck)
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You are making me consider one more go at ment.

 

[Mr Green]

That IGF1 bullshit has been spread around the forums by gains goblins as long as I’ve been reading them at least - no it doesn’t fucking matter. Yes it does lower it like 25% in human studies - on normal people not injecting abusive quantities of AAS like we are. If you let your estrogen get higher, you’re still going to convert decently. You are loading up on trestolone, and can even take exogenous GH multiple times a days if desired to totally bypass the natural production scenario. It just doesn’t play out as a net detriment when running higher test & estrogen levels in bodybuilders.

The study is facts, but the cohort isn’t relevant. Blood clotting is what you need to be mindful of in determining your use of Tamoxifen.

Same opinion on metformin?

 

[gphagan1]

Day 15

Hit legs, swam for a bit, and 20 minutes in the sauna. Just finished a 2 mile ruck to get the blood flowing.

Libido is high, but manageable. I'm really enjoying this Trest run. It really does feel like I'm on a methylated oral steroid without the semi-toxic feeling that accompanies those.

I'm not experiencing any negative sides. My blood pressure has been perfect l, and not really any bloating. I really feel my consistent sauna use has helped immensely. Also, my daily supplemental routine hasn't wavered for a couple years now. It's probably paying dividends now.

For me, slow and steady wins the race. I don't play with the bulk/cut stuff. I make slow gains, and add calories as I see fit. This is a lifestyle for me, and I'm in no rush.

208lbs
5.5.23 (post ruck)
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Looking vascular and pumped….let the gain train keep on going.

 

[Hyde]

Same opinion on metformin?

Yes, exact same scenario.

Justin Harris talked about taking AAS like being on a ship that’s sinking. Taking Metformin is like throwing a chair off the side of the boat - it may technically slow the sinking ever so slightly, but regardless that ship is absolutely still going down.

 

[Mikereyn513]

Yes, exact same scenario.

Justin Harris talked about taking AAS like being on a ship that’s sinking. Taking Metformin is like throwing a chair off the side of the boat - it may technically slow the sinking ever so slightly, but regardless that ship is absolutely still going down.

Yea he was saying that with all the gear and gh we take our igf 1 levels are so high that even if the metformin brings it down a little were still waaayy abve the reference range

 

[manifesto]

Day 18 (Chest/Bi)

25mg Trest Ace
100 Test Cyp
200 Mast E
20mg Nolva
.5mg Arimidex

Everything is moving along nicely. Great pumps and endless energy in the gym. I literally feel like I could re-do the entire workout.

I've been pushing the calories a little higher above maintenance than usual. Weighed in at 210 this morning with pretty defined abs still.

Nipples really aren't bothering me....they seem a little puffy, but that very well could be the ssh1t ton of carbs I've been consuming. I went ahead and bumped my Inhibit E to 4 caps, and .5 Arimidex m-w-f.

I just ordered up some bloodwork from Ulta Labs (Lipids, estradiol, liver values/kidney, prolactin). I'll get this done next week, and post results.

 

[Hyde]

So what does a typical training day look like right now? Mainly interested in exercises you like, about how long it takes, whatever you want to share if you do.

 

[manifesto]

Haha sorry bro..I guess I just neglect to post my workouts because I'm not very strong

Today was
Chest
Flat DB press 4×10-12
Incline HS 4×10-12
Weighted dips 4x10-12
DB flies 4×10-12
Push ups, 3 x failure

Bis
DB hammer curls 4×8-10
BB curls 4×8-10

I need to get better at writing down weights used. I literally go off memory. And then I adjust accordingly. Extremely slow negatives

 

[manifesto]

So my nipples don't itch and are not painful, but are WAYY more puffy today than they have been.

Should I up the Anastrozole until this subsides?

 

[manifesto]

It's almost like it's localized water retention...I got up and moving and swimming and they are back to normal....so weird....I wish there was a way to make this b1txhes permanently errect

 

[Smont]

Those McGriddles are

Love Mcgriddles and those little Mc Doubles.

 

[Smont]

So my nipples don't itch and are not painful, but are WAYY more puffy today than they have been.

Should I up the Anastrozole until this subsides?

My opinion, once you get puffy nips it never really goes away, it just comes and goes indefinitely till you get surgery or temporarily hammer estrogen into the dirt, but it's gonna come back

 

[Hyde]

So my nipples don't itch and are not painful, but are WAYY more puffy today than they have been.

Should I up the Anastrozole until this subsides?

My opinion, once you get puffy nips it never really goes away, it just comes and goes indefinitely till you get surgery or temporarily hammer estrogen into the dirt, but it's gonna come back

I think if it’s just starting, now is the time to take action. Once it’s a longterm thing, it will indeed be a longterm thing. I would up the AI for sure.

Also, I’d skip tomorrow’s Trest shot to give it a breather.

 

[Hyde]

Haha sorry bro..I guess I just neglect to post my workouts because I'm not very strong

Today was
Chest
Flat DB press 4×10-12
Incline HS 4×10-12
Weighted dips 4x10-12
DB flies 4×10-12
Push ups, 3 x failure

Bis
DB hammer curls 4×8-10
BB curls 4×8-10

I need to get better at writing down weights used. I literally go off memory. And then I adjust accordingly. Extremely slow negatives

I miss the HS incline. The Nautilus one my gym has sucks eggs; I don’t even bother.

 

[manifesto]

I think if it’s just starting, now is the time to take action. Once it’s a longterm thing, it will indeed be a longterm thing. I would up the AI for sure.

Also, I’d skip tomorrow’s Trest shot to give it a breather.

Yeah, I was leaning that way as well. I'm going to start 25mg trest EOD for a bit

I'll keep the nolva going and up the AI to .5mg arimidex daily

 

[manifesto]

I'll tell u what though...im strong AF on Trest...like Anadrol strong, and full looking as well

 

[manifesto]

@Hyde what do you think about upping the Nolva to 40mg? Think this would help the nips?

 

[gphagan1]

You could go ahead and increase the Nolva to 40 for a few days and see if it makes a difference, but if you don’t notice a change you may want to switch to Ralox.

 

[manifesto]

You could go ahead and increase the Nolva to 40 for a few days and see if it makes a difference, but if you don’t notice a change you may want to switch to Ralox.

Yeah, I was just thinking that....what did you run the RALOX at?

 

[gphagan1]

I started at 30 and stayed there, but according to how bad it is, you may want to start at 60.

 

[manifesto]

I'm going to cut carbs for a couple days as well....see if water drops off...

I just love me some carbs

 

[Mikereyn513]

My opinion, once you get puffy nips it never really goes away, it just comes and goes indefinitely till you get surgery or temporarily hammer estrogen into the dirt, but it's gonna come back

Yup mine are puffy right now it is what it is..I have nolva on hand but it's like what's the point I'd rather have puffy nipples than have to take another drug

 

[Mikereyn513]

Day 18 (Chest/Bi)

25mg Trest Ace
100 Test Cyp
200 Mast E
20mg Nolva
.5mg Arimidex

Everything is moving along nicely. Great pumps and endless energy in the gym. I literally feel like I could re-do the entire workout.

I've been pushing the calories a little higher above maintenance than usual. Weighed in at 210 this morning with pretty defined abs still.

Nipples really aren't bothering me....they seem a little puffy, but that very well could be the ssh1t ton of carbs I've been consuming. I went ahead and bumped my Inhibit E to 4 caps, and .5 Arimidex m-w-f.

I just ordered up some bloodwork from Ulta Labs (Lipids, estradiol, liver values/kidney, prolactin). I'll get this done next week, and post results.

Damn yourr up to 210!? You weigh more than me now. I'm down to 206. Kinda worried that I may turn into a woman before this thing is over. @Smont And @Hyde know what I'm talking about

 

[manifesto]

Yup mine are puffy right now it is what it is..I have nolva on hand but it's like what's the point I'd rather have puffy nipples than have to take another drug

What's causing the puffiness for you? The Tren?