Best joint medication?

trapp mann said:
My knees elbows wrist hurt all the time I was taking ,,,,and I got rid of it by taking 3, 1000mg. A day for one week then switched to 6,1000a day and it's gone I used fish oil it's not to costly.hope it works for grandma
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50x8x6 not even maxed
 
Axillist said:
I completely agree. I have tried Fish oil/Glucosamine/Chondroitan/ MSM and all have had little effect on me. I have very creeky joints and Cissus RX has been a godsend! This is the #1 supplement for joints in my book. I could feel the results within the first few days!
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just as a question, how long did you stay on the glucosamine/chondroitin/msm ? I get some relief from them, but have to be on at least 6-8 weeks consistently to get that relief
 
EasyEJL said:
just as a question, how long did you stay on the glucosamine/chondroitin/msm ? I get some relief from them, but have to be on at least 6-8 weeks consistently to get that relief
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I have been that stack for more than a year. I know that it tends to take a while to start working its magic. I moved into the liquid versions for better bio-availability however, the cissus helped me right off the bat.
 
I've been impresses with AMS joint fixx so far. I also have a friend in it post knee surgery and he can't believe the immediate difference.
 
SNS is bringing a 5% cissus extract to market very soon, you might look into that as soon as it's available. :)
 
UncleWade said:
SNS is bringing a 5% cissus extract to market very soon, you might look into that as soon as it's available. :)
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This.


SNS Cissus+ Joint Force is a great, great stack.
 
UncleWade said:
That information isn't readily available, but I will attempt to get you some answers from those that are closer to the actual product development and formulation side of things. :)
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i dont mean your stuff specifically i mean in general what is used for cissus

i could find the answer in 5 minutes if i tried, i was just seeing if i can get a quick answer from someone
 
Royd The Noyd said:
Good to know thanks . Guy on another forum has been giving it to his older dog with success lol.
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I'm very curious about your guys product i'll have to see about getting a bottle of it see how it compares to Joint Force and then see how good they are together. Cause so far Joint Force has been the best product i've used.
 
I've tried a lot of those products. One of the best if not the best that I've had great success from is.. Glycoflex, green lipped muscle. I work in the veterinary field and its a supplement we use for dogs with bad joints and arthritis. They have a human version. Bad side, burps can taste fishy.
 
Patrick Arnold said:
i dont mean your stuff specifically i mean in general what is used for cissus

i could find the answer in 5 minutes if i tried, i was just seeing if i can get a quick answer from someone
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Same as Wade, I can find out for ya or you can search ;).

Or just wait to test it yourself once released...
 
Clemenza said:
Fish Oil
Glucosamine / Chondrointin
MSM
Curcumin Tumeric/Bromalain
Hyaluronic Acid


These all can help seperately or in conjunction with one another. Low intensity exercise targeted for her ailments can help as well. Good luck!
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great advice right here. Anything to reduce inflammation. i would look into ginger as well.

what exactly is wrong with her knees? arthritis?
 
Daycrawler said:
Same as Wade, I can find out for ya or you can search ;).

Or just wait to test it yourself once released...
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the reason i ask is just cuz i am wondering if cissus extract might be topically delivered. i am not interested in testing anyones cissus caps

one thing about cissus that sucks is that you cant really standardize for actives cuz no one knows what the actives are. this standardization for "ketosteroids" makes no sense to me. that is such a general term. i can see detecting the amount of keto compounds but specific for steroids with ketone groups?

i tested cissus before and found no steroid compounds in there. if they were in there they were too large to come out on my gc column
 
LOL that's what I thought. I thought coopster flipped his lid :p
 
20-30 grams of fish oil and not a single joint will ache.
 
I used pure solutions igf ultra and believe it or not... felt like i had better range of motion, but at $80 a bottle its too expensive.
 
Did wonders for me, trust it'll do the same for your grandma...

howwedo107 said:
My grand mother who raised me is one of the sweetest people I know and she has had problems recently with her knees. She is only 60 years old and I hate to see her in pain from her knee joints hurting her. She doesn't have health insurance bc well our government has to many flaws so I was wondering what the best joint supplement would be that could maybe help her pain a little
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Hi there, Howwedo..
Am still 14 years away from your grandma's age but what helped me bigtime was OsteoSport and SuperCissus, combined. Fixed shoulder problems, arthritis in hands and similar other joint problems. Best wishes for you both!
 
Patrick Arnold said:
the reason i ask is just cuz i am wondering if cissus extract might be topically delivered. i am not interested in testing anyones cissus caps

one thing about cissus that sucks is that you cant really standardize for actives cuz no one knows what the actives are. this standardization for "ketosteroids" makes no sense to me. that is such a general term. i can see detecting the amount of keto compounds but specific for steroids with ketone groups?

i tested cissus before and found no steroid compounds in there. if they were in there they were too large to come out on my gc column
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Ahh.

Well,
Normally everyone just waits for you to figure that out and release a new hot product.

Haha.
 
Careful. There are side effects related to that high of fish oil dosing for longer periods of time ;)

th3futur3 said:
20-30 grams of fish oil and not a single joint will ache.
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Patrick Arnold said:
yeah like bleeding to death when you get a paper cut
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I usually only dose like this the day before and during my leg workouts. Torn acl, maniskis, mcl...seems to help quite a bit...other days the normal 6-9 grams.
 
Just to help beat it to death as far as a suggestion, glucosamine and chondroitin are amazing, cissius is fantastic, msm and hylaronic acid are great. i got a mix from applied nutraceuticals a while back, silver pills, cant remember their name, it had a mix of all of the above. ive been told i need surgery on my shoulder for the cartilidge tears in it, the dr even suggested replacement. i took that with some of the triple strength glucosamine and chondroitin, puritans pride brand, and its been feeling much better as of late, even able to move some serious weight on it.
 
superbeast668 said:
Just to help beat it to death as far as a suggestion, glucosamine and chondroitin are amazing, t.
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really? i have never met anyone that considered these amazing. they usually provide a marginal benefit for most and they take months to work. but they are cheap and safe.

there are no miracle joint repair products.
 
Have you ever thought about using Celadrin Mr. Arnold?
 
ax1 said:
That is the ingrediant. Aka cetylated fatty acid.

They make it in a topical too.
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A cetylated fatty acid topical cream with menthol reduces pain and improves functional performance in individuals with arthritis.

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Human Performance Laboratory, Department of Kinesiology, University of Connecticut, Storrs, Connecticut 06269, USA. [email protected]

Abstract

This investigation was an extension of a previous study conducted in our laboratory in which we showed that 1 month of treatment with a topical cream (Celadrin) consisting of cetylated fatty acids was effective for reducing pain and improving functional performance in individuals with osteoarthritis (OA) of the knee (Kraemer et al., Journal of Rheumatology, 2004). We wanted to verify that the addition of menthol to the compound would produce a similar percentage of improvement in therapeutic effects. We used a single treatment group with a pre-post experimental design to examine % treatment changes. Individuals diagnosed with OA of the knee (N = 10; age, 66.4 +/- 11.5 years) and severe pain (e.g., OA, rheumatoid arthritis) of the elbow (N = 8; age, 59.1 +/- 18.2 years) and wrist (N = 10; age, 60.3 +/- 16.8 years) were tested for pain and functional performance before and after 1 week of treatment with a topical cream consisting of cetylated fatty acids and menthol applied twice per day. In individuals with knee OA, significant improvements in stair-climbing ability (about 12%), "up-and-go" performance (about 12%), balance and strength (about 16.5%), and range of motion (about 3.5%) were observed, as were reductions in pain. In individuals with severe pain of the elbow and wrist, significant improvements in dynamic (about 22 and 24.5%, respectively) and isometric (about 33 and 42%, respectively) local muscular endurance were observed, as was a reduction in pain. Neither group demonstrated significant changes in maximal grip strength or maximal force production. One week of treatment with a topical cream consisting of cetylated fatty acids and menthol was similarly effective for reducing pain and improving functional performance in individuals with arthritis of the knee, elbow, and wrist. The % changes were consistent with our prior work on the compound without menthol. Further work is needed to determine the impact of menthol in such a cream. Nevertheless, our data support the use of a topical cream consisting of cetylated fatty acids (with or without menthol) for enhancing the potential for exercise training in this population.

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Invalid Link Removed 2002 Aug;29(8):1708-12.
Cetylated fatty acids improve knee function in patients with osteoarthritis.

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Hesslink Ventures, San Diego, California, USA.

Abstract

OBJECTIVE:

To determine the benefit of cetylated fatty acids (CFA) on knee range of motion and function in patients with osteoarthritis (OA).

METHODS:

Sixty-four patients with chronic knee OA were evaluated at baseline and at 30 and 68 days after consuming either placebo (vegetable oil; n = 31) or CFA (Celadrin; n = 33). Evaluations included physician assessment, knee range of motion with goniometry, and the Lequesne Algofunctional Index (LAI).

RESULTS:

After 68 days, patients treated with CFA exhibited significant (p < 0.001) increase in knee flexion (10.1 degrees) compared to patients given placebo (1.1 degrees). Neither group reported improvement in knee extension. Patient responses to the LAI indicated a significant (p < 0.001) shift towards functional improvement for the CFA group (-5.4 points) after 68 days compared to a modest improvement in the placebo group (-2.1 points).

CONCLUSION:

Compared to placebo, CFA provides an improvement in knee range of motion and overall function in patients with OA of the knee. CFA may be an alternative to the use of nonsteroidal antiinflammatory drugs for the treatment of OA.

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i assume this contains cetyl myristoleate. if you had said that to start with i would have understood

i remember reading about this stuff a lot in the late 90s. there was a lot of hype. then i didnt really hear about it much anymore.

so i dunno what that means
 
Ethyl Acetate?

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Type II is the one heralded lately for it's restorative benefits (as opposed to the more commonly sold types I+III).

It is also MUCH more expensive. Beyond a century is the cheapest I have located.

I am an OLD fart so I just started using it for my skin as well.
 
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