Matthersby‘s mission: 50lbs by 2019. Slin,NPP,Dbol and lots more.

[christ83189]

Plus didnt you state you had some things like gabapentin on hand? Big tool there...wish I knew how to get ahold of that without going through the dr charade...that makes it not worth the expense...dont know brotha - maybe I'm completely wrong here but you seem like a tough minded muthafer. Just thought I'd throw the suggestion out

I do agree with you though. If at all possible i would go for cold turkey. I tried tapering for 6 months and every time i made progress i reverted back to where i was and it got to the point it was either kratom or my wife and kids

 

[Smont]

My contribution is what I teach my kids every day I have them.
- The world owes you nothing
- Everything you have is a privilege
- You will suck at everything unless you spend hours a day working at it to be the best at it.
- Those in authority over you, you show fcking respect to,even if they don’t deserve it.
- Everything is your own fault, take accountability for it, and move forward
- Excuses are the punk bytch version of people’s response to authority.
- You may think your pride is important, but it is hands down the most destructive and vile thing that will ever be a part of you.

The End.

I'm gonna use a couple of those on my kids.

 

[Smont]

I got like 20 pages to catch up on. What's your current weight

 

[Hyde]

In a panic the other day, was doing work at the new place all damn day and ate next to nothing, I finished off a ton of food, and then an entire quart of Dreyers ice cream. I think I’m gonna discontinue the Dbol today at day 30, I have 300 more anyway, and aggressively taper off Kratom while I continue to bulk and use Lantus and keep NPP at 575 for another month. Time to cruise and get my eating on point while I get the **** off this garbage.

Sounds reasonable to me. You can still bulk without the dbol on your combined 800mg of gear.

 

[Matthersby]

I got like 20 pages to catch up on. What's your current weight

Part of what’s frustrating me. Made it to 240 last week. Did too much yardwork in Arizona and ate poorly all weekend, not kidding I leveled out around 228.

 

[Smont]

Part of what’s frustrating me. Made it to 240 last week. Did too much yardwork in Arizona and ate poorly all weekend, not kidding I leveled out around 228.

You mentioned a thyroid problem I believe, there gotta be something to fix that.

 

[kisaj]

Im just gonna chime in here and say that i was taking basically identical doses to him for a few years nonstop and the withdrawals rivaled that of oxycontin and hydromorphone for me. Pure misery for 2 weeks and then feeling like sh1t for another 2 weeks after that. Literally didnt sleep at all for the first 2 weeks. I had to go to inpatient rehab to get off. It may be different for him. But maybe not. I just think you're underestimating how bad they can be.

You are definitely the exception. I read your stories about getting off kratom and I have never read anything like it, other than the fake stories over at r/quittingkratom by the FDA. The only thing that make sense is that your chemistry changed by being addicted to other substances.

 

[kisaj]

Part of what’s frustrating me. Made it to 240 last week. Did too much yardwork in Arizona and ate poorly all weekend, not kidding I leveled out around 228.

You dropped 12 lbs by doing yard work? You sure there isn't something causing this?

 

[SkRaw85]

Do you have Winstrol? Winny is supposed to lower SHBG if you wanted to switch. Stinging Nettle Extract also does this. I know you don’t train much, but when you do train - are you really training hard? There has to be some real stimulus for change, not just catching a pump.

Also, can you drop your Kratom dose 10g asap? Not sure if it would make the difference in constipation; just tossing out an idea. Regarding eating, JM says many people fall into the trap of eating big a few days then taking a day off- he says for the hardgainer, that’s what prevents many from progressing. You need to find easy calorie options for days when you’re low on appetite or time to eat. With the sheer amount of calories you need, it’s all just fuel - the numbers matter more than quality.

To get what you’ve never had, you must do more than you’ve ever done.

That last sentence is the most valuable one I’ve seen in a while.

 

[Newth]

Wow this grew fast, I'll have to read it properly tonight. Matthersby
At a quick glance I would think stabilise your insulin, it's really anti-catabolic, then drop your cycle to a cutting type dose and sort the hell out of the kratom.

 

[Matthersby]

You dropped 12 lbs by doing yard work? You sure there isn't something causing this?

I believe it’s 3 things.
My thyroid is able to burn through me at anything less than 4000 calories
I’ve been blasting practically non stop since March and gear either needs to be mega dosed or I need to cruise for a bit and let myo, SHBG, receptors reach normal levels.
I hold a lot of water especially on Dbol and was overly optimistic about 18lbs jn 4 weeks.


Either way, I’m feeling like I need to remove some variables, kratom being one that’s weighing on me heavily.

 

[christ83189]

You are definitely the exception. I read your stories about getting off kratom and I have never read anything like it, other than the fake stories over at r/quittingkratom by the FDA. The only thing that make sense is that your chemistry changed by being addicted to other substances.

Matthersby's experience seems to be similar to mine. Im not like trying to get it banned or anything by making up bullsh1t stories to scare people. Im not against it and the onlt reason i chime up in any of the other kratom threads is bc people are always saying its not addictive and perfectly safe and i want people to be able to know that the possibility is there before they decide to try it. They deserve that much. I dont want anyone to go through the hell ive been through. You say im the exception, but im not the first and i wont be the last. I know youve been using it for a long time with no issues and i know lots of others do too. But that doesn't mean its perfectly safe for anyone and everyone

 

[Matthersby]

Matthersby's experience seems to be similar to mine. Im not like trying to get it banned or anything by making up bullsh1t stories to scare people. Im not against it and the onlt reason i chime up in any of the other kratom threads is bc people are always saying its not addictive and perfectly safe and i want people to be able to know that the possibility is there before they decide to try it. They deserve that much. I dont want anyone to go through the hell ive been through. You say im the exception, but im not the first and i wont be the last. I know youve been using it for a long time with no issues and i know lots of others do too. But that doesn't mean its perfectly safe for anyone and everyone

Consider this.
Much like how when we take exogenous hormones, our body shuts ours down. How bad the damage is can’t be measured outside of labs. Opiate receptors are no different. Years of opiate abuse lead to far less natural opiate production. Damage is irreparable. So, for those who have been through oxy, methadone Subs, heroin, wd’s etc after years of abuse; have less to begin with, and one could speculate withdrawals could be more and more severe for them. Plus the longer the dependency and the higher the dosage, the more horrific the withdrawal. Ask anyone that’s quit Percocet at 5mgs a day vs 50-100. Such is 8 grams of k vs 80

 

[christ83189]

Consider this.
Much like how when we take exogenous hormones, our body shuts ours down. How bad the damage is can’t be measured outside of labs. Opiate receptors are no different. Years of opiate abuse lead to far less natural opiate production. Damage is irreparable. So, for those who have been through oxy, methadone Subs, heroin, wd’s etc after years of abuse; have less to begin with, and one could speculate withdrawals could be more and more severe for them. Plus the longer the dependency and the higher the dosage, the more horrific the withdrawal. Ask anyone that’s quit Percocet at 5mgs a day vs 50-100. Such is 8 grams of k vs 80

Truth. Thats why people seem to think im talking out of my ass most of the time when i say what kratom did to me. They dont get that

 

[tyga tyga]

Truth. Thats why people seem to think im talking out of my ass most of the time when i say what kratom did to me. They dont get that

It’s the internet fam. Some people say they don’t withdrawal when the stop when in reality, they may have never stopped (or have “quit” for a few days). I have an abuse problem from the past so I’m aware my situation was likely different from someone who didn’t have a past with benzo/opiates. However, I was only taking 10-12g eod and the withdrawal was worse than xans and klonopins.

The good thing is, he’s willing to quit. So, we keep him accountable... that’s all that matters at this point.

 

[bigbeaph]

Truth. Thats why people seem to think im talking out of my ass most of the time when i say what kratom did to me. They dont get that

I dont know that people are calling bullsh!t on ya. Your just most definately on the far end of the spectrum. I think your right about prior addiction to opiates causing a tougher withdrawal, its gotta be true. People are just different is all and labeling it "dangerous " isnt the right thing to do either. People need to be responsible for what they put in their body and stop passing blame around. So there is a docu that says its non addictive and probably vendors claiming the same thing. But a 5 minute Google search will show you that's absolutely not true. Coming from someone that got addicted to pain pills while thinking my doses were perfectly fine because I was getting them from a doc and using them for 100% legit reason. Doc never told me, hey watch out for dependance. But wasnt his fault, my ignorant butts fault. Hope this doesnt sound too harsh...just saying we are 100% responsible for ourselves and nobody else is. I truly feel for ya man, I know at least somewhat the hell you've been through. I dont wish that on my worst enemy. But that's your body chemistry. I can take phenibut or xanax everyday for a month and stop without any I'll effects. But 4 days of opiates and I'm f******. We just have to police ourselves.

 

[DemntedCowboy]

I dont know about Kratom, opiates or anything else. My real mother was a crack, weed, heroin, opiate addict. So I never liked pills. But I have been an alcoholic for 20 years and recovering for 3.

 

[christ83189]

I dont know that people are calling bullsh!t on ya. Your just most definately on the far end of the spectrum. I think your right about prior addiction to opiates causing a tougher withdrawal, its gotta be true. People are just different is all and labeling it "dangerous " isnt the right thing to do either. People need to be responsible for what they put in their body and stop passing blame around. So there is a docu that says its non addictive and probably vendors claiming the same thing. But a 5 minute Google search will show you that's absolutely not true. Coming from someone that got addicted to pain pills while thinking my doses were perfectly fine because I was getting them from a doc and using them for 100% legit reason. Doc never told me, hey watch out for dependance. But wasnt his fault, my ignorant butts fault. Hope this doesnt sound too harsh...just saying we are 100% responsible for ourselves and nobody else is. I truly feel for ya man, I know at least somewhat the hell you've been through. I dont wish that on my worst enemy. But that's your body chemistry. I can take phenibut or xanax everyday for a month and stop without any I'll effects. But 4 days of opiates and I'm f******. We just have to police ourselves.

I was talking about in other threads people calling bullsh1t. Not in here. And im not trying to shift blame to anyone else either. I know its my own dumbass fault for getting hooked on stuff. And ive done it over and over again my whole life and just gets worse every time. I will say though that i was drawn in my the not addictive advertising. But still its my own fault for sure. It sucks cause when ive relapsed in the past my wife tears into me and im sitting here thinking you dont need to do thst. I beat myself up more everyday than anyone else ever could lol i have a hard time with getting into that state of mind sometimes where i look at all the wreckage of my past i have a hard time finding any good. Then i think of my kids and i think well i got that at least

 

[PoSiTiVeFLoW]

Truth. Thats why people seem to think im talking out of my ass most of the time when i say what kratom did to me. They dont get that

Bro totally get it. It's similar to how all the "pro weed" people who are probably addicted or dependent themselves, basically live in denial and say it's "withdrawal free" or harm free. While weed is pretty low harm, it has been my toughest dependency to stop (18 years). Of all the drugs I had significant exposure to, including cocaine and opiates... THC has been my terminus. I stopped chasing mental highs in my 20's. Drugs in my thirties we're poor coping mechanisms for stress/sleep.

So yeah we know so little about Kratom, if it can be a substitute for Opioids... It likely has addiction potential. As my doctor told me about how your neural network can be cross activated by different drugs in a similar way... So once a strong dependency develops, guys like you and I are always a little higher risk for things like this.

 

[DemntedCowboy]

Bro totally get it. It's similar to how all the "pro weed" people who are probably addicted or dependent themselves, basically live in denial and say it's "withdrawal free" or harm free. While weed is pretty low harm, it has been my toughest dependency to stop (18 years). Of all the drugs I had significant exposure to, including cocaine and opiates... THC has been my terminus. I stopped chasing mental highs in my 20's. Drugs in my thirties we're poor coping mechanisms for stress/sleep.

So yeah we know so little about Kratom, if it can be a substitute for Opioids... It likely has addiction potential. As my doctor told me about how your neural network can be cross activated by different drugs in a similar way... So once a strong dependency develops, guys like you and I are always a little higher risk for things like this.

Well, my wife is pro weed and so am I she has MS and it helps her sleep. She makes cookies. Not something I like but have tried it to try to sleep before and works great. Note to everyone....If you ever come train with me...Dont eat cookies in the freezer. Lol.

 

[PoSiTiVeFLoW]

Well, my wife is pro weed and so am I she has MS and it helps her sleep. She makes cookies. Not something I like but have tried it to try to sleep before and works great. Note to everyone....If you ever come train with me...Dont eat cookies in the freezer. Lol.

Oh for sure, marijuana has a lot of legit medical uses (despite the misguided war on drugs marketing).

I am pro freedom, personal choice, but in California many recreational users treat it like it has miracle properties.

Guess what I was saying is that the pro Kratom crowd do not want to hear it's not perfect (if they have build it up in their minds as such) and that for some it was just addicting as benzos or Opiates it's touted to replace.

Would like a Gabapentin analog for THC and opiates, that would be super useful... To help break the cycles.

 

[Matthersby]

It’s the internet fam. Some people say they don’t withdrawal when the stop when in reality, they may have never stopped (or have “quit” for a few days). I have an abuse problem from the past so I’m aware my situation was likely different from someone who didn’t have a past with benzo/opiates. However, I was only taking 10-12g eod and the withdrawal was worse than xans and klonopins.

The good thing is, he’s willing to quit. So, we keep him accountable... that’s all that matters at this point.

Thank you brother. I really appreciate that.

 

[Matthersby]

I see that on this and the “enhance the bodybuilding experience” thread that we all get really fired up about abuse and drugs. I have strong opinions all the way around, some very positive and some negative. But I try to never put myself in someone’s shoes in the sense that my reality:experience is very different than theirs. I’ve beaten addictions that should have killed me. Other than this bullshyt Kratom, I’ve seen myself go from homeless to living in a 400k house with a great job and a car that’s age could be counted in months rather than decades.
GOD decided that I would get another chance to be the Dad He intended me to be to my amazing little boys. I don’t make a habit of spitting in God’s face with the things he blesses me with. And yes, sobriety is a blessing for me. I remember my kids football games, I can drive everyone else around, I don’t embarrass myself or my family, I get to get and actually keep relationships with amazing women(like my current lady) I get to buy my kids the things they deserve and take them on vacations, and can pay my bills, I also am not helplessly watching my life be destroyed by own doing.... So it definitely gets me mad that this stupid plant owns me a little. That I can’t run out of it and have to hide it from everyone. Especially since I’ve beaten(or God has given me the strength) much bigger addictions with far worse consequences. This is something that’s beneath me and not worthy of being on my path.


Thank you guys for caring enough to say such helpful words. I hope I get the chance to repay it...

 

[Godstrength]

Consider this.
Much like how when we take exogenous hormones, our body shuts ours down. How bad the damage is can’t be measured outside of labs. Opiate receptors are no different. Years of opiate abuse lead to far less natural opiate production. Damage is irreparable. So, for those who have been through oxy, methadone Subs, heroin, wd’s etc after years of abuse; have less to begin with, and one could speculate withdrawals could be more and more severe for them. Plus the longer the dependency and the higher the dosage, the more horrific the withdrawal. Ask anyone that’s quit Percocet at 5mgs a day vs 50-100. Such is 8 grams of k vs 80

Its definitely easier to have withdraws when using on a fairly reg basis for past users too... In other words someone who has been addicted to opiates in the past May experience withdrawals after using 4 or 5 days straight where as someone who hasnt been addicted would not.

 

[Matthersby]

Its definitely easier to have withdraws when using on a fairly reg basis for past users too... In other words someone who has been addicted to opiates in the past May experience withdrawals after using 4 or 5 days straight where as someone who hasnt been addicted would not.

I’ve noticed this in the past too. It’s crazy.

 

[Matthersby]

I was talking about in other threads people calling bullsh1t. Not in here. And im not trying to shift blame to anyone else either. I know its my own dumbass fault for getting hooked on stuff. And ive done it over and over again my whole life and just gets worse every time. I will say though that i was drawn in my the not addictive advertising. But still its my own fault for sure. It sucks cause when ive relapsed in the past my wife tears into me and im sitting here thinking you dont need to do thst. I beat myself up more everyday than anyone else ever could lol i have a hard time with getting into that state of mind sometimes where i look at all the wreckage of my past i have a hard time finding any good. Then i think of my kids and i think well i got that at least

So
Much
Truth
Here.

Stay strong bro. We both have so much good in our lives. I keep a picture of my kids at the office. On my screensaver. I have to look at them typically if prior to making a stupid decision. We are only one step away from losing everything we love when we relapse. I can’t take the risk anymore, even if Kratom isn’t doing a damn thing but costing me $400 a month, it’s keeping me in the cycle of selfishness and addiction and I won’t tolerate it in my life anymore.

 

[Matthersby]

Npp at 575 on a cruise love it

I worded that wrong. I would finish the NPP blast for the next 4 weeks but discontinue the Dbol.- At that point, I would go down to my cruise dose of test and give my body some much-needed time off.

 

[Newth]

I see that on this and the “enhance the bodybuilding experience” thread that we all get really fired up about abuse and drugs. I have strong opinions all the way around, some very positive and some negative. But I try to never put myself in someone’s shoes in the sense that my reality:experience is very different than theirs. I’ve beaten addictions that should have killed me. Other than this bullshyt Kratom, I’ve seen myself go from homeless to living in a 400k house with a great job and a car that’s age could be counted in months rather than decades.
GOD decided that I would get another chance to be the Dad He intended me to be to my amazing little boys. I don’t make a habit of spitting in God’s face with the things he blesses me with. And yes, sobriety is a blessing for me. I remember my kids football games, I can drive everyone else around, I don’t embarrass myself or my family, I get to get and actually keep relationships with amazing women(like my current lady) I get to buy my kids the things they deserve and take them on vacations, and can pay my bills, I also am not helplessly watching my life be destroyed by own doing.... So it definitely gets me mad that this stupid plant owns me a little. That I can’t run out of it and have to hide it from everyone. Especially since I’ve beaten(or God has given me the strength) much bigger addictions with far worse consequences. This is something that’s beneath me and not worthy of being on my path.


Thank you guys for caring enough to say such helpful words. I hope I get the chance to repay it...

I'm not a man of God but I truly respect that.
Twice I've been in my car with half a pocket of cash, my family and most our stuff. They never spent a night without a bed.
IMO, the bolded is like a foundation. If you can make this work, life hits a certain level of easy.

 

[bigbeaph]

I was talking about in other threads people calling bullsh1t. Not in here. And im not trying to shift blame to anyone else either. I know its my own dumbass fault for getting hooked on stuff. And ive done it over and over again my whole life and just gets worse every time. I will say though that i was drawn in my the not addictive advertising. But still its my own fault for sure. It sucks cause when ive relapsed in the past my wife tears into me and im sitting here thinking you dont need to do thst. I beat myself up more everyday than anyone else ever could lol i have a hard time with getting into that state of mind sometimes where i look at all the wreckage of my past i have a hard time finding any good. Then i think of my kids and i think well i got that at least

Dude, I think that rant came out a little but wrong. I had no intentions of insinuating that you dont take responsibility for your stuff. Seem like a real stand up guy from the threads we have chatted on. Really just kinda meant that's what I thought the whole move to label kratom with a negative connotation was all about. That in a way is to shift the blame....just my thought. Not directed to you at all. And that sucks about your lady not understanding...although seems like there is no way to have our spouses really understand. That stuff will break your heart when people dont realize you want to and are trying to do the right thing legitimately.

 

[christ83189]

Dude, I think that rant came out a little but wrong. I had no intentions of insinuating that you dont take responsibility for your stuff. Seem like a real stand up guy from the threads we have chatted on. Really just kinda meant that's what I thought the whole move to label kratom with a negative connotation was all about. That in a way is to shift the blame....just my thought. Not directed to you at all. And that sucks about your lady not understanding...although seems like there is no way to have our spouses really understand. That stuff will break your heart when people dont realize you want to and are trying to do the right thing legitimately.

Yeah it does. And honestly i didnt think you were saying i didnt take responsibility i just wanted to make it clear that i do know that my choices are what got me there in the first place and i wasnt blaming anybody else for it. Neither do i think kratom should be scheduled and banned, just think people need to be educated. And documentaries out like leaf of faith (never seen it just going off of what ive heard) that claim it has no addictive potential are part of the problem. Alot of people can use it without issue it seems but not everyone

 

[christ83189]

Yeah it does. And honestly i didnt think you were saying i didnt take responsibility i just wanted to make it clear that i do know that my choices are what got me there in the first place and i wasnt blaming anybody else for it. Neither do i think kratom should be scheduled and banned, just think people need to be educated. And documentaries out like leaf of faith (never seen it just going off of what ive heard) that claim it has no addictive potential are part of the problem. Alot of people can use it without issue it seems but not everyone

Stuff out there saying it isnt addictive is what got me to try it because as i was in recovery i heard about it and i did alot of research on it before i ever tried it and everything i found said non-addictive. So i tried it and if i was being nore careful i wouldve caught on a little quicker but before i knew it I would try to take a day off and couldnt because the withdrawals made me sick and i had to take some to go to work. 6 years later and idk how many attempts to stop i finally went to rehab

 

[Hyde]

Matthersby go get you a 12-pack of tacos goddammit!

 

[RickyBlobby]

Stuff out there saying it isnt addictive is what got me to try it because as i was in recovery i heard about it and i did alot of research on it before i ever tried it and everything i found said non-addictive. So i tried it and if i was being nore careful i wouldve caught on a little quicker but before i knew it I would try to take a day off and couldnt because the withdrawals made me sick and i had to take some to go to work. 6 years later and idk how many attempts to stop i finally went to rehab

Yeah I read from what I thought was a trusted source was that withdrawals were like having a "mild cold" for 3 days and that was it. Sure wish I would have done more research :/

 

[Matthersby]

Matthersby go get you a 12-pack of tacos goddammit!

I’m on it. I ate 2 chicken breast, rice, corn, and grilled romaine last night. Then I proceeded to eat 14 granola bars dipped in peanut butter.

 

[Matthersby]

So yesterday I was pinning glutes as always. First time ever hit a nerve. It was just like every damn quad shot I’ve done, electric pain down the leg, couldn’t get the other half CC in to it. Not happening. So, naturally I pulled out, and with a clean-enough looking 25g needle, went to just shoot the other 1/2 subQ, since I had just pinned my 52iu’s of Lantus and had some clean alcohol skin. Well the pins I got on sale are 1.5” and I ended up in ab muscle. Don’t do this friends. I get no pip in my scar tissue filled glutes ever. This feels like I got shot with a bean bag in my bellybutton.

 

[jrock645]

I love grilled romaine!

Surprised youd be wasting stomach volume on lettuce, though!

 

[tyga tyga]

I love grilled romaine!

Surprised youd be wasting stomach volume on lettuce, though!

This lol

Greens is for weenies, do you want to be a weenie?

 

[Matthersby]

I totally agree. Dinner is the only time I will eat a few veggies for the gf sake.

 

[jrock645]

I used to never eat any veggies. Simply didnt have time for that. But i figure getting into my 30’s i probably should. Thank god for blenders.

 

[Whisky]

So yesterday I was pinning glutes as always. First time ever hit a nerve. It was just like every damn quad shot I’ve done, electric pain down the leg, couldn’t get the other half CC in to it. Not happening. So, naturally I pulled out, and with a clean-enough looking 25g needle, went to just shoot the other 1/2 subQ, since I had just pinned my 52iu’s of Lantus and had some clean alcohol skin. Well the pins I got on sale are 1.5” and I ended up in ab muscle. Don’t do this friends. I get no pip in my scar tissue filled glutes ever. This feels like I got shot with a bean bag in my bellybutton.

Jesus bro, sounds horrendous. I’ve yet to hit a nerve. Hoping it’s not gonna happen anytime soon

 

[Whisky]

So yesterday I was pinning glutes as always. First time ever hit a nerve. It was just like every damn quad shot I’ve done, electric pain down the leg, couldn’t get the other half CC in to it. Not happening. So, naturally I pulled out, and with a clean-enough looking 25g needle, went to just shoot the other 1/2 subQ, since I had just pinned my 52iu’s of Lantus and had some clean alcohol skin. Well the pins I got on sale are 1.5” and I ended up in ab muscle. Don’t do this friends. I get no pip in my scar tissue filled glutes ever. This feels like I got shot with a bean bag in my bellybutton.

Jesus bro, sounds horrendous. I’ve yet to hit a nerve. Hoping it’s not gonna happen anytime soon

 

[Matthersby]

Jesus bro, sounds horrendous. I’ve yet to hit a nerve. Hoping it’s not gonna happen anytime soon

I’d rather go back and hit the nerve again over abdominal pip. It sucks today.

 

[swimfan65]

I used to never eat any veggies. Simply didnt have time for that. But i figure getting into my 30’s i probably should. Thank god for blenders.

I never eat veggies...lol

 

[jrock645]

I never eat veggies...lol

Throw em in the blender. Makes life a lot easier.

 

[bigbeaph]

So yesterday I was pinning glutes as always. First time ever hit a nerve. It was just like every damn quad shot I’ve done, electric pain down the leg, couldn’t get the other half CC in to it. Not happening. So, naturally I pulled out, and with a clean-enough looking 25g needle, went to just shoot the other 1/2 subQ, since I had just pinned my 52iu’s of Lantus and had some clean alcohol skin. Well the pins I got on sale are 1.5” and I ended up in ab muscle. Don’t do this friends. I get no pip in my scar tissue filled glutes ever. This feels like I got shot with a bean bag in my bellybutton.

I have never talked to anyone that hit a nerve during a glute injection. You are stealing all the luck this run brotha. Is taking the DBOL out for a couple days having any positive effect on your appetite yet?

 

[Hyde]

I never eat veggies...lol

I thought all you were eating with your plain, no-sauce meat was brown rice and broccoli? *seriously*

I was like how tf is he eating all that broccoli without a bunch of sauce.

 

[adammorrow36]

Alright guys.
Here’s where I’m at. I’m pushing my body to do something it doesn’t seem to want to do right now. I’m not quitting or giving up, I’m reevaluating.
I’m going to break it down and try to speculate some points here and see what you guys think: I am open to ideas:

- I’m not responding to gear like I have in the past. Whether receptors are tapped, SHBG, myostatin, I don’t know but I’ve been blasting almost non stop since March
- It seems as though I am just putting on water and have fluctuated from 223 to 240.
- I can eat ridiculous amounts of food for 6 days and 1 day of limited appetite and busy day, and I lose every bit of the previous week.
- I think the Kratom constipation is limiting me from eating enough. I have to force feed every meal and my intestines are so bloated I feel like I’m going to end up in the ER if I keep this up.
- maybe I need to focus on getting off this stuff, tackling the nausea of Kratom on top of week 5 of Dbol has become counter productive.
I know I can hang on to the weight I’ve gained and figure this out, but I feel like I’m wasting my efforts right now. I’m lost right now and may need to get things to a better place to tackle this.

Try some yk11 it may help with myostasin

 

[Hyde]

Try some yk11 it may help with myostasin

I did not know that, very interesting. Could be the perfect thing to replace Dbol with in this cycle.

Plus it’s readily available - you can order from MA Research today and have it at your crib Friday. They’re fast on shipping and always have an active 15% off code here.

 

[Matthersby]

I have never talked to anyone that hit a nerve during a glute injection. You are stealing all the luck this run brotha. Is taking the DBOL out for a couple days having any positive effect on your appetite yet?

Not yet, took 20mg dbol yesterday morning. Kratom shouldn’t be making me nauseous at all, don’t even take more than 10grams in one dose anymore. Used to take 21 grams in a dose and get no nausea at all.

 

[Matthersby]

YK May be smart to run