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Evening pre-workout that won't screw with my sleep 2-3 hours l8r?

Gator762

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With work and family life, I can't workout until later in the evening. That also means I must go to be 2-3 hours after I start.

I think I've been consuming way too much caffeine, I'm waking up dead tired despite having 7-8 hours sleep. I've been falling into the cycle of needing it to get through the day, and for any chance of getting a workout in. But I'm drinking 700mg+ a day, and a lot past 3PM, so it's probably messing with my sleep. I'm going to try to cut that back to 200-300 mg.

Right now I'm taking Anadraulic State GT, but my tolerance to caffeine must be high, because if I only take 1 or 2 scoops of that I feel like I can go to bed afterward. I weigh 170.
 
I will reccomend HEMAVOL, being its stim free and the pump i get off of it is awesome..

Focus XT Stim Free seems to get good reviews

.They are different..One is nootropics and the other is for pumps,so find which will fit u best.
 
A non-stim is a good choice..

If you are needing a burst of energy then I suggest...

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The quick oats will give you a quick energy boost.
 
I would reccomend Hemavol and maybe Caffiene Free Focus XT. Whatever the case it seems you need to cycle off stims for a bit. Drinkin these before you lift, although not stimmed, could likely give the same psychological effect letting your body know its time to perk up and that some clanging and banging is soon to follow
 
Hemavol IMO.. hands down one of the best non-stim pre-workouts available with tons of great solid reviews. Vasodilates plus increases plasma volumes, can't get much better.

Mike
 
criticalbench said:
Hemavol IMO.. hands down one of the best non-stim pre-workouts available with tons of great solid reviews. Vasodilates plus increases plasma volumes, can't get much better.

Mike
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^this, took the words right out of my mouth
 
Already some good suggestions going on in here, so I'll just toss out a couple I like as well.

Protocol, Ultima, Hemavol and Clout are all great and what I typically use at different times.
 
bolt10 said:
Already some good suggestions going on in here, so I'll just toss out a couple I like as well.

Protocol, Ultima, Hemavol and Clout are all great and what I typically use at different times.
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Clout is another I forgot. Awesome stuff I need to run it again it has been awhile
 
well since youre gonna have to avoid stims, its gonna be almost pointless to even take one. if you want a pump still, just buy bulk agmatine and eat some carbs with it an hour before working out. no need to spend money on these stim free preworkouts since a pump is all youre really looking for
 
ThunderHumper said:
well since youre gonna have to avoid stims, its gonna be almost pointless to even take one. if you want a pump still, just buy bulk agmatine and eat some carbs with it an hour before working out. no need to spend money on these stim free preworkouts since a pump is all youre really looking for
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Many of the stim free products now provide actual performance benefits beyond just a pump. Definitely not pointless.
 
bolt10 said:
Many of the stim free products now provide actual performance benefits beyond just a pump. Definitely not pointless.
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are you refering to the combination of citruline malate, agmatine, creatine, beta alanine, and bcaas that all stim frees have in common? 2 of which are for pumps, 2 of which are useless unless saturated, and one is useless unless training fasted, which he wouldnt be doing at night.
 
bolt10 said:
Already some good suggestions going on in here, so I'll just toss out a couple I like as well.

Protocol, Ultima, Hemavol and Clout are all great and what I typically use at different times.
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This.
Also too much vaso without stims = tired and huge decrease in performance.


Gator762 said:
With work and family life, I can't workout until later in the evening. That also means I must go to be 2-3 hours after I start.

I think I've been consuming way too much caffeine, I'm waking up dead tired despite having 7-8 hours sleep. I've been falling into the cycle of needing it to get through the day, and for any chance of getting a workout in. But I'm drinking 700mg+ a day, and a lot past 3PM, so it's probably messing with my sleep. I'm going to try to cut that back to 200-300 mg.

Right now I'm taking Anadraulic State GT, but my tolerance to caffeine must be high, because if I only take 1 or 2 scoops of that I feel like I can go to bed afterward. I weigh 170.
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+700mg of caffeine ED ? A bit too much heh ?
 
op when ou sleep, is it hot or cold in your room? you might want to question the quality if sleep youre getting since you wake up tired. sleeping cold is better than hot btw
 
ThunderHumper said:
are you refering to the combination of citruline malate, agmatine, creatine, beta alanine, and bcaas that all stim frees have in common? 2 of which are for pumps, 2 of which are useless unless saturated, and one is useless unless training fasted, which he wouldnt be doing at night.
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lolI need explanations on how "BCAA are useless unless training fasted".Because a guy said so on his own website ?You think having elevated creatine content in the muscle but below "saturation" is useless ?
 
ThunderHumper said:
are you refering to the combination of citruline malate, agmatine, creatine, beta alanine, and bcaas that all stim frees have in common? 2 of which are for pumps, 2 of which are useless unless saturated, and one is useless unless training fasted, which he wouldnt be doing at night.
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Citrulline Malate and Agmatine provide benefits beyond "pumps". I also didn't mention any BCAA product. Maybe these products aren't for you but there are plenty of other ingredients in the products I mentioned and others mentioned that do more than just provide pumps.
 
Volatile by Fahrenheit nutrition would be an option as well. Stim content is only like a cup of coffee so it shouldn't mess with your sleep at all.

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I would def get a non-stim preworkout product.

Some options are White BLOOD (v1 or v2), Ragnarok stim free, etc.
Or you could make your own from bulk ingredients
 
AX Ultra Reps
Omega Ultima
iForce Hemavol
MAN Clout/BodyOctane
SNS Focus XT - Stim Free

I think any of those would be a great option for a good preworkout that won't mess with your sleeping patterns.
 
As many people have mentioned, Hemavol! And it tastes almost too good to be true!
 
Definitely pick up some Caffeine-Free Focus XT. The fruit punch flavoring is delicious.
 
jbryand101b said:
Caff free focus xt from sms.
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who's sms?

Jay888999 said:
I will reccomend HEMAVOL, being its stim free and the pump i get off of it is awesome..

Focus XT Stim Free seems to get good reviews

.They are different..One is nootropics and the other is for pumps,so find which will fit u best.
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yep, both great products.

D2footballjrc said:
A non-stim is a good choice..

If you are needing a burst of energy then I suggest...

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The quick oats will give you a quick energy boost.
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Bruce, it's different with you because you mix yours with vodka instead of water.


OP, give caffeine free Focus XT, Hemavol, or caffeine free Ragnorok a try. I have tried all of them and like them in their own way. I thought White Blood was terrible though.
 
Thanks for all the replies guys. Sorry for the apparent hit and run, work got real busy and free time on the web almost non existent.

Looks like I need to try Focus XT for sure, and Hemavol or caffeine free Ragnorok too. Checked out the product descriptions and they all look good. So far I have cut back to 200-300 mg for 4 or 5 days now, with very little after 2 PM (cup of green tea). Not doing too badly, and my sleep does seem to be improved. Off to NP soon!
 
Sign up for a free sample of Ultra Reps and give that a try. I can go to sleep right after working out if I need to.

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Caffeine free focus xt and some agmatine will do the job nicely
 
Volatile by Fahrenheit Nutrition. I workout between 6 and 7 pm. I got away from using PWO except on the weekends because they would keep me up until the wee hours until I discovered Volatile. It tastes great, gives energy and focus with 2 types of creatine. Best of all I'm able to get a normal night of sleep which is usually falling asleep around 11.

Good Luck
 
Great info guys. Ordering some Focus XT caffeine free and Hemavol along with some other stuff very soon.

I'm glad I finally tried cutting back on the caffeine. I thought I was practically immune to it, the idea that it would be messing up my sleep didn't compute. I think in the past few weeks I have had more dreams than I have had in the past 5 years. That's gotta mean something!
 
AthleticXtreme said:
Sign up for a free sample of Ultra Reps and give that a try. I can go to sleep right after working out if I need to.

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Awesome deal, thanks! Mine should be in soon. Will the price be coming down? Not to sound too cheap, but hell I'm a cheap bastard. It's about $1.50 per serving. I almost hope I don't love it. :)
 
Hemavol + Caffeine Free Focus-XT = :party:
 
Even though it's not a preworkout I've used Test Powder prior to training later in the day and really liked it.
 
Another option might be White Flood. I've been using it around 5-6pm and going to sleep around 10 with no issues. It has some stim, but not much.
 
Stimless:

-Caffeine Free Focus-XT
-Hemavol
-Ultima
-Clout
-Body Octane

Stack any of the above for a great Stim free Pre-workout, specially with Caffeine Free Focus-XT , it is the closest to stim-free energy you can get.
 
I train at 8pm and used to use jack3d - and i never could sleep.. Now i use the Supp - D. I am able to train hard still and able to sleep in R.E.M.



Jon M.
National and World Champion Powerlifter
Team P & I


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Celorza said:
Stimless:

-Caffeine Free Focus-XT
-Hemavol
-Ultima
-Clout
-Body Octane

Stack any of the above for a great Stim free Pre-workout, specially with Caffeine Free Focus-XT , it is the closest to stim-free energy you can get.
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Pretty much bang on. Any combination of the above is essentially the best in the industry.
 
PuZo said:
Pretty much bang on. Any combination of the above is essentially the best in the industry.
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been stacking hemavol with body octane again recently....and remembered why i love this combination so much :D
 
Started the Hemavol Monday... Loved it! It was cardio, but I felt more energized and hit it harder. Was able to sleep later, but I did feel beat yesterday. Can't wait to see how tonight goes.
 
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