7 Days fasting. Zero calories for 168 hours. HGP's short log

Do you take anything for bad breath? It seems to be the most common problem during long periods of fasting.
 
Cheeky Monkey said:
Do you take anything for bad breath? It seems to be the most common problem during long periods of fasting.
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Nah. I'm married. :)

I have not noted bad breath. If its really bad, I would chew some zero cal gum, I guess.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Nah. I'm married. :)

I have not noted bad breath. If its really bad, I would chew some zero cal gum, I guess.
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I would advise no gum unless it's nicotine gum, as the act of chewing will stimulate your digestive system and hunger pangs will arrive with a vengeance.

Also, aspartame is neurotoxic and sucralose is genotoxic and both are probably mild carcinogens.
 
Spurfy said:
I would advise no gum unless it's nicotine gum, as the act of chewing will stimulate your digestive system and hunger pangs will arrive with a vengeance.

Also, aspartame is neurotoxic and sucralose is genotoxic and both are probably mild carcinogens.
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Not using any, but I always thought sucralose to be "safe", because of that study:

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I'm confident you mentioned genotoxicity for a reason. Is there a newer study?
 
Spurfy said:
4 grams/day of sea salt, 2 grams/day of potassium (KCl, from “salt substitute”), 400 mg/day magnesium (from powdered magnesium citrate), 400 mg/day from calcium citrate, in distilled or RO or DI water, with a squeeze of lemon and a bit of stevia.

I just sip this throughout the day.

One of the biggest mistakes people make on a fast is overhydrating, which does nothing but slow fat loss and tank electrolytes.

One should drink only when thirsty and only a few sips until thirsty no longer.
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Is all of this mixed in a 1 gallon jug of water?
 
enhanced said:
Is all of this mixed in a 1 gallon jug of water?
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I just go by dosage x day. Taking pills and mixing powders in water until daily dose reached. Too much at once, especially sodium gives me arrhythmia.
 
My wife ended the fast and stays keto until reaching her goal, currently making a soup from a fatty piece of meat. She is already lean, just wanted to get rid of a little bit of belly fat. 4 days of fast did NOT accomplish it. Sadly, the body chooses what fat is burned.... belly comes last, I guess. :)
 
hairygrandpa said:
Not using any, but I always thought sucralose to be "safe", because of that study:

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I'm confident you mentioned genotoxicity for a reason. Is there a newer study?
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"Sucralose and one of its hydrolysis products were found to be mutagenic at elevated concentrations in several testing methods. Cooking with sucralose at high temperatures was reported to generate chloropropanols, a potentially toxic class of compounds. Both human and rodent studies demonstrated that sucralose may alter glucose, insulin, and glucagon-like peptide 1 (GLP-1) levels. Taken together, these findings indicate that sucralose is not a biologically inert compound"
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"Our results highlight the role of sucralose-gut microbiome interaction in regulating host health-related processes, particularly chronic inflammation."
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"We found a significant dose-related increased incidence of males bearing malignant tumors (p < 0.05) and a significant dose-related increased incidence (p < 0.01) of hematopoietic neoplasias in males [..]These findings do not support previous data that sucralose is biologically inert. More studies are necessary to show the safety of sucralose, including new and more adequate carcinogenic bioassay on rats. Considering that millions of people are likely exposed, follow-up studies are urgent."
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There are others, but these three are the most well-designed.
 
Spurfy said:
I would advise no gum unless it's nicotine gum, as the act of chewing will stimulate your digestive system and hunger pangs will arrive with a vengeance.

Also, aspartame is neurotoxic and sucralose is genotoxic and both are probably mild carcinogens.
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Is xylitol ok?
 
hairygrandpa said:
My wife ended the fast and stays keto until reaching her goal, currently making a soup from a fatty piece of meat. She is already lean, just wanted to get rid of a little bit of belly fat. 4 days of fast did NOT accomplish it. Sadly, the body chooses what fat is burned.... belly comes last, I guess. :)
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Bet her glutes come in last actually, if we’re keeping it real
 
How is any gut healing or injury healing coming along if you are able to tell this early? Always hear these are two things that your body focuses on when in a fasting mode and just a rejuvenation of cells overall.
 
End of day 4

I calculated how much fat I have lost using Pork fat as an estimate:

My daily allowance is 3000 kcal when training, 2500 kcal without training.

-2500 kcal daily maintenance.
-4 days fasting = deficit of 10.000 kcal.

Pork fat has 650 kcal x 100 gr
-6.500 kcal x 1000 gr
-10.000 kcal x 1700 gr

My weight before the fast: 101.5 kg (224 lbs)
My weight by day 4: 97 kg (214 lbs)
Total weight loss: 4.5 kg (10 lbs)

Theoretically, I lost 1.7 kg (3.7 lbs) of fat and 2.8 kg (6.3 lbs)of water.

Obviously, its an estimate, I could have lost some muscles in the process.
 
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Cgkone said:
Nah it's like hundreds of pounds of fruits and vegetables during Harvest. Even with unlimited access to marijuana you still would never eat it all
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Can I take the cgkone 10 week challenge? Haha. I eat 5ish lb of veggies and 2+lb of meat literally every single night stone sober... with some “assistance” I have no limits haha
 
Day 5

Last night I had a bad mental struggle. I was reading about ketogenic diet, looking at the nutritional profile of peanuts. 1 oz = 39 peanuts.
Somehow I got obsessed with the idea to open a bag of raw peanuts, count 39 and eat one by one.
The discussion with myself was like:

"Peanuts have fat, eating fat tells the body to burn more fat. Eat a few peanuts, it would not be cheating at all!" On my way to the cupboard looking at the sealed bag of nuts.
"If I open the bag, my wife will know that it was me. Can't deny then that I broke the damn fast." Going back into my office, looking up the fat loss benefits of peanuts.
"They also have fibers, diminishing their carb content! That is awesome, I even could eat more than 39!"....
This went on for about 40 minutes.

What you think?
At the end, did I ate them?
 
Nice work so far HGP! Lots of interesting information in here. Always love it when Spurfy drops his knowledge bombs. Hell I may even consider giving this a shot just to see how things go. Lowering systemic inflammation would be huge for me.

Was a lot of great discussion on here. I had several things quoted to respond to but Spurfy had already popped back in and said the things I was going to mention.

Looking forward to seeing where the last 3 days get you.

Also if you get down to 185 you are going to either by ripped or have lost a good bit of muscle in the process. No way you are 15% when you hit 185. Just no way unless something goes horribly wrong.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Day 5

Last night I had a bad mental struggle. I was reading about ketogenic diet, looking at the nutritional profile of peanuts. 1 oz = 39 peanuts.
Somehow I got obsessed with the idea to open a bag of raw peanuts, count 39 and eat one by one.
The discussion with myself was like:

"Peanuts have fat, eating fat tells the body to burn more fat. Eat a few peanuts, it would not be cheating at all!" On my way to the cupboard looking at the sealed bag of nuts.
"If I open the bag, my wife will know that it was me. Can't deny then that I broke the damn fast." Going back into my office, looking up the fat loss benefits of peanuts.
"They also have fibers, diminishing their carb content! That is awesome, I even could eat more than 39!"....
This went on for about 40 minutes.

What you think?
At the end, did I ate them?
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I guess NO you did not eat them.
 
Day 5 -observations-

I suddenly can do better vacuums. Before my belly would not go half the way in.Changes in the mirror are now apparent.
Having a bit vision problems, like focusing on near objects, could be fasting related -or not.
My chronic issues, like knee pain, elbow aches are not perceivable at the moment, guessing that either my brain is suppressing the pain, to heighten my "hunting abilities" -or its the anti inflammatory effect. One source of magnesium I use is Magnesium Chloride. Gave me a slight diarrhea the last two days. At least I can be sure now that no "brick" is forming in my intestines. Can't say my thinking got improved by day 5, like others say -but maybe it comes for me a day later.

My wife told me, that now, since her 4 day fast has ended, she feels like 20 years younger. It was way easier than she thought and she never had that food craving, we all know, when eating not enough. There is clearly a difference between FASTING and STARVING. She continues with ketogenic diet. Honestly, she looked radiant to me in her summer dress.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Day 5 -observations-

My wife told me, that now, since her 4 day fast has ended, she feels like 20 years younger. It was way easier than she thought and she never had that food craving, we all know, when eating not enough. There is clearly a difference between FASTING and STARVING. She continues with ketogenic diet. Honestly, she looked radiant to me in her summer dress.
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My wife will do this in a caloric deficit about once a month. She will juice 1 meal a day for 5 days and by day 3 she is bonkers with energy and cannot stop talking about how great she feels. I follow IF, but there is something to be said about a severe deficit or actual fasting for days. We know the affect inflammation has on us, including hormones, but I think there is a lot more to it than we yet know.
 
kisaj said:
My wife will do this in a caloric deficit about once a month. She will juice 1 meal a day for 5 days and by day 3 she is bonkers with energy and cannot stop talking about how great she feels. I follow IF, but there is something to be said about a severe deficit or actual fasting for days. We know the affect inflammation has on us, including hormones, but I think there is a lot more to it than we yet know.
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Your wife is apparently right. In fact, all fasting enthusiast are. I'm now sold to it. Juicing may be a nice "adventure" too.
Even though my fast isn't over yet, I can definitely say: WILL DO AGAIN! Did IF for a few month and it worked great for holding my weight, not getting rid of that stubborn fat. Guessing its also age related.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Your wife is apparently right. In fact, all fasting enthusiast are. I'm now sold to it. Juicing may be nice "adventure" too.
Even though my fast isn't over yet, I can definitely say: WILL DO AGAIN! Did IF for a few month and it worked great for holding my weight, not getting rid of that stubborn fat. Guessing its also age related.
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You know I am probably going to give this a shot. I enjoyed when I did the PMSF plan. FWIW you are most definitely losing faster than I did on a PMSF, not that it is surprising considering a larger deficit.
 
MrKleen73 said:
You know I am probably going to give this a shot. I enjoyed when I did the PMSF plan. FWIW you are most definitely losing faster than I did on a PMSF, not that it is surprising considering a larger deficit.
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4 days Fast for you, followed by 2 weeks of keto with a deficit, will transform you into a Greek god. I bet my nuts (both).
 
There will be the fact of overcompensation after the fast, like Spurfy mentioned. The day you backload carbs and up calories (after the fasting and keto phase), after strenuous training, you gonna blow up (in a good way). Read about it before. Spurfy gave in this log a short protocol how to do it, dropping a knowledge bomb.

First I have to get where I want to be, then I'll give it a shot.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Day 5

Last night I had a bad mental struggle. I was reading about ketogenic diet, looking at the nutritional profile of peanuts. 1 oz = 39 peanuts.
Somehow I got obsessed with the idea to open a bag of raw peanuts, count 39 and eat one by one.
The discussion with myself was like:

"Peanuts have fat, eating fat tells the body to burn more fat. Eat a few peanuts, it would not be cheating at all!" On my way to the cupboard looking at the sealed bag of nuts.
"If I open the bag, my wife will know that it was me. Can't deny then that I broke the damn fast." Going back into my office, looking up the fat loss benefits of peanuts.
"They also have fibers, diminishing their carb content! That is awesome, I even could eat more than 39!"....
This went on for about 40 minutes.

What you think?
At the end, did I ate them?
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I warned you not to poke the bear.

While he’s not vicious, he is nevertheless extremely persuasive.

I know for a fact you didn’t give in. I don’t need to read your reply to know this.

You probably told yourself, “I’m so close to the end! Why give up now?”
 
hairygrandpa said:
There will be the fact of overcompensation after the fast, like Spurfy mentioned. The day you backload carbs and up calories (after the fasting and keto phase), after strenuous training, you gonna blow up (in a good way). Read about it before. Spurfy gave in this log a short protocol how to do it, dropping a knowledge bomb.

First I have to get where I want to be, then I'll give it a shot.
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Perhaps a 4 day is all that I would need to get leaner but to experience the other benefits I think I will have to try the week. If nothing else for the experience and just testing what I am made of.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Thank you! Its not so bad.
Actually, my confidence is growing by the hour. I will probably make it for seven days. Technically, its already day 4.
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Beast mode! Hell man you've made it farther than I could at this point. Nice work. :)
 
Glad this is going so well for you. Another big thing inflammation-wise is the actual downtime from training. You are fully abstaining from the trauma of training while your body is in cleanup mode - that’s a win/win combo for feeling great.
 
LiveToLift said:
Beast mode! Hell man you've made it farther than I could at this point. Nice work. :)
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Well yeah with that attitude you are right!!!! However you are totally selling yourself short. You earned your doctorate you can fast for a week!!!!
 
hairygrandpa said:
Your wife is apparently right. In fact, all fasting enthusiast are. I'm now sold to it. Juicing may be a nice "adventure" too.
Even though my fast isn't over yet, I can definitely say: WILL DO AGAIN! Did IF for a few month and it worked great for holding my weight, not getting rid of that stubborn fat. Guessing its also age related.
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My #1 goal when I convince someone to give fasting a try (and I long ago lost count) is for them to fast and then for them go and convince other people to give it a try.

I tell people it’s hard because it is, but it also isn’t. Yeah, the first 3 days (2 days for women) pretty much suck if you’re not at all in ketosis, but after that you can just fairly easily cruise as long as you want as long as you have fat stores.

I discovered fasting by accident. In late 2008 I was planning to starve myself to death and started reading about how long this would take. Well, turns out that a doctor from the 1700’s already had this idea and set about to make it happen. By day 10 his depression had fully lifted and he reported feeling better than he’d ever felt before. So, I stopping eating and waited for my miracle — it came on day 4.

Now I once again find myself in a similar although much more dire situation and am planning a very long fast for March, because I do need another one of those miracles.
 
Spurfy said:
My #1 goal when I convince someone to give fasting a try (and I long ago lost count) is for them to fast and then for them go and convince other people to give it a try.

I tell people it’s hard because it is, but it also isn’t. Yeah, the first 3 days (2 days for women) pretty much suck if you’re not at all in ketosis, but after that you can just fairly easily cruise as long as you want as long as you have fat stores.

I discovered fasting by accident. In late 2008 I was planning to starve myself to death and started reading about how long this would take. Well, turns out that a doctor from the 1700’s already had this idea and set about to make it happen. By day 10 his depression had fully lifted and he reported feeling better than he’d ever felt before. So, I stopping eating and waited for my miracle — it came on day 4.

Now I once again find myself in a similar although much more dire situation and am planning a very long fast for March, because I do need another one of those miracles.
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During you fast what supps you take - also do you have something written blog about this? Finally your last comments are you suffering depression?
 
00A said:
During you fast what supps you take - also do you have something written blog about this? Finally your last comments are you suffering depression?
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I take electrolytes as detailed in a previous post in this thread, and black coffee or green tea (or oral hydrocortisone if I have to do anything strenuous) as needed. I’ve been known to take pseudoephedrine as an appetite suppressant the first few days if I’m not already in ketosis.

As to your second question I don’t journal or blog my fasting. I do have a blog but it’s almost entirely my scientific writing, analysis of studies, etc.

As to your third question, I learned long ago never to discuss my mental health state with anyone but a trained and trusted therapist.
 
Chados said:
Dropping pretty fast nice! Any visual difference?
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Yes, belly is much less pronounced, face got slimmer. Will up a update pic in a few hours. My guess is, changes will be more- and more visible by the day, as most water is already gone now.

Spurfy said:
I warned you not to poke the bear.

While he’s not vicious, he is nevertheless extremely persuasive.

I know for a fact you didn’t give in. I don’t need to read your reply to know this.

You probably told yourself, “I’m so close to the end! Why give up now?”
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I realized that 39 peanuts -or 0 peanuts is no big difference -and wasting 40 minutes on thinking about eating them was plain stupid. :)
The bear is a Russian agent, influencing my plan, damn.

MrKleen73 said:
Perhaps a 4 day is all that I would need to get leaner but to experience the other benefits I think I will have to try the week. If nothing else for the experience and just testing what I am made of.
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We all know what you are made of. It wouldn't be a challenge -unless you do also ice bath's daily.

Spurfy said:
My #1 goal when I convince someone to give fasting a try (and I long ago lost count) is for them to fast and then for them go and convince other people to give it a try.

I tell people it’s hard because it is, but it also isn’t. Yeah, the first 3 days (2 days for women) pretty much suck if you’re not at all in ketosis, but after that you can just fairly easily cruise as long as you want as long as you have fat stores.

I discovered fasting by accident. In late 2008 I was planning to starve myself to death and started reading about how long this would take. Well, turns out that a doctor from the 1700’s already had this idea and set about to make it happen. By day 10 his depression had fully lifted and he reported feeling better than he’d ever felt before. So, I stopping eating and waited for my miracle — it came on day 4.

Now I once again find myself in a similar although much more dire situation and am planning a very long fast for March, because I do need another one of those miracles.
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Besides a sad story -it holds valuable advise. Apparently fasting helps with depression. Good read!

BOSSMAN said:
Checking on the taste of urine?
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Mornings, urine is darker. After hydrating throughout the day it gets clear and smells like roses.
 
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hairygrandpa said:
Yes, belly is much less pronounced, face got slimmer. Will up a update pic in a few hours. My guess is, changes will be more- and more visible by the day, as most water is already gone now.



I realized that 39 peanuts -or 0 peanuts is no big difference -and wasting 40 minutes on thinking about eating them was plain stupid. :)
The bear is a Russian agent, influencing my my plan, damn.


We all know what you are made of. It wouldn't be a challenge -unless you do also ice bath's daily.


Besides a sad story -it holds valuable advise. Apparently fasting helps with depression. Good read!


Mornings, urine is darker. After hydrating throughout the day it gets clear and smells like roses.
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Oh so is that a challenge!!!!

Honestly, I do have intentions of trying to start up with the WIM HOFF method which includes specific breathing patterns, meditation, and also ice water submersion. However I don't have a clue if that would even be a good idea. Now perhaps if I start by prepping myself by learning the Wim Hof method then I might be able to burn fat much faster during a fast. However not sure how well things would go activating brown fat then fasting... It could be quite synergistic, but I remember Spurfy mentioning that the chills come on due to the body intentionally making less heat as a form of energy conservation. From my understanding, the whole reason for elevated and activated brown fat levels is to create body heat in order to maintain body temp in cold environments or in babies that don't have enough body mass to retain the heat so they have to be able to create more. This is also part of the reason that people can lose weight from using cryogenic chambers, the brown fats get activated and also the metabolism has to kick into high gear to heat the body back up.
Spurfy, what are your thoughts on that situation?
 
MrKleen73 said:
Oh so is that a challenge!!!!

Honestly, I do have intentions of trying to start up with the WIM HOFF method which includes specific breathing patterns, meditation, and also ice water submersion. However I don't have a clue if that would even be a good idea. Now perhaps if I start by prepping myself by learning the Wim Hof method then I might be able to burn fat much faster during a fast. However not sure how well things would go activating brown fat then fasting... It could be quite synergistic, but I remember Spurfy mentioning that the chills come on due to the body intentionally making less heat as a form of energy conservation. From my understanding, the whole reason for elevated and activated brown fat levels is to create body heat in order to maintain body temp in cold environments or in babies that don't have enough body mass to retain the heat so they have to be able to create more. This is also part of the reason that people can lose weight from using cryogenic chambers, the brown fats get activated and also the metabolism has to kick into high gear to heat the body back up.
Spurfy, what are your thoughts on that situation?
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I wouldn’t do anything that is going to stress your system (like ice baths) during fasting.

I am aware of studies on cold immersion and conversion of WAT to BAT.

The low body temp from fasting is really worst the first few days. After that temperature regulation catches up and I would bet that fasting itself is converting WAT to BAT.
 
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No idea why the updated pic is darker, not intentionally. I feel way leaner than I look.
 

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MrKleen73 said:
Oh so is that a challenge!!!!

Honestly, I do have intentions of trying to start up with the WIM HOFF method which includes specific breathing patterns, meditation, and also ice water submersion. However I don't have a clue if that would even be a good idea. Now perhaps if I start by prepping myself by learning the Wim Hof method then I might be able to burn fat much faster during a fast. However not sure how well things would go activating brown fat then fasting... It could be quite synergistic, but I remember Spurfy mentioning that the chills come on due to the body intentionally making less heat as a form of energy conservation. From my understanding, the whole reason for elevated and activated brown fat levels is to create body heat in order to maintain body temp in cold environments or in babies that don't have enough body mass to retain the heat so they have to be able to create more. This is also part of the reason that people can lose weight from using cryogenic chambers, the brown fats get activated and also the metabolism has to kick into high gear to heat the body back up.
Spurfy, what are your thoughts on that situation?
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Lemme know if youbgot any wim hof method questions. Ive been doing it for over a year and have a mentor whonis a certified instructor. I sometimes do an abbreviated breathing method before my lifts.
 
Fasted said:
Lemme know if youbgot any wim hof method questions. Ive been doing it for over a year and have a mentor whonis a certified instructor. I sometimes do an abbreviated breathing method before my lifts.
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Awesome, have you found it to be as beneficial as it seems to be? I almost want to do it just to be able to take ice baths more often to help with inflammation. Just that alone is pretty awesome.
 
hairygrandpa said:
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No idea why the updated pic is darker, not intentionally. I feel way leaner than I look.
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Much leaner, it is quite obvious to the trained eye. I would guess the waist at the belly button is down at least a few inches, other things are much tighter. Looking good brother!
 
MrKleen73 said:
Much leaner, it is quite obvious to the trained eye. I would guess the waist at the belly button is down at least a few inches, other things are much tighter. Looking good brother!
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Thank you. I guess the next 2 days are crucial for visible changes, even the days after, when in ketosis and when starting to train again. Will keep this log up, until my goal is reached (around 15% BF).
 
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