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Best non stim pre wourkout for strength?

CaptainSlentz

CaptainSlentz

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Talking strictly for strength and performance , which non stim pre workout is the best in this category?
 
Man sports Body Octane and Clout are awesome. I also like Ultima but not so much on the flavoring. I've stacked all of those with Hemavol and had great training sessions.
 
I'm going to count how many times I see hemavol.
 
While I love many non-stim preworkouts for a variety of purposes [like Body Octane and Hemavol for pumps and endurance], from a pure strength perspective I think that MAN Sports Clout is far-and-away the top performer, perhaps followed closely by Omega Sports Ultima.
 
Clout and Ultima without a doubt.
 
Is there any close second to clout? Ive actually tried it before and it was hard on my stomach. Think it might've been the beta alanine as they always seem to make me visit the bathroom frequently
 
Ive heard good things about plcar in terms of strength and endurance, anyone have any experience with it?
 
hemavol or ultima....or both stacked together if you're willing to put out the money.

hemavol cant be beat as far as performance (as far as non-stim products go) imo
 
I really recommend trying swollen by nutrabolics.
 
How about MAN body octane?? Really digging the ingredient profile.. Thinking of using it as part of a "hormone" free 4 weeks.. Thinking I need a little detox after this cut I'm on and before gearin up for fall recomp n lean bulk
 
chedapalooza said:
How about MAN body octane?? Really digging the ingredient profile.. Thinking of using it as part of a "hormone" free 4 weeks.. Thinking I need a little detox after this cut I'm on and before gearin up for fall recomp n lean bulk
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Ya Body Octane is great as well. I notice more "endurance" like benefits from Cit Mal and Beta Alanine (plus its other goodies) than strength compared to the ingredients in Clout, but as far as stim free Pre-workouts go it is in the upper echelon IMO.
 
Just get your self Agmatine and take 750mg-1g of it. Trust me even the guys in the dark side use it all the time.
 
Colbert said:
Just get your self Agmatine and take 750mg-1g of it. Trust me even the guys in the dark side use it all the time.
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Have used it and still plan to continue to.. Just experimenting.. Like trying different things.
 
Will body octane illicit an insulin response (I train fasted) so I tend to never use powder/liquid Pre workouts..

I don't see how it would unless there's something in the filler ingredients..
 
chedapalooza said:
Will body octane illicit an insulin response (I train fasted) so I tend to never use powder/liquid Pre workouts..

I don't see how it would unless there's something in the filler ingredients..
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A. It wouldn't matter

B. L-aspartic acid would elicit an insulin response equivalent to a baby carrot
 
Ultra reps has been my favorite non stim pre workout that i've used, but i haven't used to many....good for endurance and strength that will continue through your workout
 
check out NutraBio. they sell a good stim free prewo with exactly what you need and no bull**** in it. they also so bulk products for cheap..
 
dontknowaboutme said:
^^This^^. Agmatine is becoming more and more popular but it is still greatly underrated, I love the stuff.
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What are folks seeing out of agmatine that some of us are not.
I heard great reviews from some people (as far as pumps) & others who don't seem to get too much out of it...
 
AaronJP1 said:
What are folks seeing out of agmatine that some of us are not.
I heard great reviews from some people (as far as pumps) & others who don't seem to get too much out of it...
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I just felt full and jacked especially when doing 5x5 due to the sarcoplasmic volume of the tissues
 
mr.cooper69 said:
A. It wouldn't matter

B. L-aspartic acid would elicit an insulin response equivalent to a baby carrot
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So it wouldn't be breaking a fast? (body octane)

While on the subject, do u know if test powder will break a fast? I'm so wary to take ANY liquid/powder Pre workouts
 
chedapalooza said:
So it wouldn't be breaking a fast? (body octane)

While on the subject, do u know if test powder will break a fast? I'm so wary to take ANY liquid/powder Pre workouts
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Why? It shouldn't really be a concern. Are you following Berkhan's IF protocol? Taking a pre-workout will not impede your results by breaking your fast. There is an uncanny fear of insulin over the last few years that I thought was dying down, apparently not.
 
chedapalooza said:
So it wouldn't be breaking a fast? (body octane)

While on the subject, do u know if test powder will break a fast? I'm so wary to take ANY liquid/powder Pre workouts
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Physiologically speaking, no it wouldn't break the fast. It doesn't matter, regardless. Your fear of taking preworkouts is unfounded. Test powder is fine...the agmatine exerts hypoglycemic action anyway.

dontknowaboutme said:
Why? It shouldn't really be a concern. Are you following Berkhan's IF protocol? Taking a pre-workout will not impede your results by breaking your fast. There is an uncanny fear of insulin over the last few years that I thought was dying down, apparently not.
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This. The "fast" is meaningless unless you are diabetic.
 
dontknowaboutme said:
Why? It shouldn't really be a concern. Are you following Berkhan's IF protocol? Taking a pre-workout will not impede your results by breaking your fast. There is an uncanny fear of insulin over the last few years that I thought was dying down, apparently not.
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mr.cooper69 said:
Physiologically speaking, no it wouldn't break the fast. It doesn't matter, regardless. Your fear of taking preworkouts is unfounded. Test powder is fine...the agmatine exerts hypoglycemic action anyway.

This. The "fast" is meaningless unless you are diabetic.
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Alright. I believe u guys. I know you think I'm nuts coop lol but thanks for settin me straight, even tho I have to ask a couple times haha
 
chedapalooza said:
Alright. I believe u guys. I know you think I'm nuts coop lol but thanks for settin me straight, even tho I have to ask a couple times haha
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I am so glad and a bit ecstatic that Cyrus actually explains.it more than once for us stubborn guys cam lol.
He is a damn great asset to SNS and this forum
 
mr.cooper69 said:
No problem man. I don't think you're nuts. Just overanalytical like every other BBer I know :D
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Haha thanks brotha
runner_79 said:
I am so glad and a bit ecstatic that Cyrus actually explains.it more than once for us stubborn guys cam lol.
He is a damn great asset to SNS and this forum
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Absolutely no doubt.
 
StackedCop said:
I think you're doing it wrong bro lol
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Not responding? :D ;)

runner_79 said:
I just felt full and jacked especially when doing 5x5 due to the sarcoplasmic volume of the tissues
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Gotcha.
 
AaronJP1 said:
Not responding? :D ;)

Gotcha.
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Have you done a full month of it?
 
Valdez said:
Have you done a full month of it?
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I tried dosing the PES sister brand SS, doing 1500g a day. That was roughly a month. Tried hemavol a few times as well, haven't seen much from it. So I think either I have to dose agmatine really high or it just does not effect me.
 
AaronJP1 said:
I tried dosing the PES sister brand SS, doing 1500g a day. That was roughly a month. Tried hemavol a few times as well, haven't seen much from it. So I think either I have to dose agmatine really high or it just does not effect me.
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Could be a non responder but you could also be expecting to much.
 
AaronJP1 said:
I tried dosing the PES sister brand SS, doing 1500g a day. That was roughly a month. Tried hemavol a few times as well, haven't seen much from it. So I think either I have to dose agmatine really high or it just does not effect me.
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The effects I noticed for me took about a month and a half to build up. I don't really get a pump from it tho.
 
StackedCop said:
Could be a non responder but you could also be expecting to much.
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That could be 100% right too... Maybe I'm not a newbie anymore those pump days are gone haha...
Trying to look like my avi pic and that's a long shot!


Valdez said:
The effects I noticed for me took about a month and a half to build up. I don't really get a pump from it tho.
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Just a fullness... Got it. Guess they say that's why hemavol gets better with use.
 
pressureSpike said:
The last reason why I bought agamatine was for the pumps more so the health benefits
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Yeah phuck that, thats why I take a multi. :P
 
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