Pro IGF-1 log Hi Tech Pharm

Big_Spaz said:
Excellent update, please keep them coming!


I started my run this past Tuesday. I am not running a "log" persay, but I will keep you guys posted on my results (and thoughts) as my cycle goes along. I'm running the exact same training protocol as before, diet is pretty much the exact same as well. Only difference ... Pro IGF-1 at 10 caps per day. 5 Pre-Workout at 4:30 AM and 5 Pre-Bed at around 8:30 PM.

Only thing I've noticed so far ... sleep quality has been excellent. Literally knocked out right away and waking up feeling very refreshed. And that was after getting 5 hours, 11 hours and 6 hours of sleep. My sleep really varies depending on when I fall asleep on the recliner and what football game happens to be on TV :)






-Spaz
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Nice! I'm stocking up the bottles now and am looking forward to better sleep.
 
Big_Spaz said:
Excellent update, please keep them coming!


I started my run this past Tuesday. I am not running a "log" persay, but I will keep you guys posted on my results (and thoughts) as my cycle goes along. I'm running the exact same training protocol as before, diet is pretty much the exact same as well. Only difference ... Pro IGF-1 at 10 caps per day. 5 Pre-Workout at 4:30 AM and 5 Pre-Bed at around 8:30 PM.

Only thing I've noticed so far ... sleep quality has been excellent. Literally knocked out right away and waking up feeling very refreshed. And that was after getting 5 hours, 11 hours and 6 hours of sleep. My sleep really varies depending on when I fall asleep on the recliner and what football game happens to be on TV :
-Spaz
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Awesome! Drop your updated in this log. I'm interested in seeing what 10 pills per day does. Only problem is the bottle is only going to last you 3-weeks. Did you buy two bottles?
 
Hey guys I workout only from three month and I wo 5 times a week I use Bcaa extend and iso 100 .my Wight 177 lbs I have fat on tommy .
Can you please advise if I can use it and did I need to buy something else with it and what the best wo plan as per ur experience.
 
Ahmadtayyeb88 said:
Hey guys I workout only from three month and I wo 5 times a week I use Bcaa extend and iso 100 .my Wight 177 lbs I have fat on tommy .
Can you please advise if I can use it and did I need to buy something else with it and what the best wo plan as per ur experience.
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Honestly, you should Focus on lifting, your diet, and building a base before really taking anything other then protein, PWO, multi, & BCAAs.
 
Update - still rocking that fullness feeling, but been lathargic as sh*t for the last four days. I feel like a slug, PWO bearly gets me going at the gym :(
 
I jumped on late but is this supp supposed to help you lean out while improving recovery and adding muscle? sorry for noob question.
 
totally off subject.
I just finished a bottle of hi-tech 1-AD. WORKS AS ADVERTISED!
I was happy with the 9 lbs I gained and I changed not a damn thing about my routine or my diet, so I know it was the 1-AD that made the gains possible! I think Hi-tech is a solid brand, I'll continue to buy from them!
 
totally off subject.
I just finished a bottle of hi-tech 1-AD. WORKS AS ADVERTISED!
I was happy with the 9 lbs I gained and I changed not a damn thing about my routine or my diet, so I know it was the 1-AD that made the gains possible! I think Hi-tech is a solid brand, I'll continue to buy from them!
 
Hawgfan4ever said:
totally off subject.
I just finished a bottle of hi-tech 1-AD. WORKS AS ADVERTISED!
I was happy with the 9 lbs I gained and I changed not a damn thing about my routine or my diet, so I know it was the 1-AD that made the gains possible! I think Hi-tech is a solid brand, I'll continue to buy from them!
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appreciate the great review :)
 
Update - lethargy is gone after upping the carbs A LOT! I still have the fullness like before, but haven't noticed to much outside of them. I stopped bulking but my diet has been horrible lately, and since you can out train a bad diet I'm not exspecting a boatload of progress. Just hopeimg the IGF keeps the fat at bay, which it seems to be :)
 
Hawgfan4ever said:
totally off subject.
I just finished a bottle of hi-tech 1-AD. WORKS AS ADVERTISED!
I was happy with the 9 lbs I gained and I changed not a damn thing about my routine or my diet, so I know it was the 1-AD that made the gains possible! I think Hi-tech is a solid brand, I'll continue to buy from them!
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Thanks for the love ..1-AD is for real
 
Update.

On my 3rd week and I need to admit there is no change in size, strength etc
I gonna increase my dose right after first bloodwork.
 
Danes said:
Update.

On my 3rd week and I need to admit there is no change in size, strength etc
I gonna increase my dose right after first bloodwork.
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I honestly wouldn't do bloodwork until after 4 weeks, especially if you are running it longer than that.
 
Nac said:
Its a natty non-hormonal, what could you possibly and realistically expect after 4 weeks?
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Actually we expect "much" from it.
Like VaughnTrue wrote :

"Pro IGF-1 will bring with it the same gains and the same side effects as injectable IGF-1"
And
"yea i dont get why people keep saying IGF-1 needs so much time to provide results...most users see incredible results and only run it for a max of 6 weeks."

Big claims so i personaly expect some body changes after 6 week at 40mcg daily.
 
Dont be so naive. You guys are basing your expectations on the expectations of a rep?

Youre familiar with the science of this stuff, and systemic vs localised administration. Also, as per PA (and MK677) and just about every other "natty" compound that has ever existed...results, real and actual non-transient non-superficial results, take time. Longer than 4 weeks at any rate. Even roidz generally wont accomplish that.
 
Nac said:
Dont be so naive. You guys are basing your expectations on the expectations of a rep?

Youre familiar with the science of this stuff, and systemic vs localised administration. Also, as per PA and MK677 and just about every other natty compound that has ever existed...results, real and actual non-transient superficial results, take time. Longer than 4 weeks at any rate.
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Hehe dont you understand irony ;)
I am not expecting anything :)
 
Danes said:
Actually we expect "much" from it.
Like VaughnTrue wrote :

"Pro IGF-1 will bring with it the same gains and the same side effects as injectable IGF-1"
And
"yea i dont get why people keep saying IGF-1 needs so much time to provide results...most users see incredible results and only run it for a max of 6 weeks."

Big claims so i personaly expect some body changes after 6 week at 40mcg daily.
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Nac said:
Dont be so naive. You guys are basing your expectations on the expectations of a rep?

Youre familiar with the science of this stuff, and systemic vs localised administration. Also, as per PA (and MK677) and just about every other "natty" compound that has ever existed...results, real and actual non-transient non-superficial results, take time. Longer than 4 weeks at any rate. Even roidz generally wont accomplish that.
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the claims I'm making are under the assumption the delivery system works as advertised, like the initial blood work indicated it will.

If the delivery system delivers 20mcg of IGF-1 directly into the blood stream, it will work the same as 20mcg IGF-1 injected into the blood stream.
 
VaughnTrue said:
the claims I'm making are under the assumption the delivery system works as advertised, like the initial blood work indicated it will.

If the delivery system delivers 20mcg of IGF-1 directly into the blood stream, it will work the same as 20mcg IGF-1 injected into the blood stream.
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If this stuff works, I need to admit it will be a huge gamechanger
 
Hey guys. Will this product increase the amount of cells? Hyperplasia? Or whatever its called. Or will it only help with recovery and hunger?
 
Firreozkan said:
Hey guys. Will this product increase the amount of cells? Hyperplasia? Or whatever its called. Or will it only help with recovery and hunger?
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Theoretically it should I believe
 
Nac said:
Its a natty non-hormonal, what could you possibly and realistically expect after 4 weeks?
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We all know that it wasn't going to work like the real deal. But, some changes would have been nice instead of being a total bust.
 
VaughnTrue said:
the claims I'm making are under the assumption the delivery system works as advertised, like the initial blood work indicated it will.

If the delivery system delivers 20mcg of IGF-1 directly into the blood stream, it will work the same as 20mcg IGF-1 injected into the blood stream.
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My big question is what do we expect IGF injected directly into the blood stream, to even do?
 
Also IDK if anyone has bought up this point, but do we actually expect this product to have a half-life long enough to justify compounding concentrations over the period of days or even weeks (assuming daily supplementation)?

I keep seeing people say to wait 4, 8, 12 weeks before getting blood work. Why?

The half-life of IGF-1 is so short in the plasma that the blood work on week 4 (dose #28) really should be no different than the blood work immediately after dose #1 (assuming both are taken 90 mins or so before blood draw).
 
bigdavid said:
Also IDK if anyone has bought up this point, but do we actually expect this product to have a half-life long enough to justify compounding concentrations over the period of days or even weeks (assuming daily supplementation)?

I keep seeing people say to wait 4, 8, 12 weeks before getting blood work. Why?

The half-life of IGF-1 is so short in the plasma that the blood work on week 4 (dose #28) really should be no different than the blood work immediately after dose #1 (assuming both are taken 90 mins or so before blood draw).
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Interesting point, I brought up the same one ��
 
Joe12 said:
Interesting point, I brought up the same one ��
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See, in general, for most of the products on the market that increase GH or IGF through some sort of secretagogue or delayed increasing effect, waiting for blood work is surely justified. It may take time for increases to be significant enough to show changes on blood panels. But since the half life is so short, and this product is the actual IGF-1 molecule, and not a precursor, I am 99% (if not more) sure that the first dose is good enough for blood work...and honestly the company or someone could buy 1 bottle and have a few guys take it and have them all get blood work right after.. that would be good proof for an increase if one were to even occur with this product. Now obviously gains would take many months, but blood work should be rather instantaneous. And if anything, there is more likely a mechanism to shut down IGF-1 over prolonged exogenous use than there is for compounding to happen over time with supplementation...Im not saying either is true. Just saying one is more likely than the other logically. So if anything blood work after the first or second dose would be the most likely to show blood increases of IGF-1.
 
bigdavid said:
Also IDK if anyone has bought up this point, but do we actually expect this product to have a half-life long enough to justify compounding concentrations over the period of days or even weeks (assuming daily supplementation)?

I keep seeing people say to wait 4, 8, 12 weeks before getting blood work. Why?

The half-life of IGF-1 is so short in the plasma that the blood work on week 4 (dose #28) really should be no different than the blood work immediately after dose #1 (assuming both are taken 90 mins or so before blood draw).
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Joe12 said:
Interesting point, I brought up the same one ��
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bigdavid said:
See, in general, for most of the products on the market that increase GH or IGF through some sort of secretagogue or delayed increasing effect, waiting for blood work is surely justified. It may take time for increases to be significant enough to show changes on blood panels. But since the half life is so short, and this product is the actual IGF-1 molecule, and not a precursor, I am 99% (if not more) sure that the first dose is good enough for blood work...and honestly the company or someone could buy 1 bottle and have a few guys take it and have them all get blood work right after.. that would be good proof for an increase if one were to even occur with this product. Now obviously gains would take many months, but blood work should be rather instantaneous. And if anything, there is more likely a mechanism to shut down IGF-1 over prolonged exogenous use than there is for compounding to happen over time with supplementation...Im not saying either is true. Just saying one is more likely than the other logically. So if anything blood work after the first or second dose would be the most likely to show blood increases of IGF-1.
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again, injectable IGF-1, unless you're using LR3 would have the identical half life.

To see what one should expect, simply look at logs of people using traditional non-LR3 injectable IGF-1
 
VaughnTrue said:
again, injectable IGF-1, unless you're using LR3 would have the identical half life.

To see what one should expect, simply look at logs of people using traditional non-LR3 injectable IGF-1
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Where do these people inject the IGF-1? The muscle? Or the venous system?
 
bigdavid said:
Ding ding ding. WE HAVE A WINNER. This was my exact point. No one tries to get spikes of igf in the circulation. You want it LOCALLY.
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Unless you've just trained and your receptors are asking for it, then yes IGF circulation would be systemic growth, I've said this in all the threads haha
 
So claiming that this product (allowing high concentrations of igf in the plasma) would give equivalent RESULTS compared to people using IGF IM....is a completely unfounded and asinine claim.
 
bigdavid said:
Where do these people inject the IGF-1? The muscle? Or the venous system?
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bigdavid said:
Ding ding ding. WE HAVE A WINNER. This was my exact point. No one tries to get spikes of igf in the circulation. You want it LOCALLY.
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Juicedeez utz said:
Unless you've just trained and your receptors are asking for it, then yes IGF circulation would be systemic growth, I've said this in all the threads haha
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bigdavid said:
So claiming that this product (allowing high concentrations of igf in the plasma) would give equivalent RESULTS compared to people using IGF IM....is a completely unfounded and asinine claim.
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This has actually been proven to be incorrect despite traditional thought process. Injecting IGF-1 does not cause site growth, but it enters the blood stream.

I'm looking for a specific study I've seen numerous times which touches on this, as soon as I find it I will post it.
 
bigdavid said:
See, in general, for most of the products on the market that increase GH or IGF through some sort of secretagogue or delayed increasing effect, waiting for blood work is surely justified. It may take time for increases to be significant enough to show changes on blood panels. But since the half life is so short, and this product is the actual IGF-1 molecule, and not a precursor, I am 99% (if not more) sure that the first dose is good enough for blood work...and honestly the company or someone could buy 1 bottle and have a few guys take it and have them all get blood work right after.. that would be good proof for an increase if one were to even occur with this product. Now obviously gains would take many months, but blood work should be rather instantaneous. And if anything, there is more likely a mechanism to shut down IGF-1 over prolonged exogenous use than there is for compounding to happen over time with supplementation...Im not saying either is true. Just saying one is more likely than the other logically. So if anything blood work after the first or second dose would be the most likely to show blood increases of IGF-1.
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This is more than true but :
1. Bringing blood results on the table after some weeks will be even better proof. Why ?
You know how companies can be picky.
" you didnt run long enough etc.etc.etc."
 
Update - I'm a month in, and outside of some arm fullness I'm not seeing a whole lot from this product. I initially thought the fullness
In my arms was linked to the igf, but at this point I think that's just bc my weight went up from bulking. I'm not expecting much else from this bottle since I only have 2-weeks. If I blow up out of no where, I'll let you guys know.
 
Any more updates?


I'm in the same boat ... middle of Week 4 now and sleep, recovery and over fullness has been great (always feel pretty good, feel very pumped while working out) and really having experienced anything "negative" at this point. But I haven't stumbled upon any new incredible new found size yet either. Weights are moving up (and moving them around with relative ease) so that's definitely a plus.

I definitely wouldn't say bust by any means (I feel great and my training has been great) but hoping once I get into this second bottle the size gains really come on. We'll see :)






-Spaz
 
Big_Spaz said:
Any more updates?


I'm in the same boat ... middle of Week 4 now and sleep, recovery and over fullness has been great (always feel pretty good, feel very pumped while working out) and really having experienced anything "negative" at this point. But I haven't stumbled upon any new incredible new found size yet either. Weights are moving up (and moving them around with relative ease) so that's definitely a plus.

I definitely wouldn't say bust by any means (I feel great and my training has been great) but hoping once I get into this second bottle the size gains really come on. We'll see :)

-Spaz
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Update - I'm basicly in the same spot as I was before. Although I did noticed myself cranking out some more pull ups. However, no real body change and at this point. I def won't drop that kind of $$ again to just fell a little muscle fullness.
 
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