Exactly. I love how me don't put the burden of running a log on anyone we try to hook up with our goods.
excited to try this as I've only tried RL and one of the other flavours which tasted nasty (but don't remember which one!)
After deciding I would never buy Alphamine again after the formula change...I am currently on my second tub of the new version. I have mostly used it as part of my morning wake up routine...as with the old formula. Hate to sound like a broken record but it really is a considerable downgrade for me. The only positive thing I can appreciate in the new formula is the l-theanine with its slight calming effect. Also, just the placebo affect that the product looks and tastes the same kind of helps. I still don't understand why l-leucine is the first ingredient which even still makes it a completely ineffective dose. At the very least, they need to take out the l-leucine, bring choline bitartrate back as the highest dosed ingredient and then add in some theacrine. This would still make it a bit milder than the original which apparently was the goal?
I know...I even hated saying it again...haha!
Yeah...they always have and still do have great flavors!
Oh man nice score. That flavor is on point and always did taste even better with the iced water.
Josh is a master at flavoring. Been that way since we joined the flavored product game.
As much as I hate to go on about this, it is simply something I just don't understand. Apparently they wanted to take out the Yohimbe extract in fear that it will soon be banned...at least I think that is what I read. Fine, take it out, no biggie. However, maybe put some thought behind the new formula and make something that is possibly even better! Come up with a new ingredient that will wow everyone like OL and BLR do on a regular basis. I know supplements come and go but this was the biggest thermogenic powder of all time with a huge following. Big time slap in the face to to all of us that loved it...
Right, that is why they could have removed the Yohimbe and done something possibly "innovative" that was globally accepted. It really would not be that hard. The current formula looks like it was created without any thought whatsoever.
To further the "no thought" point, they kept the same name, which makes no sense.
My point exactly..
Making changes to make it available globally is fine. The fact that this still could have been accomplished with a more well thought out ingredient profile is the problem. Bottom line, PES has already lost at least one customer which would be myself. AM members do indeed represent a minimal percentage of people that bought the product, but that does not mean that the masses of people that bought the product over the years are thrilled about the current formula either. There are people who exist in this world without being an AM member that are quite knowledgeable about the products they purchase. If another goal was to see Alphamine show up on the shelves of Walmart someday as another poster suggested; I would see that as the ultimate insult to the PES brand. Who goes to Walmart to purchase anything that is of high quality? Sorry, I will not mention anything more about it and I hope PES finds that they accomplish their goals of achieving further profit over producing a solid product.
If changing alphamine from a fat burner to a energy supplement has kept anyone from purchasing select protein then I must say said person is missing out!
Understatement of the yearIf changing alphamine from a fat burner to a energy supplement has kept anyone from purchasing select protein then I must say said person is missing out!
That must be it. I am living in a fantasy...haha! I admit that I do not know specifically what ingredients or extracts are globally accepted. If you can send me such a list, I would be glad to tell you and PES exactly what should have been in the new formula. I really don't care so much about the Yohimbe extract (though PES had the best one ever). The biggest problem with the current version is that l-leucine is the first ingredient in the propietary blend. The only purpose that serves in the formula is that of a cheap filler. LCLT at this dosage also seves zero purpose so that is yet another filler. At the end of the day, I hope the soccer moms of Afghanistan enjoy their new Alphamine and that PES will see this as a victory.
Maybe do a final batch of the OG Alphamine for all the followers out there? Collect some important money and with that invest to develop a new formula?
Tried to PM you but apparently your inbox is full. Cheers mate!If changing alphamine from a fat burner to a energy supplement has kept anyone from purchasing select protein then I must say said person is missing out!
Cleared sorry brother.
] of Sunrise Alphamine and that's my morning staple. It's been like that ever since they rolled out the new Alphamine - I bought a few of the new flavors during the first Insider sale.
I buy Ergonine and would certainly buy Select on a regular basis if it were more affordable. They just lost me as a customer as far as Alphamine is concerned.Used to be Team FP but I'm now 1 scoop Tropical Twist E9 with 1 scoop [ or a little more
I will say that I do miss the raise in body temp (or at least that sensation) from the OG Alphamine so I think I'm ready to start adding some Y to the mix to see how that compares.
Agree with the sentiments above, if the new formula of Alphamine stops anybody from buying Select or E9, they are missing out!
Can't understand how that point was misunderstood.
Me neither...haha! Not even sure it was directed at me but thought I would clear up my perspective anyway..
You have hit the nail on the head.
It is funny that you say this, I will explain why.Having recently bagged myself a tub of the European OG Alphamine I got round to trying a sample of the new formula which I received with my purchase! I must admit I LIKED IT!!! Flavour (sunrise) is on point, enough kick without giving jitters - nice and steady! No GI distress which I did get with the OG. I honestly didn't think I'd try the new formula due to it not being touted as a fat burner anymore! That being said, if you used Alphamine as a pre like I did/do, then the new A is just as good...maybe even better!!! bdcc if you have any other flavours to sample let me know
P.S. the sample package you recently received wasn't generous enough?Having recently bagged myself a tub of the European OG Alphamine I got round to trying a sample of the new formula which I received with my purchase! I must admit I LIKED IT!!! Flavour (sunrise) is on point, enough kick without giving jitters - nice and steady! No GI distress which I did get with the OG. I honestly didn't think I'd try the new formula due to it not being touted as a fat burner anymore! That being said, if you used Alphamine as a pre like I did/do, then the new A is just as good...maybe even better!!! bdcc if you have any other flavours to sample let me know
I paid for the goodie packP.S. the sample package you recently received wasn't generous enough?
but I think I may have got a few extras 
Please don't take this as a further attack on the current product...I am just curious,It is funny that you say this, I will explain why.
We all know how much preconceived beliefs can influence the perception of a product. For example the old European version of Alphamine had no yohimbe but we increased the doses of other ingredients to make them as comparable as possible. One UK customer complained about the lack of yohimbe (nothing we can do, we won't break the law) and when I asked if they would be able to tell the difference between the US and EU ones if they were blindfolded they said no. They just knew the EU one didn't have yohimbe so said it didn't feel the same despite admitting they couldn't actually tell the difference in feel.
When we first started testing the newer version of Alphamine we wanted to mimic the reason people bought the old one, a smooth feel good energy. I tested a version with caffeine and theanine expecting it to feel much weaker in terms of energy but I messaged the owner of the company saying that I was genuinely surprised how potent it felt.
This is why I don't miss yohimbe. It is a pain in the arse because it is only compliant in some countries and some people react terribly to it which isn't an attractive proposition when your customer base is as large as ours is now. The removal of HICA also allowed us to keep the pricing the same because the cost of it was going through the roof (many customers compare product costs and assume we are trying to improve profit margins but fail to take into consideration that if we carried on making the previous version their cost would have increased significantly, something that would have made buying it much less attractive as a proposition).
I am much happier having a product that feels similar, nobody reacts as badly to it as they can do with yohimbe and we can sell it pretty much globally. If someone desperately wants to use yohimbe then they have the choice of adding it themselves. The taste improvements also make a nice bonus.
This.
Such much info in this post that really has been overlooked by the majority of people still taking stabs over alphamine.You have hit the nail on the head.
Many hardcore fans have said "why didn't you use this ingredient?" or "you should do what X/Y/Z company are doing".
In a large chunk of these instances, ingredient suggestions have been things that are not compliant (and the person clearly doesn't understand regulations by suggesting it) and company comparisons have been against smaller companies who currently have products which are not compliant. We had so many reasons to reformulate the product yet most people on here are completely unaware of the majority of them.
As we grow, our customer base grows.
As we grow, we attract more potential for lawsuits.
We are in the largest brick and mortar chains in America as well as sold on the largest online store in America. We are distributed in Europe, Canada and Australasia. We have to play by different rules than small companies who have non compliant ingredients and fly under the radar.
Some people may be upset and certain product changes and that is absolutely their right. When a company has a huge number of customers it is impossible to please them all.
Every single person who has voices their complaints to me in person ended up agreeing that the changes we made make total sense when I explained them all in detail.
When it comes to compliance and legalities it is difficult to discuss everything with total transparency on the forum (especially when people ask why we don't do the same as other companies who currently sell products we would never sell for a multitude of reasons) so people may assume that we made the change based solely on yohimbe but that is incorrect.
If any of you meet me at an expo, come and chat to me about it in detail and I will be happy to answer all questions in full.
In the interim, new Alphamine is selling better than ever. If you want to use it as an energy drink that has a very low cost per serving (84 servings per tub) you will be very pleased.
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