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Used to be Team FP but I'm now 1 scoop Tropical Twist E9 with 1 scoop [ or a little more :) ] of Sunrise Alphamine and that's my morning staple. It's been like that ever since they rolled out the new Alphamine - I bought a few of the new flavors during the first Insider sale.

I will say that I do miss the raise in body temp (or at least that sensation) from the OG Alphamine so I think I'm ready to start adding some Y to the mix to see how that compares.

Agree with the sentiments above, if the new formula of Alphamine stops anybody from buying Select or E9, they are missing out!
 
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Used to be Team FP but I'm now 1 scoop Tropical Twist E9 with 1 scoop [ or a little more :) ] of Sunrise Alphamine and that's my morning staple. It's been like that ever since they rolled out the new Alphamine - I bought a few of the new flavors during the first Insider sale.

I will say that I do miss the raise in body temp (or at least that sensation) from the OG Alphamine so I think I'm ready to start adding some Y to the mix to see how that compares.

Agree with the sentiments above, if the new formula of Alphamine stops anybody from buying Select or E9, they are missing out!
I buy Ergonine and would certainly buy Select on a regular basis if it were more affordable. They just lost me as a customer as far as Alphamine is concerned.
 
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I buy Ergonine and would certainly buy Select on a regular basis if it were more affordable. They just lost me as a customer as far as Alphamine is concerned.
Can't understand how that point was misunderstood.

PES is still a solid company. Their move with Alphamine was a mistake in my opinion
 
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Can't understand how that point was misunderstood.

PES is still a solid company. Their move with Alphamine was a mistake in my opinion
Me neither...haha! Not even sure it was directed at me but thought I would clear up my perspective anyway..
 
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I'm not going to make this a back and forth, but the reason I chimed is not because Ricky10 isn't happy with Alphamine. He has the right to be, as a PES customer, critical of whatever he wants.

What I wanted to challenge was his ridiculous notion that PES can make something globally compliant that is innovative and effective in the same way OG Alphamine was. They obviously would do that if they could, but it's not that simple/easy.
 
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Not anymore, not without putting yourself at risk for lawsuits should an ingredient ever get flagged

Plus the idea is to produce products with proven ingredients. Those wanting results vastly outnumber those just looking to experiment.

I love experimenting, but I'd prefer do that with the ingredients solo anyways and not in the middle of a multi-ingredient product with a heftier price tag

That said PEScience is always actively looking for new, novel approaches. We won't release it until it's proven.
 
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I'm not going to make this a back and forth, but the reason I chimed is not because Ricky10 isn't happy with Alphamine. He has the right to be, as a PES customer, critical of whatever he wants.

What I wanted to challenge was his ridiculous notion that PES can make something globally compliant that is innovative and effective in the same way OG Alphamine was. They obviously would do that if they could, but it's not that simple/easy.
You have hit the nail on the head.

Many hardcore fans have said "why didn't you use this ingredient?" or "you should do what X/Y/Z company are doing".

In a large chunk of these instances, ingredient suggestions have been things that are not compliant (and the person clearly doesn't understand regulations by suggesting it) and company comparisons have been against smaller companies who currently have products which are not compliant. We had so many reasons to reformulate the product yet most people on here are completely unaware of the majority of them.

As we grow, our customer base grows.

As we grow, we attract more potential for lawsuits.

We are in the largest brick and mortar chains in America as well as sold on the largest online store in America. We are distributed in Europe, Canada and Australasia. We have to play by different rules than small companies who have non compliant ingredients and fly under the radar.

Some people may be upset and certain product changes and that is absolutely their right. When a company has a huge number of customers it is impossible to please them all.

Every single person who has voices their complaints to me in person ended up agreeing that the changes we made make total sense when I explained them all in detail.

When it comes to compliance and legalities it is difficult to discuss everything with total transparency on the forum (especially when people ask why we don't do the same as other companies who currently sell products we would never sell for a multitude of reasons) so people may assume that we made the change based solely on yohimbe but that is incorrect.

If any of you meet me at an expo, come and chat to me about it in detail and I will be happy to answer all questions in full.

In the interim, new Alphamine is selling better than ever. If you want to use it as an energy drink that has a very low cost per serving (84 servings per tub) you will be very pleased. :)
 
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Having recently bagged myself a tub of the European OG Alphamine I got round to trying a sample of the new formula which I received with my purchase! I must admit I LIKED IT!!! Flavour (sunrise) is on point, enough kick without giving jitters - nice and steady! No GI distress which I did get with the OG. I honestly didn't think I'd try the new formula due to it not being touted as a fat burner anymore! That being said, if you used Alphamine as a pre like I did/do, then the new A is just as good...maybe even better!!! bdcc if you have any other flavours to sample let me know
 
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Having recently bagged myself a tub of the European OG Alphamine I got round to trying a sample of the new formula which I received with my purchase! I must admit I LIKED IT!!! Flavour (sunrise) is on point, enough kick without giving jitters - nice and steady! No GI distress which I did get with the OG. I honestly didn't think I'd try the new formula due to it not being touted as a fat burner anymore! That being said, if you used Alphamine as a pre like I did/do, then the new A is just as good...maybe even better!!! bdcc if you have any other flavours to sample let me know
It is funny that you say this, I will explain why. :)

We all know how much preconceived beliefs can influence the perception of a product. For example the old European version of Alphamine had no yohimbe but we increased the doses of other ingredients to make them as comparable as possible. One UK customer complained about the lack of yohimbe (nothing we can do, we won't break the law) and when I asked if they would be able to tell the difference between the US and EU ones if they were blindfolded they said no. They just knew the EU one didn't have yohimbe so said it didn't feel the same despite admitting they couldn't actually tell the difference in feel.

When we first started testing the newer version of Alphamine we wanted to mimic the reason people bought the old one, a smooth feel good energy. I tested a version with caffeine and theanine expecting it to feel much weaker in terms of energy but I messaged the owner of the company saying that I was genuinely surprised how potent it felt.

This is why I don't miss yohimbe. It is a pain in the arse because it is only compliant in some countries and some people react terribly to it which isn't an attractive proposition when your customer base is as large as ours is now. The removal of HICA also allowed us to keep the pricing the same because the cost of it was going through the roof (many customers compare product costs and assume we are trying to improve profit margins but fail to take into consideration that if we carried on making the previous version their cost would have increased significantly, something that would have made buying it much less attractive as a proposition).

I am much happier having a product that feels similar, nobody reacts as badly to it as they can do with yohimbe and we can sell it pretty much globally. If someone desperately wants to use yohimbe then they have the choice of adding it themselves. The taste improvements also make a nice bonus. :)
 
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Having recently bagged myself a tub of the European OG Alphamine I got round to trying a sample of the new formula which I received with my purchase! I must admit I LIKED IT!!! Flavour (sunrise) is on point, enough kick without giving jitters - nice and steady! No GI distress which I did get with the OG. I honestly didn't think I'd try the new formula due to it not being touted as a fat burner anymore! That being said, if you used Alphamine as a pre like I did/do, then the new A is just as good...maybe even better!!! bdcc if you have any other flavours to sample let me know
P.S. the sample package you recently received wasn't generous enough? ;)
 
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It is funny that you say this, I will explain why. :)

We all know how much preconceived beliefs can influence the perception of a product. For example the old European version of Alphamine had no yohimbe but we increased the doses of other ingredients to make them as comparable as possible. One UK customer complained about the lack of yohimbe (nothing we can do, we won't break the law) and when I asked if they would be able to tell the difference between the US and EU ones if they were blindfolded they said no. They just knew the EU one didn't have yohimbe so said it didn't feel the same despite admitting they couldn't actually tell the difference in feel.

When we first started testing the newer version of Alphamine we wanted to mimic the reason people bought the old one, a smooth feel good energy. I tested a version with caffeine and theanine expecting it to feel much weaker in terms of energy but I messaged the owner of the company saying that I was genuinely surprised how potent it felt.

This is why I don't miss yohimbe. It is a pain in the arse because it is only compliant in some countries and some people react terribly to it which isn't an attractive proposition when your customer base is as large as ours is now. The removal of HICA also allowed us to keep the pricing the same because the cost of it was going through the roof (many customers compare product costs and assume we are trying to improve profit margins but fail to take into consideration that if we carried on making the previous version their cost would have increased significantly, something that would have made buying it much less attractive as a proposition).

I am much happier having a product that feels similar, nobody reacts as badly to it as they can do with yohimbe and we can sell it pretty much globally. If someone desperately wants to use yohimbe then they have the choice of adding it themselves. The taste improvements also make a nice bonus. :)
Please don't take this as a further attack on the current product...I am just curious,

Since PES saved so much money taking out just about all of the key players from the original formula, why didn't they at least use those savings to upgrade the choline bitartrate to CDP choline, possibly add in the Kola Nut extract that is in Norcodrene and definitely get rid of the l-leucine in favor of some l-tyrosine? I suspect this would still be globally compliant while making it look more attractive to all the fans... and I would venture to say more effective. The fact that the former version contained Yohimbe extract was not the reason I bought the product and I usually specifically buy products without Yohimbe, so I really don't care about that. I took it for the clean long lasting energy which is not obtained to a comparable level at all with the current version for me. Of course I realize the first in its class Yohimbe extract used in OG Alphamine played a part in that, but I feel as though a few tweaks here and there could make the difference.
 
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Please don't take this as a further attack on the current product...I am just curious,

Since PES saved so much money taking out just about all of the key players from the original formula, why didn't they at least use those savings to upgrade the choline bitartrate to CDP choline, possibly add in the Kola Nut extract that is in Norcodrene and definitely get rid of the l-leucine in favor of some l-tyrosine? I suspect this would still be globally compliant while making it look more attractive to all the fans... and I would venture to say more effective. The fact that the former version contained Yohimbe extract was not the reason I bought the product and I usually specifically buy products without Yohimbe, so I really don't care about that. I took it for the clean long lasting energy which is not obtained to a comparable level at all with the current version for me. Of course I realize the first in its class Yohimbe extract used in OG Alphamine played a part in that, but I feel as though a few tweaks here and there could make the difference.
This.

Also, if not that- why not change the name and the product description as a thermogenic?

Again, Alphamine= Alpha Yohimbe. The new version contains no Yohimbe. And it's about as much as a fat burner as Diet Pepsi.

I think people can respect that a product eventually needs to be designed to suit a larger customer base. And good things (the OG Alphamine) don't last forever.

I'm speculating, but I think that's where a lot of the frustration comes from.

Just making conversation.
 
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You have hit the nail on the head.

Many hardcore fans have said "why didn't you use this ingredient?" or "you should do what X/Y/Z company are doing".

In a large chunk of these instances, ingredient suggestions have been things that are not compliant (and the person clearly doesn't understand regulations by suggesting it) and company comparisons have been against smaller companies who currently have products which are not compliant. We had so many reasons to reformulate the product yet most people on here are completely unaware of the majority of them.

As we grow, our customer base grows.

As we grow, we attract more potential for lawsuits.

We are in the largest brick and mortar chains in America as well as sold on the largest online store in America. We are distributed in Europe, Canada and Australasia. We have to play by different rules than small companies who have non compliant ingredients and fly under the radar.

Some people may be upset and certain product changes and that is absolutely their right. When a company has a huge number of customers it is impossible to please them all.

Every single person who has voices their complaints to me in person ended up agreeing that the changes we made make total sense when I explained them all in detail.

When it comes to compliance and legalities it is difficult to discuss everything with total transparency on the forum (especially when people ask why we don't do the same as other companies who currently sell products we would never sell for a multitude of reasons) so people may assume that we made the change based solely on yohimbe but that is incorrect.

If any of you meet me at an expo, come and chat to me about it in detail and I will be happy to answer all questions in full.

In the interim, new Alphamine is selling better than ever. If you want to use it as an energy drink that has a very low cost per serving (84 servings per tub) you will be very pleased. :)
Such much info in this post that really has been overlooked by the majority of people still taking stabs over alphamine.

Like mentioned in the closing I'm still using it as I always have and intended and getting my money worth for sure. Blowing 4+ dollars a day on monsters and other expensive drinks just doesn't make sense when compared. Oh not to mention how superior the flavor is!
 
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I'm still spending money on Redbull, Kickstart, Monster etc.

It might be fine to throw in the towel and give it a try.
 
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Please don't take this as a further attack on the current product...I am just curious,

Since PES saved so much money taking out just about all of the key players from the original formula, why didn't they at least use those savings to upgrade the choline bitartrate to CDP choline, possibly add in the Kola Nut extract that is in Norcodrene and definitely get rid of the l-leucine in favor of some l-tyrosine? I suspect this would still be globally compliant while making it look more attractive to all the fans... and I would venture to say more effective. The fact that the former version contained Yohimbe extract was not the reason I bought the product and I usually specifically buy products without Yohimbe, so I really don't care about that. I took it for the clean long lasting energy which is not obtained to a comparable level at all with the current version for me. Of course I realize the first in its class Yohimbe extract used in OG Alphamine played a part in that, but I feel as though a few tweaks here and there could make the difference.
In case you missed it, Alphamine is selling at an all time high right now. So we feel the formula as is, is working just fine.

Again, this current version of Alphamine is more geared towards energy rather than fat burning. Does it have fat burning benefits, yes -- but not comparable to the old version, for obvious reasons. If someone wants yohimbine or alpha-y, buy it in bulk or caps, it is extremely cheap. And on top of that, in the near future, I bet you won't see yohimbine around.

This.

Also, if not that- why not change the name and the product description as a thermogenic?

Again, Alphamine= Alpha Yohimbe. The new version contains no Yohimbe. And it's about as much as a fat burner as Diet Pepsi.

I think people can respect that a product eventually needs to be designed to suit a larger customer base. And good things (the OG Alphamine) don't last forever.

I'm speculating, but I think that's where a lot of the frustration comes from.

Just making conversation.
Read above post in concerns to your comment on Alphamine being a fat burner.

As for the name, there is/was no need to change it. Plenty of products go under complete reconstruction to their formal and still use the same original product name.
 
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I'm still spending money on Redbull, Kickstart, Monster etc.

It might be fine to throw in the towel and give it a try.
Would be worth the saved money brother. :)

Sunrise is such a phenomenal flavor as well I would pick that up if I were you!
 
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This.

Also, if not that- why not change the name and the product description as a thermogenic?

Again, Alphamine= Alpha Yohimbe. The new version contains no Yohimbe. And it's about as much as a fat burner as Diet Pepsi.

I think people can respect that a product eventually needs to be designed to suit a larger customer base. And good things (the OG Alphamine) don't last forever.

I'm speculating, but I think that's where a lot of the frustration comes from.

Just making conversation.
Alphamine has never, ever been derived from alpha-yohimbe.

The product has never even contained alpha-yohimbe so I am not sure why you think that.

We used our own custom yohimbe extract, "SA2-A". "Alpha" was never in reference to alpha-yohimbe. :)
 
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Alphamine has never, ever been derived from alpha-yohimbe.

The product has never even contained alpha-yohimbe so I am not sure why you think that.

We used our own custom yohimbe extract, "SA2-A". "Alpha" was never in reference to alpha-yohimbe. :)
Our alpha label was far to alpha to be mixed up with this mumbo jumbo. I've heard about every theory there is on why we did the formula swap and why we kept the name the same. But in all actuality the product is being used by the majority of the masses just as it was before. As you mentioned it would be a bit far out to think we can keep everyone happy but I will say out of about 30 alphaholics I come into contact with on a daily basis almost all 30 are still slamming it down just as they always have.
 
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Please don't take this as a further attack on the current product...I am just curious,

Since PES saved so much money taking out just about all of the key players from the original formula, why didn't they at least use those savings to upgrade the choline bitartrate to CDP choline, possibly add in the Kola Nut extract that is in Norcodrene and definitely get rid of the l-leucine in favor of some l-tyrosine? I suspect this would still be globally compliant while making it look more attractive to all the fans... and I would venture to say more effective. The fact that the former version contained Yohimbe extract was not the reason I bought the product and I usually specifically buy products without Yohimbe, so I really don't care about that. I took it for the clean long lasting energy which is not obtained to a comparable level at all with the current version for me. Of course I realize the first in its class Yohimbe extract used in OG Alphamine played a part in that, but I feel as though a few tweaks here and there could make the difference.
Nobody has really answered this question yet. People just keep going back to bringing up the Yohimbe extract and stating how great current sales are. That is nice but what if they could be better! Anyway, I will just contact PES directly if I have anything else to say in that regard.

The fact that there is still a percentage of people that miss the old formula can't be denied. It will be interesting to see how long it takes before someone (Hi-Tech...haha!) attempts to make a clone. Problem is, they never seem to get it right...
 
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Nobody has really answered this question yet. People just keep going back to bringing up the Yohimbe extract and stating how great current sales are. That is nice but what if they could be better! Anyway, I will just contact PES directly if I have anything else to say in that regard.

The fact that there is still a percentage of people that miss the old formula can't be denied. It will be interesting to see how long it takes before someone (Hi-Tech...haha!) attempts to make a clone. Problem is, they never seem to get it right...
What's your question exactly? Why didn't we use a different form of choline and/other combination of ingredients? I answered this and the simple answer is, it's more geared towards energy now. That's it's main purpose and adding other ingredients for that wouldn't be necessary for its purpose. And with sales going how they are, I think the consumers would agree.

And yes, it cant be denied that a small number of forum members are upset about the change, but the percent of consumers through forums is very minuscule for Alphamine purchases.
 
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What's your question exactly? Why didn't we use a different form of choline and/other combination of ingredients? I answered this and the simple answer is, it's more geared towards energy now. That's it's main purpose and adding other ingredients for that wouldn't be necessary for its purpose. And with sales going how they are, I think the consumers would agree.

And yes, it cant be denied that a small number of forum members are upset about the change, but the percent of consumers through forums is very minuscule for Alphamine purchases.
Everyone will have their preferences but thinking we should have formulated exactly how a certain individual saw fit just isn't something logical. Especially when people aren't seeing the breakdown of costs for each individual ingredient they list off. In the big picture I'm confident Josh did enough research and product testing to give us a perfect product at an affordable price.
 
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My RL alphamine is back in Stock at the LTL household. I'm holding it saying "my precious". Why I ever allow my alphamine shelf to go empty of RL is anyone's guess but every time it's an instant regret!
 

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Hi guys, I managed to get myself a tub of OG Alphamine Strawberry Piña Colada and tried it today for the first time. First reaction: it tastes so good that I would take it even without water! Loved it.

Question is, I know the product is 'old' although it is not expired. Nevertheless the powder has some darker lumps at the top. Scratching down it is all pink and nice looking but at the topic there are some darker, fatter grams of product. Please use your imagination when reading as not being english my mother tongue I do not know the exact word. I assume it is sole kind of moisture. But unsure whether this is an issue at all or if this is simply normal.

Would anyone be able to confirm?

Thanks in advance!!!
 
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^ with a powder product that old this is common. Take a fork to bigger clumps but rest assured that the product will work the same even if clumped in the tub.

It may take an additional few seconds of shaking to dissolve into your shaker but that's all

Hope you enjoy!

Sidenote- reformulated alphamine SPC still tastes just like that one you're enjoying so if you end up an Alphaholic you can get more
 

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Thanks for the prompt response, looks like this is 'normal'/acceptable for a powder product that has been stored for a long period. Is slighly darker and thicker but seems to be fine. I am really looking forward to use it tomorrow before my training.

I will for sure be tasting the new formula too as clearly the taste is top!
 
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Might pick up some of this for my EC. Maybe. Zero call monsters and coffee are getting to expensive.

Anyone who wants to unload some Alphamine OG, can PM me please. This is what I really want.been on the hunt for any online retailers that still have itm
 
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Who enjoyed some Margarita alphamine on this holiday?
 
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Who enjoyed some Margarita alphamine on this holiday?
Not sure about the Margarita flavor, but my raspberry lemonade makes for quite a tasty mixer.

1 scoop also works out nicely as a flavor booster in my other amino acid drinks!
 
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Not sure about the Margarita flavor, but my raspberry lemonade makes for quite a tasty mixer.

1 scoop also works out nicely as a flavor booster in my other amino acid drinks!
I actually got lucky and a coworker had some Margarita flavored alphamine right now. Had to have a scoop on Cinco DE mayo. I didn't plan well enough for it but got bailed out! Lol

Raspberry lemonade is my go to so I feel ya there.
 
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If i could keep pressing the heart icon on this comment id keep pressing over and over and over again till im about to close my eyes to fall asleep.


Infact, bring the WHOLE DAMN old line period! Like a sub side product line for those who would buy all the old stuff before the many reformulations. Cant send it over seas? Fine, leave your old underground line for us here in the US like the old days.

I GUARANTEE more people would lose their **** and buy that old line of products more than the new stuff.
 
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Bring back the old Alphamine!
Yeah man that stuff was what truly got us hooked.... This new alphamine isn't the same. What's happening to all the good supps we used to have ?
 
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There are other products out there now that could have that effect. But for me personally, PES started it all.
 
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This was from another thread so worth pasting it into here as well;

A question to PES reps. May be Ben could chime in on this.

How's the sales for Alphamine so far after the change of formula? If indeed the reason was to target the larger crowd by changing the formula to an "energy" like drink, how's the sale after almost a year now compared to the OG?
There were many, many reasons we decided to reformulate. One of which was removing yohimbe as it is a very problematic ingredient (diverse bioavailability, high risk of side effects which is an issue when your customer base becomes larger and larger). After removing yohimbe, coming up with a compliant stimulant which has human data on fat loss is nearly impossible. As you well know, many companies have "fat loss" formulas which use ingredients with no actual fat loss data (long term human data which actually measures body composition rather than a single surrogate biomarker).

Also, calling it a fat loss powder is tricky from a marketing perspective because people trying to gain weight thought that they shouldn't use Alphamine, despite using pre workouts which shared the same ingredients (viewing one as a fat loss powder which wasn't conducive to their bulking goals and viewing the other as a pre workout which is fine for them to use).

Some people hate that we changed it but there are so many factors that went into the product change that they simply don't consider. These include safety, compliance, marketing, sales trends and global availability. We viewed it as an intellectually honest way of selling the product because we didn't want to follow the trend of calling something a fat loss powder if the ingredients we used only had a tenuous link to fat loss. Therefore it made sense to rebrand it completely and call it an energy drink and let customers use it as they wish.

Since we reformulated it, sales of Alphamine have gone up significantly, not just in other countries which are now able to use the same formula that we sell in the US but also in America as well. :)
 
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This was from another thread so worth pasting it into here as well;
Well I say boo to that... Sales aren't everything. Well perhaps to the company but I prefer the better product over numbers. I did just buy some ABE though
 
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Well I say boo to that... Sales aren't everything. Well perhaps to the company but I prefer the better product over numbers. I did just buy some ABE though
I discussed sales because he asked about sales.

As discussed above, the decision to reformulate it was multifactorial. :)
 
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Shakes head.

Im sorry. Just not buying it.

But god knows i already spent a couple years complaining like so many others.

With other companies using all the ingredients that PES got rid of and having GREAT success, ill never understand.

Im gonna venture to say that there is SO MUCH MORE involved here than the rather over the head "simple" reasons given. Thats why ive moved on.

For me, watching you guys change into what you changed into was like watching your only child turn into a drug addict bum after having a promising education with a full ride to a stellar university and career and great beautiful girlfriend and perfect up and coming life.

Gave it all up for a dirty quick fix.

But like many of my past bitching complaints, this one will probably ALSO be deleted.
 
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Plus more sales literally means more customers happy, pleasing the majority.

Pleasing a minority and leaving out the majority would be how to kill a business.

Energy drinks are a colossal market and this reformulated Alphamine brings the lowest price point on that market. I'm saving a good amount monthly. Plus customizable dosing with it being powdered.

Was a smart move, and Norcodrene is still there for those wanting a fat loss aid instead

This is very old news though guys, instead of dwelling on this be excited for what will come next, I'm sure PEScience will tackle a new burner once we have more proven and compliant ingredient options
 
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Shakes head.

Im sorry. Just not buying it.

But god knows i already spent a couple years complaining like so many others.

With other companies using all the ingredients that PES got rid of and having GREAT success, ill never understand.

Im gonna venture to say that there is SO MUCH MORE involved here than the rather over the head "simple" reasons given. Thats why ive moved on.

For me, watching you guys change into what you changed into was like watching your only child turn into a drug addict bum after having a promising education with a full ride to a stellar university and career and great beautiful girlfriend and perfect up and coming life.

Gave it all up for a dirty quick fix.

But like many of my past bitching complaints, this one will probably ALSO be deleted.
I mean this with the utmost respect because I value your opinion and the opinion of all our customers.

You don't have to buy what I am telling you.

It is still the truth.

We had to change the product because yohimbe is our most complained about ingredient, ever.

This inevitable reformulation comes with more factors than you or anyone else on this forum realises. When talking to industry insiders at expos I can literally take 10 minutes explaining why we did what we did and so far not a single person has still complained at the end of it, even those who were very critical of our change before we spoke.

I have been as honest and as transparent as I can be on a forum. Whether you believe it or not is down to you but everything I say is truthful. :)
 
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Plus more sales literally means more customers happy, pleasing the majority.

Pleasing a minority and leaving out the majority would be how to kill a business.

Energy drinks are a colossal market and this reformulated Alphamine brings the lowest price point on that market. I'm saving a good amount monthly. Plus customizable dosing with it being powdered.

Was a smart move, and Norcodrene is still there for those wanting a fat loss aid instead

This is very old news though guys, instead of dwelling on this be excited for what will come next, I'm sure PEScience will tackle a new burner once we have more proven and compliant ingredient options

Come on brah... and there you have it a low price point in a competing Market will surely bring in more sales. You can't please everyone and this is pes today. That's reality I accept it
 
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I mean this with the utmost respect because I value your opinion and the opinion of all our customers.

You don't have to buy what I am telling you.

It is still the truth.

We had to change the product because yohimbe is our most complained about ingredient, ever.

This inevitable reformulation comes with more factors than you or anyone else on this forum realises. When talking to industry insiders at expos I can literally take 10 minutes explaining why we did what we did and so far not a single person has still complained at the end of it, even those who were very critical of our change before we spoke.

I have been as honest and as transparent as I can be on a forum. Whether you believe it or not is down to you but everything I say is truthful. :)
Ok ill bite on this. Afterall it wont change anything, I know I've tried. God knows...

But my question is and probably along with many others on here: Why NOT make a SIDE LINE in house of the OLD OG stuff for those like myself that loved and cherished them? Cause i can assure you id spend my money on the old stuff rather than the new stuff.

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Anabeta Elite with androsten.

Erase pro with arimistane.

Alphamine with all those amazing ingredients (with probably the exception of aegeline) cause its banned....apparently.

Alpha-T2 ah yes...

And for christs sake, bring back the yellow and green old Norcodren.

You guys dont have to make lots of it just so you can see if it sells well so no money lost.

Im 98.9% sure THEY'LL SELL.
 
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Ok ill bite on this. Afterall it wont change anything, I know I've tried. God knows...

But my question is and probably along with many others on here: Why NOT make a SIDE LINE in house of the OLD OG stuff for those like myself that loved and cherished them? Cause i can assure you id spend my money on the old stuff rather than the new stuff.

Original:
Anabeta Elite with androsten.

Erase pro with arimistane.

Alphamine with all those amazing ingredients (with probably the exception of aegeline) cause its banned....apparently.

Alpha-T2 ah yes...

And for christs sake, bring back the yellow and green old Norcodren.

You guys dont have to make lots of it just so you can see if it sells well so no money lost.

Im 98.9% sure THEY'LL SELL.
Compliance.

If we manufacture something non compliant under another company, it is still us.

A lot has changed to the industry in the last few years and some things we used to sell are simply no longer feasible.
 
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What is non compliant? Everything you guys used to use to formulate your products with were safe and normal. The only thing i can think of that i guess you guys HAD to stop putting in a supplement was aegeline.

You see these crazy strong backed by science ingredients in products everyone else is putting in their supplements and going strong? Im sorry, i just dont get it. Its like you guys had gotten a REALLY damaging audit in the past.
 
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I guess i wont ever understand. But thats ok. It just saddens me.

I had so much confidence in the company back when i started using them. It was so easy as a go to company to run to when it was time to get serious and in check. And get fast results.
 

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