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SNS Releases X-Gels, the strongest natural anabolic out there!

Same stuff that's in Animal Test? But this is just hella cheaper?
 
mr.cooper69 said:
TTA increases endogenous Arachidonic acid. I would take 1g TTA with your preworkout ArA dose and 1g on off days
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When I dosed TTA standalone, i did 500mg Pre workout or in AM and 500mg prior to my Pre bed shake.. I only use 1g TTA a day and dose for 60 days to complete one bottle.. Would 500mg with ara be pointless? Should I move the evening tta to Pre workout?
 
AaronJP1 said:
Same stuff that's in Animal Test? But this is just hella cheaper?
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You can't even make a comparison. Animal Test is formulated extremely poorly. It has a direct inhibitor of arachidonic acid metabolism (cissus), along with about 3 or 4 other COX inhibitors. All the stuff I've been telling you guys about dosing anti-inflammatories away from your X-gels dose goes out the window with that product.

chedapalooza said:
When I dosed TTA standalone, i did 500mg Pre workout or in AM and 500mg prior to my Pre bed shake.. I only use 1g TTA a day and dose for 60 days to complete one bottle.. Would 500mg with ara be pointless? Should I move the evening tta to Pre workout?
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500mg would not be pointless at all. 1g is simply the maximum efficacious dose with clinical backing for safety. Timing isn't a huge deal but take it with the ArA if you can.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
You can't even make a comparison. Animal Test is formulated extremely poorly. It has a direct inhibitor of arachidonic acid metabolism (cissus), along with about 3 or 4 other COX inhibitors. All the stuff I've been telling you guys about dosing anti-inflammatories away from your X-gels dose goes out the window with that product.

500mg would not be pointless at all. 1g is simply the maximum efficacious dose with clinical backing for safety. Timing isn't a huge deal but take it with the ArA if you can.
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Yeah I read that. No joint sups. :)
 
antihero said:
This has to be a typo. There's no possible way they legitimately meant to sell them at that price. I'd recommend scooping up as many as possible before Monday morning.

Hopefully they honor the orders.
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I had to pull the trigger on this. 4 bottles shipped for $96 with coupon. Hopefully we don't have any issues.

Funny side note: their sku # for this item is "sexgel". Hopefully I don't end up with 4 tubes of K-Y....
 
Dewey99 said:
I had to pull the trigger on this. 4 bottles shipped for $96 with coupon. Hopefully we don't have any issues.

Funny side note: their sku # for this item is "sexgel". Hopefully I don't end up with 4 tubes of K-Y....
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The price is unbeatable, most likely because its a mistake. I'm glad you took advantage of it though.
 
antihero said:
The price is unbeatable, most likely because its a mistake. I'm glad you took advantage of it though.
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That's most likely the lowest price you'll ever see!

The nice thing about it being that cheap is it leaves consumers with a little extra cash for all the awesome things to stack with it from SNS - Agmatine, Leucine, TTA-500, PLCAR-500, ALCAR-500; the possibilities are exciting and almost limitless! ;)
 
bought 4 more bottles, the price was too good to pass up. so now i will have 6 :)
 
UncleWade said:
That's most likely the lowest price you'll ever see!

The nice thing about it being that cheap is it leaves consumers with a little extra cash for all the awesome things to stack with it from SNS - Agmatine, Leucine, TTA-500, PLCAR-500, ALCAR-500; the possibilities are exciting and almost limitless! ;)
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Indeed most of those other ingredients are really affordable as well
 
thatguy099 said:
4 caps DCP with X gels pre workout sound alright?
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Yessir.
 
antihero said:
This has to be a typo. There's no possible way they legitimately meant to sell them at that price. I'd recommend scooping up as many as possible before Monday morning.

Hopefully they honor the orders.
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Jumped at this deal while on a date hahaha price was too good. One cycle was under the price of one bottle from the other company! Picked up 6 :)
 
w_llewellyn said:
I would like to clarify the above post. At the time I wrote that, I was basing my comments entirely on information given to me from the SNS reps concerning the makeup of their product. I would like to rescind this statement (except for the X-Factor part). Good luck guys.
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William,

Why are you rescinding your previous statement? Are you trying to say that the X-Gels do not have 250mg of ArA as stated? I am a bit confused by the lack of explanation.
 
Dewey99 said:
William,

Why are you rescinding your previous statement? Are you trying to say that the X-Gels do not have 250mg of ArA as stated? I am a bit confused by the lack of explanation.
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He is stating that Xgels and Xf both have 250mg of Ara
 
mw1 said:
He is stating that Xgels and Xf both have 250mg of Ara
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Are you sure that's what he is saying? It seems like that's what his original post said and he decide to take it all back. That's where I was confused by his post and lack of explanation on why he wished to rescind his original statement. Just saying "I take it back" doesn't really tell me anything.
 
w_llewellyn said:
Wow. Speechless. I spoke to Steve on Friday and thought you guys would take care of this. To be clear. I was ONLY addressing the MN Product X-Factor in my pervious posts. How SNS wishes to handle its product, customers, and reputation is up to SNS.

I will remind everyone of this. To get 250 mg of ARA out of 40% oil, we need to put 625mg of ARA Oil into X-Factor. If anyone thinks there is a product that offers the same dose for less, the first thing I suggest they do is put it on a scale and see what it weighs. Again, you need 625 mg of oil, plus the weight of the softgel casing, to reach that dosage with 40% material. Good luck with your scales fellas..
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Damn...
 
w_llewellyn said:
Wow. Speechless. I spoke to Steve on Friday and thought you guys would take care of this. To be clear. I was ONLY addressing the MN Product X-Factor in my pervious posts. How SNS wishes to handle its product, customers, and reputation is up to SNS.

I will remind everyone of this. To get 250 mg of ARA out of 40% oil, we need to put 625mg of ARA Oil into X-Factor. If anyone thinks there is a product that offers the same dose for less, the first thing I suggest they do is put it on a scale and see what it weighs. Again, you need 625 mg of oil, plus the weight of the softgel casing, to reach that dosage with 40% material. Good luck with your scales fellas..
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To restate, I will weigh when I receive mine as I have a mg scale, but SNS has never dissatisfied me in the past and I don't expect them to do so now.
 
w_llewellyn said:
Wow. Speechless. I spoke to Steve on Friday and thought you guys would take care of this. To be clear. I was ONLY addressing the MN Product X-Factor in my pervious posts. How SNS wishes to handle its product, customers, and reputation is up to SNS.

I will remind everyone of this. To get 250 mg of ARA out of 40% oil, we need to put 625mg of ARA Oil into X-Factor. If anyone thinks there is a product that offers the same dose for less, the first thing I suggest they do is put it on a scale and see what it weighs. Again, you need 625 mg of oil, plus the weight of the softgel casing, to reach that dosage with 40% material. Good luck with your scales fellas..
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Geez....this guy
 
uvawahoowa said:
To restate, I will weigh when I receive mine as I have a mg scale, but SNS has never dissatisfied me in the past and I don't expect them to do so now.
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I do not have a scale but can agree that I have liked and seen results from SNS products in the past. Can't say that I am not a little concerned though having just ordered a bunch of X-Gels. I'm sure it will all work out though.
 
Dewey99 said:
I do not have a scale but can agree that I have liked and seen results from SNS products in the past. Can't say that I am not a little concerned though having just ordered a bunch of X-Gels. I'm sure it will all work out though.
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Tbh these sound like very vague and baseless accusations. I'll believe them when I see the proof
 
Dewey99 said:
I do not have a scale but can agree that I have liked and seen results from SNS products in the past. Can't say that I am not a little concerned though having just ordered a bunch of X-Gels. I'm sure it will all work out though.
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I'd just like to state that each SNS X-gel has 250mg of the active ArA ingredient.

I don't know what Bill is trying to say through his posts that are vague and leave much up to intrepertation.

So let me just make it very clear. SNS X-gels have 250mg of ArA in each capsule. There are 100 capsules per bottle. Our price point is what it is due to several factors, and to some individuals this price point seems extremely low. The fact of the matter is that not every company feels the need to have a significant margin on all of their products.

I'm done referring to MN in this thread, and I'm done promoting them as an option next to the X-gels. The X-gels contain 250mg of the ArA per capsule.

Trying to remain amicable here, but when someone makes vague statements that miscontrue what our products have it is extremely difficult to do so.

As you know, SNS takes extreme pride in providing QUALITY products each and every time. Every batch is third party tested to make sure of this.

I hope this clears everything up.

Thank you to our consumers for the continued support.

-Day
 
w_llewellyn said:
I don't have to agree to that! You can't force me to agree to any claims about your product! What kind of **** is that? Besides, some of these people have scales and brains. They don't need me to confirm or deny any of your claims.

Stop trying to drag me into this! This is YOUR situation SNS, not Molecular's. Stop trying to make it about us.
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You do realize there filler in there dont you?. Where on your label does it state 625mgs??
 
Daycrawler said:
I'd just like to state that each SNS X-gel has 250mg of the active ArA ingredient.

I don't know what Bill is trying to say through his posts that are vague and leave much up to intrepertation.

So let me just make it very clear. SNS X-gels have 250mg of ArA in each capsule. There are 100 capsules per bottle. Our price point is what it is due to several factors, and to some individuals this price point seems extremely low. The fact of the matter is that not every company feels the need to have a significant margin on all of their products.
-Day
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Thanks for reassurance DC. I gots scuurrred there for a minute.
 
w_llewellyn said:
I'm not addressing SNS. I do want to give everyone an example of how things go with weight though.

In my hand is a vitamin E softgel. It weighs 500mg. When you squeeze out the oil, the casing weighs 250mg. So its 250mg case, 250 mg fill. If that vitamin E was at a 40% concentration, it would yield a dosage of 100 mg vitamin E per softgel.

We list the active amount of ARA, as we should. We don't dilute the ARA oil in XF. Its a straight fill of the 40% oil product from Cargill. If we did add filler, it would only require us to have a bigger softgel, with more than 625 mg inside - which makes no sense to us at it would add nothing but size and weight.
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So you're claiming SNS's X-gels have 250mg of oil inside the casing and of the 250mg only 40% is ArA, right?
 
w_llewellyn said:
Stop trying to drag me into this! This is YOUR situation SNS, not Molecular's. Stop trying to make it about us.
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In sns's defense (having not even purchased a bottle yet.. Of EITHER companies ara product) you entered this thread on your volition and have created a 'situation' with your words ..

Scales aside, it is clear to anyone watching that this was your doing, and yours alone... And as Many have already stated, Sns has never done me wrong... Just wanted to point it out that I don't think they have dragged you into anything- you threw them into a ring and now they're simply defending themselves...
 
w_llewellyn said:
I'm not addressing SNS. I do want to give everyone an example of how things go with weight though.

In my hand is a vitamin E softgel. It weighs 500mg. When you squeeze out the oil, the casing weighs 250mg. So its 250mg case, 250 mg fill. If that vitamin E was at a 40% concentration, it would yield a dosage of 100 mg vitamin E per softgel.

We list the active amount of ARA, as we should. We don't dilute the ARA oil in XF. Its a straight fill of the 40% oil product from Cargill. If we did add filler, it would only require us to have a bigger softgel, with more than 625 mg inside - which makes no sense to us at it would add nothing but size and weight.
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William,

Instead of hypothetical examples using Vitamin E, why don't you just come out and say what you are trying so hard to avoid saying? You have alluded to the fact that X-Gels don't have the 625mg of ArA oil inside them needed to produce 250mg of ArA at 40% concentration. Why don't you just come out and say what you found and where you got the X-gels. This would seem like the right thing to do rather than levy veiled accusations at SNS.
 
monstermash said:
So you're claiming SNS's X-gels have 250mg of oil inside the casing and of the 250mg only 40% is ArA, right?
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chedapalooza said:
In sns's defense (having not even purchased a bottle yet.. Of EITHER companies ara product) you entered this thread on your volition and have created a 'situation' with your words ...
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Dewey99 said:
William,

Instead of hypothetical examples using Vitamin E, why don't you just come out and say what you are trying so hard to avoid saying? You have alluded to the fact that X-Gels don't have the 625mg of ArA oil inside them needed to produce 250mg of ArA at 40% concentration. Why don't you just come out and say what you found and where you got the X-gels. This would seem like the right thing to do rather than levy veiled accusations at SNS.
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I don't see where he makes a claim of anything. If you read the earlier comments, at most what he is doing is explaining labeling and capsule math so that the people who don't work in the industry but read here have the information they need to validate the SNS product themselves..
 
Mod edit: review the rules
 
EasyEJL said:
I don't see where he makes a claim of anything. If you read the earlier comments, at most what he is doing is explaining labeling and capsule math so that the people who don't work in the industry but read here have the information they need to validate the SNS product themselves..
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I think we all know what he is trying to say
 
EasyEJL said:
I don't see where he makes a claim of anything. If you read the earlier comments, at most what he is doing is explaining labeling and capsule math so that the people who don't work in the industry but read here have the information they need to validate the SNS product themselves..
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Hey EasyEJL,

I don't mean to disagree with you, but post #274 in this thread seems pretty accusatory if you ask me:

From William Llewellyn:

"Wow. Speechless. I spoke to Steve on Friday and thought you guys would take care of this. To be clear. I was ONLY addressing the MN Product X-Factor in my pervious posts. How SNS wishes to handle its product, customers, and reputation is up to SNS.

I will remind everyone of this. To get 250 mg of ARA out of 40% oil, we need to put 625mg of ARA Oil into X-Factor. If anyone thinks there is a product that offers the same dose for less, the first thing I suggest they do is put it on a scale and see what it weighs. Again, you need 625 mg of oil, plus the weight of the softgel casing, to reach that dosage with 40% material. Good luck with your scales fellas.."

When you post something like this in a thread about SNS X-Gels, it seems like a thinly veiled accusation. As a matter of fact there are several posts in this thread that basically amount to him saying saying that SNS X-gels do not contain the same active dose of ArA as X-Factor.

Am I the only one that sees this? If so, then I apologize for being so off base.
 
Seems like there are a lot of deleted posts, but it's quite laughable that you think SNS "dragged you into this." Anyway, I am awaiting an official response some time this week and I'll get back to you. From all the conclusions I've drawn about the situation, if I were you, I'd shift your concerns from our product to yours :).
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Seems like there are a lot of deleted posts, but it's quite laughable that you think SNS "dragged you into this." Anyway, I am awaiting an official response some time this week and I'll get back to you. From all the conclusions I've drawn about the situation, if I were you, I'd shift your concerns from our product to yours :).
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Need I remind you who started the launch of their product by making comparisons between X Gels and X-Factor?

Yes, the mods are apparently deleting my recommendations that people weigh any capsule they have problems with to check its contents. I've also received an official infraction for my posts. Interesting AM!
 
w_llewellyn said:
Need I remind you who started the launch of their product by making comparisons between X Gels and X-Factor?

Yes, the mods are apparently deleting my recommendations that people weigh any capsule they have problems with to check its contents. Interesting AM!
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I am not sure who you are referring to, but obviously the consumer drew comparisons because they are the only two pure ArA products available. I have used X-factor with success on numerous occasions and have applauded you for bringing it to the market, but the way you are handling this is beyond me. If you want to compare ArA content of two caps, you test them; you don't weigh them. Again, I should have an official response for you soon, but I'm sure this could easily be settled by contacting Steve yourself rather than creating alarmism based on cap weight.
 
w_llewellyn said:
How is weight irrelevant? If a vitamin E holds 500 mg, has 250 mg of fill and 250 mg shell, there is 250 mg vitamin E oil. If that vitamin E oil is 40% Ve by wt., there is 100 mg of active Vitamin E in it, no?

If the VE weighted well more, it would require a test. You can't stuff 250mg of vitamin in into 250mg of fill unless its 100% pure vitamin E, not 40% vitamin E.
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I didn't say it's irrelevant. It's inaccurate, unofficial, and confounded. The arachidonic acid content listed is a minimum, is it not?

I'm also seeing 2-3 different labels for X-factor. Perhaps you could clarify which one is correct.

Anyway, I'm off to lift. I'll post the response as soon as I receive it, but until then, please show some courtesy until you have the facts. My PM box is open in the mean time.
 
rob112 said:
Holy ****...i was joking when I said this would happen in another thread.
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I wish I could say I'm shocked. Apparently, by stepping away from my emails for the weekend, the world comes to an end.
 
antihero said:
I wish I could say I'm shocked. Apparently, by stepping away from my emails for the weekend, the world comes to an end.
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This industry is nutty man. In for response.
 
If only he would have posted how much an original x factor gel weighed as comparison before talking so much ****

Either way, my shiz is here. Just not home yet.
 
Just received my X-Gels in the mail. Thanks SNS! Can I take 4 every day for 50 days and be good to go? Lifting days I would take all 4 pre workout and rest days I'd just take 2 with 2 different meals. Is that a good way to do it?
 
rob112 said:
This industry is nutty man. In for response.
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Nutty could be the understatement of the year. Some days I just need to put down the phone, and walk away from the computer.
 
Randoja said:
Just received my X-Gels in the mail. Thanks SNS! Can I take 4 every day for 50 days and be good to go? Lifting days I would take all 4 pre workout and rest days I'd just take 2 with 2 different meals. Is that a good way to do it?
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I know some are in favor of doing it only on workout days, which is another good dosing scheme, but what you have is exactly how I ran it before and had nice results.
 
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