The Solution & Anabolic Effect

Mesocycle #14
Week 8 Day 2

Tempo Indication: Eccentric Pause:Concentric:Flex (x:x:x:x)
All Rep Tempo's are 2:1:2:2
Rest Times are 90 Seconds

HS Machine Bench
4 Plates/Side x 8 (3 Sets)

Incline Smith Bench Press:
1-25/Side x 8
2-25/Side x 8
3-25/Side x 8 (2 Sets)

DB Bench:
60's x 10
80's x 10 --> 70's x 8 --> 60's x 10

HS Machine Fly:
100 x 10 + 10 Partials (3 Sets)

DB Side Lateral's
30's x 8 (4 Sets)

Rear Delt DB Swings:
30's x 15 (4 Sets)

Dual Rope Pressdowns
140 x 12 (4 Sets)

Overhead Rope Extension
35's x 10 + 15 Second Stretch (4 Sets)

Post-Workout:
Pumpkin Loaf with Almond Butter
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Almost 2 Weeks in, strength still holding steady, weight is down another .2, trucking along.
 
Mesocycle #14
Week 8 Day 4

Tempo Indication: Eccentric: Pause: Concentric: Flex (x:x:x:x)
All Rep Tempo's are 2:1:2:2
Rest Times are 90 Seconds

DB Twist Press:
70's x 8 (4 Sets)

A1: Cable Crossover
30 Each Hand x 8 (3 sets)

A2: HS Decline Chest Press
3 Plates/Side x 8 (3 Sets)

B1: HS Rear Laterals
70 x 15 (3 Sets)

B2: DB Bent over Swings
25's x 20 (3 Sets)

C1: V-Bar Pushdown (3:1;1:1)
140 x 8 (4 Sets)

C2: DB Lying Extensions
30's x 12 (4 Sets)

Post-Workout:
Blueberry Glazed Loaf:
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Still, I have not picked up much on the product. Weight is down another .2 so far which is trucking along linear which is rare for me. usually I stall for weeks and drop in chunks. I have been using VasoForce XT for my workouts (5 samples), so I will drop that review this weekend compared to my normal FullBlitz/VasoBlitz combo.

I have been waking up an hour earlier since starting a new job to train (4:30 AM), but that has not impacted me one bit in the weight room, getting in my meals, or day to day recovery. I still manage to get 6-7 hours of sleep a night which keeps me trucking along just fine.
 
Your level of consistency is always impressive Bob, I admire that about you!
 
17 Day Update

Help building lean muscle
** I am not eating in a surplus, nor will I be jacking up my calories weekly to "Feed the Supplement". If that was the case nobody would ever know how well a "Supplement" works when you consistently skew nutrition. Training has been very consistent from the 10-day update to the 17 day update. So far holding steady with my weights as form and time under tension are a higher priority.

- Improve Strength
** See Above

- Improve endurance
Endurance and recovery have been pretty steady, I have had nothing to note in regards to this on a day to day basis.

- Aid weight loss & Body Composition
A small drop from last week, looking leaner in the mirror
Weight 169.4 (-.2)

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- Improve Pumps & Fullness (S7 Inclusion)
Finished up testing out VasoForce XT for 5 workout sessions. Posted my review in the Vasoforce log, will move back to VasoBlitz + Fullblitz pre-workout combo.

- Improved Nutrient Uptake (Astragin)
Digestion has been good, but then again I don't eat too much in the first place, and very meticulous on the food sources I do consume on a day to day basis. My diet is pretty much laid out and similar M-F with minimal changes just due to work schedule. I tend to keep food sources simple and low in FODMAP to avoid any bloating, GI Distress.
 
Nice update and progress pics. Shoulders looking leaner imo.
 
Mesocycle #14
Week 9 Day 3

Tempo Indication: Eccentric: Pause:Concentric:Flex (x:x:x:x)
All Rep Tempo's are 2:1:2:2
Rest Times are 90 Seconds

Braced Incline DB Pronated Row:
40's x 10 (3 Sets)

A1: Neutral Grip Pulldown:
110 x 8 (4 Sets)

A2: V-Bar Pullover:
100 x 10 (4 Sets)

Cable Hammer Curl
70 x 15 (4 Sets)

Reverse Curl (3:1:1:1)
65 x 15 (4 Sets)

Post-Workout:
Cereal & Whey
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Not seeing the fullness many users are repeating over and over

no change on libido

sleep has not changed

Down another .02 so far this week. Slowly dropping.
 
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Slow and steady Bob, Killing it!
 
LeanEngineer said:
Nice update and progress pics. Shoulders looking leaner imo.
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Is my browser just not showing me his progress pics or something? I feel like I am missing out. LOL
 
The Solution said:
Mesocycle #14
Week 9 Day 3

Tempo Indication: Eccentric: Pause:Concentric:Flex (x:x:x:x)
All Rep Tempo's are 2:1:2:2
Rest Times are 90 Seconds

Braced Incline DB Pronated Row:
40's x 10 (3 Sets)

A1: Neutral Grip Pulldown:
110 x 8 (4 Sets)

A2: V-Bar Pullover:
100 x 10 (4 Sets)

Cable Hammer Curl
70 x 15 (4 Sets)

Reverse Curl (3:1:1:1)
65 x 15 (4 Sets)

Post-Workout:
Cereal & Whey
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Not seeing the fullness many users are repeating over and over

no change on libido

sleep has not changed

Down another .02 so far this week. Slowly dropping.
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Could the lack of fullness reported from others be due to a lack of carbohydrates perhaps? I know you are very meticulous in not changing around your calorie intake for these logs by design, but I can't help but wonder if you are somewhat wasting the potential of some of these products as a result.
 
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max silver said:
Could the lack of fullness reported from others be due to a lack of carbohydrates perhaps? I know you are very meticulous in not changing around your calorie intake for these logs by design, but I can't help but wonder if you are somewhat wasting the potential of some of these products as a result.
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I eat prior to training, and my carb intake is around 150g a day. There is no issue there. I can get a pump pretty well into training even when my carbs are at this level. If that were the case then this product should not be marketed towards people who live a low carb or keto lifestyle which I think @sns8778 would disagree with. But I will tag him to confirm that.
 
The Solution said:
I eat prior to training, and my carb intake is around 150g a day. There is no issue there. I can get a pump pretty well into training even when my carbs are at this level. If that were the case then this product should not be marketed towards people who live a low carb or keto lifestyle which I think @sns8778 would disagree with. But I will tag him to confirm that.
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I wrote most of this prior to you responding in an edited version of my previous message, figured I'd move it here:

I just had an interesting idea, this would likely only work out if you were planning at least a 3 month run of any particular supplement. How about the first two months of the log stay as presently setup, where you change nothing in either your training or diet. But month 3 would potentially be super interesting to follow along with, where you play the role of the typical supplement user, and add in some new sort of stimulus to your routine, whether it be adding or reducing calorie intake depending on goals, adding sets to your workout routine, etc. This kind of 3 month log would allow you to portray what your typical gains look like as your body starts to incorporate the new supplement during month 1, month 2 should portray how your body reacts to the supplement in the typical sterile environment you incorporate for your logs, and month 3 would portray how the supplement works for you in conjunction with the typical changes most users incorporate when starting a new supplement.
 
max silver said:
, and month 3 would portray how the supplement works for you in conjunction with the typical changes most users incorporate when starting a new supplement.
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If you continually skew factors (Training/Nutrition)
you do not 100% understand how well a supplement works. You are then just playing a guessing game on how much is X nutrition to Gains/Recovery/Strength/Fullness compared to Y the supplement.

The purpose of "Logging" a supplement is knowing how well the product does work. When in a controlled environment and the only change is the "Supplement" Then you know how well it Supplements your diet and training routine.

Anyone can "Feed" a supplement hundreds of calories a week like some reps on here prescribe, but do we truly understand how much the supplement helped, and how much work the nutrition did? No..

Lets look at the flip side, anyone can drop hundreds of calories a week or toss in extra cardio and caloric expenditure, can we attribute the supplement to helping that client or individual lose weight and fat because they started ingesting pills? Not really because that is coming from the other changes between your dietary intake and cardio addition.

It is simply a roll of the dice and a guessing game. Which is why I explain this every single time I log a product.

This is just how I like to do things, if you wish to run that experiment for yourself then by all means go for it and we can contrast and compare how well it worked for you, and how well it worked for other users. Just my personal preference.
 
The Solution said:
I eat prior to training, and my carb intake is around 150g a day. There is no issue there. I can get a pump pretty well into training even when my carbs are at this level. If that were the case then this product should not be marketed towards people who live a low carb or keto lifestyle which I think @sns8778 would disagree with. But I will tag him to confirm that.
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I wrote most of this prior to you responding in an edited version of my previous message, figured I'd move it here:

I just had an interesting idea, this would likely only work out if you were planning at least a 3 month run of any particular supplement. How about the first two months of the log stay as presently setup, where you change nothing in either your training or diet. But month 3 would potentially be super interesting to follow along with, where you play the role of the typical supplement user, and add in some new sort of stimulus to your routine, whether it be adding or reducing calorie intake depending on goals, adding sets to your workout routine, etc. This kind of 3 month log would allow you to portray what your typical gains look like as your body starts to incorporate the new supplement during month 1, month 2 should portray how your body reacts to the supplement in the typical sterile environment you incorporate for your logs, and month 3 would portray how the supplement works for you in conjunction with the typical changes most users incorporate when starting a new supplement.
The Solution said:
If you continually skew factors (Training/Nutrition)
you do not 100% understand how well a supplement works. You are then just playing a guessing game on how much is X nutrition to Gains/Recovery/Strength/Fullness compared to Y the supplement.

The purpose of "Logging" a supplement is knowing how well the product does work. When in a controlled environment and the only change is the "Supplement" Then you know how well it Supplements your diet and training routine.

Anyone can "Feed" a supplement hundreds of calories a week like some reps on here prescribe, but do we truly understand how much the supplement helped, and how much work the nutrition did? No..

Lets look at the flip side, anyone can drop hundreds of calories a week or toss in extra cardio and caloric expenditure, can we attribute the supplement to helping that client or individual lose weight and fat because they started ingesting pills? Not really because that is coming from the other changes between your dietary intake and cardio addition.

It is simply a roll of the dice and a guessing game. Which is why I explain this every single time I log a product.

This is just how I like to do things, if you wish to run that experiment for yourself then by all means go for it and we can contrast and compare how well it worked for you, and how well it worked for other users. Just my personal preference.
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Unfortunately it feels like your logs more or less have a predetermined outcome. I fully expect that by the end of the log you state that it did nothing or next to nothing for you, or at best had minimal benefits compared to what was promised on the label. Supplements obviously aren't magic bullets, and this sort of log setup will continue to lead to that same conclusions at the end.

How about another small tweak to the previous suggestion, after month 3 is up, month 4 would be set up the same as month 3 but minus the supplement. This would be a good way to do an immediate comparison to the results of the supplement plus tweaks vs the tweaks without the supplement. To a large degree that would be like a control month to compare the results of dietary changes with an anabolic supplement vs dietary changes without the supplement.

I'm just not the kind of person who is meticulous enough with calorie intake to do this kind of log, as my calorie intake can vary a fair bit from day to day. I can't help but think that the way the log is setup presently it doesn't show the entire picture of what these natural anabolics are capable of in a progressive environment. A 4 month log is pretty crazy in length though so I don't expect that anyone would have the desire to do this sort of log unfortunately.
 
@max silver you make it seem like these "tweaks" can be brushed off as not having a large impact. @The Solution runs his logs always in this controlled manner and I think it just shows us how much of an impact caloric variations or training variations, not the supplement, can really do for those logs in which caloric or training adjustments are made. Just recently he has done the BMP log and, not sure how long ago, but Major Gains log in which this topic has been regurgitated over and over, I think we should refrain from doing this again.
 
max silver said:
Unfortunately it feels like your logs more or less have a predetermined outcome. I fully expect that by the end of the log you state that it did nothing or next to nothing for you, or at best had minimal benefits compared to what was promised on the label. Supplements obviously aren't magic bullets, and this sort of log setup will continue to lead to that same conclusions at the end.
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The painful truth on 99% of supplements out there. Here we have a guy that essentially runs a perfect log/as honest a review as we’ll see, and you sadly find out these aren’t doing much.
 
Mesocycle #14
Week 9 Day 5

Tempo Indication: Eccentric Pause:Concentric:Flex (x:x:x:x)
All Rep Tempo's are 2:1:2:2
Rest Times are 90 Seconds

Goblet Squat:
110 x 10 (3 Sets)

HS V-Squat: (3:1:1:1)
150 x 8
200 x 8
250 x 8
300 x 8
350 x 8 ---> 150 x Failure

Lying Leg Curl
80 x 10
120 x 10
170 x 8 (3 Sets)

Leg Press (Feet Close)
2 Plates/Side x 8
4 Plates/Side x 8
6 Plates/Side x 8 --> 3 Plates/Side x Failure

Standing Calf Raise: (3:1:2:1)
135 x 10 (8 Sets)

Post-Workout:
Ample Hills PB Takes a Dip
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Weekend update coming soon, will have to grab a new set of pics to see how the mirror is looking.
I feel the biggest aspect of this product like BMP 2.0 will be a nice recomp effect in the mirror
 
The Solution said:
I feel the biggest aspect of this product like BMP 2.0 will be a nice recomp effect in the mirror
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Even your last update pics I thought I could tell some shoulder definition compared to the beginning. Maybe that's just me though.
 
24 Day Update

Help building lean muscle
** I am not eating in a surplus, nor will I be jacking up my calories weekly to "Feed the Supplement". If that was the case nobody would ever know how well a "Supplement" works when you consistently skew nutrition. Training has been very consistent as weights have not dropped and everything is remaining steady & Matching the logbook while losing weight.

- Improve Strength
** See Above

- Improve endurance
Endurance and recovery have been pretty steady, I have had nothing to note in regards to this on a day to day basis.

- Aid weight loss & Body Composition
A small drop from last week, looking leaner in the mirror
Weight 169.2 (-.2)

- Improve Sleep
Some users have commented on this, I am not seeing any changes. I am up at 3:30-4:30 most mornings except weekends when I am off from my new job. I actually feel better when I wakeup at 3:30-4:30 compared to a little later on the weekend. Perhaps that is my body and its generic sleeping pattern.


- Improve Pumps & Fullness (S7 Inclusion)
Pre-Workout Combo is 1 Scoop VasoBlitz & 1 Scoop FullBlitz. Pumps have remainded the same. I notice if I do high rep warm-up sets my skin and muscles have a larger hardness. Most of my rep ranges are in the 5-20 range with a main focus around 8-12 for most of John's Training Programs (Mountain Dog).

- Improved Nutrient Uptake (Astragin)
Digestion has been good, but then again I don't eat too much in the first place, and very meticulous on the food sources I do consume on a day to day basis. My diet is pretty much laid out and similar M-F with minimal changes just due to work schedule. I tend to keep food sources simple and low in FODMAP to avoid any bloating, GI Distress.
 
Mesocycle #14
Week 10 Day 1

Tempo Indication: Eccentric: Pause:Concentric:Flex (x:x:x:x)
All Rep Tempo's are 2:1:2:2
Rest Times are 90 Seconds

DB Row (2:1:2:1)
75 x 10 (4 Sets)

Assisted Chin-Ups
55 Reps

Low Cable Rows:
100 x 8 (4 Sets)

Single Arm Supinated Pulldown: (3:1;1:1)
35 Each Hand x 8 (3 Sets)

EZ Bar Preacher Curl (4:1:1:1)
50 x 12 (3 Sets)

Reverse Curl (3:1:1:1)
60 x 10 (4 Sets)

Post-Workout:
Select Shake
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A typical setup for diet looks like this today since a lot of people ask

Pre (4:30 AM)
3 Rice Cakes + 1 Scoop Whey ----> 3 AE Caps
Post (7:30)
4 Rice Cakes + 1 Scoop Whey
Lunch (Around Noon) 2 Turkey Burgers + Asparagus ---> 3 AE Caps
Meal 4(4:30-5): 8oz Chicken + 2 TBSP Almond Butter + Green Beans
Meal 5 (8ish): Cream of Rice, Jasmine Rice, or Rice Cakes + Whey

I am very basic with how I eat the majority of the week, but I will throw in some baked goods that I bake and make throughout the week, or if I feel like cooking a sandwich, stirfry etc I will toss it into my last meal.
 
LeanEngineer said:
Post #58 has pics!
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Studhorse said:
I see the pics on post #58. on my PC.
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Now I feel robbed, not sure why this isn't showing any of his progress pics in Chrome for me anyway...
max silver said:
Unfortunately it feels like your logs more or less have a predetermined outcome. I fully expect that by the end of the log you state that it did nothing or next to nothing for you, or at best had minimal benefits compared to what was promised on the label. Supplements obviously aren't magic bullets, and this sort of log setup will continue to lead to that same conclusions at the end.
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I am not sure what log you are reading or if you even read any of this one before decided to say he was going to say it wasn't doing anything, or much of anything. Every update but the first he has suggested that it appears this is going to be a good product for recomp... His last log on a similar product showed exactly the same thing. So far this one is having impressive results...

I think you are just used to logs where they users are strategically picked to benefit the log. We have a mass building product, lets find someone coming off of a cut who is going to eat for bulking. They will make awesome gains! It's a trick of the trade. I know I was a lead for more than a few rep companies and that is how it is often done. That and of course the good ol boy system. They don't realize it is how in many cases like the reps aren't really trying to deceive they just want to see a great log. However that is the biggest skew for things that make a lot of natty products look amazing.

You want to get some great effects for a diet pill pick someone who has been dirty bulking, a mass product pick someone who was just dieting or has been out of the game for a bit and wants to regain their prior size. Muscle memory is great for showing better than usual gains. It is just how it goes. These logs are long term commercials for the product and they want a fantastic show... It is marketing after all.

With @The Solution it is no frills here just if the product gets him leaner while he is not losing much weight then it is anabolic. Will extra calories provide more muscle, most likely but probably more fat too. When it comes to natty products that work you are talking about minor increases over normal food and training, that is the reality.

Well Bob, we made it a little over 3 weeks before someone told you to change your ways, I think there is hope after all.

Bob maybe we could put an end to this stuff by you running a staples only log eating toward a specific goal and showing them how powerful targeted eating and training is... The we can look at some of the other logs where people have run products and see there is barely any difference if any difference at all... Just a thought to silence the naysayers...
 
MrKleen73 said:
Well Bob, we made it a little over 3 weeks before someone told you to change your ways, I think there is hope after all.
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Now that's funny! :) I like the idea of just running staples and eatting toward a goal to see the progress Bob can make vs staying consistent and using a supp.
 
LeanEngineer said:
Now that's funny! :) I like the idea of just running staples and eatting toward a goal to see the progress Bob can make vs staying consistent and using a supp.
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That is exactly how I went from 152 to 180 in my offseason after my last show. Just good food and consistent training. Its not rocket science. The fact of the matter is most people are not dialed in with their diet and this is why they are so hit or miss with their results. A pill or a powder doesn't cause a miracle its meant to "SUPPLEMENT" a good diet and training program.

Most people on here look at it the other way, and since they are going to take X product they instantly want to adjust Y nutrition. People need to do this regardless if they take a pill or natural anabolic in order to achieve their true potential.
 
The Solution said:
That is exactly how I went from 152 to 180 in my offseason after my last show. Just good food and consistent training. Its not rocket science. The fact of the matter is most people are not dialed in with their diet and this is why they are so hit or miss with their results. A pill or a powder doesn't cause a miracle its meant to "SUPPLEMENT" a good diet and training program.

Most people on here look at it the other way, and since they are going to take X product they instantly want to adjust Y nutrition. People need to do this regardless if they take a pill or natural anabolic in order to achieve their true potential.
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Correct, I am one of them. I know tons of info but I am far from as consistent with diet unless really focusing toward a specific physique goal.
 
The Solution said:
That is exactly how I went from 152 to 180 in my offseason after my last show. Just good food and consistent training. Its not rocket science. The fact of the matter is most people are not dialed in with their diet and this is why they are so hit or miss with their results. A pill or a powder doesn't cause a miracle its meant to "SUPPLEMENT" a good diet and training program.

Most people on here look at it the other way, and since they are going to take X product they instantly want to adjust Y nutrition. People need to do this regardless if they take a pill or natural anabolic in order to achieve their true potential.
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Agreed completely. I think that needs to be tattooed on the header of supplement forums. haha
 
This was a fun one:
Mesocycle #14
Week 10 Day 5

Tempo Indication: Eccentric: Pause:Concentric:Flex (x:x:x:x)
All Rep Tempo's are 2:1:2:2
Rest Times are 90 Seconds

Goblet Squat:
120 x 10 (3 Sets)
* 1-minute breaks*

HS V-Squat: (3:1:1:1)
150 x 8
200 x 8
250 x 8
300 x 8
370 x 8 ---> 150 x Failure

** Had a partner force out extra reps on the failure set **

Lying Leg Curl
80 x 10
120 x 10
170 x 8 (3 Sets)

Leg Press (High And Wide)
2 Plates/Side x 8
4 Plates/Side x 8
6 Plates/Side x 8 --> 3 Plates/Side x Failure

** No rest on the accumulation set **

Standing Calf Raise: (3:1:2:1)
135 x 10 (8 Sets)

Post-Workout:
Ample Hills Fluffernutter Fudge
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I will try to get some pictures this week and see how the mirror is changing as I am into the 2nd bottle on the run.
Besides that everything seems to be pretty steady as weight is down a touch this week.
 
31 Day Update

Help building lean muscle
** I am not eating in a surplus, nor will I be jacking up my calories weekly to "Feed the Supplement". If that was the case nobody would ever know how well a "Supplement" works when you consistently skew nutrition. Training has been very consistent as weights have not dropped and everything is remaining steady & Matching the logbook while losing weight.

- Improve Strength
** See Above

- Improve endurance
Endurance and recovery have been pretty steady, I have had nothing to note in regards to this on a day to day basis.

- Aid weight loss & Body Composition
A small drop from last week, looking leaner in the mirror. This so far has been the biggest factor just like my BMP 2.0 Run.
Weight 169 (-.2)

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- Improve Sleep
Some users have commented on this, I am not seeing any changes. I am up at 3:30-4:30 most mornings except weekends when I am off from my new job. I actually feel better when I wakeup at 3:30-4:30 compared to a little later on the weekend. Perhaps that is my body and its generic sleeping pattern.


- Improve Pumps & Fullness (S7 Inclusion)
Pre-Workout Combo is 1 Scoop VasoBlitz & 1 Scoop FullBlitz. Pumps have remained the same. I notice if I do high rep warm-up sets my skin and muscles have a larger hardness. Most of my rep ranges are in the 5-20 range with the main focus around 8-12 for most of John's Training Programs (Mountain Dog).

- Improved Nutrient Uptake (Astragin)
Digestion has been good, but then again I don't eat too much in the first place, and very meticulous on the food sources I do consume on a day to day basis. My diet is pretty much laid out and similar M-F with minimal changes just due to work schedule. I tend to keep food sources simple and low in FODMAP to avoid any bloating, GI Distress.
 
The Solution said:
31 Day Update

Help building lean muscle
** I am not eating in a surplus, nor will I be jacking up my calories weekly to "Feed the Supplement". If that was the case nobody would ever know how well a "Supplement" works when you consistently skew nutrition. Training has been very consistent as weights have not dropped and everything is remaining steady & Matching the logbook while losing weight.

- Improve Strength
** See Above

- Improve endurance
Endurance and recovery have been pretty steady, I have had nothing to note in regards to this on a day to day basis.

- Aid weight loss & Body Composition
A small drop from last week, looking leaner in the mirror. This so far has been the biggest factor just like my BMP 2.0 Run.
Weight 169 (-.2)

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- Improve Sleep
Some users have commented on this, I am not seeing any changes. I am up at 3:30-4:30 most mornings except weekends when I am off from my new job. I actually feel better when I wakeup at 3:30-4:30 compared to a little later on the weekend. Perhaps that is my body and its generic sleeping pattern.


- Improve Pumps & Fullness (S7 Inclusion)
Pre-Workout Combo is 1 Scoop VasoBlitz & 1 Scoop FullBlitz. Pumps have remained the same. I notice if I do high rep warm-up sets my skin and muscles have a larger hardness. Most of my rep ranges are in the 5-20 range with the main focus around 8-12 for most of John's Training Programs (Mountain Dog).

- Improved Nutrient Uptake (Astragin)
Digestion has been good, but then again I don't eat too much in the first place, and very meticulous on the food sources I do consume on a day to day basis. My diet is pretty much laid out and similar M-F with minimal changes just due to work schedule. I tend to keep food sources simple and low in FODMAP to avoid any bloating, GI Distress.
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Did you just copy/paste this from the last update? Literally no change...
 
I’m not sure what to make of this, you’re physique has barely changed.i wanted to try AE, but now I am not so sure.
 
booneman77 said:
Did you just copy/paste this from the last update? Literally no change...
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That’s because I have not seen much change besides this

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A small drop from last week, looking leaner in the mirror. This so far has been the biggest factor just like my BMP 2.0 Run.
Weight 169 (-.2)”

bold is biggest change
But honestly after 1 bottle there is nothing standing out to me. If I had something glaring that I noticed or saw through my training and recovery I would note it.

that has not been the case. I have 2 bottles to see if anything else changes
 
The Solution said:
That’s because I have not seen much change besides this

“
A small drop from last week, looking leaner in the mirror. This so far has been the biggest factor just like my BMP 2.0 Run.
Weight 169 (-.2)”

bold is biggest change
But honestly after 1 bottle there is nothing standing out to me. If I had something glaring that I noticed or saw through my training and recovery I would note it.

that has not been the case. I have 2 bottles to see if anything else changes
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At least it is an honest update and not hyping a product up and “feeding a supplement”..
Can’t decide if i should log my bottle
 
booneman77 said:
Did you just copy/paste this from the last update? Literally no change...
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Listen homie we can see how well products truly work in a controlled environment, with someone who is consistent on all fronts. It’s because of bob and his honesty I know where to invest my money. If he says it works, I truly trust him, but by the looks of the mirror one bottle may provide a slight change in body comp
 
booneman77 said:
Did you just copy/paste this from the last update? Literally no change...
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I know you probably didn’t mean anything negative re: this post but you’ve been on here long enough to know how bob runs his logs. He’s honest to a fault. He’s not gonna sugar coat anything and that’s how he is in real life too, which is what we should want from friends, or in this case someone who we trust in to decide whether or not we make a purchase or not. He’s literally not just a board member, his rep is directly linked to his place in the bodybuilding/supplement community, way larger than just here on am and he simply can’t risk putting anything less than 100% truth out there for this very reason. That’s literally what makes his logs and YouTube vids all the more reliable bc he tells it like it is. I’ve bought things a couple times that bob have a thumbs down to and guess what, my results sucked just like he basically said it would. I know you were just making a comment about copy and pasting but it’s not a big deal at all. If he changed a word or two and still made the same point same difference. The fact there’s no change means there’s no change. Again I really truly believe you didn’t mean anything regarding the comment but I saw it and just thought of anyone who saw that, who didn’t know bob like I and others on here do and misconstrued your comment and saw it as an indictment on bobs integrity and authenticity and I just needed to step up and say something to set the story right.
 
You’re definitely recompositioning here . I can clearly tell! the fact that you haven’t really changed any other factors either is very promising ! Nice work
 
I have the same issues with my digestion as you. It’s very stressful and I’ve been trying to handle it the best I can. I’ve noticed that a diet of mainly animal products aka, as close to carnivore as I can, does really help with this.
 
Nice update pics! Looking lean!
 
My comment Wasn’t meant to be a shot at the results, those are what they are and pics show the truth. Just want thoughts and to simply quote your own posts just seems lazy... in no way was it a shot at the style of log or asking to feed the supp or any thing... I’ve been here as long or longer than many of you and logged plenty myself. I just don’t like seeing a complete lack of effort to even make a new comment and make it seem “super detailed” with a long ass post that literally was copied from weeks before. If you wanna say “everything is the same”, don’t bother typing a book.
 
booneman77 said:
My comment Wasn’t meant to be a shot at the results, those are what they are and pics show the truth. Just want
thoughts and to simply quote your own posts just seems lazy...
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You have my thoughts they are the same, besides being leaner which is exactly what I changed and modified (in bold).
If I went weeks upon weeks of not posting a single thing in here due to not seeing a significant change you and the other reps would then start asking " Where are the updates?" "Are you still logging" "Where is your feedback?"

I make it a priority to let you and the company know exactly what I am seeing on a week to week basis. Other members appreciate it as well so they can compare and contrast what they see if they run the product.

For some people, natty anabolics take more than 4 weeks to kick in, so if members or loggers get discouraged in the first few weeks taking a product they could look back and see what I got out of it in X or Y amount of time.
 
The Solution said:
For some people, natty anabolics take more than 4 weeks to kick in, so if members or loggers get discouraged in the first few weeks taking a product they could look back and see what I got out of it in X or Y amount of time.
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Definitely will be a good reference point for others to compare to. I agree on the fact that natty products may take longer than 4 weeks for some to kick in and see results.
 
Mesocycle #14
Week 11 Day 2

Tempo Indication: Eccentric: Pause: Concentric: Flex (x:x:x:x)
All Rep Tempo's are 2:1:2:2
Rest Times are 90 Seconds

DB Bench
90's x 12 (3 Sets)

Incline Smith Bench Press:
1-25/Side x 8
2-25/Side x 8
3-25/Side x 8
3-25's + 10/Side x 8

Hex Bench Press:
60's x 10 (3 Sets)

HS Fly
130's x 10 (3 Sets)

Rear Delt DB Swings:
30's x 25 (4 Sets)

Reverse HS Shoulder Press (5:1:1:1)
2-25's + 10/Side x 8 (3 Sets)

Lying DB SkullCrushers
35's Each Hand x 8 (4 Sets)

Overhead Rope Extension
35's x 10 + 15 Second Stretch (4 Sets)

Post-Workout:
Red Velvet Glazed Cake
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Nice chest/tri workout and post workout meal looks awesome! #foodporn
 
Bob is awesome. He’s basically truth serum for the industry. My apologies, as this is a bit off topic, but have you ever made a thread that lists out all the supplements you’ve used where you said a marked improvement? If you haven’t, I’m sure the majority of the board would love to see what’s legit out there when it comes to delivering results.
 
Garyboy said:
Bob is awesome. He’s basically truth serum for the industry. My apologies, as this is a bit off topic, but have you ever made a thread that lists out all the supplements you’ve used where you said a marked improvement? If you haven’t, I’m sure the majority of the board would love to see what’s legit out there when it comes to delivering results.
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Such as what products ?
Just Natty anabolic?
Your question is too vague as results will vary from person to person and not everyone runs logs in a controlled environment. The same can be said with ingredient profiles and how people responds

for example preworkouts some may love vaso6 and s7 while others may dwell off nitrates and citrulline . Everyone should take any feedback with a grain of salt as the human body is not a textbook, and how we respond will greatly differ. That is why you see hit or miss feedback on products like that.

if I changed my nutrition and adjusted hundred of calories either way in a week to week basis over a 3 month log a lot of the change would be nutrition towards my goal and body comp, which is why I try and minimize external or extreme factors to see how much the “supplement” does during my run

while not everyone agrees with how I do these logs it isolates the supplement to the largest degree to see how effective it is when introduced to a consistent diet and training program.
 
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why does this always turn into a diet adjustment topic... literally nobody asked for that. he just asked for YOUR thoughts on products you've tried. not everyone's opinion, not anyhting about diet, nothing. Just a simple "I liked this, it worked for me"

Not everything has to be an argument/debate... holy hell.
 
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