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EvoMuse MyoSynergy

propho said:
I was just about to order Follidrone but I've never tried Black Lion Labs products.. I may still try it down the road but I'm sticking with my favorite brand.. Myosynergy here I come! .. now to figure out how I can order it without getting beat down by the wife .. unlike most people getting money back, we owe ~7g's this tax season :headache:
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Ouch...that's a harsh hit.
 
dsade said:
Again, I disagree with your assessment. Complementary pathways are important for ideal results and generally single ingredients are not ideal. That doesn't mean there is a lack of confidence in that ingredient, just that the best results come from a more comprehensive formula.
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Understood
 
Ughh I wish you guys would have email blasted this sooner, I ordered Follidrone earlier this week, not even knowing about this :(
 
thelast10 said:
Ughh I wish you guys would have email blasted this sooner, I ordered Follidrone earlier this week, not even knowing about this :(
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Don't worry brother...we are with you for the long haul.
 
thelast10 said:
No crazy price spike? I'm new to nutraplanet, don't know how much cheaper % wise the pre-sales ussually are
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It will probably go up about $6 or so, but we always run sales.
 
Just read the writeup and couple threads about MyoSynergy.... wow I'm damn pumped to try this. Sleephoria and Gut Health have treated me well so this should ad well. Seems like an incredibly versatile supp to stack with.. my two thoughts immediately are Xgels and Anabeta Elite.

-Matt
 
thelast10 said:
Bump on this question, also how long was the duration on the administered dose?
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Which ingredient, in particular, are you asking about?
 
thelast10 said:
The ep.?
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There were two main experiments in the (-)epi/myostatin/follistatin study - mice and humans.

The mouse study used 1mg/kg twice per day orally. The mice were treated for 2 weeks.

"recognized modulators of SkM growth (myostatin, follistatin) [8], senescenceassociated
β-galactosidase (SA-β-Gal) [9] and myogenic differentiation
(myogenin, MyoD, MEF2A, Myf5) [10] and report on the effects of Epi treatment
in young (6 month old, n=5/group) and old (26 month, n=5/group) C57BL/6 male
mice. For these studies, quadriceps muscle samples were obtained from mice
treated for 2 weeks with either vehicle by gavage (water) or Epi (1 mg/kg BID)
and immediately frozen. Studies in animals were approved by UCSD’s IACUC.
Human studies. Frozen, quadriceps SkM samples were obtained from a human
biopsy tissue bank and were used to compare the same markers as above, in
normal young (28.5±7 years, n=6) vs. old (62±2 years, n=6) subjects. An initial,
pilot study was also performed in human subjects (n=6, average age 41±5 years
and weight 77.4±7.7 Kg) to assess the effects of Epi treatment on muscle
strength and plasma levels of myostatin and follistatin. Plasma myostatin and
follistatin levels can change in association with those in muscle in response to,
for example, exercise [11,12] and were thus, used as a surrogate for possible
responses occurring in SkM. Human subjects were treated for 7 days with 25 mg
of pure Epi (Sigma-Aldrich) provided in capsules BID (~1 mg/kg/day)."

The human portion used 25mg twice per day and dramatic results were obtained after 7 days.

Trying to figure out how to host the full study .pdf for you guys.
 
thelast10 said:
So 100mg/day unless your like 400+lbs should be sufficient then rite? If they only used 25mg in the Human studies?
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25mg twice per day.

I don't know the relationship between overall human body size and Follistatin:myostatin ratio, but we calculated that 90mg (100mg of 90% (-)epi was sufficient.
 
dsade said:
25mg twice per day.

I don't know the relationship between overall human body size and Follistatin:myostatin ratio, but we calculated that 90mg (100mg of 90% (-)epi was sufficient.
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Has there been any information regarding the best way & time/s to take it? Also duration, and time in between cycling if cycling it is indeed the way to go?
 
thelast10 said:
Has there been any information regarding the best way & time/s to take it? Also duration, and time in between cycling if cycling it is indeed the way to go?
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We're recommending single dose before workout.

The approach for MyoSynergy is to tilt the balance towards anti-catabolism/anabolism rather than try to overwhelm the homeostatic systems. It's designed for long-term use, so at this time we don't see a need to cycle. it.
 
Does it matter if you take it with or without food? (Sorry if I didn't make that question more clear above) I am just very OCD when it comes to things like this lol
 
thelast10 said:
Does it matter if you take it with or without food? (Sorry if I didn't make that question more clear above) I am just very OCD when it comes to things like this lol
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It's not essential that you take it with food.
 
Probably been said, but with all the ridiculous claims that that other company is making about their (-)- Epicatechin product, what is a realistic expectation for someone who runs this to have?

Thanks
 
warbird01 said:
Probably been said, but with all the ridiculous claims that that other company is making about their (-)- Epicatechin product, what is a realistic expectation for someone who runs this to have?

Thanks
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I won't be making dramatic claims for this. Again, we are simply saying that the product is going to influence the balance of anabolic/anti-catabolic pathways in favor of increasing growth. The product will shift your natural homeostatic levels and enable you to carry more muscle and develop more strength than you can under non-supplemented conditions.

As well, this product should amplify the effects of anabolics (ph, gear) and allow for a breaking of plateaus.

Individual results are likely to vary widely and depend on anabolic experience, training style-intensity, diet/nutrition, and all of the factors you would normally expect to contribute to muscle growth.
 
Ordered mine through NP and it's "scheduled" to ship either tomorrow or Friday but I'm not in a hurry as I'm currently using their competitor's product (Follidrone).
 
UPS made a huge screwup, but yeah direct orders are going. Throwing in extra stuff for everyone.
 
domore said:
Joint soreness? Can you elaborate?
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I think he's asking if joint soreness may become more of an issue while using this.

It is usually mentioned as a possibility from endurance boosters that can increase training volume. (Like COP)

My assumption, as none of the ingredients would cause joint soreness that I know of
 
Salute to dsade in this difficult time , Glad u found that mishap and doing what u need to do to fix it Shows how great evomuse is
 
I ordered a double batch of materials last week. They should be here late next week, and I have paid a rush fee to my other production facility to get a new batch out. Should have more stock within 3 weeks.
 
dsade said:
We're recommending single dose before workout.

The approach for MyoSynergy is to tilt the balance towards anti-catabolism/anabolism rather than try to overwhelm the homeostatic systems. It's designed for long-term use, so at this time we don't see a need to cycle. it.
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Do you recommend dosing on non-WO days? If so, how should it be dosed then?

Also, when you say a single dose, PWO, do you recommend dosing it directly PWO with PWO drink, or slightly earlier (or a few hours earlier with PWO meal)?

Thanks!
 
tyrub42 said:
Do you recommend dosing on non-WO days? If so, how should it be dosed then? Also, when you say a single dose, PWO, do you recommend dosing it directly PWO with PWO drink, or slightly earlier (or a few hours earlier with PWO meal)? Thanks!
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Be sure to dose it everyday, including non-workout days. I prefer to take those doses upon waking.

In regards to the workout day dose, take the full dosage about an hour before your workout.
 
donk said:
So got my nutraplanet order finally. ordered1 bottle got 2. So this the 1/2 str stuff?
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Got my order the other day too from NP. Also received 2 bottles. It's the 1/2 stuff so I believe we are to take 7 pills as opposed to 5 AND between both bottles, the cycle should last at least 40 days.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks.
 
Been using this for right around a week now, but was just coming off a cycle, so couldn't really attribute anything to it in those first few days. I've been out of the gym since Wednesday for travel and will have my first workout of PCT (Day 5 of PCT), this evening. I'll be sure to add anything I find.

What I can say is that since stopping my cycle (which also included ceasing the use of my GW), I've maintained weight and still am just as vascular as I was/have been and still have some very great definitiion -- and that's with 4 days out of the gym and not eating my typical stricter diet (strict in the sense that I prep 90% of all my meals and control what I take in, whereas on vacation I was eating out or at the hotel for most of it).
 
Someone asked about joint issues - I haven't experienced any. I have a nagging thing with my right wrist and it hasn't gotten worse, and nothing new to speak of. Soreness and hunger are markedly higher, however.
 
For anyone interested in following my log, here is my latest entry:

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MidwestBeast said:
I've been on it long enough to confidently say I love it. Definite increase in muscle hardness and fullness during workouts. It's very noticeable to me now after being off cycle for 2 weeks.

I've been using ArA continuously preworkout at 1g for a few months now and that's the only other thing that would be really playing a role, but these observations were not there pre-cycle when I was just using ArA.

Beyond that I'm using some fat burning products but only things that could possibly influence strength would be Test Infusion, Methyl EAA and Forma, but I've used all before and never experienced this. So I feel like it's obvious.
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I think I'm going to keep a minilog myself. Matt was kind enough to hook me up with myosynergy, virile mane enhanced, a freaking awesome evomuse t-shirt, and even b12 strips (how did you know I have intrinsic factor issues? :D). I will use myosynergy solo first then experiment with the addition of amentoflavone and cistanche deserticola, which both appear to complement the formula quite nicely
 
mr.cooper69 said:
I think I'm going to keep a minilog myself. Matt was kind enough to hook me up with myosynergy, virile mane enhanced, a freaking awesome evomuse t-shirt, and even b12 strips (how did you know I have intrinsic factor issues? :D). I will use myosynergy solo first then experiment with the addition of amentoflavone and cistanche deserticola, which both appear to complement the formula quite nicely
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Was thinking on the exact same wave length. I was contemplating Amentomax and AnaBeta Elite with my MyoSynergy next, but I do need to try out Cistamax as well. :o
 
mr.cooper69 said:
I think I'm going to keep a minilog myself. Matt was kind enough to hook me up with myosynergy, virile mane enhanced, a freaking awesome evomuse t-shirt, and even b12 strips (how did you know I have intrinsic factor issues? :D). I will use myosynergy solo first then experiment with the addition of amentoflavone and cistanche deserticola, which both appear to complement the formula quite nicely
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You know I'll be following, buddy :)
 
Four_Stroke said:
Dang it. I just went to buy a few more packs of MyoSynergy, Evomuse store is out and Nutraplanet raised the price!
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Sorry...ran out of shirts. There are 25 more pouches. Inventory adjusted.
 
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