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I think it's important to get out of your comfort zone. When you talk about listening to your body - what are you listening for if you never push it?
Well, maybe in the future, who knows. I think I'm good for this run though, so I'll see how it goes and use the results to learn more and make this decision all over again next time. I'm off to bed... goodnight everyone.I think it's important to get out of your comfort zone. When you talk about listening to your body - what are you listening for if you never push it?
Awesome. You've obviously thought it all through & I cannot fault your logic. You know what works for you based on experience & can plan your cycle for best value vs results. Thanks for taking the time to answer my Q's, your doing so may help others reading this thread & contemplating a similar cycle :bigok:These are all good questions! Most of it comes down to personal preference and completely unfounded hypotheses...
Absolutely true, no one has ever shown that either strategy is better than the other, but at the very least, split dosing is also not any worse. I don't feel like split dosing is a nuisance, and I have no problem remembering to take it, so why not? Someone did post some nice graphs a while back, I think maybe in this thread, that showed when all the math was done that while the same overall average blood saturation was reached both ways in the same amount of time, split dosing kept the level more stable with less dramatic peaks and valleys.
Again, not saying there's any proven benefit to more stable levels, but I like the idea and it may even give me a nice placebo effect! I also like to think that splitting it gives me better absorption, which results in more good placebo effect. If there's a strong argument against split dosing besides just plain convenience, I haven't heard it, but I'm always open to being corrected.
20mg is the sweet spot for me. 25mg may give a slightly stronger effect, but to me it's not worth the increased sides. I'm big on cost/benefit analysis. Everyone has their own personal philosophy with this stuff, and for me I'm not one who goes after gains at any cost. I would rather end up with a little less gains if it means a lot less sides and an easier recovery, which is why SARMs were such a godsend for me.
sanmarino has done some nice write ups on this idea... like if you rate the benefits and sides on an arbitrary scale of 1-10... Something like if 20mg gives an 8/10 benefit with 2/10 sides, while 25mg gives a 10/10 effect with 7/10 sides, you then have to decide if that extra 5/10 sides is really worth the 2/10 better effect. He said it better. Anyway, in my previous cycles I've experimented with doses as low as 10mg and as high as 25mg, and 20mg is where I feel I strike the best balance before the side effect curve starts outpacing the benefits. I'm also only 5'8 180lbs, so for someone who's 200+ they might be able to handle more.
It is OL. Two reasons... first, in my previous RAD experience, the best benefits seemed to come in the first two weeks, starting to plateau a bit in week 3, and by week 4 the sides and lethargy started to kick in. Again with the cost/benefit analysis, I didn't feel like the 4th week was worth the trouble. Based on how quickly the rad started working its magic, and given that it seemed like it would be best used for very short cycles, I thought it might be best used as a kick start at the front of a cycle with another compound that takes longer to get going. So this is less a full on RAD+osta stack, and more of an osta cycle with a RAD kickstart. Dma's early solo log showed a similar result that backed up my own experience.
Then again, in that cycle I had done the reverse, where I started with osta and added the rad at the end, so the 4th week of rad was really the 8th and final week of the entire cycle.. Maybe doing it this way will yield a different experience with sides. We'll see! Experimenting to find the best way to use these compounds is part of the fun.
Second, while I did stock up on quite a bit of rad during the blowout sale, as far as I can tell right now, it's a finite quantity and when it's gone, it's gone maybe forever. By stopping after 3 weeks, I'm in theory getting the best part of the cycle and saving 25% for down the line. And by the time I stop the rad, the osta should really be in full effect at about that same point, and on through the remaining weeks.
Can you mention some of these products in the pipeline? Are they SARMS or PS/DS?.....tons are coming out with lots of promise![]()
I severely doubt we will see any new sarms coming outCan you mention some of these products in the pipeline? Are they SARMS or PS/DS?
:rant2:The sooner SARMs disappear and this thread dies the better.
Sorry yates84 but it's true lol.
Maybe not in the US, but what about Europe, China, India? Is the UK going to be a dumping ground for all of the unsold US market SARMs?I severely doubt we will see any new sarms coming out
It certainly would be nice to someday see studies on this. Then it turns out that the sweet spot is something like 21.3mg, so if you did 20mg you're going to feel like "crap, I was so close" and if you did 25mg you're going to be "crap, I wasted all those mgs". :lol:2 weeks. I also didn't notice any let down at all when I dropped back to 20.
All of this is entirely subjective and anecdotal. There's never going to be any scientific studies large enough to really show the quantitative benefit of 20 vs 25, so that's all I have to go by.
Perhaps not in the US, but I've been incontact with an owner and he stated that their will be new compounds coming out. I've been using his products on and off for the past 10 months with good results. I asked for any clues on what he is working on but wouldn't say. For me the beauty of it is SARMS are they're still available with no issues in getting them, with next day shipping to house instead of waiting weeks sometimes from the US.I severely doubt we will see any new sarms coming out
Interested to see what he comes up with.Perhaps not in the US, but I've been incontact with an owner and he stated that their will be new compounds coming out. I've been using his products on and off for the past 10 months with good results. I asked for any clues on what he is working on but wouldn't say. For me the beauty of it is SARMS are they're still available with no issues in getting them, with next day shipping to house instead of waiting weeks sometimes from the US.
UncleSarm Nice name but I can't say at this time. Sorry.
I'll keep everyone updated with anything new that comes up and as much info as possible.Interested to see what he comes up with.
This happened to me during pct after my first osta cycle. Was a week into clomid. Hormones, man. Is he on anything else, or just solo?anybody get night sweats on osta? My buddy is on 20mg (worked his way up to 20mg) and he woke up in a pool of sweat the other night.
I didnt have night sweats, but heavy sweating during workout.anybody get night sweats on osta? My buddy is on 20mg (worked his way up to 20mg) and he woke up in a pool of sweat the other night.
only ostar1ne and dermacrine. I am guessing that is because it has kicked in all the way.This happened to me during pct after my first osta cycle. Was a week into clomid. Hormones, man. Is he on anything else, or just solo?
Here is the info, with graphs:Looking for valid info. on why it is good to run Radarine on cycle with steroids. Thanks
That would be cool. The carderine should help your endurance pick up a little bit. Once you start it you might as well run it the rest of your cycle.I'm on week 1 with LGD and doing a higher volume workout routine. Until the LGD really kicks in, would it be wise to add some Cardar1ne in to help with endurance for a week or two? I find myself needing a lot of rest to recover from the volume I'm currently doing.
I would bump it up to 8mg, this is where you will really start to see some good effects.So I'm a week into LGD/MK-677 with some Cardar1ne thrown in. I'm felt really good during my workout today and from what I can tell I'm tolerating the LGD well enough. It's a night/day difference between doing a similar workout last week compared to today. Should I stick with 4mg for another week or bump it to 8mg a week early?
5 days in to FN MK at 10mg. Sleep has been awful so far, taking pre-bed. Hunger is starting to kick in now.I've been on 10mg LGD/ED and 20mg mk-677 for 14 days, only results so far is increased hunger, has anyone tried anything by focused nutrition before? starting to wonder if this stuff is legit.
Opinions on bridging a 8 week LGD cycle into Halodrol? Got some OL Halo-100 staring at me.
I don't see a problem with that as long as support supps and pct are on point. Running 6 weeks of halo?Opinions on bridging a 8 week LGD cycle into Halodrol? Got some OL Halo-100 staring at me.
Okey cool! Have some cycle support on the way, pct will be 4-6 weeks nolva. Have aromasin on hand but I probably wont need it on Halo? Yeah I was thinking 6 weeks: 50/75/75/75/75/75. Because 4 or 5 weeks wont give much from what I've heard?I don't see a problem with that as long as support supps and pct are on point. Running 6 weeks of halo?
6 weeks is perfect, that's what I would do.Okey cool! Have some cycle support on the way, pct will be 4-6 weeks nolva. Have aromasin on hand but I probably wont need it on Halo? Yeah I was thinking 6 weeks: 50/75/75/75/75/75. Because 4 or 5 weeks wont give much from what I've heard?
Nevermind I used this magic thing called GoogleCan you run LGD at 4mg for 12 weeks or would it be better to run 6-8 weeks?
Sounds amazingAnamorelin - heres one your going to have to add to the list. saw a post on the forum and did a little reading- phase III and if/when it comes out for research, well it should be pretty interesting
Feel free to post any details you have about it.Anamorelin - heres one your going to have to add to the list. saw a post on the forum and did a little reading- phase III and if/when it comes out for research, well it should be pretty interesting
Anamorelin - heres one your going to have to add to the list. saw a post on the forum and did a little reading- phase III and if/when it comes out for research, well it should be pretty interesting
Not about anamorelin (ono7643) specifically, but a good read. Mentions it in the final section. Definitely sounds like it's at least as good as mk677 for our purposes, if not better.Feel free to post any details you have about it.
It gets better. Give it a couple weeks5 days in to FN MK at 10mg. Sleep has been awful so far, taking pre-bed. Hunger is starting to kick in now.
Looks like they both bind with a high affinity so we might be able to draw the conclusion that they are both close in effectiveness.Not about anamorelin (ono7643) specifically, but a good read. Mentions it in the final section. Definitely sounds like it's at least as good as mk677 for our purposes, if not better.
https://juicedmuscle.com/jmblog/content/growth-hormone-secratogogues-specifically-mk-0677
edit to add:
Found this too... a little bit beyond me, but this references a competition assay that directly tested mk677 vs ono7643 for receptor binding affinity. Not sure I'm interpreting it right, but I think this means that when both compounds are administered, the ono7643 is favored? Anyone with more scientific background care to take a stab at this one?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK92434/
its very interesting read, almost like deciphering the Matrix!Not about anamorelin (ono7643) specifically, but a good read. Mentions it in the final section. Definitely sounds like it's at least as good as mk677 for our purposes, if not better.
https://juicedmuscle.com/jmblog/content/growth-hormone-secratogogues-specifically-mk-0677
edit to add:
Found this too... a little bit beyond me, but this references a competition assay that directly tested mk677 vs ono7643 for receptor binding affinity. Not sure I'm interpreting it right, but I think this means that when both compounds are administered, the ono7643 is favored? Anyone with more scientific background care to take a stab at this one?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK92434/
Haha whoops. That is actually the link I meant to include, and is the source of the quote. The one I included accidentally was from me trying to figure out how a competition assay works. Will fix. Thanks!its very interesting read, almost like deciphering the Matrix!
heres a little more, to add onto dronk's link
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4248409/
I came across a vague comment on reddit that anecdotally said there was less water retention on the anamorelin.They seem very similar, I wonder about water retention with it. Seems like i retain a lil more water on MK-677. I just emailed my source to ask if he has this on his plate for 2016. I'll let you guys know if I get confirmation or new of other sarms near future.
I was hoping for this, thanks for the info. I'd personally it results were very similar go without the extra water depending on price etc. Now with less water retention joint improvement might not be same.I came across a vague comment on reddit that anecdotally said there was less water retention on the anamorelin.
https://www.reddit.com/r/PEDs/comments/3v47az/using_ghrp6_for_competitive_eating/?
you could have Cortisol issues my manI'm about 4 weeks into my 8mg LGD / 20mg MK-677 cycle and I'm using a base of dermacrine and epiandro, I'm combating the lethargy fine and my libido is high....my young dick does not seem to be working properly. The first time I screwed my girl yesterday, it took me forever to nut and the second time I wasn't able to nut at all and could barely keep it up halfway through.
Any idea what's going on? I looked into getting some dermatr3st as a base but that sh!t is sold out everywhere and I know it's discontinued. This is a pretty big issue - I don't want to have to cut the cycle early
Hmm, I had never considered this as a possibility. I AM training westside and continued to train/max out while I had the flu - I got a cold sore recently which certainly suggests that I've been putting too much stress on my body. My previous best 10RM deadlift was somewhere around 335 and I hit 2x10 of 365 on Thursday - even though I was about to throw up halfway through.you could have Cortisol issues my man
this one can go a lot of ways here, but vit C, b; higher amounts of B5 over B6 & B12 but a good complex is fine and omega 3's are helpful. as far as what is the name of product X that will do this, hate to get into a well this one is better than that one. imo, good daily vit with the above add in C and the omega'sHmm, I had never considered this as a possibility. I AM training westside and continued to train/max out while I had the flu - I got a cold sore recently which certainly suggests that I've been putting too much stress on my body. My previous best 10RM deadlift was somewhere around 335 and I hit 2x10 of 365 on Thursday - even though I was about to throw up halfway through.
I'll look into some cortisol control. Any suggestions?