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At least you did not describe the exit wound and splatter pattern. That would have been too much man!
 
Ha ha ha that pic was supposed to go up in the I have my eye on you when I was carrying the corn. Lol stupid app.
 
mattrag said:
I never had venison before... man lucky lol.
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Well hurry up and come back to the states. I have Elk, Deer, Axis and Hog all sitting in my freezer. Deer season just kicked off with rifles so in the next couple of months we should have enough for the rest of the year or until next season I should say.
 
Grats on the kills Jeff. The wife offered to buy lunch after church today, Pondarosa. Went with the 8oz sirloin and filled up on mostly salad and chicken wings and turkey (yes, the were breaded). Did allow myself the potato, a bit of dressing and a few small desserts. Obviously burned my cheat meal but kept it with in that bounds. Since then we have had about 18g BCAA, 2 grapefruit and a salad with Italian Dressing. Will cap off the day with my usual 2 scoops of protein mixed with Peanut Butter and chilled for 30 minutes (good stuff).

Given all of that, I did hit the gym today. This is my light/deload week, which works in nicely with the shoulder rehab.
Day 1, wk 4 (Deload) MC 6
3:45-4:30

OH BB Press (5's) 70/90/110

Seated Arnold Press 4x12 @25's

180 Degree Lateral Raise (DB's meet overhead with a twist) 12's 4x10

Seated Hammer Curl @20's 3x12

Wide Grip BB curl 45 2x12

Wrapped it up with 28 minutes cardio 5 stage hills profile-135 cals.

Shoulder felt pretty good overall, feel pretty positive that it will be close to 100% by next week

Total burn on the day 3649.
 
Onlychevy6 said:
Well hurry up and come back to the states. I have Elk, Deer, Axis and Hog all sitting in my freezer. Deer season just kicked off with rifles so in the next couple of months we should have enough for the rest of the year or until next season I should say.
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WOW!! Dang that must seriously save a lot of money... unless the guns etc. cost you THAT much... I guess it's a time investment but hey, if it puts that quality meat on the table and is fun, what more could you ask for?
 
taman6886 said:
Grats on the kills Jeff. The wife offered to buy lunch after church today, Pondarosa. Went with the 8oz sirloin and filled up on mostly salad and chicken wings and turkey (yes, the were breaded). Did allow myself the potato, a bit of dressing and a few small desserts. Obviously burned my cheat meal but kept it with in that bounds. Since then we have had about 18g BCAA, 2 grapefruit and a salad with Italian Dressing. Will cap off the day with my usual 2 scoops of protein mixed with Peanut Butter and chilled for 30 minutes (good stuff).

Given all of that, I did hit the gym today. This is my light/deload week, which works in nicely with the shoulder rehab.
Day 1, wk 4 (Deload) MC 6
3:45-4:30

OH BB Press (5's) 70/90/110

Seated Arnold Press 4x12 @25's

180 Degree Lateral Raise (DB's meet overhead with a twist) 12's 4x10

Seated Hammer Curl @20's 3x12

Wide Grip BB curl 45 2x12

Wrapped it up with 28 minutes cardio 5 stage hills profile-135 cals.

Shoulder felt pretty good overall, feel pretty positive that it will be close to 100% by next week

Total burn on the day 3649.
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Decent cheat, nothing INSANE man. Oh and the peanut butter/protein sludge is amazing. I love it.

Good work today. and keeping honest with the eating ;)
 
mattrag said:
WOW!! Dang that must seriously save a lot of money... unless the guns etc. cost you THAT much... I guess it's a time investment but hey, if it puts that quality meat on the table and is fun, what more could you ask for?
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You only need one rifle ultimately. One just needs to figure out what they want to hunt. Big game, small game. Small game is like deer, axis and misc. Big game is elk, moose, etc. I just happen to have multiple weapons. Various types of hunting. Even a compound bow. For bow hunting. Lol.
 
Onlychevy6 said:
You only need one rifle ultimately. One just needs to figure out what they want to hunt. Big game, small game. Small game is like deer, axis and misc. Big game is elk, moose, etc. I just happen to have multiple weapons. Various types of hunting. Even a compound bow. For bow hunting. Lol.
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Man... I wonder what kinda hunting hawaii has...
 
curious. How do you keep the meat good to eat for a year? Basically wondering do you add preservatives or just toss it in the freezer and it stays good?
 
cardiobro said:
curious. How do you keep the meat good to eat for a year? Basically wondering do you add preservatives or just toss it in the freezer and it stays good?
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Vacuum pack it
 
Onlychevy6 said:
LOL Yeah because I already know when I hit my mark believe me I will go all out before I have to have the surgery. You have seen the video of doing 810 squats on the machine I will find a way to his 1k lbs. Even if I have to get some straps and strap them on. LOL... And Leg Press the same thing. I know I could do heavy like kleen and doc. Just stinks I have the old type of sled with more resistance. I am currently working on getting my bench up to 320 possibly in this next 90 days I will video everything I do when it comes to that time. But for now I will K.I.S.S.
(Keep It Simple Stupid). lmao.
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Jeff, I know it isn't anywhere near as fun but you will get more leg development from that machine if you turn around in it. Turning around in it is where the true squat name comes from. It is a lot more like a squat that way and you will feel it in the front on our quads more than in the hamstrings and glutes. Make your legs purdy like mine. ;) LOL

Onlychevy6 said:
Is that a challenge? How many needs to be done?
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Just for sh*ts and giggles put 5 plates per side on the barbell in the rack and just stand up with it. Just a couple inches lift, don't have it low. Don't even step out just unrack it and stand there for a few seconds. It is a humbling experience to feel that much weight on your back just standing and balancing it takes more effort than you expect. Try it you will be surprised. Let me know what you think afterwards.

taman6886 said:
Thanks gents. Took a 3 point caliper reading tonight. Came in at a total of 30mm, down 4 so that pretty much confirms that my body is doing a recomp with what we got going on. Reduced fat and increasing lean mass.
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Now that is the way to use calipers! Don't go trying to do the calculations just look at the pinch numbers to see if they are going down.

DreamWeaver said:
Just try 2500 and 1500 I think you'll be fine ...you may even want to up your wd cal intake...it's funny with lean gains you can have a higher average calorie intake than with normal diets. See how it goes with 2500 1500 ...
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I told him this exact thing when he called me.



Everyone in here is doing a great job and it looks like for right now the weight loss is neck and neck at about 2-2.5 lbs considering Jeff is honorably not counting the water weight lost from his week on the muscle relaxers.
 
Ok so here is the deal. I have been doing a modified 5x5 workout. Every other day mon., wed. & fri. So as of this week I am going to change things up. I am going to do a split. Monday and Tuesday then again Thursday and Friday. That way I can get an extra workout in. I will still do a modified 5x5 workout. Time is running out and I am way to far away from my goal. I know my numbers will go up and down because I am running a pct as well.

As far as the fat burner it self. I have ran it just two in the morning as well as two in the morning and two in the afternoon time. Really did not see any difference so I backed it back down to two in the morning only. And have made some adjustments to my diet also. 2500 cals on workout and 1500 on non workout days.
 
Onlychevy6 said:
Ok so here is the deal. I have been doing a modified 5x5 workout. Every other day mon., wed. & fri. So as of this week I am going to change things up. I am going to do a split. Monday and Tuesday then again Thursday and Friday. That way I can get an extra workout in. I will still do a modified 5x5 workout. Time is running out and I am way to far away from my goal. I know my numbers will go up and down because I am running a pct as well.

As far as the fat burner it self. I have ran it just two in the morning as well as two in the morning and two in the afternoon time. Really did not see any difference so I backed it back down to two in the morning only. And have made some adjustments to my diet also. 2500 cals on workout and 1500 on non workout days.
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Your workouts are intense man!! I know the diet can be frustrating... But you are making real progress! All that extra venison too lol. That must have burned some calories in the forest ;)

You've helped me along a lot too so also, dont be too hard on yourself, the challenge is important as a motivator though, dont make it be the end all be all in the whole scheme of things. And dont go insane trying to do everything at once lol. Like me ;)
 
If you are going to do 4 a week what will the split be? I do not recommend doing 5x5 for each body part twice a week in PCT that is muscular suicide. Hell even on cycle that is pushing it. What will the split look like tell us a little more about how each day will work.
 
MrKleen73 said:
If you are going to do 4 a week what will the split be? I do not recommend doing 5x5 for each body part twice a week in PCT that is muscular suicide. Hell even on cycle that is pushing it. What will the split look like tell us a little more about how each day will work.
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If you look at the training it is supposed to be 4 training sessions. I have only been doing 3. So on monday will be workout 1 tuesday will be workout 2 off wednesday then thursday workout 3 and friday workout 4 off sat and sun.
 
MrKleen73 said:
If you are going to do 4 a week what will the split be? I do not recommend doing 5x5 for each body part twice a week in PCT that is muscular suicide. Hell even on cycle that is pushing it. What will the split look like tell us a little more about how each day will work.
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Kleen man... looking at your training I can tell you have been at this a long time and pretty much know the body's limitation. I for always thought "If I can make it to the gym, i can workout". WRONG. Update coming in my log when I get into work lol. No class first period so I can make my update then. Check it ! lol.
 
Kept it really tight today coming of the cheat meal day. 2064 cals (94 carbs, 199 protein {plus 18g bcaa}, 101 fats) with an estimated burn of 3545 for a deficit of 1481. Most of my carbs were from the 3 grapefruit I ate today. For the work out tonight, I took the day out of the weight room and did 32 minutes on the stationary bike, random hills profile-135 cals, max HR 114 about 10 minutes in the whirlpool for the shoulder reahb effort.

On another note, did a post cardio BP check, it was 140/87 which is up, usually runs around 123/67 post work out. That being the case, I do not recommend running N2Burn when taking any PH/AAS/DS that effects BP. (Although 5a OHP did not effect my BP at all, so that may be a doable stack.) I am gonna run a PH before this is all over, have some epi on hand but will not be cracking that open till after the N2Burn is gone.
 
Onlychevy6 said:
If you look at the training it is supposed to be 4 training sessions. I have only been doing 3. So on monday will be workout 1 tuesday will be workout 2 off wednesday then thursday workout 3 and friday workout 4 off sat and sun.
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Where are you looking at the 5x5 workout? There are tons of variations, and you say you are doing it modified. I see you doing 5x5 on ever body part which is not what is done on the 5x5 workout. At most there are 2 main exercises per workout that are 5x5 then two accessory moves that are 2 or 3 sets each. If you are going to do your modified version doing 5x5 on each exercise then you will over train at 4 times a week in PCT.

mattrag said:
Kleen man... looking at your training I can tell you have been at this a long time and pretty much know the body's limitation. I for always thought "If I can make it to the gym, i can workout". WRONG. Update coming in my log when I get into work lol. No class first period so I can make my update then. Check it ! lol.
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Will go check it out.

taman6886 said:
Kept it really tight today coming of the cheat meal day. 2064 cals (94 carbs, 199 protein {plus 18g bcaa}, 101 fats) with an estimated burn of 3545 for a deficit of 1481. Most of my carbs were from the 3 grapefruit I ate today. For the work out tonight, I took the day out of the weight room and did 32 minutes on the stationary bike, random hills profile-135 cals, max HR 114 about 10 minutes in the whirlpool for the shoulder reahb effort.

On another note, did a post cardio BP check, it was 140/87 which is up, usually runs around 123/67 post work out. That being the case, I do not recommend running N2Burn when taking any PH/AAS/DS that effects BP. (Although 5a OHP did not effect my BP at all, so that may be a doable stack.) I am gonna run a PH before this is all over, have some epi on hand but will not be cracking that open till after the N2Burn is gone.
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Do you typically do this after the whirlpool? The whirlpool and or wet sauna are known for temporarily spiking the BP. Even with that jump that is not alarming at all and not dangerous at that level. A lot of doctors would not even talk to you about treatment with those levels. They may mention them but not try to put you on a medication. Definitely not high enough to worry about on cycle for a temporary period.
 
GOT THAT FINAFLEX G8 BABY CHECK THIS OUT...PLEASE!
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Ok tonight's workout was interesting, for some reason I wasn't full focused.

11/7/11



Machine Squats (Instead of doing it like my video I turned around as suggested)

5 reps 450 lbs
5 reps 450 lbs
5 reps 450 lbs
5 reps 450 lbs
5 reps 450 lbs
12 reps 360 lbs
10 reps 270 lbs

Can we say my quads were on fire. When I do them turned around I feel it more in the hamstrings and the arse area.


Dumbbell Incline Bench

5 reps 65 lbs
5 reps 65 lbs
5 reps 65 lbs
5 reps 65 lbs
5 reps 65 lbs
12 reps 50 lbs
10 reps 40 lbs


Dumbbell Bent Over Rows

5 reps 95 lbs
5 reps 95 lbs
5 reps 95 lbs
5 reps 95 lbs
5 reps 95 lbs
10 reps 75 lbs
10 reps 55 lbs


Standing Arnold Press

5 reps 70 lbs
5 reps 70 lbs
5 reps 70 lbs
5 reps 70 lbs
5 reps 70 lbs
12 reps 60 lbs
8 reps 50 lbs


21's

7 reps 50 lbs
7 reps 50 lbs
7 reps 50 lbs
7 reps 50 lbs
7 reps 50 lbs
7 reps 50 lbs
7 reps 50 lbs


Pin Wheel Curls

5 reps 65 lbs
5 reps 65 lbs
5 reps 65 lbs
5 reps 65 lbs
5 reps 65 lbs
10 reps 55 lbs
10 reps 45 lbs


Also did 20 minutes of cardio.
 
Okay there is an actual 5x5 workout I thought you were changing things up. Still you are going to really be pushing it in PCT you are better of lowering volume a bit and increasing the intensity to keep strength up. I don't want to see you hit the wall or and up injured again.

If doing that one and wanting more volume than written Pick 1 exercise to concentrate on for each of the 4 days and kill it with a 5x5 taking longer rest periods than normal really going for weight.

Then do 1 warm up 2 work sets of 12-15 with one drop set on the last work set for the rest of the body parts only resting 1 minute in between. That way you completely smash each body part one time concentrating on really heavy weight and get good muscle building reps on them the rest of the week without having too much volume. Your body will respond with muscle growth and better recovery. Sometimes less is more Jeff. I know it oes against everything you have been told before but trust me. So it would look like this.

Day 1 -Chest 5x5, Back wu,ws1, ws2 >drop set, Shoulders ws1, ws2>drop set, Biceps wu, ws1>drop set, Legs wu, ws1, ws2>drop set,
Day 2 - Back 5x5, Chest wu,ws1, ws2 >drop set, Shoulders wu, ws1, ws2>drop set, Triceps wu, ws1>drop set, Legs wu, ws1, ws2>drop set
Day 3 rest
Day 4 - Legs 5x5, Back wu,ws1, ws2 >drop set, Chest wu, ws1, ws2>drop set, Shoulder ws1, ws2>drop set, Forearms wu, ws1>drop set
Day 5 Shoulders 5x5, Back wu,ws1, ws2 >drop set, Chest ws1, ws2>drop set, Triceps wu, ws1>drop set, Legs wu, ws1, ws2>drop set

Notice arms are 1 work set they already get worked with everything. Shoulders and or chest when in the middle of the work out do not have a warm up set they are already warm from the two previous upper body compound movements, go straight into the first work set.
 
mattrag said:
Your workouts are intense man!! I know the diet can be frustrating... But you are making real progress! All that extra venison too lol. That must have burned some calories in the forest ;)

You've helped me along a lot too so also, dont be too hard on yourself, the challenge is important as a motivator though, dont make it be the end all be all in the whole scheme of things. And dont go insane trying to do everything at once lol. Like me ;)
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LOL you almost nailed it on the head. When I start something I don't like to lose. I guess that is the athlete in me. Right now I am playing against myself. And my goal to hit 200 by the end of December is almost in reach. I am not sure I will completely get there but it won't be for lack of trying. When I set a goal I feel I have to hit it or I fail. Just how I have always been go all in or nothing.
 
Onlychevy6 said:
LOL you almost nailed it on the head. When I start something I don't like to lose. I guess that is the athlete in me. Right now I am playing against myself. And my goal to hit 200 by the end of December is almost in reach. I am not sure I will completely get there but it won't be for lack of trying. When I set a goal I feel I have to hit it or I fail. Just how I have always been go all in or nothing.
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I think for me since I don't think there ever was an athlete in me, it's just the dumbass who thinks if he doesn't burn through 2000 cals in a workout there is no way he should eat....
But the workout that kleen put up there... is nice! I'd do it but I'm running another BluePrint run as Rob has made a diet/workout plan. I donno if I'm gonna follow it to the T, but I'm going to try to adapt to it. Unless I actually start running something... Then I may just use what Kleen suggested. hahah
 
Onlychevy6 said:
Ok tonight's workout was interesting, for some reason I wasn't full focused.

11/7/11



Machine Squats (Instead of doing it like my video I turned around as suggested)

5 reps 450 lbs
5 reps 450 lbs
5 reps 450 lbs
5 reps 450 lbs
5 reps 450 lbs
12 reps 360 lbs
10 reps 270 lbs

Can we say my quads were on fire. When I do them turned around I feel it more in the hamstrings and the arse area.


Dumbbell Incline Bench

5 reps 65 lbs
5 reps 65 lbs
5 reps 65 lbs
5 reps 65 lbs
5 reps 65 lbs
12 reps 50 lbs
10 reps 40 lbs


Dumbbell Bent Over Rows

5 reps 95 lbs
5 reps 95 lbs
5 reps 95 lbs
5 reps 95 lbs
5 reps 95 lbs
10 reps 75 lbs
10 reps 55 lbs


Standing Arnold Press

5 reps 70 lbs
5 reps 70 lbs
5 reps 70 lbs
5 reps 70 lbs
5 reps 70 lbs
12 reps 60 lbs
8 reps 50 lbs


21's

7 reps 50 lbs
7 reps 50 lbs
7 reps 50 lbs
7 reps 50 lbs
7 reps 50 lbs
7 reps 50 lbs
7 reps 50 lbs


Pin Wheel Curls

5 reps 65 lbs
5 reps 65 lbs
5 reps 65 lbs
5 reps 65 lbs
5 reps 65 lbs
10 reps 55 lbs
10 reps 45 lbs


Also did 20 minutes of cardio.
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Nice work Jeff!
 
MrKleen73 said:
Okay there is an actual 5x5 workout I thought you were changing things up. Still you are going to really be pushing it in PCT you are better of lowering volume a bit and increasing the intensity to keep strength up. I don't want to see you hit the wall or and up injured again.

If doing that one and wanting more volume than written Pick 1 exercise to concentrate on for each of the 4 days and kill it with a 5x5 taking longer rest periods than normal really going for weight.

Then do 1 warm up 2 work sets of 12-15 with one drop set on the last work set for the rest of the body parts only resting 1 minute in between. That way you completely smash each body part one time concentrating on really heavy weight and get good muscle building reps on them the rest of the week without having too much volume. Your body will respond with muscle growth and better recovery. Sometimes less is more Jeff. I know it oes against everything you have been told before but trust me. So it would look like this.

Day 1 -Chest 5x5, Back wu,ws1, ws2 >drop set, Shoulders ws1, ws2>drop set, Biceps wu, ws1>drop set, Legs wu, ws1, ws2>drop set,
Day 2 - Back 5x5, Chest wu,ws1, ws2 >drop set, Shoulders wu, ws1, ws2>drop set, Triceps wu, ws1>drop set, Legs wu, ws1, ws2>drop set
Day 3 rest
Day 4 - Legs 5x5, Back wu,ws1, ws2 >drop set, Chest wu, ws1, ws2>drop set, Shoulder ws1, ws2>drop set, Forearms wu, ws1>drop set
Day 5 Shoulders 5x5, Back wu,ws1, ws2 >drop set, Chest ws1, ws2>drop set, Triceps wu, ws1>drop set, Legs wu, ws1, ws2>drop set

Notice arms are 1 work set they already get worked with everything. Shoulders and or chest when in the middle of the work out do not have a warm up set they are already warm from the two previous upper body compound movements, go straight into the first work set.
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wanted to give you rep points but says i need to share the love more before giving it back to you.
 
This is definitely nice work it just may be too much to do 4 times a week in pct is what I was saying. :)
 
MrKleen73 said:
This is definitely nice work it just may be too much to do 4 times a week in pct is what I was saying. :)
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ok I may be missing something here. What does being in PCT have anything to do with the volume? Is it because I am trying to boost my testosterone and am depleting it by training the way I am?
 
That is the short answer but very correct. Hormonal-wise your body can not recover the way it does when you are on cycle, or even like it can when you have normal testosterone levels. Your cortisol levels are already higher in PCT. Cortisol is a catabolic hormone it breaks down muscle tissue and tells your body to store stress fats. A hard high volume workout stresses the body beyond it's recovery limits causing the already high cortisol levels to sky rocket compounding the likelihood of losing the muscle mass you worked so hard to gain and storing belly fat on top of that situation, all while hindering your efforts to get your testosterone levels back to normal levels. Working more and harder is going to have the opposite effect right now as it would any other time.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Do you typically do this after the whirlpool? The whirlpool and or wet sauna are known for temporarily spiking the BP. Even with that jump that is not alarming at all and not dangerous at that level. A lot of doctors would not even talk to you about treatment with those levels. They may mention them but not try to put you on a medication. Definitely not high enough to worry about on cycle for a temporary period.
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No, I generally do this pre whirlpool. I know it is not a huge spike, just saying it is an elevation and as such would give me pause to adding a PH to the mix along with the N2Burn. The two factors' cumulative impact so to speak.
 
taman6886 said:
No, I generally do this pre whirlpool. I know it is not a huge spike, just saying it is an elevation and as such would give me pause to adding a PH to the mix along with the N2Burn. The two factors' cumulative impact so to speak.
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so you thinking you gonna run Epi IF you run somethign towards the end?
 
Man most of you guys do way more volume than I would ever do, if I am doing something like that I would just go the 5 sets something like 5/5/5/8/12 on compound movements though. I do a 2 day split and day 3 is a mirror of day 1 with less volume like 8/8/12... This tears me apart though, my joints can only handle 4 weeks... Might be what I do leading up to the Xmas break where I have time to recover...
 
Day 2 wk 4 (MC 6) Deload
5-5:30 pm

Deads (5's) 165, 205, 245

Wide Grip PD @ 90 4x10

V bar rows @ 110 3x12

Wtd Back extensions @40 3x12

Hanging Leg Raise 3x15 (bent knee)

Finished up with 24 minutes on stationary bike steady state cardio 135 cals. This was supposed to be variable resistance but got a cramp in my left calf at around 14 minutes at max resist. Worked it out, backed off a bit on the resistance and did another 10 minutes.

Dietary for today :2284 cals (89 carbs, 221 protein [plus 18g bcaa], 113 fats) with an estimated burn of 3678 for a deficit of 1395. If you haven't noted Jeff, I am tightening up the diet a bit. Better step up son :)

On another note, anyone heard hide or hair from Meister?
 
taman6886 said:
Day 2 wk 4 (MC 6) Deload
5-5:30 pm

Deads (5's) 165, 205, 245

Wide Grip PD @ 90 4x10

V bar rows @ 110 3x12

Wtd Back extensions @40 3x12

Hanging Leg Raise 3x15 (bent knee)

Finished up with 24 minutes on stationary bike steady state cardio 135 cals. This was supposed to be variable resistance but got a cramp in my left calf at around 14 minutes at max resist. Worked it out, backed off a bit on the resistance and did another 10 minutes.

Dietary for today :2284 cals (89 carbs, 221 protein [plus 18g bcaa], 113 fats) with an estimated burn of 3678 for a deficit of 1395. If you haven't noted Jeff, I am tightening up the diet a bit. Better step up son :)

On another note, anyone heard hide or hair from Meister?
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Nice update.. On a side note Meister has been dealing with some family stuff. He has been on here very little lately. From what I have gathered he is doing ok.
 
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